Well, "mainstream" is kinda bad too, because most of us play mainstream games too.
I play Mario Kart , Batman Arkham, Need for Speed and Resident Evil games...those are pretty mainstream and certainly not niche titles. Maybe Medium-casual is bad too...guess we need a new name for it, because there is a definite difference between a pure casual, and the target demographic gamer who sticks to a few key major franchises but spends good money on new games and new gaming tech each year.
I think gaming media are partially to blame for some of the negative impressions that the medium-casual gamer may display toward the Wii U and Nintendo in general.
What do I mean by medium-casual?
Well...those would be primarily typical "casuals" but those within the prime demographic that game companies tend to target. They have enough time and disposable income to spend on new mass market entertainment. If you look at the blockbuster movies and "AAA" games, that would be the 9-18 year old male demographic, but it can fluctuate older and younger depending on circumstance.
They aren't the true gaming geeks who know gaming history and have at one time played a rare imported game or fan translated ROM...They don't play games outside a small comfort zone of genre and visual style, but they do spend good money on a small number of big budget, heavily advertised games marketed toward a sort of juvenile fantasy fulfillment. They are not the pure casual who plays .99 apps on their smartphones, or bought a Wii and only played Wii Sports before using it only as a Netflix player.
Now....having gotten that lengthy explanation out of the way, back to my original point...
The Gaming media tend to create a double standard and push "memes" and ideas through their articles and websites that target Nintendo. Let's take the very topic of the original post on this massive thread: -Game Droughts-. Third party support or not, the gaming media has been very quick to point out any period of a month or more when Nintendo doesn't have big retail releases.
This is not so for other console manufacturers. Sure the "fanboys" and defenders are quick to point out to "ponys and xbots" when their competitor isn't releasing a big name title, but game "journalists" just don't do it...It may have something to do with the amount of advertising Microsoft and Sony do on the big websites that create these memes and ideas, or it could be that gaming websites look to cater to the more juvenile tastes of the "fanboy" types by offering an easy target in family friendly Nintendo, while not trying to upset their delicate natures by attracting too much attention to the shortcomings of the brand they have pledged loyalty to.
Let me just pause here with the per-requisite disclaimers lest I be judged a "fanboy" or "Nintendrone"...I'm not judging people who prefer other console brands, or the Sony and Microsoft consoles themselves. I'm speaking specifically about the medium-casual demographic who engage in "console war" forum battles and spend an inordinate amount of time posting reasons why they hate other consoles that they never intend to buy. I'm also required to point out that some Nintendo fans can be obnoxious and negative out of misplaced brand loyalty as well, it's just that you don't see it as much for whatever reason.
It's not just the "game droughts"...Nintendo gets trashed for game delays when the products they release end up being well polished and with far fewer glitches then what we recognize as the industry standard. When other major publishers delay games, the gaming media reminds us it's to make the game better and add finishing touches...but for Nintendo it's a conspiracy to space out their releases or because they don't have their act together.
Let's not even start on the whole sequels/remake/rehash debate. That debate is so ludicrously skewed against Nintendo that it elicits eye rolls and frustrated sighs. The entire industry is stuck in safe sequel/remake/rehash/copycat mode. No one should get a pass in 2014.
It's important to note that this very mentality that I've described generates "controversy" and controversy converts into clicks and page traffic. So it's not like these game "journalists" and websites are doing this because they are big mean jerks who just hate Nintendo. In all likelihood these game "journalists" like Nintendo games...look at the scores their first party games receive as evidence...but the nature of the business and the nature of the most vocal fans who their advertisers are targeting lead them down the easy path of spreading the all too familiar "Nintendoom".
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Well, "mainstream" is kinda bad too, because most of us play mainstream games too.
I play Mario Kart , Batman Arkham, Need for Speed and Resident Evil games...those are pretty mainstream and certainly not niche titles. Maybe Medium-casual is bad too...guess we need a new name for it, because there is a definite difference between a pure casual, and the target demographic gamer who sticks to a few key major franchises but spends good money on new games and new gaming tech each year.
I don't think it really matters if the enthusiast/core/hardcore gamer plays mainstream or casual games for these types of discussions. We play them yes, but we're still the minority of the consumer base, the biggest chunk of "everyone" is the mainstream average Joe. Pokemon is definitely mainstream, its aimed primarily at younger players, but it still has a definite hardcore following as well. Not everything about it is aimed at every part of its collective fanbase. As long as we know the who, what, and why there shouldn't be any confusion.
The problem is not a lot of mainstream consumers pay attention to gaming news, except maybe for popular outlets like IGN, Youtube, Twitter, or mainstream media. The impact their click-bait has shouldn't be this big.
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Almost as much thought as some of the people who tirelessly troll forums and message boards to attack a console they have no intention of buying, and the existence of which has no bearing on the enjoyment of the entertainment products they prefer.
Better to put thought into something you care about then endless negativity, don't you think?
Also, there is 16 pages of people posting stuff just as long and involved as my post that you don't use the "dismiss it like you're above it" tactic on...but you take it upon yourself to call out my post...which kind of proves my point about the double standards.
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Almost as much thought as some of the people who tirelessly troll forums and message boards to attack a console they have no intention of buying, and the existence of which has no bearing on the enjoyment of the entertainment products they prefer.
Better to put thought into something you care about then endless negativity, don't you think?
Also, there is 16 pages of people posting stuff just as long and involved as my post that you don't use the "dismiss it like you're above it" tactic on...but you take it upon yourself to call out my post...which kind of proves my point about the double standards.
Sorry, wasn't meant to be a personal attack against you. I guess sometimes I forget how things were before I had a wife, two kids and a full time job. Now with the very limited time I have to play games, I'd rather be playing them than analyzing what other gamers think. But nothing wrong with doing that, back in the day I'd be right their with you
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Almost as much thought as some of the people who tirelessly troll forums and message boards to attack a console they have no intention of buying, and the existence of which has no bearing on the enjoyment of the entertainment products they prefer.
Better to put thought into something you care about then endless negativity, don't you think?
Also, there is 16 pages of people posting stuff just as long and involved as my post that you don't use the "dismiss it like you're above it" tactic on...but you take it upon yourself to call out my post...which kind of proves my point about the double standards.
Sorry, wasn't meant to be a personal attack against you. I guess sometimes I forget how things were before I had a wife, two kids and a full time job. Now with the very limited time I have to play games, I'd rather be playing them than analyzing what other gamers think. But nothing wrong with doing that, back in the day I'd be right their with you
And yet you find the time to read and post on this forum... Comes off a bit condescending and hypocritical, jus sayin.
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Almost as much thought as some of the people who tirelessly troll forums and message boards to attack a console they have no intention of buying, and the existence of which has no bearing on the enjoyment of the entertainment products they prefer.
Better to put thought into something you care about then endless negativity, don't you think?
Also, there is 16 pages of people posting stuff just as long and involved as my post that you don't use the "dismiss it like you're above it" tactic on...but you take it upon yourself to call out my post...which kind of proves my point about the double standards.
Sorry, wasn't meant to be a personal attack against you. I guess sometimes I forget how things were before I had a wife, two kids and a full time job. Now with the very limited time I have to play games, I'd rather be playing them than analyzing what other gamers think. But nothing wrong with doing that, back in the day I'd be right their with you
And yet you find the time to read and post on this forum... Comes off a bit condescending and hypocritical, jus sayin.
I've been reading and posting on this forum since 2008. I don't feel I am being condescending and hypocritical, but if I came off that way I already apologized. I can share some wisdom I have learned over the years, though. And this is not me being condescending, just friendly advice. What does it really matter what other people think about Nintendo? Odds are, no matter what you say on a forum, you aren't going to change anybody's mind. Just like you have an opinion that the Wii U is the best console, there are others that feel the same about the Xbox One or PS4. Just play the games you want to play and have fun.
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Almost as much thought as some of the people who tirelessly troll forums and message boards to attack a console they have no intention of buying, and the existence of which has no bearing on the enjoyment of the entertainment products they prefer.
Better to put thought into something you care about then endless negativity, don't you think?
Also, there is 16 pages of people posting stuff just as long and involved as my post that you don't use the "dismiss it like you're above it" tactic on...but you take it upon yourself to call out my post...which kind of proves my point about the double standards.
Sorry, wasn't meant to be a personal attack against you. I guess sometimes I forget how things were before I had a wife, two kids and a full time job. Now with the very limited time I have to play games, I'd rather be playing them than analyzing what other gamers think. But nothing wrong with doing that, back in the day I'd be right their with you
And yet you find the time to read and post on this forum... Comes off a bit condescending and hypocritical, jus sayin.
I've been reading and posting on this forum since 2008. I don't feel I am being condescending and hypocritical, but if I came off that way I already apologized. I can share some wisdom I have learned over the years, though. And this is not me being condescending, just friendly advice. What does it really matter what other people think about Nintendo? Odds are, no matter what you say on a forum, you aren't going to change anybody's mind. Just like you have an opinion that the Wii U is the best console, there are others that feel the same about the Xbox One or PS4. Just play the games you want to play and have fun.
You're right, doling out unsolicited advice isn't condescending at all. If you have no interest in other people's opinions or sentiments why even bother visiting this forum and posting then?
"Just like you have an opinion that the Wii U is the best console..." No one in this thread has said that, so who are you even giving advice to?
I can't help but feel that you are putting WAY too much thought into this...
Almost as much thought as some of the people who tirelessly troll forums and message boards to attack a console they have no intention of buying, and the existence of which has no bearing on the enjoyment of the entertainment products they prefer.
Better to put thought into something you care about then endless negativity, don't you think?
Also, there is 16 pages of people posting stuff just as long and involved as my post that you don't use the "dismiss it like you're above it" tactic on...but you take it upon yourself to call out my post...which kind of proves my point about the double standards.
Sorry, wasn't meant to be a personal attack against you. I guess sometimes I forget how things were before I had a wife, two kids and a full time job. Now with the very limited time I have to play games, I'd rather be playing them than analyzing what other gamers think. But nothing wrong with doing that, back in the day I'd be right their with you
And yet you find the time to read and post on this forum... Comes off a bit condescending and hypocritical, jus sayin.
I've been reading and posting on this forum since 2008. I don't feel I am being condescending and hypocritical, but if I came off that way I already apologized. I can share some wisdom I have learned over the years, though. And this is not me being condescending, just friendly advice. What does it really matter what other people think about Nintendo? Odds are, no matter what you say on a forum, you aren't going to change anybody's mind. Just like you have an opinion that the Wii U is the best console, there are others that feel the same about the Xbox One or PS4. Just play the games you want to play and have fun.
You're right, doling out unsolicited advice isn't condescending at all. If you have no interest in other people's opinions or sentiments why even bother visiting this forum and posting then?
"Just like you have an opinion that the Wii U is the best console..." No one in this thread has said that, so who are you even giving advice to?
Thanks for stopping by.
Lol, ok Gage. I guess after reading Action51's post I should assume he's an Xbox One fan. In all seriousness, my whole point was "ignore and don't stress about the haters." Video games are meant to be fun. If you feel that message is condescending then I'm sorry.
And thanks Waveboy. Your radical posts are part of what keep me posting here 5 ttimes a year lol
In all seriousness, my whole point was "ignore and don't stress about the haters."
Well, I'm pretty sure your point was to dismiss my posts by making a snarky little comment about me. Now here we are talking about you and not the topic of the thread.
I could have said the same thing about "putting WAY too much thought into this" to all the other posters on the 16 (now 17) pages of responses prior to my chiming in, but I chose to discuss the topic instead...which is weird on a forum, right?
In all seriousness, my whole point was "ignore and don't stress about the haters."
Well, I'm pretty sure your point was to dismiss my posts by making a snarky little comment about me. Now here we are talking about you and not the topic of the thread.
I could have said the same thing about "putting WAY too much thought into this" to all the other posters on the 16 (now 17) pages of responses prior to my chiming in, but I chose to discuss the topic instead...which is weird on a forum, right?
Discussing the topic...so last year!
Well, technically the topic is "the depressing state of the Wii U release schedule" and you were discussing the creation of a new term "medium-casual" and double standards in the game media, etc. Although in fairness you did discuss "game droughts" in a small part of your wall of text.
Look, it was a snarky comment that I made, but it wasn't meant in malice. I suppose I should have put a smiley face after it or something. I'm sorry. Anyways, moving on to the topic: I have enough Wii, VC, and WiiWare games to probably last twenty years, so when I eventually get my Wii U (shouldn't be too much longer) the droughts won't affect me much. Plus now I have all the launch Wii U games to catch up on
In all seriousness, my whole point was "ignore and don't stress about the haters."
Well, I'm pretty sure your point was to dismiss my posts by making a snarky little comment about me. Now here we are talking about you and not the topic of the thread.
I could have said the same thing about "putting WAY too much thought into this" to all the other posters on the 16 (now 17) pages of responses prior to my chiming in, but I chose to discuss the topic instead...which is weird on a forum, right?
Discussing the topic...so last year!
Well, technically the topic is "the depressing state of the Wii U schedule" and you were discussing the creation of a new term "medium-casual" and double standards in the game media, etc. Although in fairness you did discuss "game droughts" in a small part of your wall of text.
Look, it was a snarky comment that I made, but it wasn't meant in malice. I suppose I should have put a smiley face after it or something. I'm sorry. Anyways, moving on to th topic: I have enough Wii, VC, and WiiWare games to probably last twenty years, so when I eventually get my Wii U (shouldn't be too much longer) the droughts won't affect me much. Plus now I have all the launch Wii U games to catch up on
you are now my second favorite poster only after MAB.
Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Nintendo put themselves in this position. They pushed the Gamepad as something revolutionary and did very little with it so far aside from off-TV play and Nintendo Land/Game and Wario
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Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Because that's how Nintendo sold it to us. Gamepad! Gamepad! Gamepad! Watch the E3 reveal again:
Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Nintendo put themselves in this position. They pushed the Gamepad as something revolutionary and did very little with it so far aside from off-TV play and Nintendo Land/Game and Wario
Microsoft and Playstation did the exact same with the Move and Kinect, yet they weren't raked over the coals for it.
Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Nintendo put themselves in this position. They pushed the Gamepad as something revolutionary and did very little with it so far aside from off-TV play and Nintendo Land/Game and Wario
Microsoft and Playstation did the exact same with the Move and Kinect, yet they weren't raked over the coals for it.
They didn't make the entire console revolve around them. Nintendo has made the entire console revolve around it.
Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Nintendo put themselves in this position. They pushed the Gamepad as something revolutionary and did very little with it so far aside from off-TV play and Nintendo Land/Game and Wario
Microsoft and Playstation did the exact same with the Move and Kinect, yet they weren't raked over the coals for it.
PS Move and 360 Kinect aren't required. They are optional purchases, so therefore the systems themselves aren't measured by how well these peripherals are utilized. I own a PS3 and do not own a PS Move, so if PS Move games stopped being released it's no sweat off my back. The gamepad is required to use a Wii U, therefore it's going to be much more focused on and criticized alongside the console itself. (copied and pasted from my response a few pages back)
Why is this idea that the gamepad has to revolutionize how we play games so prevalent? Is it not enough that it's a really solid controller that brings some nifty features with it?
Nintendo put themselves in this position. They pushed the Gamepad as something revolutionary and did very little with it so far aside from off-TV play and Nintendo Land/Game and Wario
Microsoft and Playstation did the exact same with the Move and Kinect, yet they weren't raked over the coals for it.
PS Move and 360 Kinect aren't required. They are optional purchases, so therefore the systems themselves aren't measured by how well these peripherals are utilized. I own a PS3 and do not own a PS Move, so if PS Move games stopped being released it's no sweat off my back. The gamepad is required to use a Wii U, therefore it's going to be much more focused on and criticized alongside the console itself. (copied and pasted from my response a few pages back)
How can I say this without putting too much thought into it:
Okay, well the gamepad is a generally good idea and most people who own a Wii U like it. If the Wii U had sold better everyone would be hailing the gamepad as an awesome and genius idea.
Unfortunately Nintendo's lack of effective marketing and several factors are working against Nintendo at the start of this "gen" like the continuation of reluctant third party support, a trend towards the popularity of the sort of games Nintendo does not specialize in, a hostile gaming media, and he rise of mobile gaming.
Now is Kinect 2.0 a really terrible idea as a mandatory accessory...especially after the gaming media and even the casual market had declared motion controls dead? Whether or not the general consensus is that mandatory Kinect 2.0 is a brilliant idea or terrible gimmick will depend on how many units the XBOXONE sells. Same with the gamepad. If the Wii U can manage to pull itself out of the doldrums and be something of a success, that's how people will judge the merits of the gamepad.
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