That's great and all, but I'm not about to spend $1000+ on a TV when a cheaper one works just fine.
as others have said they aren't and it isn't
Unless you are talking Australian prices but even then (with everything having a huge shipping cost attached) you can buy a 32" 1080p Samsung for about $900AU and a non full HD one for $600AU. Last year, when I got mine, a similar bunch of 1080p screens were going for $1300AU and the non full HD ones were going for $900. The year before it was ~$1700 and $1300.
Ok, so part of that has been the Aussie dollar going from $0.60US to $0.90US over the last year but the point remains. These screens aren't really that expensive and if your old screen breaks you are going to HAVE to buy a LCD or Plasma because you literally can't buy CRTs anymore. Excluding the occasional 15" curved CRT + VCR combo thing that has been sitting in the shop since 1999.
@romulux, I'm sorry, I misread it. @Hoffkage, yeah it's sometimes not nice to look at and I'm even worried that I'm the only one who have problems with it. But you get used to it and I have to follow Sean's tip about a DVD to fine tune your lcd tv.
Im interested in that fine tuning...
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Just don't try to play Twilight Princess on a hdtv cause that's a horrible experience, that game is prettier on a sdtv.
are you sure you had it set up right? because that game seemed to be one of the best i saw in 480p. the relentless bloom lighting gives it a soft, blurry quality that the sharpness of 480p counteracts a little, so if you like that weak focus then i guess SD may look better to you. i thought that 480p gave just the right balance of crisp edges while still having a soft glow on everything.
even in a game with simple visuals the improvement is surprising. is it odd to hope that the next nintendo system will upscale our 'old' wii games as well as the computer program created by some college dropouts in their free time currently does?
I saw no improvement in those pictures other than the colour looks a little better (to me). The ones above^^
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the forum doesn't allow the full size of the pictures to be displayed within the post. copy and paste the link or right click and open in a new tab to see the actual size; if you still can't tell the difference, you need a new monitor
I saw no improvement in those pictures other than the colour looks a little better (to me). The ones above^^
The biggest difference is the jaggy edges are in the 480p. If you look at the hills in particular, you'll see in the 480p version they are jagged, but in the 720p, it is more fluid lines.
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Gosh, so this big revelation you had was because you finally decided to hook up your Wii using Component cables? What are you trying to argue? I also updated my TV a while after getting a Wii, and it looks worlds better in 480p; great. thats what it's made for so if you got a TV with component connections do the right thing and hook it up right. I don't see how this is some compelling argument for needing an HD Wii, though. Thats a different story entirely. If you've got it hooked up properly to a big HD TV you WILL see all the intended artistic touches added by the designers, nothing is lost in the current games by it not being displayed in 1080. Sure there is a little smoothing of jaggys (on those odd Mario screens in 1080) if you look close, but as we've mostly agreed the basic fidelity of graphics is not what Wii fans care about (for now). It'll be great to have once there is a new system in a year or two, and of course they'll upgrade it for the next system, but to simply up-res it now is unneccasary. I don't really understand what is being discussed besides people exclaiming either "Gosh it looks great on my big HDTV with Component!" or "Gosh, I can't afford a TV like that, and I don't want a tiny one for 300 bucks!"
the initial point was that the wii looks surprisingly good in 480p and i was impressed enough to post about it. if anything, it made me feel like a wii HD was actually less necessary since the games looked amazing enough already. the 720p emulator stuff wasn't intended as an argument for an HD wii, just showing what these games are capable of looking like if you take the resolution a little bit further.
i disagree with you when you say nothing is lost in 480p- look at the stained glass window of peach above the castle doors in those pictures, the M on mario's hat, the twinkle of light in the goomba's eyes (as well as both the pupil and iris in mario's eyes); these details are clear in the HD photos but totally jaggied out of existence in 480p. almost every small detail developers put into their games suffers the same fate in SD. it doesn't really matter for mario, but there are some games (metroid, muramasa) that put an emphasis on the amount of detail in the environments. in games like that where you're studying every inch of the screen, the visuals play a very big role in the amount of immersion you have.
does that mean i want an HD updated wii? no. i just bought my wii and don't even have an HDTV yet. i just think it's good to know what your games are capable of looking like and to understand what it is the wii is sacrificing by being an SD system. i absolutely do hope the next nintendo will be able to upscale these games the way the dolphin emulator has, so if anything it's just wishful thinking about whether we'll ever get to see these games looking as good as they do in the emulator shots.
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