I can't think of a better time in Nintendos recent history where it has been more perfect to announce the release of Mother 3. Nintendo's riding high and an E3 that blows minds this year could take the Switch to the next level and Mother 3 could be a big part of that. Lots of people probably thought wed never see Star Fox 2 right until they announced it for the SNES mini
I somehow doubt virtual console stole away sales from third parties.
I mean, it's not like many people go to a store and say "well they don't have regular milk, so I'll go buy expensive imported almond milk instead". They will probably just not consider the almond milk at all because they wanted regular milk to begin with.
At the same time, people who want almond milk won't get distracted by the regular milk.
Unless Nintendo chooses to throw 3rd parties under a bus and release VC the same way they did on Wii/Wii U, it seems hopeless.
I think you're overstating the VC impact on 3rd parties. Can't quote any figures right now but I'm sure there were games that did well, e.g. Shovel Knight. If the ports are good, released simultaneously across platforms, and priced similarly, a decent amount of sales will follow. There are several bigger reasons certain 3rd party games might have struggled on Wii/U than VC.
VC would not have harmed the likes of Rocket League, Minecraft and Stardew Valley on Switch, because they were good ports of great games.
You guys had me at blood and semen.
What better way to celebrate than firing something out of the pipe?
Nintendo is the only one who never really congratulates, but I think their conservative, tight lipped approach has a lot to do with that. I did see that dude in the treehouse (kind of mid skinned, he looked like half black and half white or something like that) talk about owning every console and he seems like such a cool dude.
I feel like Reggie is beholden to the Japanese higher ups. He can't ever really say anything without permission first. Kinda feel bad for the guy. He takes a lot of flak and can't ever respond properly. Like Metroid. He knew Metroid was in the works, and he had all these people pestering him about it, but couldn't talk. Finally he told somebody "ask me again this time next year". And that's when I knew they had a game in development. People don't give him enough credit but he's really good with speaking between the lines. But obviously that means you have to read between the lines. Which is why I know we are getting cloud saves. He made a similar comment "wouldn't that be SO nice!". You're not going to say that about a feature you're not offering. Wouldn't that be SO nice? Ya, but we're never gonna do it, sorry.
Nintendo is the only one who never really congratulates, but I think their conservative, tight lipped approach has a lot to do with that. I did see that dude in the treehouse (kind of mid skinned, he looked like half black and half white or something like that) talk about owning every console and he seems like such a cool dude.
I feel like Reggie is beholden to the Japanese higher ups. He can't ever really say anything without permission first. Kinda feel bad for the guy. He takes a lot of flak and can't ever respond properly. Like Metroid. He knew Metroid was in the works, and he had all these people pestering him about it, but couldn't talk. Finally he told somebody "ask me again this time next year". And that's when I knew they had a game in development. People don't give him enough credit but he's really good with speaking between the lines. But obviously that means you have to read between the lines. Which is why I know we are getting cloud saves. He made a similar comment "wouldn't that be SO nice!". You're not going to say that about a feature you're not offering. Wouldn't that be SO nice? Ya, but we're never gonna do it, sorry.
[removed]
C'mon, relax please. He wasn't trying to be offensive.
Nintendo are going to have to shake up and come up with a new idea for Virtual Console. They know they won't get away charging people for the umpteenth time for the same games. I can see a subscription type service tied into the paid online. They'll continue to sell the SNES and NES Classic Mini systems. The Gamecube VC games will be new to the VC service so Nintendo don't have to worry about people transferring their games over from an older system, losing potential new sales. So I can see them being sold in the traditional manner we've been used to up until now. Anyway, it's dreadful that they haven't talked about it and the 1st anniversary is barely over 2 weeks away. And the likelihood is they still won't talk about it for some time yet.
How about a different take? Holiday 2018's Classic Mini ends up being the GBA (containing a variety of GB, GBC and GBA games) and has Mother 3 as one of the games, exclusive to the GBA Classic Mini like Star Fox 2 was to the SNES Classic Mini. Then Holiday 2019's Classic Mini ends up being the N64.
Nah, I think VC definitely impacted sales. It's not the only factor in play, but it's definitely a big one. When they are dropping 2-3 VC games every week, those are games people will buy no matter what. Just look at Super Mario Bros Arcade Archive. And they will buy it at the expense of anything else on the table. Some people have enough money to buy both. So it's not like those games sales would just completely plummet, but they would decrease. And if they decrease enough to no longer be that impressive, it could stop the influx of developers rushing to mine gold.
Switch is doing much better so sales will be improved across the board. But $15 a week on 2 VC titles is like $60 a month. Believe me, there are a lot of people that would, as a result, buy less indies. Maybe not the major ones- Rocket League, Minecraft, these are well insulated. But for all the rest... they would be in direct competition with VC. The games are practically identical in some cases. 8 and 16 bit pixel art style side scrolling games...
Nintendo would certainly counter this by releasing a very slow drip feed. One game every two weeks maybe. A slow enough rate so as to have negligible impact on other games.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@Grumblevolcano That would explain why they've been more freely mentioning the Mother 3 speculation for the last few years, instead of flat out ignoring it.
@JaxonH And Zelda and Mario compete with games like Skyrim too, but they're not going to hold back on those titles either. I think VC has some kind of impact, because every game that costs money is competing with other games in some way, but it also sounds like a weird artificial system to keep their older games off their console, just to ensure some indie games don't completely bomb. Even though it sounds like people would prefer Nintendo's older titles over said indie games. I can only ask why?
It has nothing to do with what I like or what I prefer, this is just an observation.
It is absolutely paramount that Nintendo get third parties to support their system. One only need look at sales of 3rd party games on Switch vs Wii U, 3DS or Wii (any platform that was selling VC) to see the stark contrast. Sure, you can cherry pick a dozen games on any platform that did well, but you have to look at the big picture.
And this is not a theory, this is proven economic fact. People have X amount of disposable income. By monopolizing the digital storefront, they do so at the peril of third party sales. And this has been observed for years- thankfully we now have a direct comparison to make with a Nintendo platform that is not selling VC.
Furthermore, it's the fear of failing to build a healthy third-party market more than anything else. Which is why I believe, if they do bring games, they will do it two years into the console lifespan after a third-party market has already been established. Because once you get people buying those games and they see how good they are, they are much more likely to continue buying them even when there is competition. Open the floodgates with VC right away, and that's all anyone will focus on.
Business tactics are not elementary. People go to schools for years to learn how to properly manipulate situations like this to their advantage.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
With x disposable income you are meant to put needs before wants. With the remainder for your wants.
And if faced with a VC library of proven quality, memories for many consumers and so on or third party titles with unproven quality and dodgy business practices held within, which are they more likely to want?
Now Playing: Mario & Luigi Brothership, Sonic x Shadow Generations
Now Streaming: The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom
Forums
Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread
Posts 24,021 to 24,040 of 69,785
Please login or sign up to reply to this topic