Topic: Zelda's Wii U-Turn to NX

@LetsGoRetro: Who is going to buy a $500 system when they can get a $300 PS4? If this is a hybrid device, then both systems are needed for it to work. If either system is optional, then it is not a "hybrid" device, right?

@DefHalan:

Why does hybrid mean both are needed for it to work? It simply means it can do both.

@DefHalan:

"Hybrid" simply has to mean "Buy X game and it works on both. It's 2 systems in one" That alone makes it a good enough value proposition to buy both.

@DefHalan: I would pay $500 for a new console anyday even if the ps4 was $200 it's a new cosole for god sakes, if they market it right it will sell itself

@LetsGoRetro:
The spec that $300-500US can deliver differs depending on the form factor. A high end smartphone can be almost as powerful as the 360 was. That'll set you back ~$600US off contract. For that price you could get a home console that slaughters the PS4 spec.

More likely they'll aim for $250-300US for a portable. That'll push it to a "almost" 360 spec. In the same way that the 3DS is "almost" at the GameCube spec. That spec can't compete with the PS4 and would not be an upgrade from the Wii U.

@skywake:

Well, like I said, I can't argue specs with you. I'm sure you could run circles around me. But you don't always have to know the inner workings of how things work to make a good argument, so here is mine:

If NX's home console is exactly PS4, and it's portable is exactly Vita, I think most everyone would be happy. The PS4 is $300, the VIta is between $170-$200, depending on retailer (after a quick google search).

I don't know specs, but that's about all I need to know to convince myself it is possible. And again, if you factor in the time until release causing part prices to fall and Nintendo possibly being willing to lose money on hardware, then $470-$500 is an absolute worst case price.

@LetsGoRetro: that exactly my thought on the matter why should Nintendo sell themselves short. I sure are hell know playstation won't be considering the price of the NX when the PS5 comes out it will be $500 - $600 straight of the bat. But we really have to wait and see what the NX is before talk about the price. People have to remember it not all about spec it's what it can do as an overall

@haigh1011:

I definitely don't think they should sell themselves short. I just know they tend to shoot for the lowest price they can to be accessible, and sure as heck never price themselves based off Sony's price. I, like you, would buy It at almost anything they price it. Based on past behaviors, though, I tend to think they'll price it as affordable as possible, as being affordable to as many people as possible is the name of the game.

@LetsGoRetro: If both systems play the same games, why would someone buy both? Spend $300 just for the convenience of playing it on the TV? Why have both when 1 does it all?

This would not be a hybrid solution. You're talking about two entirely different systems. How is this any different from the Wii U and 3DS?

Also in terms of realistic specs:
portable: 2-6x Vita, 20-60x 3DS, 0.3-0.8x Wii U
home console: 2-6x Wii U, 0.4-1.2x PS4, 2-45x what their portable will be

@skywake: I kinda see what @LetsGoRetro is saying I don't know if he thinks the same as me but I think the NX will be a home
Console, the controller will be like the Wii U game pad only smaller and similar to the PS Vista, but then this controller can used as a handheld ans has a slot similar to the PS Vista so you can play handheld games on the go and when you are home you can play console games on your TV or on the controller that what I'm think anyway, don't really know if something like can work or is feasible.

That would work on a technical level but you're ignoring the fact that you're basically just bundling a home console and a portable. It's like selling someone a box that has a Wii U and special "GamePad compatible" SKU of the 3DS in place of the GamePad. If they were to do that with the Wii U and 3DS now? I reckon they'd have to charge at least $400US. For a Wii U and 3DS spec....

@skywake: think of it like this, say a console is $400 and a handheld is $200 so $600 for both. So the NX comes out it $600 and is both a handheld and console, I go that pretty sweet I'm going to get it, but say the NX come out and is only a console even though it's cheaper and would still work out the same I'm probably not goin to buy a separate handheld. But If Nintendo make it so when you buy the NX you have both so people who would normally play handheld might venture into that market I know I would, that's just my opinion

@haigh1011:
If the portable is not required then it's not a hybrid. If the portable is required then it'll blow out the price. If the system itself is the portable then it's not going to be powerful enough. Simple as that.

@skywake: if you used the console to play games on the handheld and you and use the console so that you can play the handheld on the TV wouldn't that make it a hybrid?

You can control Smash Bros Wii U using the 3DS. Does that make the Wii U a hybrid? You can play PS4 games on the Vita via streaming does that make the PS4 a hybrid? I would have thought a hybrid by definition would be one device. If the both components are stand alone devices it's not a hybrid in any sense.

edit: for clarity
I do expect the ability to stream games to the portable. I hope it has cross-buy and cross-play for some titles. I would also assume that other things like friends lists and so on will be shared. But I don't think they'll sell them both in the same box and I don't think they'll require one another. It'll be like having an iPhone and Apple TV or PS4 and Vita. It won't be like having a Wii U and a Wii U GamePad or PC and Steam Link.

@skywake: but like I said before, if the main contoller was also a handheld and the controller was like a gamepad, wouldn't that make a hybrid? Or am I just confusing myself?

@haigh1011:
If it was like that but you didn't have to buy the handheld to use it? That would not be a hybrid. If the idea is that the controller has a screen? Then you can do that without the extra $100s required to make it work away from the home console portion. That's what the Wii U is. The Wii U is about as close as you can get to a "hybrid" by this sort of model. I wouldn't consider the Wii U a hybrid.

The only way other way for a hybrid to exist is if the handheld is doing the work. Which won't work unless you are willing to give up on a lot of horsepower. And by a lot I mean orders of magnitude.

@skywake: I just read your 2nd bit, some like what Sony has done I think would be good, I would just love to be able to play Pokemon on my TV as I just can't play handhelds anymore, I would also love to get game boy and gameboy colour VC game to play on my tv

@haigh1011:
Virtual Console != hybrid
Some games the same != hybrid

If they were then the Wii U and 3DS are already hybrid consoles.....