Topic: Nintendo Switch 2

@Bigmanfan Absolutely false, you just click "download this first" from the game you want to download first.

The Switch 2 version No Man's Sky includes online online multiplayer missions and planetary settlements that you can govern. Those features are included on other platforms too, but the Switch 1 version has never had them because they're too much for the older console to handle.

In civilization 7 you can use larger world maps in the Switch 2 version and also multiplayer with more people. Basically the Switch 1 version had features taken away so the Switch 2 version is the 'normal' one.

Someone said this only works for game downloads, not game updates. Since updates are typically either downloaded in sleep mode or are near instantaneous, I can't actually think of a single time I was waiting on two game updates at the same time so I have never seen this.

@JaxonH Yeah, no. That option isn't a thing for updates, just game/DLC downloads. Trust me, I tried. The only option when you click on an update is to close the little download progress window that pops up.

@OmnitronVariant "Can't download updates while playing many games that support online functionality even when they don't use it (Animal Crossing pauses all downloads despite me not using online modes, for example)"

This was always one of my biggest annoyances going back to the original switch as well. It makes it darn near impossible to play much of the anything while downloading things. Pretty silly issue to still exist over eight years later.

@Bigmanfan @OmnitronVariant
My bad, you're right. I was thinking software. I tend to update games in the order I want them updated so I've never had that issue.

@Polvasti @FishyS Thank you. Fortunately, I don't really care about either of those. The only games I want that I can think of that I know have two versions are AI: Kaname Date and Dragon Quest 1&2 (I already have DQ 3 for Switch 1). Oh, and Fantasy Life, but from what I've heard I think I definitely want to get that one on Switch 2.

Yeah, this is usually how I interact with updates on the Switch OS. Even when I had a much slower internet connection

The only time I really see updates happen on the device is when I manually trigger updates for games I know just had an update. For example NSO games. But when I do that I'm literally picking the order

I assume people who experience it differently are doing something different. Like turning the device entirely off, turning off WiFi to save battery, not docking the Switch and leaving it in standby. Possibly suspending certain games? Not sure. But yeah, it's not something I ever really have had to think about

Finally got on the Switch 2 Club and got one!, Got the bundle deal that was shown on sale everywhere in the states on Cyber Monday

@BeyondKnight
Nice. What games are you getting first?

Obviously Mario Kart World is exceptional. I also highly recommend Donkey Kong Bonanza and Metroid Prime 4: Beyond. Absolute bangers, the both of them.

As for 3rd party titles I don't know what your tastes are, but let me just give a diverse sample of recommendations to cover all bases.

• Cyberpunk 2077 is probably the best 1st person shooter story driven rpg adventure money can buy. And the gyro/mouse aiming makes it so much more enjoyable.
• Split Fiction is exceptional. The best co-op game I've ever played save Monster Hunter. Let's just say it's the best story driven co-op adventure I've ever played. And it has Gameshare for local wireless, splitscreen for local MP, and a free downloadable friend's pass version anyone else can play for free as your co-op partner online.
• Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is on the level as a JRPG, and the 60fps performance mode on NSW2 makes it so much more enjoyable. This is a game you really don't wanna play on the original NSW1 because it can't hold 30.
• Yooka-Replaylee is not a remaster, it's a re-do. A reimagining. And it fixes every single problem the original had.
• Tomb Raider is cheap, and quality. It's a cinematic story driven adventure with light metroidvania elements and Metroid/Zelda like shrine puzzles found in tombs, and the mouse aiming really works well for combat. The seamless integration means you can play split joycon and just set the right joycon down into mouse mode whenever needed, then lift it right back up when combat is over.
• Persona 3 Reload is just a fantastic JRPG. I kept hearing all this stuff about framerate, but from what I played it was fine. I talked to someone else too who had been playing and they told me they hadn't had any issues either. So idk what people were talking about. Maybe the complaints about not being 60, after working it's way through the telephone game, somehow warped into "it has framerate drops"? Who knows.

Star Wars Outlaws is better than the internet led me to believe, and has gyro aiming. Street Fighter 6 is a superb game and astonishingly high quality port as well. Hogwarts Legacy is great and has gyro/mouse aiming, but it does have some pretty bad framerate issues when doing the broom racing side quests, so I avoid those. Hades II, Fantasy Life i and all 3 Yakuza games are worthy of consideration too.

@JaxonH I'm getting Donkey Kong Bananza and not gonna really use it for 3rd party games and as all those you recommended I have on the PS4/PS5

NSW2 Mario Kart World Bundle essentially $400 by purchasing $500 Target Gift Card (10% Off) for $450, then buying the already discounted $500 bundle for $450 with it. Use the remaining $50 on the gift card for a NSW2 game.

So $450 gets you a NSW2, the $80 Mario Kart World, and $50 toward a 2nd game or accessory.

NSW2 MKW Bundle + $50 Gift Card for $450

@BeyondKnight
Gotcha. Some (like myself) prefer gyro aiming and the freedom of playing anywhere, so I stopped buying 3rd party on other consoles a few years ago in anticipation of inevitable NSW2 ports down the line.

But as for exclusives, DK Bonanza is 🔥 as is Metroid Prime 4 and Mario Kart World. I like Hyrule Warriors Age of Imprisonment and Pokemon Legends Z-A is actually surprisingly fun, but to me they're not games I would prioritize over the aforementioned trio. And Kirby Air Riders, tbh, I wasn't digging it much. But there are others who go nuts for it so, you'll have to decide whether that's your style game or not.

An update to my earlier post about eshop chart positions. Prime 4 fortunately returned back to #1 spot on the Switch 1 charts when the game launched and has stayed there since. Right now, combining Switch 1 and 2 the top 20 charts is:
1. Prime 4 (Switch 2)
2. Prime 4 (Switch 1)
3. Football Manager 26 (Switch 1)
4. Legends Z-A (Switch 1)
5. Assassin's Creed Shadows (Switch 2)
6. Octopath 0 Digital Deluxe Edition (Switch 2)
7. Minecraft (Switch 1)
8. Marvel Cosmic Invasion (Switch 2)
9. Octopath 0 (Switch 2)
10. Octopath 0 (Switch 1)
11. Animal Crossing New Horizons (Switch 1)
12. MK8 Deluxe (Switch 1)
13. Kirby Air Riders (Switch 2)
14. Galaxy 1+2 (Switch 1)
15. Switch Sports (Switch 1)
16. Legends Z-A (Switch 2)
17. Super Mario Party Jamboree (Switch 1)
18. Marvel Cosmic Invasion (Switch 1)
19. DK Bananza (Switch 2)
20. Red Dead Redemption (Switch 2)

@Grumblevolcano
Ya, Metroid Prime 4 is #1 on both NSW1 and NSW2 eShop charts, with the NSW2 Upgrade at #9 in the NSW2 charts.

It's also continued to climb the sales ranking charts on Amazon. The week or two leading up to release (ever since controversy broke out) it spiked up to #33. Then on release day jumped to #19. The day after it was #15, and today it's #9.

That's really impressive, as I wasn't expecting a game from such a relatively niche series that isn't know for high sales to perform so well, and not just that, but continue climbing the ranks.

It won't last- once the fervor dies down a bit it'll start it's inevitable descent, but I have this strange feeling it's going to have longer legs than previous Metroid titles. It just feels like this one is more appealing and approachable to non-Metroid fans.

I told myself it needed to hit 2m sold to turn a profit. I feel confident it'll crack 2m over the course of the generation, and am now curious to see if it can land in the 3-4 million range like Dread. After all, it's got a good 7-8 years ahead of it to sell.

So, I just watched a video with a demo of Ocarine of Time Remake in Unreal Engine 5, with a cartoon art style that still maintained the spirit of the original, and all these commenters were saying how amazing it looked.

And I thought, "hmm... as a fan project it is incredible, but if Nintendo released this it would get all kinds of criticism- one of the biggest things standing out to me was the lack of animation frames when running. It seemed to imitate the original and just went back and forth with arms swinging, almost no fluidity.

And I realized at that moment, critical reception is highly correlated to expectations. Because a fan project has much lower expectations people are blown away. When Nintendo releases a game, perfection is expected to the point any niggling imperfection is magnified into a seismic issue.

And once I began to digest that realization, everything made sense to me. The reason people have such divergent opinions on games. I think, aside from different people having various preferences, it boils down to them also having different expectations. Those who expect perfection for every game they play will end up with a laundry list of grievances. Whereas those like myself who go into every game expecting nothing end up with a laundry list of praises. And then there's the majority of people who fall somewhere in between. And even I can't say I expect nothing- I do expect to at least have fun. I hope for more, and that's what leads to hype and excitement, but I never expect it.

It explains Mario Kart World- a game I absolutely adore and have struggled to comprehend all the backlash. Not to say I don't understand where people are coming from with their criticisms- I can see their perspectives, I just don't find them to be an issue or something that bothers me. Same thing with Pokemon Legends Z-A. Same thing with Hyrule Warriors. Same thing with Metroid.

It's all a matter of expectation.

@JaxonH Expect the worst.

If it is, you'll be happy you're right.

If it's not, you'll be pleasantly surprised. That's how I look at it.

@JaxonH @Haruki_NLI I would argue that expecting the worst could also have disastrous results. So many people go looking for the worst in things and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I do agree that measured expectations go a long way though. That and a mix of self-awareness when it comes to gaming preferences, and knowledge of the product you're buying into.

I have some examples from my own experience this year:

• Pokemon Legends Z-A: I went in with pretty measured expectations - knowing that I'd at least somewhat enjoy it based on my prior experience of the franchise - but not really knowing how I'd feel about some of the things more unique to this game (city setting, wild areas, new battle system, etc.) My expectations were completely smashed and it has ended up as my favourite Pokemon game since the series went 3D.
• Clair Obscur Expedition 33: I went in not-so-much based on my own personal interest in what the game was specifically offering, but based on my love for JRPGs and the hype surrounding the game at release. I was therefore expecting something phenomenal and...while it does seem like a great game, I quickly felt that the game wasn't for me and grew a bit frustrated with it.

@Haruki_NLI
I get what you're saying Haruki. Though Buizel has a point- maybe it wasn't worded precisely enough, but ya. Basically going in not expecting some divine miracle of a video game is far more conducive to an enjoyable experience. Obviously, expect games to be fun and worth your time if you're buying them, but anything more is a cherry on top, rather than setting the bar at the ceiling and viewing anything less as a disappointment.

@Buizel
Well said. I haven't played Expedition 33 yet (I'm waiting for the inevitable hybrid release- I can't afford double dipping across platforms anymore so if I'm gonna play a game, it's gonna be on my terms). But with all the unanimous praise I can see how that could definitely lead to disappointment. I've guarded myself against such expectations for that game, and when I do eventually play it, I'm going in with the same mindset I had with Metroid Prime 4, "This will be fun and worth my time; anything more it can offer me will be a pleasant surprise".

But it's not just divergent expectations. People can become so hyper-focused on "critical analysis" it completely ruins their experience with a game. It's kinda like... back in the day nobody cared about "micro-aggressions" because they were like, "dude, people are getting lynched around here, who the heck cares if someone didn't address me as sir? I got REAL problems to worry about".

That may be a weird analogy but follow me for a second. I have REAL problems like games such as Mighty No. 9, Sonic 06, Balan Wonderworld... and you expect me to be outraged over some nit-picky thing where, even at the game's worst and most boring it's still 10x funner than those other games? Why? I want to enjoy my entertainment, not scour for any potential attack vector to critically deconstruct my entertainment.

I should have used a better analogy but, you get my point.

If I genuinely take issue with a game, I'll just stop playing it. Kirby Air Riders is a perfect example. I just didn't like it very much. And I fully concede I'm in the minority- that's ok. If others are having a blast with it, I'm glad. I'm happy for them. And I'm not going to come here to endlessly rant about every little thing I disliked about it. Rather, I'm going to move on and play something else, come here and talk about that.

And that, I think, has to do with a mindset that doesn't take joy in scavenging for vulnerabilities to exploit critically. Whereas some, it seems, do take joy in such discussions. So it's not just expectations, it's also a divergence between those who find their joy in video games, and those who find their joy in critically deconstructing everything they can dig up which they dislike in their video games.