Topic: "3DS only, no buy" - but why?

@Octane They saod they want Nintendo to stop supporting the 3DS.

That would include patches, firmware updates, app support, and putting games through lotcheck, effectively barring thord party titles, as without that process no games can be released.

Heck, it would even include stuff like the DQ remakes and Monster Hunter Stories which Nintendo published.

Now you're getting a little pedantic. I think you know very well what they meant. We were talking about games like Metroid and the Pokemon VC releases made available on Switch as well.

@Octane Do you want to push that expectation on people?

Hey, i know youve been working on this game for over a year, what we are gonna do because some people on the internet said so, is have you redo it from scratch with HD assets instead which will likely lengthen development time, and we want your engine to work on our new system.

Yes I know youve been working on the game for months and have all these assets and code for the 3DS, but these people on the internet dont want that now, so we are going to throw away the investment and time we just spent on a 3DS version, make you work harder, spend more money necessitating more sales, and potentially require you to expand your workforce costing us MORE money. Oh and if you can have it by the same daye that'll be great.

Seriously people. Developers arent flaming magicians! Budgets arent endless. If the project was in development let it finish!

You know what, when the PS5 becomes a thing and you lot dont b**** about PS4 games still happening, or PSVR games still happening, then I'm calling foul.

Sure, Nintendo has a lot of developers. Intelligent Systems wrapped up on 3DS this year and moved on. Grezzo moved on this year. Good Feel moved on. EAD moved on. GameFreak are moving on.

The only 3DS games still happening are outsourced to third parties with funding and oversight from Nintendo, or habded to smaller internal satellite studios like Arzest.

Seriously, thats not taking away resources. Thats finishing what they started first. Im sure we would have lived FE Echoes on Switch but how realistic was that really? Also note that same studio someone juggled Colour Splash, Fates, Echoes and a new HD FE game. Funny how those 3DS games didnt eat resources back then.

@YummyHappyPills When they started development on Metroid, we already knew about the NX. Nintendo definitely knew about the Switch. It's not impossible to release a game on both systems. MHXX works as a 3DS port (that wasn't made from scratch either, and you know that too). And Metroid looks pretty good already, and it's obviously downscaled to fit the specs of the 3DS anyway. A cross release is not unreasonable. All I'm saying is that I would've bought it if it was available on the Switch. It's not, a shame I think, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

And to be fair, I don't think Sony would continue to develop exclusively for the PS4 once the PS5 is out. They released a few games on the PS3 after the launch of PS4: LBP 3, Entwined, Hohokum, and a couple of MLB games, etc. But they were all cross-platform. None were PS3 exclusive. The only PS3 exclusive games was GT6, but that game came out a mere week after the launch of PS4 in Europe and NA.

Anyway, like I said. I don't have an issue with it. I don't own a 3DS and I don't think those games are system sellers. However, IF they were available on a system I own (the Switch), I would've bought them gladly.

@Octane Judging by E3 2014 interviews, I think Samus Returns was in development before we knew about NX. There was talk back then about a 2D Metroid (which turned out to be Samus Returns) and a Metroid Prime (which turned out to be Federation Force).

@Grumblevolcano Sakamoto said they started working on it mid to late 2015. And that makes sense given the rumour that MercurySteam pitched a Metroid game for 3DS/Wii U to Nintendo in early 2015. The pitch was declined, but Nintendo asked them to co-develop Samus Returns later that year.

No Nintendo are doing right by the 3DS and it's user base. This is they right way to phase out a machine.

Would you have rather they do what MS did with the original xbox when 360 was on the horizon or how about the disaster which was the last 2 years of the original Wii.

Killing off a machine completely is never a good option.

@kobashi100 Again, I'm not saying they should abandon the 3DS right away, but why not focus on cross-platform titles, like MHXX and FE Warriors?

So, like I said before, I'd buy those games if they were available on the Switch. But they aren't.

@MarcelRguez But why not Metroid? Certainly if they could make a game like FE W available to both, they could've tried to release Metroid on the Switch as well.

For me the 3DS is another thing to keep charged, another thing to carry around for starters. Also, though I played for thousands of hours on the 3DS, I just don't like playing on that small, pixelly low res screen anymore. It doesn't feel retro like older systems, it just feels obsolete. Compared to the Switch, my phone and my tablet, the 3DS just looks bad. And that is because, even on the "New" versions, it's technology that is almost a decade old. And tech that wasn't top of the line when it was new even. I played through USUM on 3DS after months of playing the Switch and it was harder to enjoy because of being on obsolete hardware, small, low res screen. And it didn't even take advantage of 3DS unique features like Streetpass or 3D. Streetpass is my favorite unique feature on the device.

I am just ready to move on. But I understand why the 3DS still appeals to people who can't get a Switch.

I have a 3DS and Switch and I would never be annoyed at any game coming out for 1 and not the other. The Switch is primarily a home console to me, and not as comfortable to play on the train as the 3DS is. Not to mention the joy-cons are the worst part about the system, they come loose too easily, and I'm not going to take the risk of dropping my Switch out and about just because I wanted to reach for the volume....

P.S. anyone who doesn't think the 3DS is all but dead is wrong. It had a good life and it definitely has had 1 of if not the best closing years of any Nintendo system. 3DS' 2017 was unexpectedly great, and 2018 even beats the likes of the Wii, DS, Gamecube, N64, GBA, etc. That's something us 3DS fans can be happy about.

@eXtremeHippo

Some people move one. I remember when the PS4 came out some people were selling off their whole ps3 collection to have money for the new-gen games.
There is also people who buy games, play them and sell them to buy new games. Not everyone is attached to a brand, console etc.
Personally I wont sell my collection and will still buy 3ds games if they are good, or if the price is right if they are mediocre (waiting on a huge price drop for hey pikmin), hey, I even order Devils third recently, super cheap, new and sealed.

I think you're arguing with a strawman here. I'm not convinced that anyone in this thread is arguing against games coming to the 3DS. People are just saying that they're personally not interested in continuing to buy 3DS content. Others are saying that it might have made sense for some of these releases to also be on the Switch. I don't think either of these things are that crazy. And in any case what other people choose to buy or not buy doesn't impact you in the slightest.

Yes, it's not impossible to release a game on both systems, but it does require resources, which is something that people seem to forget.

"The idea that Nintendo wouldn't have had time to get a Switch version of Samus Returns out just doesn't add up. Not in a year when we got Odyssey and Breath of the Wild."

@skywayke But it does add up. They were investing resources in those major games and many others, they didn't need another one even if it was just a port. The Switch already had a great first year and having more good games would affect the developers negatively, who are competing against each other to sell their product in a market with heavy competition. Samus Returns was supposed to be the opportunity to revive the franchise, so looking to release it without competition on the 3DS wasn't a bad choice. Sure, the Switch was the new popular thing but back in 2015 when it started development this wasn't known, and even if it released on Switch predicting it's popularity it would have had to stand against franchises much more popular since Metroid had been forgotten. Just this year, the Switch already got : ARMS, Splatoon 2, Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Kart 8, Mario+ Rabbids, Xenoblade 2, Skyrim and many, many more. That doesn't give it a good chance of shining on the Switch either, at least this year. Also, the Switch is getting the prime entry, which actually needs the power of the new console. In other words, Nintendo wanted assured promotion with Samus Returns on the 3DS by not giving it competition and directing it to the portable with the biggest userbase so that people were ready for Prime 4 after the advertising was succesful, and at a lower cost of development.

Also, the thread was never limited to the people participating on it, but the general attitude that gamers are having towards the 3DS on this site, so @YumiHappyPills probably isn't just talking about the people on the thread. The creator of the thread couldn't understand why they can reject a game despite having the possibility o playing it (so it was clearly directed at people that own both consoles) just because it isn't on Switch, simple as that. He just wanted an explanation, and the first replies didn't even read his post because they were giving reasons like " what if they already sold their 3DS?" or "maybe they aren't interested in playing on 3DS anymore". He already knows that, he just wanted a better explanation of "why". To be honest, it also surprised me how a portable that seemed loved by almost everyone months ago suddenly became so obsolete and unbearable to play. Sure, the Switch is great and a clear upgrade but it isn't the greatest piece of hardware either.

Personally, I understand the reasons explained here so they don't need to be explained again, however I don't share them. If I have the chance to play something great because I own the console, I will but to each his own and I'm perfectly aware of that.

It does impact him , since as a 3DS owner, if people stop buying 3DS games the portable will stop receiving games. Of course, this is expected and people have no obligation of supporting it if they don't want to as it has been said many times , but it doesn't change that it does affect him and other 3DS users, hence why his thread is relevant even if it's just to satisfy curiosity.

Personally, I was also surprised by the negative comments that the 3DS entries had gotten recently, and also a bit annoyed since I'm aware that people have no obligation of considering other users, but it's definitely disheartening because some users even asked for the portable to "be killed". For those people: killing the 3DS suddenly wouldn't have any positive effect on Nintendo as a company or the Switch as the new console/portable. They already invested the resouces they wanted on the Switch.

You're talking about something different to me. I was simply saying that if Nintendo had wanted to they could have had Samus Returns on the Switch. It wouldn't have been impossible, it wouldn't have been a late change. Of course there are arguments for and against the whys for one decision or the other but lets not pretend that it would have been an impossibility.

And how much of that is you guys assuming what people are thinking? By definition people not in this thread aren't here to explain their position. It's like if you said all Australians are racist drunkards before a bunch of clearly sober non-racist Australians walk in the room. At which point all you can say is that you meant the other Australians, you know the ones that can't defend themselves. It's not a strong argument.

It's Schrodinger's development cycle. Long enough that they couldn't possibly change the system they're developing for multiple years in advance, short enough that they can pull support just because one guy on the internet said he wasn't buying it.

@skywake It isn't something different, I simply pointed out why they couldn't or wouldn't do a Switch Port. You were talking about them having the time, and I just said why it wasn't a matter of time but other aspects.

Because we aren't asuming anything... I talked about actual reactions on articles and I was referring to said people. Thats why they are he's asking people their reason behind it . If it makes you feel better add "some" to gamers. Anyone can defend himself/herself (if they were being attacked in the first place), hence why this thread exists. That wouldn't be a strong argument but it's not my argument to begin with. It also doesn't change the fact that he mentioned that he was talking about the people that he saw recently in articles on this site and what they were saying. You have no way of knowing if said people will end up participating in the thread, you just hope they do since their reasons are the ones he asked.

It's Schrodinger's development cycle. Long enough that they couldn't possibly change the system they're developing for multiple years in advance, short enough that they can pull support just because one guy on the internet said he wasn't buying it."

He actually said that he expected to get one on christmas, and I explained why it does affect him ( it clearly isn't just one guy affected by it, I also explained why), that's it. No one is asking for things to change, again, he just wanted a reason why. if someone doesn't see the point on a thread, said person shouldn't participate, that's it.

If they started making dual releases for every new 3ds title, I can still see people complaining that the 3ds version held back the switch version.

Apparently the New 3DS XL is discontinued in the EU.

Anyone else want to ask when its dying?

To make the focus on the New 2DS.

@roy130390
It's Chinese whispers. You're responding to me without reading what I was responding to. And then getting all worked up when I didn't cover points that weren't part of the original comment