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Topic: How is Skyward Sword a Prequel to Ocarina of Time?

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KaiserGX

Btw this one should show whats up.
Kotaku: Each Zelda game seems like a new iteration in the same theme. There is always sort of that hallmark back to there was a previous light sword bearer in ages past. Should we just accept every time that Zelda is a reimagining of the same theme? Is it sort of assumed that every thousand years this same thing is happening over again?

Eiji Aonuma: It's certainly not the same story being told over and over again. It's not that we have a one thousand year time span between every game or anything like that.

When creating a Zelda game there is the connection between Link and Zelda and the Triforce and Ganon. When we get set to make a new Zelda game, we are focusing on the theme of the game and the game play rather than to create a new timeline for the series.

Kotaku: So it's basically a reimagiining of the same story line?

Eiji Aonuma: No, not so much.

It actually really comes back to the mythology of the land of Hyrule. There is a Triforce and each segment is tied to a different (Long explanation of the Triforce and Zelda mythos.) It is in a sense events recurring overtime.

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shingi_70

Viewtiful_Joe wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

Viewtiful_Joe wrote:

Unless Miyamoto releases the storyline, your opinion is irrelevant.

Well Anouma has given the timeline placment many of times. Miyamoto has only really said that Before Skyward Sword OOT was the first story in the game. He has also said that most plotting and scenario writing is done by anouma.

Um... okay. Can I see it?

The interviews?

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Timeline_Quotes

Here are the quotes and the reference page shows alink to the interviews in question.

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childofacid

I never bothered to try and put the old games and some of the portal games into a fixed timeline. The major console tittles after Ocarina of Time though all seem to connect in some way into a timeline.

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Chrono_Cross

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Chrono_Cross

Yeah I have no idea why it wont load. But even if it did I'd just be beating a dead horse.

That didn't full on explain every thing I'm curious about... Especially when I read one that says:

Shigeru Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

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Chrono_Cross

Hmmm, I can tell. But yeah I'm not going to keep debating. So you guys have fun talking about how SS is a prequel!

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LordTendoboy

shingi_70 wrote:

Expect The Legend of Zelda is based on the oral tradition of storytelling. Having a screwed up timeline makes in unintentionally meta and charming.

Call of Duty on the other hand... Two many plotholes for me. If I wanted to play a Military shooter with a decent story I'd be playing a Tom Clancy game or reading a book.

You complain about plotholes in Call of Duty, yet that's the reason people complain about the Zelda series.

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tendoboy1984 wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

Expect The Legend of Zelda is based on the oral tradition of storytelling. Having a screwed up timeline makes in unintentionally meta and charming.

Call of Duty on the other hand... Two many plotholes for me. If I wanted to play a Military shooter with a decent story I'd be playing a Tom Clancy game or reading a book.

You complain about plotholes in Call of Duty, yet that's the reason people complain about the Zelda series.

Again there's a difference in something that's supposed to be a legend told dowm compared to something that's supposed to take place in reality.

Could you give me some of these plotholes?

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Usagi-san

shingi_70 wrote:

Expect The Legend of Zelda is based on the oral tradition of storytelling. Having a screwed up timeline makes in unintentionally meta and charming.

My brother has compared the inconsistent storyline to legends more than once too. I'd compare it to Arthurian tales, A link to the past is to Ocarina of time what "le Chevalier as deus epees" is to the Balin sections in the post-vulgate Merlin continuation and Le morte d'Arthur. They have similar elements but are differant stories (admittedly I haven't read "Le Chevalier as deus Epees" though).

It's a pity it's not intentional because it would certainly make an interesting concept. I wonder when we'll get an official timeline document so that fans can stop scratching their heads over which game goes where.

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JGMR

It's very confusing. LOL.

First it was decided that Ocarina Of Time was chronologically the first game (because of Link's age), then Skyward Sword became the game prior to it's events....

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KaiserGX

Yeah OOT was originally going to be the Imprisoning War from LTTP that's why it's so similar but things changed and they used Four Swords Adventures to retcon it. Originally FSA was going to have more to do with it but Miyamoto demanded they take off several plot elements because of the complexity of the story.

But to be fair the side of the timeline LTTP is on, the events in OOT never happened.

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JGMR

After completing Skyward Sword, it's direct relationship with Ocarina Of Time became clear. I will not spoil things here, it's too precious to be wasted...

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zezhyrule

I was reading an Iwata Asks today, and I came across this quote -

Iwata: When you make a Zelda game, how do you think about the story?

Miyamoto: The stories in The Legend of Zelda may not match up as the series progresses. We actually expend a lot of time trying to make them match up, though. It would make things a lot easier if the players said, "Oh, that doesn't really matter." (laughs)

I guess Miyamoto likes people like me

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Cool find zez. =)

Before Twilight Princess I never even heard of nor contemplated a timeline for Zelda games. I was like "waaaat!?" I think its great that they are trying to make it a huge cohesive entity though. Skyward Sword seems to be a huge tribute to the timeline fanatics. I never got into it but this game really makes me want to learn more about the theories floating around out there.

I had a huge fangasm when I saw Levia.

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BulbasaurusRex

KaiserGX wrote:

Wind Waker and Twilight Princess confirm the split. TP Ganondorf doesn't seem to recognize the Master Sword because none of what happened in the adult OOT timeline happened and he is more cocky because this is truly the first time he gets to use the power that he thinks the gods gave him. While WW Ganondorf already lived trough all of that and has matured. I don't know what your trying to say near the end. At the end of OOT he still had his Triforce piece when he was sealed. Then at the end of Wind Waker everyone lost their pieces because the Triforce united. He was able to be killed because he was no longer in possession of it. Ganondorf never died twice in the same timeline.

But I don't know what Wind Waker Ganondorf has to do with the Four Swords reincarnation. FSA is on the Twilight Princess side of the Timeline.

Ganondorf Quote from Twilight Princess
"An impressive looking blade, but nothing more"

In Wind Waker he knows all about the Master Sword and Link.

(from now on when I say Ganon I am referring to the one with the Trident) Ganon in LTTP is able to get the whole Triforce, as well as the Triforce of Power. He never transforms back into a Gerudo.

You're missing the point. That reason for why Hyrule was flooded in Wind Waker is just speculation based on the split timeline theory, isn't it? My theory is that Wind Waker is NOT a direct follow-up to Ocarina of Time. Instead, it would take place sometime after Link's Awakenking with Ganondorf using his FSA reincarnated body after somehow managing to reverse the transformation caused by the Trident of Power (which he could've just not bothered doing in Link to the Past).

Is there anything in Wind Waker's story that directly confirms that it was the Ocarina of Time seal that Ganondorf escaped to cause the Wind Waker flood?

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BulbasaurusRex wrote:

KaiserGX wrote:

Wind Waker and Twilight Princess confirm the split. TP Ganondorf doesn't seem to recognize the Master Sword because none of what happened in the adult OOT timeline happened and he is more cocky because this is truly the first time he gets to use the power that he thinks the gods gave him. While WW Ganondorf already lived trough all of that and has matured. I don't know what your trying to say near the end. At the end of OOT he still had his Triforce piece when he was sealed. Then at the end of Wind Waker everyone lost their pieces because the Triforce united. He was able to be killed because he was no longer in possession of it. Ganondorf never died twice in the same timeline.

But I don't know what Wind Waker Ganondorf has to do with the Four Swords reincarnation. FSA is on the Twilight Princess side of the Timeline.

Ganondorf Quote from Twilight Princess
"An impressive looking blade, but nothing more"

In Wind Waker he knows all about the Master Sword and Link.

(from now on when I say Ganon I am referring to the one with the Trident) Ganon in LTTP is able to get the whole Triforce, as well as the Triforce of Power. He never transforms back into a Gerudo.

You're missing the point. That reason for why Hyrule was flooded in Wind Waker is just speculation based on the split timeline theory, isn't it? My theory is that Wind Waker is NOT a direct follow-up to Ocarina of Time. Instead, it would take place sometime after Link's Awakenking with Ganondorf using his FSA reincarnated body after somehow managing to reverse the transformation caused by the Trident of Power (which he could've just not bothered doing in Link to the Past).

Is there anything in Wind Waker's story that directly confirms that it was the Ocarina of Time seal that Ganondorf escaped to cause the Wind Waker flood?

Well there's the pictures of the six sages from OoT in the room where you get the Master Sword, that speaks for itself, also, the FSA reincarnated Ganon was PERMANENTLY mutated into beast form, while Wind Waker Ganondorf stayed in his humanoid form all game, also consider the original two NES Zelda games, where he was ALSO in pig beast form, I just don't see how something like you're suggesting could work out at all

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