Topic: Splatoon - OT

Yeah like @Arronshere said you can't really compare them. You could if splatoon was just the single player segment with no planned free updates, which are instead replaced by DLC down the line. Then they would be very similar Especially as in the UK splatoon is nearly half the price that the order was at launch.

I think you can get as much fun out of splatoon as you want really, its very replayable (whereas the Order clearly isn't ).

For the record, I think The Order 1886 is a great game. Just not one worth the full price tag. For what content it has, it shouldn't have to be longer. It tells a story and does it rather well with beautiful visuals and good-enough gameplay. I don't want it to be longer, I want it to be cheaper.

For the record you are in a very small minority of people who think the Order 1886 isn't a giant waste of resources and hype.

Congrats. You passed.
All of my posts were somewhat clickbait. You succeeded if you proved the game has enough content, or if you were respectful to somebody else's opinion. I'll just leave you with this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy0Bvu7vy9I

@UGXwolf I think the problem is that Splatoon's content is very lacking when you compare to a typical shooter which is a fair comparison to make. Note here that I'm not talking about remaster collections like MCC but rather individual games.

Lets take Black Ops 2 for example, the single player campaign is about the same length as Splatoon and in both games you have collectables to find that unlock special things you can view. In addition, Black Ops 2 has a sense of non-linearity so doing certain things in levels unlock different levels and the ending changes, Strike Missions also mix up the playstyle from the standard shooter.

Then with multiplayer there is 5 multiplayer maps and 1 mode in Splatoon with updates until August when the complete game will exist. In contrast, Black Ops 2 has 14 maps at launch along with several different modes (don't know how many but it's much more than 1) but it doesn't stop there because a co-op experience exists in the form of Zombies which are on completely different maps to the other parts of the game. Finally, there are paid DLC packs (£35 season pass for everything) with new multiplayer maps and zombies content of which the equivalent for Splatoon is free DLC maps and £60 for a bunch of amiibo challenges (amiibo are technically physical DLC).

I'm not saying Black Ops 2 is the better game because I'd be lying but rather that the amount of content in Splatoon is measly compared to it.

You can't compare this to Black Ops 2, compare it to Garden Warfare as they are similar in style and execution (limited content at launch, new maps added every so often [along with gamemodes]).

Ooh, I like that. I've been calling it "Splatoon: Summer Subscription Service" for the alliteration, but yours sounds much more professional.

@UGXWOLF
Let's compare something else:
Call of Duty Black Ops 2 was the Ninth game in a long running series
Splatoon is Nintendo's first entry in the series and genre

The $35 3 pack Splatoon Amiibos give you bonus clothing options and aren't really required to fully enjoy the game

Call of Duty has a season pass where they gave you a few more maps
Splatoon is going to get free DLC for the foreseeable future

Black Ops 2 got dropped for any future DLC when the next annual release occurred (Ghost)
Nintendo is run by a bunch of "Let's poop this out quick and often" bunch and will support Splatoon again for the foreseeable future.

I agree with @Tommy_Wiseau the best game to compare Splatoon to is Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare. It was a meager game that had a lot of spirit, originality, and a visual style that couldn't be matched, yet they supported the hell out of it with free additional content and neat cross promotional stuff.

@UGXwolf - I like everything you said, but I'll nitpick this part -

"for however long it would've taken them to release it in an update?"

I would much prefer we got everything on disc at the beginning b/c I don't trust Ntinedo to comprehend a calendar. Remember that vid about "50 things in SSBU"? Remember the part about the Miiverse level and the tournaments? The game has been out for 6 months but we still haven't received those. So when Nitneod says "August" I think "October".

So we are buying a $60 game that's being disseminated like a Travelers Tales episodic set, but we have to pay for all the pieces up front. If Ntineod keeps things flowing all summer like they say, that's fine. But if they fall behind schedule what recourse do we have?

I'm buying it tomorrow but w/ all of my fingers and toes tightly crossed.

And they aren't helping their case AT ALL by charging $60 in the US and the equivalent of $40 in the EU and UK. Almost all of the people complaining about the parts are in the US doing so in part b/c the US seems to be getting screwed w/ a 50% mark-up on the price. If the US was $40 or everywhere else was the equivalent of $60 there would be a less complaining, so Nitneod has only themselves to blame in that regard.

Why is it important to compare Splatoon maps with traditional FPS/TPS maps? Maps are not the purpose of the Splatoon gameplay. For every shot with a paint gun or any movement with a roller in Splatoon, the map changes. Sure, there choke points and strategic places for chargers and so on, but the map is a constant evolving thing that's unique for each second of a match. In a traditional FPS/TPS, you have the map, basically.

This. This is a different type of game. A whole lot different. Why not take it for what it is?

True, I have been assuming Nintendo keeps a tight schedule, which is possibly the most legitimate concern you could have for Nintendo doing just about anything. glances at the LoZ series delay rate However, the content isn't going to be ready any sooner either way. You'll end up waiting just as long if it's in a patch as you would if it was released in the full game. The way I see it, they're letting us play what's ready with the promise of more to come as it's completed, but they made sure the game was at least closed off before putting it out there.

As for the people talking about there only being five maps, I would normally be inclined to agree and say that this is a legitimate problem with the game feeling thin, but remember that only two of those maps are available at a time for online, and the game selects at random which one you go to. (Was it each day or each week?) If you actually chose the battlefield, five wouldn't be nearly enough, but because you're very limited on how much you can see at a time, five winds up not feeling like it's so thin. Well, until you take it out and scrutinize it.

Of course, as I've already stated, the updates were basically included with the price of the game, and going off the Splatoon Direct, it appears there will be at least five update maps, which if they're put out with any kind of speed, we'll be enjoying before we even realize they were missing. (Especially if it takes a week to change stages.)

That's probably what's going to happen. Including online maps at the start with things that would the spoil the single player experience for everyone wouldn't be so good.

You obviously care a little bit

Wait a second! What if... what if the invisible platforms are already integrated into Saltspray Rig and we just haven't found them, yet?

B/c people are still trying to justify the cost (mostly in the US), either for or against, mostly against, and comparing the # of maps is one very easy way to do so, even if it isn't an exact match. 5 maps for $60 doesn't sound like a lot. 2 maps every 4 hours is even worse.

And speaking of comparisons, @Grumblevolcano said we only get 1 mode at launch - turf war - but the NL review (and another at Trusted Reviews, which I don't trust) said we also get "splat zone" - "Ranked Battle, at launch, only consists of one game mode called Splat Zones". I think we'll need to reach level 10 to play it but that still puts it at launch as it should only take a few hours to reach level 10.

In my opinion, I don't mind the lack of content due to the face I love turf wars and I can play it for hours! The fact there's dlc coming is good but even better is that it's free sure some of it could've been in the game but at least now we have something too keep the game fresh and look forward to for a while!

With all these complaining Trolls in the Splatoon forum makes me that much happier I don't have to voice chat with any of them

Yep very true! one thing I would kinda like is to be able to talk to friends when the update comes out in August.

I think the Mario Kart idea would work talk between matches