@TheLastLugia: That was like 90% of first party. nostalgia is fine, but with a more powerful now HD console with a new advanced controller I expected some more creativity. I imagine HD development hurdles hurt that. Wii U first party, as high quality as it was, was mostly safe sequels/bigger versions of 3DS games.
@WebHead: oh well that's fine then, seems like it's just your own problem. Shame too, as I'd say that a huge majority of the industry is not 'creative' and most companies are relying on 'safe sequels' too, not just Nintendo. I mean, it was literally just a couple of weeks ago that Sony released a game that couldn't have been more 'nostalgia bait' if it tried (Ratchet & Clank) and it got critical acclaim. And from what I can see (not got it myself) it was well deserved, as it has pleased lots of people. And then you've got the same old CoD, Ubisoft open world games, Battlefield, space-marine-dude-bro shooters etc. Is all that creative to people and am I the odd one out or something?
It always baffles me this nostalgia bashing against Nintendo as if they're the only ones capable of doing it. I mean, how many chances are given to Final Fantasy? And XIII got great reviews and it was garbage.
It's sorta got to a point where 'nostalgia' is yet another word used to criticise games that has barely any meaning and is just a substitute for 'I don't like such-and-such-a-thing'. Shame too, because as I say I think it's great when done correctly. I find it hard to see why it's a massive issue.
@TheLastLugia: Tbh that's why i hope AR, VR, and whatever NX's new concept is to take off. as much as i like ps4, gaming is getting stale. I want things to be shaken up again.
@Aethradon: I still fail to see how your critique is relevant to this particular community at all. Most regular posters here have their expectations heavily in check, and want to see Nintendo reach a wide audience just like you want.
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@TheLastLugia: I mean, that's all well and good, but you're just pointing out the same game series that everybody does when they talk about rehashes and the lack of creativity.
Yes, we get it - a new Call of Duty, Battlefield, Madden, and now Destiny clone will come out every year. Nobody is arguing that. But for every game franchise that fits that description, there is a game (or more) with brand-new concepts coming out all the time on the other consoles and/or PC. Heck the PC space sees more creativity than ALL of the consoles put together just by nature of how open the environment is. So, there will always be those big, eye-catching names that seem to support that idea that a "huge majority" of games companies, as you say, rely on rehashes, but I really don't think it's true. I just think it's the BIGGEST game companies like Ubi and EA that do that stuff. I think there are MORE companies, no matter how small, that put out creative and new stuff.
But I agree with your assertion that nostalgia isn't bad. Take a game like Stardew Valley. It's really just throwing it back to Harvest Moon, but it's a freakin' awesome game. I don't think people should "nostalgia bash" Nintendo - I don't think people should "nostalgia bash" any company, really, because they are ALL guilty of doing it. But they are also ALL "guilty" of putting new stuff out there.
I wasn't strictly talking about quantity. Quality of Wii U's library is very inconsistent. There's a lot of garbage on Wii U. But yes, there will be a lot of software coming in year 1. I think people will be pleasantly surprised.
Thought this would help dispel the worry some people have shared that the NX would not have quality games.
I wasn't strictly talking about quantity. Quality of Wii U's library is very inconsistent. There's a lot of garbage on Wii U. But yes, there will be a lot of software coming in year 1. I think people will be pleasantly surprised.
@shaneoh: So.. in terms of quality, and she thinks that there's a lot of 'garbage' on the Wii U. Therefore, it doesn't mean anything, as it can mean a lot of things.
@Aethradon How would she know about the quality of these so-called Nintendo video games if no one has played them yet?
She most likely knows way more than she is letting on is why. /facepalm
Last time I say this. I'll just start linking to this post each time it's brought up now:
Firstly, whether you believe the rumors or not is your decision. As an example, I have a relative that doesn't give two ****s about the NX right now. He doesn't even know anything about the console because that's how much he doesn't care or bother to read into it. Even when it's PR speak. Instead, he lets the 'actual' console reveal and games showcase do the talking. This is how people should treat rumors and speculation logically if they can't place their trust in people, but it just isn't so.
(Disclaimer: Not speaking for her in the rest of this paragraph, though. This is all my point of view.)
Since she has been back on Twitter, it seems her (correct) mindset this time around on the NX is rather different than back with the Wii 2/Project Cafe rumors along the lines of, "Why should I give a bunch of information subject to change in the future to the same people who rushed to conclusions and cherry-picked to suit their own personal agenda?"
And, you know what? I'm not beating around this bush anymore either. It's time to be as blunt as I can be on these forums. I mean...it's the purpose of a rant anyways, and it is part of me being on-topic here.
I'm sick of seeing people rushing at Emily with pitchforks and torches when she is incorrect on anything.Because it's 'deeefinitely not' like we're human. It's 'deeefinitely not' like we get things wrong at times. Jeez, people. I'm not saying this to white knight either. I'm talking in general about anyone with a history of leaking any specific information that did come true about consoles in the past. It's so unbelievably wrong because it's only done so people can have something to shove in their face:
"Hurp-durp! See?! I knew it! You're nothing but a phony! Don't ever trust anything he/she says again!"
^ That's the nicest I can put it. Because the things I've seen in comment sections on these gaming sites are far worse.
It doesn't end there, though. That same type of hate and negligence there then latches onto someone else, then the next person, and so forth. It becomes a chain of hatred that targets anyone who seems to know a thing-or-two. What does that accomplish? NOTHING! So, what happens then? They choose to remain tight-lipped. Why should they do otherwise and make matters worse than they already are?
These people are human beings that you are insulting. They're people like you and me that have hearts. You don't think they'd get stressed or anxious from the **** they have to hear from a lot of people on a daily basis? Is that your goal? To make them feel like **** all the time? And, you have the gall to call yourself a good samaritan, just because? It's sickening!
As people have stated in the past, if you have an issue with someone or something "CUZ RUMORZ/SPOILERZ," then don't look at it, don't listen to it, and be on your merry way. Otherwise, you're just contributing to the problem rather than stopping it.
Just because the Final Boss of a game in a playthrough is available to watch on YouTube, does that mean you HAVE to watch it if it's a game you don't want spoilers on? Of course not. Same logic applies here. Don't like it? Don't bother with it. You don't need to voice anything to avoid spoilers. Both spoilers and rumors are marked as such anyways, and if they're not, it's just a bad news site. Beginning to think we should just have "Rumor" tags like we do on "Spoilers" for forums like these for that same very reason.
The sad part is that these people who have actual insiders that 'do' know what they're talking about have to just sit there and 'take it.' No one wants to come out of the woodwork and really stand up for them when 1-2 of their rumors are wrong out of the 10 things they leaked, as an example. So, what is 'the' most rational thing for the leakers to do?
Not say anything at all.
Look at what happened to Trevelyan9999 (SuperMetalDave64) as the most prime example.
Trust me, I would do the same thing in their position.
Next thing you know, people are over-hyping themselves over "my Uncle works at Nintendo" leaks from your every day Tom, Dick, and Harry. You know what happens afterwards? Rumors of a platform become like an elementary school gala with all of its kids at recess 24/7. It's an eyesore, to say the least, for anyone involved in the industry.
My other issue is how people purposely distort the messaging these folks have at times. Important parts get overlooked and the content gets heavily misrepresented:
Wii U Daily: "Emily Rogers says Wii U drought caused by NX"
^ NO SHE DIDN'T! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
People were quick to jump on 10k's case as well, but there are a LOT of people not seeing the fact that not all of what he said was wrong. People dismiss 'all' of the information in his leaks as speculation. It's not. There were parts of his post that other trusted sources of information, such as Trev and Emily Rogers, pointed out as something they also heard from their own sources. A main focal point there was that the NX would see ports of Zelda 2016 and Smash 4, for instance.
As Emily Rogers and others have stated, it's not the issue that 10k's information was wrong: it was that his sources lied to him and he speculated for a good portion of his T1 and T2 rumors that were supposed to be leaks otherwise. Then, he took information that ZhugeEX had previously posted on Twitter, and he tried to make it sound like something he heard through the grapevine himself. What Emily Rogers stated with the supposed 'gimmick' rings true: Kimishima said, to repeat myself again, the NX is not another Wii or Wii U. It didn't make any sense what 10k said there with the NX having another Wii U-like gamepad that acts as a "dummy Vita." Why would the NX be a Wii U 2 after what Kimishima said? Nintendo would have zero integrity if they just said "Welp! Let's lie to people and then just release a Wii 3!"
You remember the Xbox One reveal's PR disaster? Uhh...yeah. We know how well that played.
I'm done on those specific topics covered above in this comment here on this thread. I'm not talking about that anymore on this site. If anyone else questions another leak from a trusted source of information on the NX, I'll just link them to this post instead.
Also, I'm not going to go over the quality argument here. Why? Because this post is already too long for people to bother reading, apparently, and people "Won't bother reading long posts because, hey, what the hell does this loser guy 'Aethradon' know about anything? He's clearly just white-knighting."
^ Nope. Not the case. I've just chosen to take the route on that matter to "Not say anything at all."
@Aethradon: I agree with you, but I don't get why you're throwing your tantrum here? Out of all the Nintendo communities on the web I find this to be the most peaceful and respectful and I think most that frequent these forums would agree with you. I may of course be blind to hate and lack of respect, but I really don't see it.
@AlliMeadow: It's just me speaking of people in general, as I mentioned. Not anyone in particular. There's really no other community I'd rather post this on as Reddit would be the only other major choice, personally, and I don't use that site.
So I wouldn't really call it a tantrum. A rant is more about what is logical vs. illogical, a tantrum is just insane and full of stuff illogical. lol
I just don't like it when people try to find any opportunity to find the slightest fault that really isn't there, especially in the case of anything that is a rumor. I'd be a hypocrite for not saying that, yes, I'm at fault for that too in a different way by stating people should not get themselves too over-hyped and instead focus on the software potential of the NX, though I did label that as such as a rant, in the OP and my previous comment, and it is what a rant is about: being blunt and going off about something that is getting on your nerves.
It's just the cherry-picking to skew the meaning of text that wasn't there that I don't like. In the same blog post, Emily touched on the improved harmony development teams had. Pretty sure that's all she needed to say.
You can say that the quality of a console's games will be much better in a post like that, but if you do, everyone will expect that...and quality is a trait that is subjective. Quantity is something you can better communicate as a fact that fans can get excited about really.
Not saying that's why she left it out for sure, but it could be the case.
I'd have no problem if it were stickied, but there would probably have to be a number of edits made to it first to make it possible; some parts of it were related to the "quality vs. quantity" discussion there, as an example.
I might just re-post it on my blog when I get around to starting it back up over the weekend instead and post the link to it here if anyone ever needs to reference it.
Bumped. I'm glad I posted this topic when I did as it is now more relevant than ever to Nintendo's current situation with the NX.
I think the way they presented the release info for the NX and Zelda perfectly paints the picture for why we should be focusing our attention on the NX because of its focus on attaining long-lasting support on the software side of things; instead of focusing on hardware, it'd be wiser for us to focus on the true problem at hand that Nintendo has even brought to light with the Wii U themselves: the lack of quality software. Speculation was getting too out of hand, and Nintendo has finally cleared the lot of it up with their F.L.U.D.D. 2.0.
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