The reviews on metacritic aren't generally just reviews of what the improvements are to an old game. They are generally of a game itself. It's the same thing for virtual console games. WWHD scored well on Metacritic because WW is a great game. If WW sucked, but the remake looked beautiful, with a handful of streamlined elements, it would still get bad reviews.
The WWHD bundle went live simultaneously with a 50 dollar price cut. It also came with a Zelda themed gamepad. Obviously it was going to do well in that sort of condition. Anyway, there were people who didn't play Wind Waker on the GC, and a heavily advertised remaster will catch those people's attention more than a VC re-release. Anyway, if I included WWHD, that would also give me reason to include OoT Master Quest for GC.
Are you honestly trying to argue that an HD remaster of a game that I can go and replay on the original console right now is more significant than a new widely enjoyed game that sold nearly 4 million units? Just because YOU don't like mini-game collections that had broad appeal doesn't mean they suddenly don't count.
For the record — and clearly my singular experience is not representative of all consumers — I have the GCN version of Wind Waker and I also have the HD Wii U version. I find it more than just a shiny new coat of paint. There are enough gameplay changes that I feel it was worth it.
To clarify, I didn't buy it: I got it for free for registering my MK8 game, but I had the choice of WWHD or Pikmin 3 and I chose WWHD, because I thought it would be a better purchase for me. I don't regret it. I don't think I would go back and play it for the GCN again, although I will always keep my GCN copy for nostalgia's sake.
To summarize, I disagree with you. I think Wind Waker HD is a full-fledged game that deserves recognition.
I'll add one more point to argue my stance:
How many millions of copies would Sony and Square-Enix sell of a Final Fantasy VII HD remake? Same game, with maybe a few tweaks, but in HD graphics? The gaming community has clamored for years about wanting this to happen. You don't think that would be a system-seller? You don't think that would move PS4s? Yes, yes it would. Hell, that would really tempt me to get one.
Imagine now an Ocarina of Time HD remake? A real one. Not like the OoT3D, but a fully remade version, with an updated engine, tweaks to the gameplay (while remaining true to the original) and fully 1080p HD graphics? You don't think that would sell? You don't think people would buy Wii Us left and right for that game? You don't think it'd sell millions? It would.
How many millions of copies would Sony and Square-Enix sell of a Final Fantasy VII HD remake?
Less than 3 million. I'm sure of it. Better than the FFX/X-2 remaster, but nowhere near as well as the original.
People like to act like loud internet commentators are a mirror to actual consumer interest, but this is just not true at all. If you asked the internet, Call of Duty is worse than Hitler, and yet it earns Activision billions of dollars every year. Going onto a site like NeoGAF is bizarre. It's like a portal to another dimension. The love for the Wii U there is, believe it or not, huge. You look at lists of best games in 2014, it's all Wii U games. Best publishers, almost everyone in the thread says Nintendo. "Should I buy a Wii U?" 10 pages of people saying yes. If you didn't know any better, you would think it had sold 20 million by now, and yet, it's now in dead last for 8th gen consoles.
It's the Dreamcast of today. Hell, people are still on about how the Dreamcast was the best console ever to this day. That didn't stop it from being the final nail in the coffin for Sega as a console manufacturer.
The OoT remake on 3DS has sold better than A Link Between Worlds so that's not necessarily true. The amount of units they ultimately sell compared to the originals also depends on what sort of install base the platform has compared to the original platform and when it launches. There are also things like how old the game is, how good the port is and how many people actually played the original. However none of that actually changes whether or not it could be argued that the port was something everyone who owns the system should look into.
Also the fact that sales don't reflect the enthusiast opinion doesn't necessarily make the enthusiast "wrong". Popular opinion is frequently not the best measure of what is good. For example on Rate Your Music where the music enthusiast opinion wins out the top albums for this year is a fairly difficult album by Swans. Wander over to Spotify and the top album is by One Direction. I recognise that everyone's tastes are different and that the guys who are behind One Direction are swimming in buckets of cash. I'm sure for someone One Direction does something that I don't "get". However that doesn't make me wrong for saying Rate Your Music is probably a better judge of what I should look into
How many millions of copies would Sony and Square-Enix sell of a Final Fantasy VII HD remake?
Less than 3 million. I'm sure of it. Better than the FFX/X-2 remaster, but nowhere near as well as the original.
People like to act like loud internet commentators are a mirror to actual consumer interest, but this is just not true at all. If you asked the internet, Call of Duty is worse than Hitler, and yet it earns Activision billions of dollars every year. Going onto a site like NeoGAF is bizarre. It's like a portal to another dimension. The love for the Wii U there is, believe it or not, huge. You look at lists of best games in 2014, it's all Wii U games. Best publishers, almost everyone in the thread says Nintendo. "Should I buy a Wii U?" 10 pages of people saying yes. If you didn't know any better, you would think it had sold 20 million by now, and yet, it's now in dead last for 8th gen consoles.
I'm not sure how to respond to this. I don't frequent many video game websites, so I can't speak about what the gaming community in sites like NeoGAF or Reddit say or don't say in the message boards/fora. I can tell you that in the last 6-8 years I have heard a lot of clamoring, both online and in real life, about gamers wanting a Final Fantasy 7 HD remake. Guessing from how much a fan favorite that game is (Tifa, Cloud and Sephiroth cosplay is still very popular, even today), it would sell fairly well.
I just can't agree with the less than 3 million figure.
About one million. Give or take, about as well as Wind Waker HD. Remakes don't sell as well as you think they do.
I think it matters entirely on what remake is done. If you remake Twilight Princess in HD it probably wouldn't sell as much as a fully remastered Ocarina of Time. Why? Because OoT is widely believed to be the greatest video game ever created. Twilight Princess is not. The same for FF VII. It is widely considered one of the top video games in the history of video games.
If the GCN version of Resident Evil REmake sold ~ 1 million, you don't think an Ocarina of Time HD remake would sell more? At least double. I don't think ALL remakes sell well, nor do I think ALL games are worth remaking, but if it is the right game, and it is done right, I believe that they could be huge sellers, even moving consoles by themselves.
Ocarina of Time was already remade for 3DS. Give a rest; It's a one trick pony. Keep remaking the same game time after time and you'll wane out the public interest in it.
Also that 3 million for FF VII remake is probably accurate. And before someone mentions it, Shenmue would flop in today's market. Anything Earthbound would be no more than a modest success at best. Don't get me started on Okami... The games the Web clamours for, are not the games the market buys. Sorry to burst the bubble, mate.
And it's not even widely considered the best Zelda game, let alone the best videogame ever. Link to the Past sees just as much love as Ocarina does. And a healthy minority of Zelda fans swear by games like the original and Link's Awakening, to name two that often pop up when people discuss what their favorite Zelda is.
And it's not even widely considered the best Zelda game, let alone the best videogame ever. Link to the Past sees just as much love as Ocarina does. And a healthy minority of Zelda fans swear by games like the original and Link's Awakening, to name two that often pop up when people discuss what their favorite Zelda is.
You know, I don't want to see another Ocarina of Time remake. Frankly between OoT 3D, WW HD and MM 3D they've done every single one I would say was worth remaking at this point. The Wii ones maybe later but I'm not quite sure it has been long enough. The old 2D ones I love, particularly Link's Awakening which I'd say is one of the greatest games ever made, but I don't think remaking them is worth the time. A Link Between Worlds is how those games should be approached. When people say what their "favourite games ever" were they're not taking into account what games they'd actually go back and play.
I mean really, go back and play some of those 2D Zeldas. Link's Awakening is a bit different because it's small, short and full of charm but some of the others? In the "modern Zeldas" you know what direction you have to go next and you can pick it up after putting it down for a bit and instantly understand where you are. A lot of those 2D Zeldas it's flat, clunky and confusing by comparison. I love Zelda but even I barely have enough patience for that. Ocarina of Time I can play and it'll have me from the start but also be the best game I played that week. If I fire up A Link to the Past? I'll get five hours in and then look at my game library and wonder why I'm playing it rather than something newer.
Games like Super Mario World and Super Metroid still hold up because they're short enough to keep your interest. The 3D Zeldas? They're still good and they don't have me wondering why I'm playing it. There aren't many games, even brand new ones, that do a better job of it. By comparison the old 2D Zeldas and a lot of the old, long 2D games in general.... I don't have time for that. Sorry.
And it's not even widely considered the best Zelda game, let alone the best videogame ever. Link to the Past sees just as much love as Ocarina does. And a healthy minority of Zelda fans swear by games like the original and Link's Awakening, to name two that often pop up when people discuss what their favorite Zelda is.
Well, not to be argumentative, but being that it's ranked the best game ever by Metacritic and second only to Galaxy (what brain-dead person rated Galaxy above OoT) on Gamerankings, I'd say most people disagree with you.
But whatever, I agree that they just did it and it shouldn't be redone right now. That's not even the argument. The whole point was that the one guy said a remake doesn't count as a "notable game", Skywake disagreed with him, and so did I.
(raises glass) Here's to hopes for a better future for the Wii U. With Super Smash Bros. for Wii U recently released and the success of Mario Kart 8, I wouldn't doubt that prospect.
Recently I've been playing Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz HD, Link's Awakening, and Luigi's Mansion 3. Also replaying Rayman Legends and trying to get better at Smash Ultimate
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