@GrailUK But we're seeing gigantic backlash only a few weeks before BotW's launch just because Nintendo wanted to expand the game further with an expansion pass, all you need is for Super Mario Odyssey to have an expansion pass (which I think it will given the open nature of New Donk City) and all the hype will be gone in an instant.
I just hear grumpy whining.
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I wouldn't say the backlash is gigantic. In the grand scheme of things I don't think many people will care as long as the base game feels complete as it is
@GrailUK But we're seeing gigantic backlash only a few weeks before BotW's launch just because Nintendo wanted to expand the game further with an expansion pass, all you need is for Super Mario Odyssey to have an expansion pass (which I think it will given the open nature of New Donk City) and all the hype will be gone in an instant.
I just hear grumpy whining.
Same thing happened with Final Fantasy XV. People complaining that the season pass wasn't included with the special edition (as if DLC automatically is supposed to be included with any special edition?). In any case, you heard the same silly stuff, and I told people then to stop the complaining- like, you knew what the special edition had when you bought it and you deemed it worthy of buying, so don't go complaining after the fact as if the pass is "owed to you" for no reason.
Anyways, there was a uproar for a day and then people moved on and went right back into hype mode. And the game sold millions of copies, even despite some questionable previews. And the same thing will happen here. Ultimately, Zelda is going to probably outsell every entry in the series to date, and I'd be shocked if it doesn't rake the Metacritic scores across the board too.
Tell you what though, Nintendo needs to hurry up and announce some more information because we are two weeks away from launch and still have no idea what their VC plans are, haven't really got details about how accounts and games work when you sign in on a different Switch, we've got no details on the user interface or the eShop... what are they waiting on... e3?
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@DefHalan@Frosty_09 ahh this made me laugh! Yes, I really need to get out of that abbreviation for Animal Crossing. Although having an Assassin's Creed twist could be a good shake up for the Crossing franchise...
@TheLZdragon Given what we know about Switch so far I'm thinking Scorpio may drown out Switch at E3.
No way does Scorpio drown out Switch. It's being hyped up to be some sort of completely next-gen Xbox that will blow everything else out of the water, when in reality it's their version of the PS4 Pro.
It won't get anywhere without the games to back it up. With Scalebound's cancellation, they're pretty much relying on Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, and State of Decay 2 as well as this year's Forza. They're gonna need something huge that hasn't been announced yet that takes full advantage of Scorpio. If they don't, then they're setting themselves up for massive backlash.
Nintendo at the very least has Super Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem Warriors, Xenoblade 2, and I assume Splatoon 2 (I imagine it'll be out a week or two later).
@JaxonH Did the eshop exist at launch for Wii U? I'm thinking maybe there's no info yet on that stuff for Switch because it doesn't exist yet.
@IceClimbers Well this is the stuff I see happening:
The 4 games you mentioned
The console itself
VR
Indie section
Some big games
Big future system updates (updates in previous E3 conferences did cause hype like Backwards Compatibility in 2015)
The big changes to Xbox Live Microsoft teased earlier this year (or was it late last year? Don't remember)
Lots of big questions surround Nintendo's situation too:
Format (Live or Digital Event? Treehouse afterwards?, etc.)
To what extent will E3 being open to the public affect press coverage from big gaming sites like IGN?
Has the quality of Nintendo's online servers improved or is the paid online just going to anger potential buyers more?
Is there some way to use a normal GC controller with the inevitable Smash port?
Is BotW's hard mode DLC really just going to be like WWHD/TPHD Hero Mode (paying for a difficulty mode will anger plenty of people) or is it going to be more like OoT's Master Quest?
@GrailUK But we're seeing gigantic backlash only a few weeks before BotW's launch just because Nintendo wanted to expand the game further with an expansion pass, all you need is for Super Mario Odyssey to have an expansion pass (which I think it will given the open nature of New Donk City) and all the hype will be gone in an instant.
Meanwhile, Horizon: Zero Dawn is loaded down with in-game pre-order bonuses, microtransactions, and will most certainly announce a bevy of DLC in the coming days, and the collective internet aside from a few dissenters will just nod its head and continue praising Sony.
BUT GOD FORBID if any Nintendo DLC makes the headlines. It's open season on the "corrupt" and "greedy" Nintendo who is asking 20 bucks for a new story, new dungeon, new trials, new mode, etc.
I wanna say ya? Cause the VC went live soon after, and the eShop was already up when that happened... right? Either way, it's 2017. A digital shop shouldn't even be a question at launch. That's a must. They said you'll be able to buy games digitally day one so, I'm assuming yes. VC is a whole other story though.
Honestly I'm OK waiting for gamecube, but it would be really nice if they could announce a game plan for the next three years. Like, 2-3 NES/SNES each week for year one, 2-3 N64/GBA each week for year two, 1-2 GC/Wii each week for year three, and misc platforms to come after that (like DS, GB, TG16, Genesis, etc).
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Made a post, deleted it. Apologies if anyone got that email tag. Not worth the discussion, it gets tiring after a while and it's not worth it. I'd rather just stay on my personal hype train.
Yeah, sure, you get a different costume if you pre-order the game, but there are no micro transactions (nor DLC as far we know). Not that it matters, cause if the game is good, I wouldn't mind a good DLC expansion if it makes sense in the context of the game. But again, it's not loaded with micro transactions at all...
Given what we know about Switch so far I'm thinking Scorpio may drown out Switch at E3.
I honestly don't think anyone will care about the Scorpio. People who want that sort of performance are generally PC gamers anyways. And it's not like Scorpio is going to have any new content that you can't get already. The Switch is an entirely new concept with entirely new content.
If anything Microsoft are going to wish they had talked more about Scorpio pre-Switch. They could have won some free press by coming out alongside the PS4 Pro and being a higher performing device. They would have had no competition for people's mindshare from Nintendo. But as it is, at this E3 nobody is going to care about Scorpio.
The eShop was indeed available on day 1. It's available on day 1 for Switch too. How else are you going to buy Little Inferno (that was actually a Wii U launch title) or I Am Setsuna, which are both digital only?
As far as Microsoft goes the only system update I could maybe see bringing any sort of hype is the original Xbox being added to BC.
Yeah, sure, you get a different costume if you pre-order the game, but there are no micro transactions (nor DLC as far we know). Not that it matters, cause if the game is good, I wouldn't mind a good DLC expansion if it makes sense in the context of the game. But again, it's not loaded with micro transactions at all...
I dunno. Other devs said that in the past too...
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@skywake
I'm... actually kind of inclined to agree with you. Six months ago I wouldn't have. Six months ago I would've told you PS4 Pro and Scorpio may well kill the Switch. But after seeing the lackluster response to the Pro (and for the record, I bought one myself), I'm convinced the Scorpio isn't going to do much better, although I do think it has a lot more potential to do better than Pro, simply because of how much more of an upgrade it will be.
The fact that the consoles aren't getting exclusive games.... that's what killed it. The bump in resolution and frame rate is nice, but it's not $400 nice. I can afford it and I am perfectly content with the 4K resolution of the Pro- it's fantastic playing games in 4K versus 1080p. But it's not the jump that it was from SD to HD. I notice it more for movies and shows that I do for games. Netflix in 4K is stunning. But games... I don't know, it's just not that big of an improvement. It's awesome- don't get me wrong, it's definitely awesome... it's just not $400 awesome. And that's the problem.
@Octane
Ya, as far as I'm concerned "loaded with DLC" is a great thing- I'm always up for great games getting extra content in the form of DLC. I'm happy to see Zelda get some and I hope Horizon does as well. I'm not exactly sure what he's talking about but the point about the Zelda DLC uproar is well taken. Just picked a really, really poor example to compare with.
Erm... there is WAY more than just a "different costume," dude. Multiple tiers of Day1 DLC with numerous items in each. And again, I intentionally worded my post: "will most certainly announce a bevy of DLC." I did not state that further DLC has already been revealed, only that I'm sure it will be in the future. Looking at the actual facts, yea, the thing is LOADED with pre-order DLC.
And about the microtransactions: Notice their fun little wording: "Guerilla Games carefully explained that the main game won’t have any microtransactions." MAIN GAME. You can pretend that's just a harmless phrasing, or, as we love doing around here with all the PR talk from Reggie and his ilk, you can open your eyes and realize those words were carefully chosen for a reason.
For the last time, man, PLEASE read what I actually wrote, not what you want to imagine that I wrote.
@rallydefault I get what you're saying, but look up the source from that quote. The original source is the Tweet I posted. Guerilla Games said ''There will be no micro transactions in #HorizonZeroDawn'' when they were asked about the micro transactions. They never said anything about the ''main'' game, The Bitbag wrote that, not Guerilla Games. So it's not careful wording or anything like that, because they never said used those words in the first place.
On the actual content of the pre-order bonuses; Every pre-order comes with the Nora costume, a Nora skin for the bow and a couple of items to help you on your way, this is the so-called Resource Pack. The limited editions and collector's editions will also receive this, plus two additional sets of costumes, bow skins and resource packs. I don't see how this is any different from the day-one bonuses in Zelda, they also give you a shirt, useful ''items'' and resources.
@JaxonH
Remember that 4K Netflix doesn't just look better because it's "4K". They also increase the bandwidth from 5Mbps to 25Mbps. In terms of bandwidth used 4K Netflix is about on-par with standard Blurays while "HD" Netflix is like a Blu-Ray rip that's small enough to fit on a single layer DVD. That's the difference in quality you see. Technically you shouldn't need a 4K screen to appreciate the benefits of "4K" Netflix.
With games? It's always a raw and uncompressed video signal. Well, unless you're streaming the game from another machine. The Wii U GamePad and Steam Link are compressed signals. Everything else is the console telling the screen what colour each pixel should be directly. So resolution jumps for games? It's 100% about the resolution jump.
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