Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Final Fight is free now and capcom's 2nd arcade games are half off, part of me thinks they're going to be announcing something. I think volume 1 had a similar deal right before 2 came out.

It's amusing to me to see people online claim that Sony "earned" their place as market leader by organically growing their studios and IPs, and that Microsoft is trying to buy their way in. No disrespect to their studios, but just no. That's not why PlayStation got as big as it did; it got big because Sony paid for exclusivity deal after exclusivity deal on 3rd party titles for the original PlayStation and not for Sega or Nintendo, something they continue to do today.

Where's the Xbox version of FFVII Remake at Sony?

@JaxonH how about us Nintendistas/Nintendo that go after any fan project, overcharge for it games and it consoles(never reduce it price) sold us cardboard for $80 and have a horrible online service and charge us a service for us to acess a old content(see Nintendo is worse then Sony).

Sony is in an interesting position. Despite being the long-running market leader, they're especially vulnerable compared to their competition. Nintendo has a treasure trove of IPs they fall back on to sell consoles, which gives them a unique level of protection from changes in the market. Microsoft is... Microsoft. The console gaming biz is almost a hobby for them, so there's no need for them to claw and scratch their way to the top of the pack.

But Sony, by and large, has failed or posted losses in most of its endeavors outside of gaming. And they've traditionally not had much of a first-party lineup to fall back on, which is why the games people tend to associate with Sony's golden years are typically third-party titles that were exclusive to their consoles. Which was fine when they had a stranglehold on most of the industry. But that has fallen through in recent years, with many of the big IPs associated with their consoles branching out to other platforms.

To their credit, they're attempting to fix this weakness. Their much-vaunted first-party line-up since the PS3 era has produced a number of critically acclaimed and decently successful blockbusters, but these are very expensive to produce and typically only keep selling down the road via steep price cuts. Which Sony is willing to make if need be, because they have an image of being the leader of the industry to protect. Same reason they flogged cheap PS3s near the end of the seventh gen in order to boost their hardware numbers.

The recognition of this weakness is also likely why they're branching out so much in recent years. Leveraging their IPs for TV/film projects, PC gaming sales, etc. Especially their recent announcement that they're massively expanding into the live service genre soon, since they'd love nothing more than to create the next Fortnite and have a product that can endlessly expand and make money for them.

Microsoft's acquisition of Zenimax and attempted (currently) acquisition of Activision/Blizzard is putting the fear of god in their hearts, because they know their first-party line-up isn't sufficient to prevent an exodus of casual gamers and lose a decent chunk of their market share. So they will do what they do best, and fight like absolute dogs to keep a competitor from striking a mortal wound to their brand. Even if that means humiliating spectacles like Jim Ryan jetting around the world to cry to various regulatory bodies.

@Giancarlothomaz
Couldn't care less.

I'm not doing fan projects, and nobody forced me to buy cardboard. So I really couldn't care less.

Ya, their online service is poor. But for $10/mo for the expansion pack with their generous family plan offer, I'm happier with their online than I ever was with Sony or MS.

If others think those things are more egregious, they can feel whatever way they want.

But from where I'm sitting, those are either completely non-issues or small potatoes that don't even remotely impact me to the extent Sony does. Also, Nintendo doesn't mess with non-Nintendo gamers, typically. Sony, on the other hand- that's all they do is screw people who don't game on their platform

You can rattle off a laundry list of infractions against Nintendo, or Microsoft, or Valve. But at the end of the day, none of those things have a severe negative impact on me. Sony is the only one (well, and Epic Game Store) that consistently screws over the majority of gamers by making it a company policy to pay to deprive as many titles from non-PS gamers as possible. And then be a complete and utter prick about it.

Comparing Nintendo shutting down fan projects to a company literally depriving everyone of the biggest games on a regular basis feels like comparing an ant to an elephant.

@Giancarlothomaz The only one of those things that could be considered anti consumer is shutting down fan projects.

@JaxonH you don't care because you live in a first world country, i was forced to buy a fortune to play my games(why can't Nintendo lower the prices of it games to $50 or $30 i am forced to buy up to R$300 to R$500($57.40 to $96.67, me and @Kaisu have to suffer this everything i buy something on Brazil) and to get the situation worse the new president of Brazil is gonna revoke all the decrees that made us paid less taxes), you all don't understand my point/situation, because you live in a first world country, i live in a third world country(Brazil).

So FFXVI is confirmed to be at the Game Awards.

So we're getting Star Wars Jedi Survivor, Tekken 8, Street Fighter 6, FFXVI, and Diablo IV for sure, with a new Crash rumored.

That sounds like the best Game Awards in a while.

@EaglyTheKawaiiShika
I don't believe all companies suck. I do believe they're not our friends. As for morals, all companies have morals and values, the question is how far they're willing to be flexible with them, and how often they're willing to bend them, to get what they want. It's a grey area, not black or white.

If the criteria for a company sucking is any single infraction for which most reasonable people can claim they're in the wrong, then all companies suck. But they don't all suck equally.

We should be loyal and thankful to them not the people in suits

I do agree with this. Even with Nintendo, it's the creators I feel an affection toward, not the business. The people who push a culture of innovation and fun gameplay first.

@Ralizah
I think Sony is making a bigger deal out of this than it really is. Yes, CoD is a big game. For sure. And Diablo (but we only see a new one of those on console what, once per decade? So eh). If Sony is going to crumble and buckle its position over ONE. SINGLE. GAME... then they don't deserve to be market leader. They don't deserve it. I don't care how big a game it is. Even if every single PS gamer who buys CoD every year left the ecosystem in a mass exodus, they'd still only lose like 10 million gamers. And they're definitely not going to lose every single one. Many will simply play on PC or buy an Xbox also. But how many customers will they lose? A couple million tops. PS4 sold 117 million. Xbox One sold 55 million. Tip the scale by a few million each way, and it's still a drop in the bucket.

It's the revenue they care about. But just as much as revenue I think it's ego. They're too egotistical to accept being 2nd place in anything. It's why they bowed out of the handheld space so quickly after just 1 failed hardware release. Meanwhile, PSVR is getting a successor. Why? Because Vita was seen as a loser compared to 3DS. Whereas PSVR is seen as the best selling VR headset. It's nowhere near as lucrative at 1/3 the install base and WAY less software sales, but it fluffs their ego. So they support it.

The Nintendo slander perpetuating silly fanboy stereotypes is something you'd expect to read in an IGN comment section by a user named "SonyAlwaysWins2497", not the CEO. Yes, Nintendo definitely maintains a family friendly image, but family friendly does not equate to "only children" or even "majority children". And the data backs that up. The majority of the user base is in fact adults. But even if that wasn't the case, are they insinuating Call of Duty isn't played by children? Without children, CoD wouldn't be anywhere near as big as it is today. It's so deeply errant it's downright offensive. As if to say, anyone who plays on Switch is just a child, because obviously no adult would prefer anything other than power and graphics /s

And it all goes back to ego. By "disqualifying" Nintendo with their statement they essentially rationalize the fact they're not the market leader anymore. Nintendo is. And I think they can't stand that fact (because they're so egocentric and petty). Call of Duty, if given competent day and date releases on Switch 2 alongside other platforms, would easily sell 2+ million copies, and that's just to start with. That may not sound like a lot, but for a platform that hasn't received an entry in a decade, and the last generation had a failed console, and the generation prior a sub-HD console without 2nd analog stick, that would be pretty notable. At least 20% of the sales Sony sees despite them dropping helicopter cash every year for exclusive content and marketing. From there, it would only grow. Maybe it hits 3-4 million per game by end of next gen. Will it ever reach the sales seen on other platforms? Probably not. But it's impact wouldn't be negligible as they pretend.

@Giancarlothomaz
That's true, but I can only speak from my perspective. And from where I'm sitting, it's a non issue.

But even so, while I can understand what you're saying, and it is unfortunate, different countries have different currencies and pricing all over the world and that's just an economic reality. If it doesn't affect me, then I don't care. But even if it did affect me, I'd have to hate every company equally as much since they ALL have higher prices in certain regions.

But even then, even if no other company except one had higher prices, I still wouldn't despise a company because of that. It is what it is. I'm not gonna hate a company over prices. If I was gonna hate companies over prices I'd hate Sony for their $50 price increase to $550 for PS5 and them pushing $70 games. But I think that's a silly reason to hate a company. I can dislike something and not hate a company for it. Prices would fall into that category.

Is Nintendo Life doing a live chat for the Game Awards? The pre-show has already started.

check out The Game Awards 2022

@EaglyTheKawaiiShika
I don't believe in worshipping anyone but the Lord my God. I enjoy entertainment through the avenue of video games, and at this juncture in my life, Nintendo Switch in particular. I very much love the console and games, but worship is a strong word. I'm just here for the games and hybrid experience with gyro. If Nintendo stopped providing that tomorrow, and Company B stepped in and made a system exactly like Switch, with games exactly like the ones on Switch, I'd be all over it. It's all about the experience, not the company. Though I do feel gratitude toward many companies for the products they provide. Nintendo for Switch, Capcom for Monster Hunter, Retro for Metroid Prime and DKC, etc.

But generally speaking, I don't care about 99% of the petty nonsense I see ppl complaining about. Don't care if Nintendo protects their IP aggressively taking down rom sites or fan projects or tournaments. I don't care if Microsoft doesn't have a good lineup or raises game prices or includes MTX (I dont like it, but I just won't buy them), I don't care if Sony abandons platforms prematurely or increases hardware/software prices (I mean, I don't like it, but I don't care enough to complain- I'll simply wait for a sale). I just don't care. I'm not looking for grievances like so much of outrage culture today. To anger me, a company has to do something that affects me on a personal, emotional level, and it has to be significant enough to not ignore.

There's only one thing that's ever triggered me on that level, and that's habitual moneyhatting to deprive and punish every gamer on other platforms. Sporadic moneyhats, ok. They're unavoidable. A game here and there, that can be overlooked. But when the core appeal of a platform is multiplatform games bought and paid for under the table to be held hostage, to the point dozens upon dozens of the biggest games are affected each generation, that gets me, as it screws me over in the worst way possible. Hypocrisy also gets under my skin, as does condescending, hostile remarks made toward other companies. There's a level of respect I like to see amongst companies, at least publicly.

But ya. I agree with your sentiment.

Wow, Nintendo's March game is more Bayonetta.

Was not expecting a Bayonetta spinoff as the March game.

Even more Nintendo news, Fire Emblem Engage Expansion Pass!

Good night for Bayonetta fans, it seems. A side-game and recognition at TGA.

Oh man oh man OH MAN. 2023 is shaping up to be one of the best years in recent gaming memory. Could be even better than 2017 depending on how it goes but I'm so excited to find out!

My 2c on the Sony/MS/Nintendo bit from the last couple of pages. I think I'll go with what @Ralizah said mostly. Microsoft doesn't really need XBox, if you look at Microsoft's financial reports XBox is a small subset of the smallest of their three main revenue streams. "Cloud" is their biggest (Azure, SQL Server, Visual Studio, GitHub etc) then Business (Office 365, Exchange, Dynamics, CRM, etc) and THEN the retail products the average consumer knows Microsoft for (Windows Licences, Surface, Accessories and XBox)

Nintendo have their Disney tier IP which puts them in their own league. It's like when Disney+ launched, how does anyone compete with that? Even before all of their acquisitions Disney was god damn Disney. Same deal with Nintendo. Doesn't matter how behind the hardware is or what Nintendo does they still have the IP. ~1/3rd of the game franchises that have sold more than 100mill units are Nintendo exclusive and only 2 of them haven't been on Switch in some form. CoD and Pro Evolution Soccer

Sony is.... a bit more complicated. Gaming is a much larger slice of their revenue than it is for Microsoft and is their single largest source of revenue. But in terms of actual size? Depending on where they are in the cycle they're more or less the same size as Nintendo. And most of the other things they are either stagnant or going backwards in. Music isn't the cash cow it used to be, movies is a space other players are making moves, consumer electronics they're being hit by Canon on one side and Samsung on the other

Sony kinda has to keep consuming studios to survive in this space because they've shown time and time again that they don't really understand their users. Microsoft doesn't care if they survive or not in this space, they're more worried about Amazon and Google. Nintendo aren't a tech company so they are slow to react especially when it comes to services. But they understand the business of making games probably better than anyone and, ultimately, we buy consoles for games not database services and cloud computing

edit: Also damn, Hades 2 AND a Bayonetta spinoff? Are these guys reading my posts again? I feel like these guys are just giving me the things I ask for now....