Topic: Super Mario 3D All-Stars

@status-204 Well, it's Nintendo, they have been releasing overpriced ports since they released the Switch, with no cross-buy or anything to make up for it. They just want to squeeze their fans dry.

@status-204
It all depends on perspective. Are definitely examples of games that got a better treatment for the same money or less.

On the other hand, there are plenty of examples of games that got the exact same treatment or less for more money.

PS2 games sell for $20 on PS4, without any changes aside from resolution. Rayman 3D was $40 and had no changes aside from 3D. Xbox games cost up to $20 on X1 (although they do output in 4K at least, but that’s very similar to these out putting in 1080p because it’s the max the system can do). And that’s the same price we have here. $20/game. And not just $20 a game, but $20 a game where 2 of them look as good as modern Switch games (thanks to the art style). So those games feel like $60 games because they look like modern games. At least to me. Also, each situation is different. Tony Hawk games needed to be remade. Nearly all the Mario games already look remade, Because they looked so good to begin with, and thanks to the art style. It feels like they’re remakes because they look almost the same as any other Switch games. These are things that have to be considered- people judge on the end product of what they see, not how much technical work was done. If a game looks like a modern switch game then people are going to value it the same as if it was a remake. Most people, anyways.

So it just depends on your perspective and the example you decide to cherry pick. Just because one game offers more value doesn’t mean another game doesn’t offer value. It doesn’t mean another game isn’t worth it. It just means that one offers more value or is more worth it (on an apples to apples comparison at least, which doesn’t always work because different games appeal to people in different ways).

@Grumblevolcano
I certainly hope so. I want as many Zelda and Mario games on switch as possible. In fact I want as many back catalogue games on the system as possible, regardless. I would be very happy if we got Twilight Princess and Windwaker as a Mario styled collection, and then Skyward Sword similar to 3D World. I think I’d rather play Ocarina and Majoras Mask on 3DS though. But I really hope they don’t have frame rate issues like Zelda: Link’s Awakening did. That really killed my enjoyment.

@status-204
I’ll agree with that. Mario 64 doesn’t hold up that well (at the same time I don’t think it’s the worst looking game).

But see, I don’t justify price based on “how much work they did”. That is inconsequential to me. It would be like if a magician waved his wand and a car appeared out of nowhere and I said well, I’m not paying $20k for that car because “You didn’t do enough work”. I don’t care how much work they did, all I care about is what I’m getting for my money. And when I look at this collection, there’s no way I’m passing up these games for $20 each on a hybrid handheld system that offers double value for each and every game on the system. How much work they put into it is completely irrelevant to how I value it, which is based on how good the games are, how good they look and run, and what the alternatives are for playing on other systems. I don’t want to have to get out of Wiimote and nunchuck every time I play Mario Galaxy. Nor do I want to have to fire up dolphin every time I want to play Sunshine. And I’ll never even play Mario 64 unless it’s on the switch. In truth I probably won’t play any of them unless they’re on the switch.

Having said that, I don’t think it’s beyond criticism by any means. If you feel it deserves criticism then you should criticize it. With that said, however, I also think it’s fair for ideas to engage, and if someone feels it’s not worth criticizing, or rather, doesn’t see it as a binary issue but as a scale of 1 to 10, and it only warrants a 2/10 on the criticism scale which is deemed technically warranting criticism but practically not worthwhile, I think it’s fair to engage in debate over that. I think it’s fair to say this is why I feel the way I do and don’t agree.

Even if I conceded it could be better, I think disappointment is a very strong word. I would be disappointed if Nintendo stopped making video games tomorrow and decided to go all in on merchandise, or if they announced they were done releasing games on the Nintendo switch and were just going to coast on Evergreen titles for the next four years. Those are things that would instigate disappointment in Nintendo as a whole. A collection of 3 of the best games ever made in one $60 package playable in handheld or on the TV doesn’t even begin to register on the disappointment dial for me, for either the game or the company as a whole. But, then again I knew exactly what to expect. The leaks said this is what it would be, and this is what it is, so it has met my expectations precisely. If it’s just a matter of price, in an age of $70 new games and multiple $50 season passes, micro transactions and $500 worth of cosmetic DLC, I can’t say I’m disappointed in the pricing either.

You have the right to. Or not. I forgot.

We all hate Nintendo but love them at the same time.

Not all of us as you can see but the ones that do are sensible and intelligent people 😉.

@LetsaGO Yeah I agree. You can cancel your pre-order now so if you really don't want it just cancel. Save you 60$.

I for one think 2020 was an okay year, it just seemed worse because of 1. no Nintendo Directs, 2. Nintendo was keeping quiet, and 3, they were teasing us with these crappy Partner Showcases. Which, by the way, was the #1 worst thing to do, when your fanbase wants AAA games and you give them these other less professional games.

Not that the games were bad by any means, -although most were-, it's just the fans stupidly expected something bigger, causing them to overhype and get disappointed. Don't mean to offend anybody, that's just my take on the whole ordeal.

@status-204
That’s completely fair. I’m just pointing out that it’s not the only comparison you could make. It’s a fair comparison but comparing to a PS4 games for $20 is also equally as fair of a comparison. It’s also not half the price, it’s $40 for 2 games which is $20 per game. But again, my argument was never that there are not examples of collections where you get more for your money.

But you make a good point with Spyro- and that is, that regardless of the effort put in there is little correlation to value because you could put all the effort in the world into crap games and they would still be high effort crap games, meanwhile you could put in a little to no effort by just porting games but if they’re amazing games that’s going to be worth far more to me than those crap games with a lot of effort. Now, I’m not saying Tony Hawk is crap- I love those games, I’m just making a point that the value of a game depends on more than the effort.

I disagree that they don’t care about their own legacy. If they didn’t care about their own legacy they wouldn’t be releasing this in the first place. I think expecting game cube controller support just because it’s a game cube game is an unreasonable expectation just because we have one example of a game that did so. Smash used a 3DS as a controller too, but I wouldn’t expect to see other games implement the 3DS as a controller also. Game cube is now three generations old. Expecting support for that just seems a little... overly ambitious. I’m not faulting you if that’s what you wanted to see but personally I don’t really care. I’m gonna play with a Pro controller anyways.

I also don’t see it as a cheap scheme, I see it as a awesome collection that they didn’t have to make but they did to honor Mario’s anniversary. It’s not a scheme when it’s the consumers choice whether they want to buy it. If I purchase it it’s not because I got schemed or scammed as if I’m some helpless idiot who can’t make my own decisions, I purchase it because I see that game being worth more to me than the $60 in my wallet. Plain and simple. And that is how the free market itself works. If they make a product consumers want to buy and consumers choose to buy it then obviously the product was good enough for millions of people to decide they would rather have it than the money in their pocket. And again, that’s not to say you have to buy it. If you feel they should improve over this and you want to vote with your wallet to send that message then I wholeheartedly support you in that endeavor. But as for myself I will be playing these games a week from Friday.

They moved the title over to fit rating

@Apportal
I agree with your assessment. The partner showcases have been a disaster.

And the psychology of this comes down to the hierarchy of basic needs. Until a persons basic needs are met they don’t care about all the other stuff. Fans were starving for big 1st party announcements (or big 3rd party announcements actually pertaining to this year), and until those needs are met, all the other little announcements and future titles for 2021 are going to fall on deaf ears. Every single partner showcase highlighted the distinct lack of big first party announcements. And until Nintendo addressed that, everything else was going to be received poorly.

And as you said, it’s not that the games were bad- Shin Megami Tensei V was the motherlode of announcements, yet even that game saw a lot of pushback in what should have been a purely positive response. Hopefully they’ve learned their lesson from this basic marketing 101 blunder.

@1UP_MARIO Isn't that the horrendous German logo?

@BlueOcean I just hope my copy is not like that.

@1UP_MARIO It's almost as big as the collection logo 😆.

I don't mind that they didn't fully remaster Mario 64 like they did with Spyro. I kinda like the look, it's part of the game. However, I do think that because they didn't have to redo them, they should've included Galaxy 2 as well. I've pre-ordered the game, because they're among my favourite games, and €20 per game isn't too bad. However, it's true that other compilations are often cheaper, include more games (Rare Replay anyone?), or are completely remade from scratch, like the Spyro trilogy. So in that regard it's minimum effort from Nintendo. It's ''just enough''.

@1UP_MARIO Yeah, that's USK, the German rating system. They're awful. I don't understand why it needs to be so big.

There's the UK version ....

Proof that Brexit was worth the trouble! ;p

@Octane They don't even have an excuse for not including Super Mario Galaxy 2 because they announced Super Mario 3D World port the same day. Rare Replay includes 30 games and was cheaper at launch. Crash Bandicoot N.sane Trilogy includes 3 remakes, Spyro Reignited Trilogy too, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 2 remakes, Master Chief Collection 6 remasters, The Nathan Drake Collection 3 remasters... All of them are cheaper than this and have been crafted much more carefully.

Japan’s box art

@BlueOcean Yeah, the more I think about it, the worse it becomes lol.