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kkslider5552000

Socar wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Socar wrote:

@kkslider5552000 and why it does not often work?
Complaining about game prices here or anywhere doesn't really make them suddenly lower game prices. It just makes people all the more to buy it unless they vote with their wallet.

People complained about the Switch 2 being expensive but sales have gone up. People have complained on MKW price being 80$ but it sold well still.

In these cases voting with your wallet certainly helps.

Well first of all, this is an internet forum in the 2020s, nothing said here matters. There is a consistency of irrelevance here.

Switch 2 is a weird thing where I don't think the sales issue is disproven by its early success. Like Switch 2 doing super well early, with a new Mario Kart, was inevitably going to be a huge success. Because the people who can afford to buy Nintendo games no matter what, don't have a reason to care. Other people nowadays...do. So whether that will last remains to be seen.

But what about elsewhere? I mean complaints here won't work out but on x, youtube etc? And those are major social platforms.

And sure the Switch 2 is early in its life but it's also having stronger sale figures compared to the Switch. If the complaints were really valid and if the sales of it were declining Nintendo would have cut the cost just like how they did for the 3ds when the sales for that console were low at launch.

I'm not sure what you understand less, that Nintendo is more popular after the Switch era than it was after the Wii U era, or that the major problem people have are the game prices, not the system prices.

3DS isn't even a worthwhile comparison, because it was at the height of mobile games being considered the future of gaming, had a terrible launch with no must play games for months (not to mention Pokemon B/W launching at the same time on DS, thus making 3DS look even more irrelevant by comparison), and at launch still cost less than half the price of a Switch 2, with similar pricing differences for major software. Completely different situation.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Socar wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Socar wrote:

@kkslider5552000 and why it does not often work?
Complaining about game prices here or anywhere doesn't really make them suddenly lower game prices. It just makes people all the more to buy it unless they vote with their wallet.

People complained about the Switch 2 being expensive but sales have gone up. People have complained on MKW price being 80$ but it sold well still.

In these cases voting with your wallet certainly helps.

Well first of all, this is an internet forum in the 2020s, nothing said here matters. There is a consistency of irrelevance here.

Switch 2 is a weird thing where I don't think the sales issue is disproven by its early success. Like Switch 2 doing super well early, with a new Mario Kart, was inevitably going to be a huge success. Because the people who can afford to buy Nintendo games no matter what, don't have a reason to care. Other people nowadays...do. So whether that will last remains to be seen.

But what about elsewhere? I mean complaints here won't work out but on x, youtube etc? And those are major social platforms.

And sure the Switch 2 is early in its life but it's also having stronger sale figures compared to the Switch. If the complaints were really valid and if the sales of it were declining Nintendo would have cut the cost just like how they did for the 3ds when the sales for that console were low at launch.

I'm not sure what you understand less, that Nintendo is more popular after the Switch era than it was after the Wii U era, or that the major problem people have are the game prices, not the system prices.

3DS isn't even a worthwhile comparison, because it was at the height of mobile games being considered the future of gaming, had a terrible launch with no must play games for months (not to mention Pokemon B/W launching at the same time on DS, thus making 3DS look even more irrelevant by comparison), and at launch still cost less than half the price of a Switch 2, with similar pricing differences for major software. Completely different situation.

Not true.

Nintendo was way popular after the DS era because of the casual market. True at the time Nintendo was hesitant with making their games on mobile but it still didn't largely affect their brand awareness.

Not to mention that 3ds did have must play titles like Kid Icarus Uprising, Super Mario 3D land and ocarina of time 3d. True it didn't have a pokemon game at launch until two years later but the 3ds had games. Plus having the ability to play DS games is a bonus.

I would say the Switch 2 is in the similar boat. Lack of strong launch titles...mkw and bananza were the only worthwhile exclusives early in the switch 2s cycle.

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Socar wrote:

Not to mention that 3ds did have must play titles like Kid Icarus Uprising, Super Mario 3D land and ocarina of time 3d. True it didn't have a pokemon game at launch until two years later but the 3ds had games. Plus having the ability to play DS games is a bonus.

Those games came out after the price cut, except Ocarina which is a remake of a game you could play on each of the last three Nintendo home consoles before the 3DS. Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza alone make the Switch 2's launch window better than the 3DS's. And I say that as someone who doesn't have a Switch 2 yet mainly because the game prices are too high for my liking, so... I don't disagree with you about voting with your wallet

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Socar

Ok slipped my mind there.

But the Switch 2 library launch is still underwhelming and similar to the 3ds. But yeah voting with your wallet always helps.

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Socar

On another unpopular opinion, Piracy is bad. Being poor to not afford games at their prices does not justify piracy and the size of companies does not justify that they can handle losses from pirated software of any sorts.

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mikegamer

@Socar Unpopular opinion to counter that, yes, it is illegal, but financially speaking, games that are sold secondhand don't generate revenue to companies and only to greedy scalpers.

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UpsideDownRowlet

@Socar I think emulating games unofficially is justifiable if there isn't an official means to obtain the game presently. Pokemon HeartGold isn't currently available for purchase, so Nintendo simply cannot get money from it and I can't buy it. Secondhand copies are restrictively expensive, so I think it's okay to emulate that. Something like Pokemon Sword or even the recently re-released Pokemon FRLG wouldn't be justifiable to pirate, as those games' are accessible for purchase via official means.

I'm curious what your stance on retro piracy is.

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kkslider5552000

I'm not the biggest fan of piracy of modern games, especially indie games, but I also don't think its a reliably worthwhile thing for even companies to care about. I feel confident in saying the vast, vast majority of piracy of modern games are from people who would decide to not buy games if they couldn't pirate those same games. I have no reason to care that people who would not buy those games no matter what would then play those games without buying them. I still think its a bit "eh" personally, particularly in the context of the people who make those things available, but at least as things have been, I don't think it has done real damage to any company.

But for easily emulated retro games, I could not possibly care less what you do or don't do. This one will also probably be proven to be a non-issue when FR/LG, with no online and 20 bucks, almost inevitably outsells most of the current Switch 2 exclusives, a game I could've easily emulated for the past 20 years on my previous laptop that was so underpowered it risked overheating from playing Jet Set Radio on Steam. Like I try not to emulate games I've never owned personally most times, but if someone does, that's fine, who cares.

My only genuinely strong opinion about it is that its weird that anyone would even spare any time or thought or effort into caring about retro game emulation as some notable moral issue. Like you don't have to like it or be for it but if you're gonna be against something for any moral reasons, that shouldn't be a priority. Please spend your time doing literally anything else.

This goes way beyond gaming btw, but I do think a lot of discussion online in general would be better if people stopped feeling obligated to have strong takes on things for no good reason. You could just not do that.

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Legends Arceus sucks, actually

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UpsideDownRowlet

@Agent_P Ok, but what about Legends Arceus made you dislike it? Just saying that something sucks without giving a reason why isn't exactly constructive.

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Matt_Barber

@Socar Seeing as more than tangential discussion of piracy is banned on here, I don't think that you'll find many of us expounding positive opinions of it.

Still, I'm a firm believer that if a game is worth my time, it's worth my money. Quite what we're supposed to do when a particular game isn't even available for sale any more is where it starts to get complicated.

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Socar

mikegamer wrote:

@Socar Unpopular opinion to counter that, yes, it is illegal, but financially speaking, games that are sold secondhand don't generate revenue to companies and only to greedy scalpers.

Depends on the game. If you're selling a copy like an unsealed Super Mario Bros then sure. But selling a console with roms in it of any sort or selling modded consoles while buying pirated software is bad because people are making a living out of it without the Company aware of it.

UpsideDownRowlet wrote:

@Socar I think emulating games unofficially is justifiable if there isn't an official means to obtain the game presently. Pokemon HeartGold isn't currently available for purchase, so Nintendo simply cannot get money from it and I can't buy it. Secondhand copies are restrictively expensive, so I think it's okay to emulate that. Something like Pokemon Sword or even the recently re-released Pokemon FRLG wouldn't be justifiable to pirate, as those games' are accessible for purchase via official means.

I'm curious what your stance on retro piracy is.

Having software inaccessible however old it is does not justify emulating it from the internet. Atleast if you have dumped your roms and like use an emulator that's fair because its legal atleast in US.

I'm also not in the point of just getting the games on the internet because if it interested me but its not available, I can just wait for it to be available commercially and look for something else. The idea that games are preserved because of piracy is odd because Companies already have the games backed up and preserved for years.

The issue with them distributing it is mostly licensing and demand.

Matt_Barber wrote:

@Socar Seeing as more than tangential discussion of piracy is banned on here, I don't think that you'll find many of us expounding positive opinions of it.

Still, I'm a firm believer that if a game is worth my time, it's worth my money. Quite what we're supposed to do when a particular game isn't even available for sale any more is where it starts to get complicated.

Exactly this. If you can't afford games then you shouldn't pirate them because that idea that pirating games because its cheaper or free is not even a counter intuiative move to these companies who do a "lazy" job of running these games smoothly.

That and it suggests that there are more problems you need to look into before buying games.

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Bigmanfan

This dude is giving real "Leave the billion dollar company alone" energy lmao

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Socar

Bigmanfan wrote:

This dude is giving real "Leave the billion dollar company alone" energy lmao

So you're suggesting that people should be entitled to pirate if they can't afford it even with modern games?

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darkfenrir

It's also a cost issue imo! Especially if you think about people who survived on like, 200 usd a month income or so.

In the end, some people just don't have as much money as others, and it's not like they will suddenly get the money to buy the games or whatever else if stopped. But these people can talk and spread the words too if it's good, or if it's bad, etc.

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kkslider5552000

The issue for me is not even about piracy being bad or not. It's that I genuinely can't think of a lot that I think is not good that I could care less about if someone did anyway. Most bad things that happen and that people do are more worth my time to actively be against.

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Socar

mikegamer wrote:

@Socar
Piracy is a service issue, not a cost issue

If its a service issue then why are people complaining on prices like Pokemon FR/LG costiing a lot more than pirating it? Why are people still pirating games if games on PC are priced as low as they can get if you look on Steam?

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DanijoEX

Are we really seriously arguing about this here...?

Just the same old thing being argued again & again...and parroted many time over.

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Socar

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@Socar Because you can't convince everybody not to steal. There is a limit to any service you provide that isn't free. The service issue is about making it so it's as easy and effortless to pay for a product as it is stealing it.

Pretty much in today's times the services are very accessible. No more region specific games locked, no more of the physical only releases. Almost everything can be done digitally now.

You can't convince people to not pirate sure but it's getting very hard to justify that now that services are more accessible than ever.

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