Topic: Nintendo Switch 2

@JaxonH, you raise a lot of valid points. I can definitely see why someone would go for convenience and not having to have shelves full of physical media.

I still prefer physical media though, and I have a reason for it. The more time goes on, the less I trust tech companies to not mess with my stuff without my permission. I prefer to actually own as much of my media as possible. And because of that, I prefer to buy physical, even though for video games I was exclusively digital from 2023-2024, back when I was less paranoid about some things.

When I buy a digital Nintendo game, it is kinda just stuck in the Nintendo ecosystem. And sometimes the Nintendo ecosystem just gets randomly changed for no reason. And now that I've connected my console to the internet, and since I have refused to download the most recent update, any game I play, I have to press "start software" two different times, once for the initial warning, and second for the "data won't be saved to the cloud unless you update" warning. It's the same for any of my physical games too. Freaking pain. All of this is because I set up my Switch's internet and created a Nintendo Account so I could buy digital Nintendo games, but I refuse to update because of my slowly growing update paranoia (you can read more about that in my post in the Nintendo Switch Thread).

I'm not saying that anyone who buys digital or GKC is a bad person though. It's their money, they can spend it how they want to. Heck, I myself still buy a digital game here and there (If I manage to get my hands on a Switch 2 next year, I'll probably be getting Pokémon Gen 10 digitally because the inevitable DLC won't be on the cartridge). But I overall prefer physical simply because of my update paranoia and also slowly growing digital paranoia in general. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just throwing my hat into the ring.

@JaxonH I'm talking about the PS5 games, in case it wasn't clear. Ports of PS4 games would be a lot more feasible, but they still tend to end up a little bit more demanding and the supply of new ones dried up a few years back.

As for the 2080 Ti, that might be an older card by PC standards but it's still way more powerful than what the Switch 2 has. That's more in line with a 1050 Ti, which is only a little bit more powerful than the Steam Deck.

That's still pretty good for a handheld, of course, but I'd think that we've got to be realistic about what's possible when porting games designed with a significantly more powerful home console in mind.

Sony did, of course, put one high profile game on the Switch 1 in the case of Lego Horizon Adventures, but that's a particularly undemanding outlier. If we ever see anything on Switch 2, I'd be expecting that end of the catalogue, although the extra power of the Switch 2 ought to broaden the window a little.

@Matt_Barber
Don't get me wrong. I was never claiming any of their games would come to Switch 2 (not that I think they couldn't- every game ported to Steam so far could run on a NS2 with proper optimization, I just know they won't).

My comment was strictly addressing the claim that a high end PC was required.

@JaxonH @WaveBoy LOL yeah what did it for me was my PS4. Sure I bought a few digital games on my Xbox 360 but those were digital only releases but my PS4 is when I fully committed to digital only. And you know what it was for the oddest reason. Space. The last few years and especially after a house fire I thought to myself why do I have all this stuff?? Yeah having a shelf full of games is nice to show off but who am I showing them off too? Its not like I am a Youtuber and use it as set dressing. I dont have gamer club buddies over for tea and cookies to show off my collection. It just took up space and all it was was once more thing I would have to dust. Not to mention moving ugh. Then as you guys said add the convenience of just launching a game without having to get up and swap discs.

Also I will agree maybe if the games came with an awesome instruction booklet I would get it but very few companies do that if any.

I am Just now in a place in my life were digital just suits me better and I am not going to worry about the stupid stuff like what if they get delisted or some other kind of b.s.

@Buizel Perhaps, though if it was just that I would've thought Sony would've ported over more legacy titles in the gap before Ghost of Yotei is eligible for a PC port. GT7 and Demon's Souls are missing on the PS5 side and there's quite a few older PS4 games missing like Bloodborne and Infamous Second Son.

Ports to other consoles felt like targeting specifically what the platform's audience is most likely to appreciate. For example, Helldivers 2 fits right at home on Xbox alongside franchises like Halo and Gears of War. Excluding MLB The Show which is forced by MLB, I figured the next Sony port for Nintendo hardware would be something like Gravity Rush.

@Tasuki
You don't have to display your games on a shelf. (We all know this, right? lol It's not some sort of rule or anything.) I just keep all my game cases in a box in my closet, and I have 200ish Switch/Switch 2 games. Zero practical space taken at the end of the day.

I keep the actual game cartridges in these cool cases I got from Amazon. Each holds like 72 cartridges. Easy to open and find a game. Keep them right under my TV. Each is the size of a match box.

The way I see it is this: The "oh my gosh, the eShop is gonna shut down and/or Nintendo's gonna take away all my digital licenses" argument is pretty dumb. I don't think it's gonna happen, at least not any time soon and not for their biggest titles. Short of Nintendo crashing out and going out of business in spectacular fashion, they know the outrage that would occur if they ever started delisting/pulling licenses en masse.

The reason I stay physical is purely practical: If I'm gonna buy a game at launch, I have a local game store that does a 10% discount. If I'm gonna buy a game a few months later, I almost always buy used for a price pretty much the same as digital sales prices. So, I'm gonna pay pretty much the same price digital or physical... I'll just stay physical because IF I do want to trade this stuff in some day, I'll get something back. I'm under no delusions that I'm collecting appreciating goods or anything (lol), but it'll be something.

We've beaten this horse to death. Sorry lol

@rallydefault look, i understand you have your own reasons for doing physical but you really don't have to call others delusional for having other, more common reasons.

@squiddu-real
I think people who collect games in hopes that they will appreciate and garner them lots of money in the future ARE quite delusional. Unless you are amassing super-rare collector’s editions that already cost a ton up front, most game collections are not going to be producing the kinds of money YouTubers want you to believe.

Those are the only people I was calling delusional.

Fair, not sure what’s stopping them with GT7. With Bloodborne and Demons Souls I can’t quite comment as I’m not entirely sure what the arrangement with FromSoftware is. Older games seem like a good idea but Sony seems reluctant with some of these…people have been begging for Bloodborne on PS5 since launch and Infamous seems pretty much forgotten as a series at this point (no game in the series has ever been rereleased AFAIK).

I agree with Gravity Rush being a perfect candidate for Switch. Everybody’s Golf and Patapon are good indicators that Sony is willing to loan out their smaller-scale / more “Japanese” games…I’m just not expecting Horizon, TLOU, Uncharted, etc.

Seems that $450 NS2 Mario Kart bundle deal is back, this time at BestBuy, fyi. Probably the best price we'll see until next holiday season, I imagine.

@rallydefault
To add to that, selling is a pain. Making individual eBay listings, taking pics, packing and shipping out, then having a cut taken for eBay fees... I like eBay but not for selling tons of games. One or two, sure. A big ticket rare item, yes. Collection? Nightmare.

I used eBay to list a bunch of games in a lot, then baited ppl to inquire about buying more. And found a buy who lived an hour away in the Milwaukee area who said he'd buy everything. Sold him my entire Switch, DS and remaining PS4/X1 collection I hadn't yet sold for about $18k, which was about 600 Switch games, 75 DS games and 75 old cheap PS4/X1 games.

WAY less than I paid, but better than nothing too. Which is why with digital I'm much less cavalier with my purchases, knowing I'll have them forever (which actually saves money by only buying what I'm confident I'll play).

@rallydefault I have to store them somewhere and that takes space. As I said nowadays I am more of the minimalist mindset. That and like I said the convenience factor. I dont have open up a case walk across the living room, put the disc in then walk back to the sofa. I can just grab a controller press a few buttons and start playing all without have to walk about my house just to play a game. I also dont have to worry about losing or misplacing games either.

As for the selling factor I just dont because its so much of a hassle. Places like Gamestop dont give you *****, hardly worth the price of gas and like @JaxonH said selling on eBay or Facebook Marketplace or Offer Up is a hassel and often the time it takes isnt worth the time.

Its great that you enjoy physical and more power to you just for me digital is more practical.

@JaxonH Thanks for the tip. I gotta do some last minute Christmas shopping to do today. I might just head over to my local Best Buy. 😉

@JaxonH
Yea, selling on eBay for a few items you know you can get a high price for is ok every now and then, but most people think they can just walk into a game store or convention like they see on YouTube, show a vendor a couple dozen “rare” Switch games, and make thousands of dollars. Yea… the real world doesn’t work that way lol

@Tasuki
I don’t really jump between games a whole lot, so yea, not a huge issue. I also don’t mind having to stand up. (Not being a jerk, just don’t know how else to phrase that lol)

@rallydefault LOL dont get me wrong I dont mind standing up, but after a day of work and being on my feet all day when it comes to game time I want to relax and be off my feet as long as I can lol.

@Tasuki
lol yes very true, I can relate.

I think this kinda gets to one of the core things people tend to ignore when talking about this stuff in terms of value. Your time is worth something, at every stage. If you're spending time hunting down bargains, waiting for packages, going to the shops, organising storage, managing listings or garage sales? All of those things cost you time. And your time has value

To be clear, I'm very much in the digital game purchase space (and also like a good bargain). But more power to anyone who likes physical or is passionate about it. I for one am in the same boat when it comes to movies and music. But people shouldn't delude themselves into thinking any of this is a cost saving exercise. Because it really isn't

I collect physical music because I like having physical copies of music, physically playing the media, properly supporting the artist. I collect physical copies of movies because video streaming is fragmented, low quality and very often less profitable releases disappear. In both cases I recognise these choices cost me more, in both time and money, but I get something out of that time/money spent

For games? I'm not worried about preservation because, ultimately, piracy will be how these games are preserved. The support the artist argument isn't there because the margins on digital would be lower. The "physically playing it" bit that exists for music also doesn't apply, at least for me. I significantly prefer the convenience of digital. So unless there's a significant saving on the physical copy, which admittedly lately there often has been lately, I'll go digital

Fun fact: If you search 'exclusively to Switch 2' in the eShop, you now get over 500 results.

Some of that is DLC because Nintendo removed the DLC filter from the eShop for some reason, but there are also an insane number of actual real Switch 2 games as well.

Pretty disappointing that MK Legacy Collection has a whopping 70ms of latency on Switch 2. XSX version fairs better at around 50ms, yet the PS5 version is the worst offender teetering just over 100ms, or at least it was originally before the latest patch which managed to get it down to 80-something, which is still lousy regardless.

Thankfully, the Steam/PC version only has 20ms....Which is right on target combined with 10ms of latency from most modern OLED & LED TV's, since the first three original MK Arcade machines did in fact have 20-30ms of lag according to Riddict on YT. Definitely going to get the Collection via Steam on Valves upcoming Steam Machine early next year.

@skywake
I realized that with 3DS and Wii U and then Switch.

Every time, the systems eventually get hacked, games get dumped and they'll be on the internet forever. Of course, I dump my own purchased games and store them on an external SSD or USB-C thumb drive. I have all my Switch games dumped- around 3TB worth, as .nsp files along with their updates and DLC, safety tucked away on an NVMe SSD turned into a USB-drive via an external housing. I never have to worry- I have those games forever. Even if I lost them I could redownload from the eShop, but even then I probably wouldn't need to because they're already downloaded on a micro SD card, from which I can re-dump anytime I want. And because I have a chipped OLED and Lite OLED, even if a system catastrophically failed and the eShop stopped allowing redownloads of purchased games (which I doubt will ever happen but let's assume it did) and I lost all my dumped .nsp file games and the internet somehow got censored to prevent downloads of those games... I'd still have another Switch with my games on it, from which I could re-dump all over again for backup, and then install on any Switch I want after paying someone to chip it.

Like, it's more reassuring to me like that than I ever felt with physical, because 95% of physical games rely on day one patches, updates, fixes, DLC, expansions, etc anyways.

Not knocking anyone who prefers physical. I totally respect it and understand the appeal. Just speaking for myself and how my perspective changed over time. By the time we're playing Switch 3 sometime well into the next generation, they'll have eventually hacked the Switch 2 and all my games will be able to be backed up just like with Switch 1. Maybe it doesn't happen til Switch 4 is out, but it will happen long before any eShop ever stops allowing downloads.