Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@JaxonH IIRC, the game already tells you about what to bring to the first gym if you talk to the NPCs. Forcing you to bring one is oddly restrictive, like an insult on the player's intelligence. It was never difficult to begin with, so it's weird seeing the franchise becoming easier and easier over time. /rant

@JaxonH That Pokemon logic there is slightly flawed as yes the game will tell you what types you need.

But so do the other games. Only in this one they force you to have it.

Plus if type matchups are your problem, in Sun and Moon, the game tells you which of your moves are effective once you have encountered a Pokemon before.

Oh, and there are 18 types that will be spread across 151 Pokemon in this game.

The problem ia only 3 of them are Dragon, 2 are Steel and none are Dark.

So really it works out more like 15 types.

And now I realise there are no Dark types and Steel is limited it means Psychic will run house again. Great.

@Octane
I don't think it's an insult on the players intelligence when a bunch of new people who haven't really played the game before are going to be jumping in (like me!). Only, I'm a gamer and can intuitively figure stuff out. I'm betting anybody who jumps in this game from Pokémon GO might not have that same gamer intuition.

But sure, I think it would be better if they just gave you a warning that you don't have what you need, but at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal. You're going to have one in your party anyways and if you don't, you're probably going to want to get one for your party anyways. Idk, it just seems like a very small thing to get so bent out of shape about, even if you are correct in your statement.

I've seen people losing their minds over this like guys, I get it, but it's not that big of a deal.

@Octane Yeah the forcing is a first and its also very restrictive.

Like...we got rid of HMs to stop forcing people to bring certain Pokemon. Now the game does it for a different and honestly worse reason.

Plus, mandating a Grass or Water type in your team to fight Brock makes me wonder...what was the point of giving Pikachu and Eevee the move Double Kick to deal with Rock types if we wont use them?

@Knuckles-Fajita
I do think it would have been better to just give a warning. At the same time I think it will be helpful for someone like me. And it kind of creates a requirement to progress which video games do all the time. Collect these three coins before you can open the door, collect these five keys before you can unlock the chest. Capture this certain Pokémon before you can battle the gym trainer...

Idk, just kind of falls in line with what video games do to me. Still, I'm not arguing about that- I would certainly not be opposed to just a warning message. It would be both informative and allow the experienced people like you guys to get right into it. But with that being said it just doesn't seem like something worth complaining about more than 10 minutes and then moving on

@JaxonH I find it more odd that the developers say Pokemon was too complex.

I dont recall it being a megahit in the hit 90s or anything but im fairly sure difficulty had nothibg to do with it. Franchise fatigue is what pushed most away.

But its such an odd move. Remove half of the battling gameplay mechanics in favour of a mobile game...and make the game incredibly restrictive to play it just doesnt feel like a natural gateway into the franchise. It feels more like its vastly underpreparing you for the next game.

But to compound issues a lot of people droppped Pokemon around Gen 3 because the number of Pokemon got too high and are looking at this to get back ibto the series...I have to ask how they expect to do that?

I mean, they couldnt handle being introduced to 135 new Pokwmon in Gen 3. The number went from 252 to 387, and only 202 were actually in the game.

I dont know how theyll cope going from the original 151 to the current 807 plus whatever they add next in one fell swoop if a mere 135 new was too much at once.

@JaxonH It's a small thing, but they add up over time. It's kinda sad to see a franchise I used to like go in a direction that I absolutely don't want it to go in. And the games aren't overly complex RPGs or anything, they were already simple games, so I don't understand why they think it all should be made easier for new players. I really hope none of the GO stuff carries over to next year's game, and I hope they're going back to their roots, but I doubt it!

@Knuckles-Fajita Making sure that if you can't figure out how to swap your party around, you can still beat the gym

@ReaderRagfish The key thing is forced vs. optional. In Let's Go you can't challenge the gym unless you have the right type, level, etc. whereas in previous games it was more "Here's a useful hint, use it if you want but it's not compulsory".

I just came across this video:

And if not, then just ignore it...

@Octane
Yeah but I think those criticisms would hold more merit it if it was an actual regular series entry.

I don't find it too odd that a one-off Pokemon spinoff on the GO formula, made to draw in players from Pokémon GO, has been made easier.

Now if next year's games are like that then I think you've got something tangible to talk about. But we can't pretend this game is the same as the normal entries. It definitely follows the core formula quite a bit but it's still based off of GO and it still meant to draw in players of GO.

The Switch didn't have much in the way of blockbusters for me this year, but it does have Octopath and Smash, so it can't be that bad of a year by deafult, lol. Though I definitely use the thing way less than I used to. I hope 2019 brings me around again

Just a tip, stop comparing the let's go games with main pokemon games. They are not supposed to be main entries, you will only find flaws and be disappointed if you do. The difference between the games is more like the jump from super Mario to paper Mario, same characters, not the same game.

@ReaderRagfish Yeah and that's the big thing I don't get about Let's Go, either a non-reversible difficulty select option at the beginning of the game (like Fire Emblem games from Awakening onwards has casual difficulty) or a toggle difficulty option like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 would solve a lot of problems.

Have a difficulty select with 2 difficulties, "Classic" and "Go". "Classic" is pretty much your typical Pokemon experience, wild Pokemon battles exist and hints are just hints rather than forced way to play meanwhile "Go" is what you see now.

Btw, this is the game people asked for when pokemon go was announced.
"You have to walk? Can't we just have a joystick?"
"You can't battle trainers? Lame"
Etc...

Everything Game Freak has said has indicated that Lets Go is closer to the main games than a spin-off. I forget their exact words, but the gist of it is that it's a subseries of the main series instead of a spin-off. It most certainly isn't even remotely comparable to the major differences between Super Mario platformers and Paper Mario.

If Let's Go sells well you know it wont be a one off.

And god forbid if it continues the trend of the first Pokemon game on the system being the best selling entry on the system. We all know GameFreak likes to chase money...so if this takes off in a big way over the main games then rip main games.

I mean come on. Everytime we tell GameFreak they have a good idea, they drop it immediately. Battle Frontier? Dropped. Seasons? Apparently Unova is the only place impacted by planetary rotation.

Super Training? Gone. In game stuff for event Pokemon instead of just being handed them? Gone. Using wifi for Mystery Gift? Barely.

Post game content? You know with how close this is to Gen 1 that all youll get is a screen of Mewtwo that you chuck balls at with little input and the dungeon prior. Nothing else.

And you know what? If that doesnt get lambasted in 2018 there is something very wrong.

@Knuckles-Fajita I think the trailers hinted at the fact that you need to battle the legendaries first. The birds and Mewtwo I'd assume.

@Octane I'm not expecting that. I see the full on anti-climax.

"It's Mewtwo!"

throws balls endlessly

Also, thought. How does the Master Ball work? Can you miss?

Not that I'm worried. I already know the basic control scheme for the Switch allows two player with just one person to snap the game in half so...

Not quite. There's a few things from the Play section of the trailer that haven't arrived yet like a bird and a camera, will probably end up being a 2nd variety pack releasing late this year or early next year.

@asdz0722 Wait, wireless bluetooth? But how?! Just using an adapter in the 3.5" jack as a dongle?

@Knuckles-Fajita
November - Pokemon Let's Go Be Divisive
December - Super Smash Bros. 4 Ultimate Edition

I fixed it for you

@JaxonH Yeah, eople do often forget that "gamers" come pre-loaded with a whole bunch of knowledge learned over years or decades of gaming that anyone coming in from outside don't have. Things we take intuitively are mysteries of the cosmos to people that haven't been doing it for years. And even gamers fail their own gamer-sense. My ranting in the XC2 thread is a beautiful example. I've been a dedicated RPG nut for years bot the lack of explanations and leaps of logic to understand systems in that game absolutely confound me......but plenty of people in that thread found it all perfectly intuitive to use systems taht I didn't even understand existed or how they work (or that they were even useful.) Imagine someone that hasn't payed every DQ, FF, and SMT since the late 90's jumping into that mess!