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VoidofLight

@Grumblevolcano Orrr they’re just playing it safe this year, since Masuda got harassed off the internet in 2019 due to the national dec controversy. They wouldn’t wait for a seitch revision to show more of BDSP, given it’s not that taxing on a normal switch.

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Jackpaza0508

A couple days ago, I was super bored so I decided to find renders for every single thing announced at nintendo's e3 and put them all into a collagey thingy (Idk what to really call it). It took a while to find all the renders but I did it in the end. Hope you like it!
For Cruis'n blast, I couldn't find a render so just took a car and put some fire in the exhaust lol
also if you're wondering where skyward sword is, skyloft is the background. it's very hard to see with all the renders haha
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@Jackpaza0508 Yeah looks great! Nice job.

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@Jackpaza0508 Oh that's brill!

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@Jackpaza0508 looks real nice

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ThanosReXXX

@skywake You're absolutely right: IT certainly IS a broad field, and anything can (and sometimes will) happen. I am more of a hardware specialist, though, so I'm definitely not looking at things from a software perspective. And besides that, it's just my personal view/opinion/assessment, whatever you want to call it, that it's not going to happen right now, and perhaps may not ever happen. Considering the success of the current models of Switch, they might even stretch it out a bit more and simply pour any design and/or hardware ideas of any potential Switch Pro into their next generation of hardware instead, who knows? It's Nintendo, after all.

As for those correctly predicted things: if I remember correctly (but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), that same person also "predicted" there being another Donkey Kong game, which should by now also have been revealed, and it obviously hasn't, and other rumors mentioned Switch versions of Windwaker and Twilight Princess, because of Zelda's anniversary, but all we got was the new teaser for Breath of the Wild and that Game & Watch handheld, which by the way was perfectly fine by me, since I wasn't expecting a slew of Zelda games anyway, so whether or not that prediction of "a lot of Zelda stuff coming" is true, also still remains to be seen.

Either way, as mentioned, in the end, it's just my opinion/view, and as with all personal sentiments, it might be incorrect, but for now, I feel I can confidently stand by it, and if it turns out otherwise, I'll gladly admit I was wrong. It won't annoy, anger or disappoint me, seeing as it's just a snapshot I've taken of the situation so far, and things can and will change, as they always do.

On a side note: I never look at things with my eyes half open. That wouldn't really make for a very good track record in my line of work, and I usually also tend to apply the same eye for detail to the things I have an interest in or care for in my personal life.

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ThanosReXXX

@Jackpaza0508 That is some nice and creative patch work right there.

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Grumblevolcano

@VoidofLight Not for BDSP but if they were to show off Legends Arceus.

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skywake

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There were loads of "rumours" before E3. A lot of them were obvious BS. The Bloomberg/Emily Rogers stuff I wouldn't put into that group.

Also, on "they could put it all into Switch 2". What is a Switch successor? What's the point of that? As you said the Switch is doing well, all the more reason to do revisions and push out the idea of a successor into "future".

I think the Pro is real partly because of the Bloomberg stuff. But also because, from a Dev's perspective, delaying platform change as much as possible makes sense to me. Especially with a platform selling as well as the Switch.

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ThanosReXXX

@skywake Well, I didn't mean a Switch 2, what I meant is that they never really make the same thing twice, so new hardware was/is already in development, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a Switch-like device, regardless of that specific medium now being so successful. Again: it's Nintendo after all, and that is usually their way.

I definitely agree with you on delaying a platform change, or a new platform, for that matter, for several reasons, and obviously, it's also in line with my current view on things.

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kkslider5552000

I don't care about the Switch Pro thing I won't buy regardless of what it is or isn't, but I will say, it coming out in 2022 makes a lot of sense when you realize the rest of these 2021 games are not the most popular or massive games Nintendo has made. None of these games will need a Switch Pro in any way, nor showcase why you should buy it. So big games come out later and the Switch Pro goes more or less along with it. Makes sense to me.

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skywake

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I'm of the view that a "Switch Pro" is likely either this year or early next year. And that it makes sense to do that because a revision that's ~2-3x the spec allows them to sit on their hands longer. Let the Switch experiment extend out to 2026.

But if they don't do that? Well, how many consoles have lasted more than 7 years? Remember, the Switch is 5 years old early next year. People have talked precedent when discussing "Switch Pro", I see a successor that makes the Switch obsolete ~2024 if we don't get a Switch Pro. That's the alternative.

Frankly I prefer the revision model for hardware. I see no reason for dramatically changing things up. I see the Switch as what Nintendo has been heading towards for the last 20 years. This is the end game. Let's hope they extended it

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Balta666

@skywake a revision won't have 2-3x the specs. More likely under 1.5x (it would appears to be more because of higher fidelity due to dlss but do not expect to have games above 60fps for instance)

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skywake

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@skywake a revision won't have 2-3x the specs. More likely under 1.5x (it would appears to be more because of higher fidelity due to dlss but do not expect to have games above 60fps for instance)

I mean, to be fair to your point, it's hard to define differences in spec. Having more power is one thing the question is how much that power translates into real world performance. There will always be bottlenecks and not every load scales with additional power. With that said, the Switch uses a modified Tegra X1 SoC, first released in 2015. At the time the Switch launched this was the best Tegra SoC Nvidia had: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Tegra_X1

If they were doing a refresh now the most likely SoCs would be either Xavier which is pretty recent, about a year old now. At least double the memory bandwidth, if they go for the larger one about 4X. Tensor cores which is where you get DLSS. Raw GPU horsepower between 30% higher than the launch Switch (which is in the range of the current retail Switch) but upto 3X if they go all out. Likely they would go somewhere in the middle. These launched in 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Xavier

But it's not 2019, it's 2021. So it's possible they go with the next one up which would mean an Ampere based Tegra. Not much of a spec on this SoC yet because it's just in early sampling but Ampere is quite a leap in terms of efficiency over Volta. So potentially they could get well into the 2-3X range
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Orin

Also you have to kinda remember that tech improves exponentially. Generally we see just under a 10X boost in raw performance between console generations. It's been a good 5 years since the Switch launch, a 50% bump in spec just isn't what you do after 5 years. I mean I tend to build myself a new PC every 5 years, I'm certainly getting more than a 50% bump every time. This was my last upgrade, my budget was actually lower for the more recent one....
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-4590-vs-AMD-Ryz...

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Balta666

@skywake I agree with most of your points however I expect them to prioritize both overall cost and battery life. Imo a 2-3x improvement is not a mid-life revision but an overall successor and all games target at that would not run on the original (unless they go for a cloud only solution for those games on the OG).
But in the end I do not see Nintendo doing so at this time.

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link3710

Balta666 wrote:

all games target at that would not run on the original.

That's definitely not true. Weve had plenty of PS4 /XB1 ports, and a 2-3x boost in power would put docked mode only at around where those are, and portable mode even less.

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Balta666

@link3710 the games that could be ported from PS4 were already ported (and most of them were ports of the previous generation with remasters on the other systems)

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ThanosReXXX

@skywake I suppose that from a "success story" perspective, they'd be crazy not to continue on with the Switch form factor, which would ultimately indeed result in direct successor, such as a Pro or Switch 2, but I do remember their earlier statements, on wanting to stretch the Switch'es life cycle for at least a couple more years, which haven't passed yet.

Of course, that could be seen as "proof" that yet another revision, aka a "Pro" is imminent, or it simply means that they're going to stick to their guns and will simply keep the two models they have now. Of course, they HAVE done more than two iterations of a system before, but that was only with their 3DS handheld line, never with a main line console (I'm not counting the Wii Mini, because that had other reasons, and was actually a downgrade instead of a better version of the original).

But anyway, they still are their own entity, the people at Nintendo, and very rarely do they make decisions that make sense to us, the general, Western audience, so who knows what they'll come up with next. They're all about always finding "new ways to play", after all. And they're never afraid to take risks, something that I actually like and can appreciate about them.

I do agree with you on a personal level that they should probably stick with what works for them, but I also keep my expectations a bit low in that regard, so I'd tell anyone who's open-minded enough to the reality of all of this, that they should perhaps be prepared to be surprised. Or maybe, with its current president, they finally will see the light and won't take that many risks again, but we'll see.

On a side note: I saw you do the whole chip set layout and so on. Interesting read, by the way. But I'd dare to wager a bet that whatever chipset they'd use for any potential direct successor, it'll probably once again be a toned-down version of the original, much like how the current one in the Switch is a lighter, more restricted version of the one in the Nvidia Shield.

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link3710

@Balta666 ...what does that have to do with the idea that a Switch at that power couldn't have games cross-playable with the base model?

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