Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Honestly if they aren’t gonna take it seriously then they have no business charging for it imo. @Grumblevolcano

@Grumblevolcano might be right.

You need to ask yourself if the service as is at the current price has value to you.

"Economic value is a measure of the benefit provided by a good or service to an economic agent. It is generally measured relative to units of currency, and the interpretation is therefore "what is the maximum amount of money a specific actor is willing and able to pay for the good or service"?"

In your financial situation with your disposable income, does the online service have value to you at it's current price for what it offers?

If yes, buy it. If not, don't. But don't force your choice on others.

Imagine if someone had control of your bank account and what you should spend the money you earned on what they think is valuable. That's for you to decide as an individual and for no one else to influence nor for you to influence what anyone else perceives as value.

@Therad

You're right, it is a lot more than that. And not just the picture but anything portable is naturally very limited in terms of processing power. It's also marketing, when it comes to power and resolutions, at which point the law of diminishing returns is negated to a degree anyway.

I really like the Switch, it suits Nintendo perfectly. But I think it's hugely fanciful to extrapolate that into being perfect for everyone else. It's as fanciful as those who think Nintendo should put out a tethered system.

And that's before we get onto the effects of mobile gaming on the handheld console market, restrictions of battery tech etc.

If enough people are willing to pay for it they have every right to charge for it.

He mentioned something similar in a Eurogamer article:

"Well, back in the day, a leak emerged from the Foxconn factory where the Switch was being manufactured. In some respects, the information provided was inaccurate - it put forward the idea of a much more powerful processor - but elsewhere, specifically in terms of the physical description of the machine and its innards, it proved 100 per cent accurate. And there is discussion in that leak of an 'advanced dev kit', which appears to feature 8GB of RAM, and a processor that's about the same size as the GP106 Nvidia chip found inside the GeForce GTX 1060. And on top of that, another processor - about the same size as the Switch's Tegra - is also described.

Assuming this isn't fantasy, this dev kit sounds rather like a completely integrated version of the existing Switch and a potential supplemental computing device - all in one developer-friendly device. The retail version would simply be a replacement dock for your Switch. To keep things simple, the Switch's GPU could be powered down completely, allowing for higher CPU performance in order to drive richer visuals, backed by additional cloud resources."

...so perhaps the theory is that, if they put enough tech in the Dock, the USB-C limitations could be worked around? - but even if, with some wonder of engineering, it were possible - we're still not talking about gains that would bring parity with rival consoles ("we'd still be looking at an under-powered processor set-up when compared to a prospective SCD's graphics unit. Multi-platform ports would, in some respects, still be out of reach.") ..so, aside from sharpening up the image a bit (which would perhaps be reasonably attractive for those with particularly large displays?) - I struggle to see what the appeal would be?

I think they'd be far better off just riding the Switch wave for as long as possible - then maybe bringing out a 'Switch 2' with updated internals, upgraded connections and perhaps a 'Power Dock' that'd actually bring something tangible to the table (4K?) (..assuming that they'll stick with the 'hybrid' concept - which I sure hope they will!)

Very interesting to see the relative power consumption of the current gen consoles - really puts things in to perspective! ..what a marvellous little machine Nintendo have created!

I made it safely to the beach last night but after driving for ten and a half hours I was too tired to post in the thread, so I just went to bed. Looking back on recent posts, looks like I made the right choice. Yeesh, guys.

@TheLobster Oh nice, enjoy.

But really, the threads I was following were just completely DEAD. Last evening I was checking back periodically, but no one has been saying a word of anything lol.

Anyways, I'll be paying for the online personally. The family plan seems like a steal lol. With enough people you can cut the costs down to Pokemon Bank costs.

Speaking of Pokemon Bank, it wouldn't surprise me if they made that accessible without the online subscription (though you'd still need the Bank sub).

True. Nintendo has every right to do whatever with their online. And I have every right to criticize it and not support it if I don’t think it’s good. @electrolite77

@Therad Ah that's what I thought. Got rid of my Desktop gaming computer a good while back due to lack of use and no space. Have newish Laptop but not sure how well it would work - streaming to TV. Had kind of hoped you could sort of buy a Steam Box/console thingy and just plug that into your TV and play stuff. Assuming I probably looked into this a long time ago and hit the same snag and therefore moved on and then vaguely remembered I was interested to see if I could actually get access to my Steam games library without having to game on a Desktop/Laptop again. A perpetual cycle for me most likely ☺️

You can of course just plugin a computer to the TV. Steam link is more for the gamer that sometimes want to sit in the couch without the hassle of moving the PC.

@WebHead

Correct. And not pay for it.

@Therad If I lived alone, I'd do it in a heart beat. Alas, I think my TV/media centre is clustered enough for the Mrs. tastes already. Plus, I have young children with curious hands, lol!

Will file it away in the grey matter for a future endeavour 👍

Alwa's Awakening is heading to Switch
https://nintendoeverything.com/alwas-awakening-landing-on-swi...

@rallydefault
Also - who buys anything these days when it's not on sale

That is 110% irrelevant and just proves that you don't even know what you're talking about.

Doesn't matter if people only buy stuff on sale- that's beside the point. The point is that until the price is exactly the same as current mechanical hard drives are now then is going to be more expensive for them to implement. You follow? So just because it goes on sale for $50, that means nothing. No matter how you slice it, it's going to cost them more until the prices are equivalent. Or at least until future prices are equivalent with standard HDD prices today, where they can produce a console with the exact same permanent costs of today.

And no, I won't be proven wrong. Again, you come find me whenyou can get a standard m.2 42mm SSD for $50 normal price in the next 5 years. I can promise you... you won't. In fact the idea in itself is ludicrous

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As you can see, prices aren't even decreasing... They're increasing! 18 month historical trend of increasing prices. Yet somehow, you assert those prices will be slashed by 80% in just 5 years? Please stop. And this, this is just average SSD price. The small, compact ones for portable devices are the most expensive kind on the market. Considerably more expensive than the average of all SSD types.

@JaxonH
There is currently a NAND shortage. Short term trends aren't very predictive atm

Price drop on South Park Fractured But Whole- $39.99 on Amazon. Wow. That was super quick. Game hasn't even been out a month yet. While sales do seem to be better than I initially feared, this does perhaps suggest the game did not sell quite as well as they were hoping. Either way it's a great deal for anyone who hasn't picked it up

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BBDZGTN/ref=ox_sc_sfl_ti...

@skywake
That's true, but it's not going to make some radical difference. All that will mean is that the prices will actually fall some. Which no one disputes prices will fall over time. They will. But they're not going to fall that far that soon. The 512gb m.2 42mm SSD I just paid $340+ for isn't going to be $49.99 by the end of this generation. It's just not.

@JaxonH A much better price point, but reports of game-breaking bugs make me hesitant to invest in it. When and if they patch the worst of the bugs, though, I'm definitely buying this.

@Ralizah
They did announce they're working on a patch, so it shouldn't be too long.

Really though it's the one side quest you want to avoid. My friend is almost done with the game, and never had any issues but he knew to avoid that optional quest from the start.

But yeah hopefully they will release the patch soon