We got Animal Crossing 3 years into the NSW1 lifespan. If that holds true for NSW2 we won't see a new entry until mid to late 2028. Which is a long ways off. Makes sense to plug the interim gap with a NSW2 version and update.
I'm going to assume Splatoon Raiders is from the core Splatoon/AC team. If it releases next year, that would give them a couple years to get the next AC ready. Question is, are they also working on Splatoon 4? I feel like they probably are. It's too successful to be ignored. And we haven't seen any NSW2 version of Splatoon 3... not yet anyways.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
We got Animal Crossing 3 years into the NSW1 lifespan. If that holds true for NSW2 we won't see a new entry until mid to late 2028. Which is a long ways off. Makes sense to plug the interim gap with a NSW2 version and update.
NH coming in the Switch's 4th year is the exception, not the rule actually (and even then, remember that NH was delayed into the 4th year, it was intended for the 3rd year). In every other instance (besides the weirdness behind the first entry) AC lands on new hardware in the 2nd or 3rd year actually. So 2026/2027 would be more in line with AC's release patterns. If that would be the case, there'd be no need to have a filler game. And again, considering the evergreen, live service nature of AC, I'm even questioning 2027/2028 for the new game. Why put out a new AC a year or two later if players are playing NH S2E for a few years and they can just update that? We may be looking more at late in the gen (or potentially early next gen if things go REALLY wrong, but I don't expect that to happen) for the new entry and that feels way too late.
I'm going to assume Splatoon Raiders is from the core Splatoon/AC team. If it releases next year, that would give them a couple years to get the next AC ready. Question is, are they also working on Splatoon 4? I feel like they probably are. It's too successful to be ignored. And we haven't seen any NSW2 version of Splatoon 3... not yet anyways.
It's my understanding that the Splatoon and AC teams have split and can work on the two IPs simultaneously instead of needing to trade off (and if not they should because BOTH of these IPs are high selling and neither should be ignored, they can't afford to trade off like that). Splatoon 4 is definitely an inevitability, but I suspect it's not in development until Raiders is finished. I think they've seen the fatigue with main series Splatoon and how samey they all feel and working on Raiders might be a way to shake things up and make Splatoon interesting again. Trading off between Raiders and main series entries would help keep the games from feeling like an indistinguishable blur.
As for 3 S2E, I suspect if that was going to happen, we'd have it by now. Again, this is another evergreen live service game so that would be a good way to keep main series fans occupied for the first few years of Switch 2 while they work on 4. Instead it seems like they want Raiders to fill that role. I suspect by the time 4 runs its course it'll be close to if not at the end of the Switch 2 generation and then it'll be time to talk about Splatoon 5 on Switch 3 or whatever the Switch 2's successor is.
@skywake
I don't see how any other use could be practical.
Nobody's going to have 2 NSW2 consoles in their lap playing a game. Multi-player is the sole purpose of Gameshare. I'd love to be proven wrong but I can't fathom any other reasonable use for it that people would actually care about.
The Wii U was a thing that existed, GameShare is literally that but in software. Nothing stopping a developer from doing something more asymmetrical with their multiplayer modes or building a single player TV mode around using a secondary Switch as a controller
But yeah, to this point it has mostly just been the kind of thing you could otherwise do with a split screen multiplayer mode. Clubhouse games being the closest thing to take some advantage of the options it opens up
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I honestly didn't even have ACNH on my radar of Switch 1 games that could get a S2E.
I think they're just going down the list of best sellers and making sure they have an answer for it on Switch 2. Whether that's a free update, new release or Switch 2 Edition. Animal Crossing kinda stood out as one of the games that was left out. It makes sense they do something here
Still don't have anything for Smash Bros though, that's the main other one missing here. Also I guess Switch Sports although I question how much they still care about that game.....
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building a single player TV mode around using a secondary Switch as a controller
Except another $450 to buy another one. "Just buy another Switch and use Gameshare" is not a feasible solution to the dual screen problem in this economy.
But yeah, to this point it has mostly just been the kind of thing you could otherwise do with a split screen multiplayer mode. Clubhouse games being the closest thing to take some advantage of the options it opens up
This, I can see being a worthwhile use of Gameshare. Split screen multiplayer has a lot of issues with screen peeking and having to divide up the screen real estate making it more difficult to see, moving away from split screen is probably for the best. This is actually one thing I imagined as a selling point for detachable screens, so that different players aren't basically looking at the same screen when playing against each other.
I honestly didn't even have ACNH on my radar of Switch 1 games that could get a S2E.
I think they're just going down the list of best sellers and making sure they have an answer for it on Switch 2. Whether that's a free update, new release or Switch 2 Edition. Animal Crossing kinda stood out as one of the games that was left out. It makes sense they do something here
Did you even read the rest of my post? There's a larger point I'm making here than just "AC is a weird choice", I went into detail about WHY it's a weird choice and why it was probably better to go the new game route instead of S2E.
Also we're seeing far too many IPs opt for S2Es and not enough opting for new release. The lack of new games has been a concerning narrative for the Switch 2 as a whole, and now we have another major IP crossed off the list of potential new games we could be getting in the near future. So what are we going to have in terms of exclusives before like, 2028? It does not seem to be much. Looking like no 3D Zelda, no Animal Crossing, no Splatoon 4, and as I've said before and will say below, I expect no Smash either. What is even left after that? Gen 10 Pokemon, Luigi's Mansion 4, and maybe 3D Mario if we're lucky. That would be a pretty miserable lineup after 3 years on the market.
Still don't have anything for Smash Bros though, that's the main other one missing here.
I've said it a zillion times, I'm fully expecting an Ultimate S2E announcement relatively soon. Smash seems like a good candidate for more of a MK8D sort of strategy. I don't think Smash 6 is coming anytime soon because they want to take their time coming up with some kind of bold new direction for the series. If they just put out a samey feeling Smash 6 it's just going to feel like Ultimate but less characters, and that's going to be a hard sell, I think they're going to want 6 to feel superior to Ultimate in some other aspect since it couldn't beat Ultimate on its character roster. That's probably going to take a lot of time to figure out, so I suspect Smash 6 is coming no earlier than the latter half of the generation. So I see Ultimate S2E with even MORE fighters being the only feasible option for a Smash release anytime soon.
You don't necessarily need two Switch 2s for Gameshare; you can also use a Switch 1, including the Lite, for the second screen and they're still relatively cheap. Lots of people will have both consoles already, even.
Also, I don't foresee it ever being used in a situation where you'd have two consoles in your lap. The most likely use for it in single-player games is so that you can have a touch screen in your hands when the console is docked. You've already got one of those when it's undocked, so that case is already covered. It's not like you had two screens available with off-TV play for the Wii U either, after all.
@Bolt_Strike
There are 150million Switch consoles out there and it's a portable so a lot of households have multiple units. This isn't a case of asking people to buy a second console just to play a game. For a large section of the userbase it's going to be hardware they already have
In terms of the Animal Crossing bit.... I read what you said, I just didn't agree. They're just going down the list of bit franchises and making sure they have a reason for you to go to Switch 2 for them. I don't think Animal Crossing is somehow massively different to Splatoon 3 or the Zelda games in this regard
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I really dislike Switch 2 editions but my argument is about the gold mine of legacy content that can't be played on the Switch ecosystem at present. Like for example it's really sad that Wonder is getting a Switch 2 edition while most of the NSMB games are trapped on old hardware.
@Grumblevolcano I'm assuming rhe nsmb games will eventually come in either ports or on NSO. If we had one of those $40 ports like Galaxy for nsmb wii I would buy it in a second.
I'm not a huge fan of these Switch 2 editions which just increase the graphics and add a small DLC either... and some games (e.g. mario maker 2) I am actively hoping it doesn't happen because it makes sequels feel far away.
However one game I would love to get a Switch 2 edition is Peach Showtime. Slight improvement to graphics and a little DLC is precisely what that game needs. Plus I would like to see Nintendo acknowledge that it still exists so that I can hope for a sequel someday even if no time soon.
@skywake I don't mind that part. I like it because it means only one person has to buy the game and I can get mates to play games without forcing them to buy a game they wouldn't play otherwise. 51 Worldwide Games is great. I wish Jamboree had it online. Didn't much like 3D World but I don't like the multiplayer in that generally.
@FishyS
Oh man, a Showtime Switch 2 editions would be awesome! It already has such a cool art style; it would look amazing. The fps increase would go a long way in smoothing out the feel of the gameplay in a lot of the costumes, too.
I don’t mind the Swirtch 2 editions. I don’t buy most of them. People just assume Nintendo can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time without knowing how much/how little dev time goes into these. I don’t think we can use them as any indicator.
You don't necessarily need two Switch 2s for Gameshare; you can also use a Switch 1, including the Lite, for the second screen and they're still relatively cheap. Lots of people will have both consoles already, even.
There are 150million Switch consoles out there and it's a portable so a lot of households have multiple units. This isn't a case of asking people to buy a second console just to play a game. For a large section of the userbase it's going to be hardware they already have
Having a lower performance second screen is going to limit what they can do with dual screens, plus hardware snobs are not going to be happy with that.
Also, I don't foresee it ever being used in a situation where you'd have two consoles in your lap. The most likely use for it in single-player games is so that you can have a touch screen in your hands when the console is docked. You've already got one of those when it's undocked, so that case is already covered. It's not like you had two screens available with off-TV play for the Wii U either, after all.
No, it needs to be. If you can only use dual screen in docked mode, it undermines the whole point of a hybrid. A hybrid needs to have both a DS/3DS style handheld mode and a Wii U style docked mode, you can't just have one or the other.
I really dislike Switch 2 editions but my argument is about the gold mine of legacy content that can't be played on the Switch ecosystem at present. Like for example it's really sad that Wonder is getting a Switch 2 edition while most of the NSMB games are trapped on old hardware.
I mean there's some of that too, but legacy content is generally not the primary reason to buy a new console, you can always play it on the old console if you still have a working console and Nintendo tends to do little to update their older games. The primary reason to buy a new console is for new content. New, current gen entries in an IP always outsell old past gen entries.
I'm not a huge fan of these Switch 2 editions which just increase the graphics and add a small DLC either... and some games (e.g. mario maker 2) I am actively hoping it doesn't happen because it makes sequels feel far away.
This. S2Es would be fine if they were bonuses, but they seem to be acting like they're full games and they're not. Switch 2 needs the sequels first and foremost and it feels like the S2Es signal that almost none of them are happening anytime soon.
I'm all for NSW2 Editions. The more the better imo. It's not like they take any significant development time, people who arent interested can simply opt to not purchase, and those who are can get a higher resolution, often higher framerate version on NSW2 for a marginal upgrade fee, and if they're physical diehards they have that as an option as well.
I hope every NSW1 1st party title eventually gets a NSW2 upgrade. But, I dont think they all will. For whatever reason I suspect Fire Emblem and Xenoblade may never see updates.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@Bolt_Strike Because of the choices made about the hardware, the most exciting possibility about Switch 2 to me is the concept of someday Switch 2 being the system where everything is all in one place. Switch 1 games via backwards compatibility, Nintendo adding to the 1st party lineup via both new and old games meanwhile 3rd parties bringing over plenty of games that wouldn't have been possible on Switch 1.
Right now the biggest things getting in the way of that scenario are the existence of Switch 2 Editions (1st party side of things) and Key Cards (3rd party side of things).
In an alternate reality where Switch 2 was a gimmick console instead, the most exciting possibility would've been how brand new 1st party games utilize said gimmicks.
I'm all for NSW2 Editions. The more the better imo. It's not like they take any significant development time
It's not just about development time but scheduling. Nintendo often works on these smaller projects and that sits on them until strategically releasing them when they think the time is right. This often means using these entries as placeholders to tide people over until the next main entry. This is especially true for IPs that don't get yearly entries like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, etc. And Animal Crossing is not one of those, it tends to only have entries about every 3 or 4 years. So no, having ACNH S2E in 2026 and then a new game in 2027 seems optimistic. I don't even think 2028 is on the table either. Most likely this signals that the new AC game is 2029 or later.
Also right on time NL posts an opinion piece on S2Es and they sum up this sentiment quite well.
I'm starting to see the Nintendo Switch 2 Editions as a big ol' placeholder in Nintendo's release schedule. It's one of those 'we're not quite ready to show you what's next, so here's something familiar to keep you busy in the meantime' moments that we're becoming increasingly well acquainted with. Surely a brand new game would be a much better prospect for console sales?
It was a similar story on Switch. Rather than give us a new Mario Kart, we got Mario Kart 8 Deluxe; instead of a new 3D Mario, we got Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury. They're great games, no doubt, but they're also a telltale sign of 'you're years away from a new entry, mate'.
For whatever reason I suspect Fire Emblem and Xenoblade may never see updates.
Nah, I think Fire Emblem is popular enough to get a S2E. I think Three Houses S2E is especially likely.
As for Xenoblade, 2 is next in line for a Definitive Edition since they released DEs of 1 and X on Switch. It's possible they might go for a S2E instead, but I strongly suspect some kind of re-release of 2 is happening this gen.
@Bolt_Strike Because of the choices made about the hardware, the most exciting possibility about Switch 2 to me is the concept of someday Switch 2 being the system where everything is all in one place. Switch 1 games via backwards compatibility, Nintendo adding to the 1st party lineup via both new and old games meanwhile 3rd parties bringing over plenty of games that wouldn't have been possible on Switch 1.
I mean that's a great bonus, but you don't need new hardware for that, you can do that with existing hardware. The biggest draw for new hardware is new games, you can't really get around that.
In an alternate reality where Switch 2 was a gimmick console instead, the most exciting possibility would've been how brand new 1st party games utilize said gimmicks.
Vastly superior reality, that would do a far better job of justifying new hardware. Can I go live in that reality please? This timeline sucks in so many ways.
@Bolt_Strike
So instead of a placeholder you’d rather…. Nothing?
What some of us are saying is that these “placeholders” don’t necessarily mean anything when it comes to the release timing of the next major game in whatever franchise. It’s literally impossible for anyone outside of Nintendo to know at the moment.
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