Topic: Does NS1 carts get the faster Zelda load speeds?

I have the switch 1 carts for both Zelda games and the NSO expansion membership. For the switch 2, will I be downloading the entire game to have faster load speeds even with carts? Would I need the carts to launch the game after that?

I don't believe Nintendo have confirmed installs for Switch 1 cartridge games on Switch 2. If you're playing Switch 1 cartridges on Switch 2, your load speeds are capped to the Switch 1 cartridge speed of 90MB/s. The situation would be different if you purchased a digital copy and were playing that off the Switch 2 internal memory of 1.2GB/s.

@Raffiesaurus : We don't know for sure yet, but I imagine that if the Switch 2 update only encompasses the data necessary to get the game to run on Switch 2, and is otherwise mostly utilising the code from the Switch 1 version, then I strongly doubt that you will see as much of a benefit from the faster load speeds if using the original Switch 1 cartridge. You may see some benefit from the faster CPU/GPU of the Switch 2, and parts of the game may load faster, but I doubt that it will be as drastic as running the game off the faster Switch 2 cartridge or if you had the game installed to the Switch 2's onboard memory (or microSD Express card).

Time will tell soon enough.

The Switch 1 carts are already capped at their max speeds its the exSD and Switch 2 internal storage speeds will be different. You can't speed up Switch 1 carts unless you buy the Switch 2 exclusives games that come on cart.

@Raffiesaurus We don't know yet but it seems likely that the Switch 2 upgrade is a completely separate download where your Switch 1 cart acts as a license key. Kind of like how PS4 to PS5 upgrades work.

Are we talking about upgrade to Switch 1 carts of the game or Actual Switch 2 carts? If the later this has been debunked already as false. Switch 2 will contain full game plus upgrade on them.
Nintendo has confirmed that Switch 2 Edition games contain both the game and the upgrade on the cartridge itself.

@Jester676
... they are clearly talking about the Switch 1 carts. Just read their post.

@rallydefault Are you talking for them. I was clearing up any misconceptions.

@Jester676
I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees.

Switch carts are capped at their Switch 1 transfer speed.

But digitally yes, Switch games will have faster load times. They'll also have stable framerates and if they had dynamic resolution scaling, their resolution will stay capped at the max. This I know just from running Switch games overclocked. Plus Nintendo said this as well. But games will not exceed their max framerate or resolution caps.

If Nintendo were smart, they'd program Switch 2 to automatically run Switch games with docked output regardless of whether it's docked or in handheld mode, since the hardware can easily handle it and the max docked resolution for Switch games doesn't exceed the 1080p screen. It would be a way to make every Switch game look noticeably better in handheld mode, as they'd all be running at 720p minimum.

I can do it on my OLED from an overlay menu that has a system module built in allowing you to toggle handheld/docked output, so it's definitely possible. But Nintendo won't do it. Because... reasons.

@JaxonH The SW2 isn't binary level compatible with SW1 software as the CPU is different.
So technically the games are emulated and therefore some games will run better, others won't run at all, or worse than running them on the Switch 1 OG hardware. This is until the backward compatibility is improved in FW upgrades and game patches over time.

SW1 game carts will only read as fast as the lowest common denominator in the system and in this case the cart itself is the lowest common denominator.

https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Hardware/Nintendo-Switch-2/Com...

What is the Speed of NS2 Cartridge?! Asking, because I see people mentioning NS2 Internal Space Speed and NS1 Cartridge Speed, but not NS2 Cartridge Speed!

@SViper
I don't think the speed is officially reported anywhere so it's hard to say. But presumably Switch 2 game cards would be running at the microSD Express speeds or similar given microSD Express is required for the Switch 2

In terms of BotW and the improvement to loading times? Hard to say. Because some of that improvement to performance could be simply improved CPU performance rather than faster storage. Also if you have the original Switch version of BotW and get the enhanced version it's a 9.7GB download. So presumably you're not really loading that much data from the original card at that point

@skywake so I guess is like around 900 MB/s while comparing to Internal is 1.2 GB/s then.
Your second column makes me again lean more to buying 2 NS1 PL:Z-A copies then 1 of each.

Right now it seems likely that NS2 cartridges use the same kind of flash storage technology as microSD express, meaning they're significantly more expensive to manufacture, but is needed for that performance parity between game card, internal storage, and expanded storage.
NS1 cartridges by comparison are similar to the older microSD format, and have the same ball park performance as Switch 1 internal storage. Speedrunners are known to prefer internal storage since it's known to have the shortest loading times.

Now as for the question of playing Switch 2 Edition Upgrade Packs using Switch 1 game cards, the likely situation is that the upgrade pack is actually a full game digital download and to ensure the fastest load times, the NS1 cartridge is only a license check, similar to Game Key releases.
The title listings on the official website suggest this, but we'll have a better idea when download file sizes are revealed.
https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Games/Nintendo-Switch-2-Editio...
Nintendo Switch 2 Edition releases on the other hand, appear to be fully on-cart, and it seems likely that that they actually store two builds of the game, for Switch 1, and for Switch 2.
It seems highly unlikely that Switch 2 Editions will be running patched versions of Switch 1 games, but are probably recompiled in whole because of the slow read NS1 game card situation.

@JaxonH
Some interesting input, but definitely too much of it is X rather than actual proof. You don't know what Nintendo has done, many don't as of yet.

An that's a strong part of the reason why Ninty has been a hate bear.

I was thinking of getting myself some second hand copies of Botw & Totk and just paying the upgrade fee but I'm a little less inclined if Nintendo aren't upgrading the load speeds and still require the carts to be inserted to play.

@Dhaladog when you buy a game physically you have to insert the game to play.
The load speeds are reduced if you have bought the game digitally.

@Dhaladog
How I imagine the upgrade packs work is that they download the full Switch 2 version of the game, but check for either a Switch 1 game card to be inserted, or the Switch 1 title on your Nintendo account.
I guess it would also work with Virtual Game Card lending?
In any situation, it means you get the upgraded loading speeds because it should be reading 100% of the game data from the Switch 2's internal or expanded storage, and the game card slot would only be part of a license check.