Topic: The everything Xbox thread

@BlueOcean The Last Of US 2 has only been officially delayed once chief. Everything from both sides pretty much comes to PC nowadays in some way so that's a moot point and only one of those I listed is coming to Xbox. Sonys handling of the end of the ps4 Era is night and day to the Wii/U.

@BlueOcean A game can have a single player yet still be Games as a Service for example Halo 5. The new maps and modes were free for everyone because a microtransaction system was implemented.

@redd214 I think @NEStalgia was on about PS4 kind of being like Wii U second half of 2015 onwards, still getting games but very few new announcements if any. For Wii U, after E3 2015 the only new announcements were Twilight Princess HD and Paper Mario Color Splash.

@NEStalgia I just checked and I've got about 60 games on PS4, and roughly 25-30 of them are exclusive. Maybe not the collection most people on forums have, but I don't have the time to play any more games, I'm barely able to finish around 10 games a year. Don't know how other people do it!

Anyway, I don't really care about metacritic scores. Sure, I read a review or two, but that's usually after I've made my purchase. It's a risk I'm willing to take, just like how I'd buy the new 3D Mario game based on a single trailer. The thing is, I love single-player action/adventure games; and that's pretty much most of Sony's output, so most of their games appeal to me. It's that simple really. And I know I can safely buy their games without being overwhelmed with micro-transactions like you'd find in a Ubisoft game for example, and I know they're not broken like a Fallout 76. I really don't think there's more to it than it.

@Grumblevolcano by the end of 2015 the Wii U was already a dead man walking. While I can agree there haven't been a ton of new OMG announcements, the quality/quantity of the games released is incomparable to that of the U's swan song.

@Grumblevolcano I think that's because, about two years ago, we already knew about most of the current and upcoming PS4 games. Maybe not the best strategy if you want to reveal new games all the time, I agree, but they can't do much about that. Unless you would've liked them to reveal PS5 games during E3 2018 for example. I think we can all agree that that wouldn't be a good strategy either.

The Wii U got releases as well, but I distinctly remember 2016 being quite barren, but maybe because Color Splash and Star Fox Zero weren't up to my tastes. 2016 was basically the wait until BOTW.

Now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. God of War was fine, but I don't think it's "Game of the generation" material.

@NEStalgia You're right I don't own an Xbone X prime ultra version 3. But I did own the original Xbox and 360 alongside PS2 and PS3 and didn't find much that I liked better really. I do prefer the 360's controller to the Dualshock but not enough to sell me on buying an Xbone. I have my Switch and PS4 and at this point I don't see myself buying a PS5 or an Xbox Deluxe platinum version Kai-2. I think I'll be going PC-Switch from now on. Those small things you describe might be enough to sell you and all the power to you, but they don't really interest me.

The most fun thing about Xbox for me now, is making jokes about their ridiculous naming patterns.

@Anti-Matter insomniac mostly only makes linear games with specific stages with the exception of Spiderman and sunset overdrive. Iirc, all the ratchet games are stage based, BUT your save files carry over so you can still play towards 100%.

@redd214 if you're including 3rd party games, GBA hasnt been abandoned either MS has been releasing system features, promotions, services, etc this whole time for x1. Sony pretty much left ps4 frozen in time, killed all promotions, marketing, and yes, while they have games coming out that they promised years ago, they seem silent, dump and run, get them out of the pipeline affairs without any real corporate effort behind it. They didn't even bother showing up to E3.... Even Nintendo's WiiU marketing was legendary compared to the last year of PS4. And there still a year to go! I'm a Vita fan. I know what it feels like when Sony leaves in the morning, and this is definitely that

@Octane 30 exclusives? I have most exclusives, including 3rd party like persona, and that's certainly not my count!

@Heavyarms55 if you were already using pc you were already gaming on Microsoft's platform. For some reason pc players never seem to get that. They want xbox to be something other than pc and claim xbox doesn't interest them and they just go back to their windows (x) box . That's what xbox is... Think of it as Surface GAMING Edition. It's a slick compact windows gaming machine like surface is for productivity.

@NEStalgia That's quite the stretch. It's like saying my Sony TV and Playstation are the same thing just cause they are made by the same company and have some overlapping features.

@Heavyarms55 not really. That's quite literally what an xbox is. It's not like a tv and console made by the same company. It's literally intended as a shared ecosystem. That's why GP ultimate is a thing. The only difference is you're locked to Windows Store instead of shopping Steam and Epic etc. But it's definitely "surface gaming edition" essentially.

@DarthNocturnal That's not possible. Only Sony could bestow such value.

@redd214 I didn't say the opposite of what you say and I didn't say that Wii U and PS4 were the same either. Also, God of War game of the decade? LOL The fact that The Last of Us II, a game that has been in development for many years, is finally released in 2020 doesn't mean what you think.

Perhaps I misinterpreted that.

Anyways, Kohls has the X back down to black Friday prices if anyone is in the market for one. NBA 2k bundle is $350 right now and you get $70 in Kohls cash (gift cards) to spend.

Also if you don't mind buying used with no case, Redbox is ceasing their game rental service and are selling a bunch of games on the cheap. Fallen order for $25, COD for $30, Borderlands 3 for $17,some great prices and definitely some profitable opportunities in there!

@redd214 I also said "Of course it's not like Nintendo that basically killed Wii U years before the Switch released" if you are going to quote me.

The way I see it, Sony is focused on PS5 exclusively in a similar way that Nintendo focuses on their next console. It's ridiculous to name third-party games as proof of Sony's support. If it wasn't for Microsoft I doubt that PS5 would even be backwards compatible with PS4.

@BlueOcean cool man, will you be getting the Series X at launch?

@BlueOcean The thing with PS5 backwards compatibility is that there's no reason to not implement it. PS2 could run PS1 games. And early versions of the PS3 could run PS1/2 games. The reason is because 1 and 2 shared the same architecture. PS3 literally contained PS1/2 hardware to be able to do that. And it was part of the reason why the PS3 became so expensive (they later ditched the BC when the price drop happened). With PS4 they changed to much more common x86. So no BC, unfortunately, and adding older hardware would only increase the price, leading to a PS3 situation. With PS5 however, there's no reason to abandon the x86 architecture, so no reason to not have BC with PS4. Same is true for Xbox; the Series X will have native BC with Xbox One games, because there's no reason not to.

GameCube, Wii and Wii U are a similar story; same architecture, all BC. Though the Wii U and later versions of the Wii couldn't play GCN games because they weren't able to handle the smaller discs; they can still run the code natively however.

@redd214 Not sure. I want an Xbox (Series X) but with an Xbox One X and this backlog I can wait. I'll buy one eventually because of the backwards compatibility, controller, Game Pass and my new TV (LG C9) but not sure that I'll get one at launch. This generation I got a (New) 3DS, a Wii U, an original Xbox One years after I got my launch PS4 and in 2017 I got an Xbox One X at launch. I also got a Switch Lite at launch (but not the original Switch). Next generation I want to keep it simple, an Xbox (Series X) to begin with would be really nice but probably not at launch. If I buy a second console next generation it would be Nintendo's next thing.

@BlueOcean just trade in you One X towards it. You'd only be on the hook for a couple hundred bucks probably. Do it, DO IT,.!!

@Octane You're right and I think that Sony makes Microsoft better and Microsoft makes Sony better and for some reason I wasn't expecting Sony to bother with backwards compatibility at all even if it was an easy thing to do. Even if it had nothing to do with what Microsoft did, Sony is asking Microsoft for help with the streaming and at least that part is because of what Microsoft is planning. Probably, Google Stadia was also one of the reasons since Sony was scared of it. When xCloud is fully released and included with Game Pass Ultimate I expect Stadia to be even less important than now.

One of things that I love about Wii U is the backwards compatibility with Wii, GC if soft-modded and its Virtual Console although it's quite limited. Switch ditched backwards compatibility because it used a different technology but not powerful because it was mobile and old technology so in my opinion Switch wasn't a great thing at all except for its portability and that's why I only got a Switch Lite.

Microsoft was the only company that really went the extra mile and spent a lot of resources, time and money in developing compatibility of PowerPC games on an x86 console. In the beginning the games ran poorly but they didn't stop until games ran as good or better than on the original hardware. Then they added original Xbox games too. Then they upped resolution and frame rate. That has paid off because now they can use the same project on Xbox (Series X). In that sense, Microsoft did the greatest thing of the whole generation in my opinion even though PS4 won the prize because of Nintendo and Microsoft messing up in 2012 and 2013.

@redd214 That's exactly what I should do, right? It runs all Xbox One games and it's much more powerful. I sold the original Xbox One with the Xbox One X controller because the original Xbox One was bundled with the Elite controller (Xbox One Elite pack, if anyone remembers that bundle). So, if I sell my Xbox One X I should include the Xbox (Series X) controller, I guess. I wonder for how much a used Xbox One X can be sold.

EDIT: Article about Xbox (Series X):

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-xbox-s...