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Topic: Should I bother getting the "New" 3DS?

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Blathers

skywake wrote:

Blathers wrote:

You can see it coming soon? Can you see all the games that are going to be on it at launch day too? People don't wanna buy a console because "the next console might be coming out soon™", then when the console does come out people don't wanna buy it console because "there aren't that many games out for it yet". Might as well just stop being an indecisive git and get a PC. "Oh, but in 6 months the parts will be cheaper".

Except that we're talking about buying a New 3DS as an upgrade from an original 3DS. I wouldn't say to someone who wants a 3DS now to wait until whatever the NX is, I wouldn't say the same for someone who wants a Wii U now.

Ah, right, sorry, missed the part regarding considering upgrading. I guess in general it's an iffy question, mostly to do with how dispensable your income is.

skywake wrote:

On the PC gamer bit, off topic I know. But as someone who loves building new PCs and getting new tech? Of course you don't wait for the next thing, if you did you'd always be waiting because there's always something else. But there's a key difference. If you got a GTX760 just before the GTX960 came out? That doesn't mean you can't play the next Assassin's Creed. If you brought a DSi just before the 3DS launched? It does mean you can't play the next Pokemon.

Using Pokemon as a reason to upgrade is a bad analogy xD since they get released as frequently as graphics cards.
If someone is the type of person that they buy every Pokemon iteration, they're likely the type that buys every console iteration too xD

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skywake

Blathers wrote:

Using Pokemon as a reason to upgrade is a bad analogy xD since they get released as frequently as graphics cards.
If someone is the type of person that they buy every Pokemon iteration, they're likely the type that buys every console iteration too xD

The only problem with my point here is that Pokemon has tended to hold onto the previous generation for a while. So if you had upgraded from a DSLite to a DSi in late 2009? You'd have been annoyed when you found out about the 3DS in 2010. That's potentially the situation we're talking about here with someone upgrading from 3DS to New 3DS. The reason it doesn't work for Pokemon? Well the first 3DS Pokemon came out in 2013.... so it took a while...

But the point remains. And it's a problem that consoles always have moving from one generation to the next. It's a problem they'll always have because "forwards compatibility" isn't something that can be solved. Which is why I took issue with the comparison to PC gamers upgrading their GPUs. It's not anywhere near as true for PC gaming, the generations of PCs is a much more fluid thing.

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Blathers

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skywake

Blathers wrote:

DSi didn't have a pokemon game though, which is the point of the analogy here (also the DSi was just plain "meh", apart from being a DS with some fancy doodads attached to it - it didn't have any titles worth getting. It's the very definition of getting a console for the console's sake, rather than the games)

Read what I said again, I was making precisely this point. There's a fairly good chance that the "upgrade" to the New 3DS won't give people much in terms of content. And I would wager that there's probably not going to be a New 3DS exclusive Pokemon. The next one is probably going to still be on the 3DS, the one after that? Could easily be on the next portable system. Which is precisely the same situation people who "upgraded" to the DSi were in.

Again, it's a fine system if you're jumping into that platform for the first time and it's a good idea if your old 3DS is looking a bit worse for ware. But otherwise? It's not a particularly sensible upgrade. There's simply not much content there that's New 3DS exclusive. I personally have an XL which I did upgrade to from the original 3DS a while back. I have absolutely no desire to get a New 3DS at this point. I see no reason to. And I felt the same way about the DSi back when my day1 DSLite was still going strong.

Blathers wrote:

There are distinct "generations" of PC features such as what elements a graphics card supports and whether a game is able to be run in different graphics modes which is a comparable analogy to console's "ports". [....]

You're going off on a tangent. All I said was that with consoles there's a clear jump from one generation to the next. If you buy a console late in its cycle there's no guarantee that next year's must-have games will work on it. That's just how it is. Even if there's fantastic backwards compatibility there's never even the slightest bit of forwards compatibility.

Which is why I took issue when you compared buying a New 3DS to buying a new GPU. Because it's not at all the same. When you buy a console the company behind it writes down a timeline for when they'll start making games that won't work on it. When you get a new GPU for your PC? Assuming you go at least mid-range you get 3-5 years where you can play any AAA game reasonably well and quite a bit longer for less intense games.... but from the year you got it. So it's entirely different.

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Blathers

skywake wrote:

Blathers wrote:

DSi didn't have a pokemon game though, which is the point of the analogy here (also the DSi was just plain "meh", apart from being a DS with some fancy doodads attached to it - it didn't have any titles worth getting. It's the very definition of getting a console for the console's sake, rather than the games)

Read what I said again, I was making precisely this point. There's a fairly good chance that the "upgrade" to the New 3DS won't give people much in terms of content...

Anyone who buys something in the hopes of future potential needs to be smacked with a wet fish. I was discussing giving purchase advice based on the current features, not some silly nonsense hopes and dreams.
If someone wants something based on what it might become, sure, yeah, buy the New 3DS. While they're at it, they should also back a random kickstarter, buy an early access game on steam and join a multilevel marketing group. (read: pyramid scheme)

skywake wrote:

Which is precisely the same situation people who "upgraded" to the DSi were in.

skywake wrote:

Again, it's a fine system if you're jumping into that platform for the first time and it's a good idea if your old 3DS is looking a bit worse for ware. But otherwise? It's not a particularly sensible upgrade. There's simply not much content there that's New 3DS exclusive. I personally have an XL which I did upgrade to from the original 3DS a while back. I have absolutely no desire to get a New 3DS at this point. I see no reason to. And I felt the same way about the DSi back when my day1 DSLite was still going strong.

I agree with the first sentence, but like I said in my previous comment:

Blathers wrote:

the purchase of a N3DS largely hinges on how dispensable your income is. There are reasons to upgrade, but asking the obviously opinionated question Should I bother getting the new 3DS is a flawed endeavour because nobody knows who you are, what kind of similar purchases you make and whether you do so on a whim, or what you really value. The key word in your question is "I" - you should be asking yourself.

Some people love to have the latest and greatest thing. And the New 3DS is for them, it adds a handful of useful features that can (but not always) be worth the purchase.

skywake wrote:

You're going off on a tangent. All I said was that with consoles there's a clear jump from one generation to the next. If you buy a console late in its cycle there's no guarantee that next year's must-have games will work on it. That's just how it is. Even if there's fantastic backwards compatibility there's never even the slightest bit of forwards compatibility.

Which is why I took issue when you compared buying a New 3DS to buying a new GPU. Because it's not at all the same. When you buy a console the company behind it writes down a timeline for when they'll start making games that won't work on it. When you get a new GPU for your PC? Assuming you go at least mid-range you get 3-5 years where you can play any AAA game reasonably well and quite a bit longer for less intense games.... but from the year you got it. So it's entirely different.

I'll admit that the PC race IS different in that regard because the PC race doesn't throw down massive blockades every few years that force people to upgrade or be stuck playing old games forever. But the PC community is much bigger, and isn't run by any one mega corporation. (although we know you're trying, Valve) An action like that would cause someone else to rise up and create a workaround. It happens on consoles because said megacorps can make their devices completely from scratch and can usually ensure no exploits get through (there have been exceptions, which the 3DS is one of)

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skywake

@Blathers:
The fact that some people may have money to burn doesn't really change anything. If money wasn't even slightly an issue the question wouldn't have been asked. And quite frankly there's not much of a reason to upgrade to the New 3DS if you already have a fully functioning 3DS. That money would be better spent on some games or a quadcopter or some other toy. Especially given that we don't know what the next couple of years will bring. So the answer to the question of the thread is a resounding "no, if you can you should wait"

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Blathers

skywake wrote:

a quadcopter

xD

skywake wrote:

"no, if you can you should wait"

Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Vincent294

A friend who picked up the Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer new 3DS told me while they didn't want to wait, it's best you wait for the inevitable release of the Fire Emblem Fates new 3DS instead. As a more patient person, I would agree.

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SillyG

As somebody above said, if you have disposable income, by all means, feel free to upgrade. The improvements are all welcome but I do not feel that they are substantial enough to justify the upgrade for only the most hardcore of fans. I have one even though my XL was perfectly functional, but I play my 3DS a lot and I felt that the upgrade was worthwhile (however the skin of my LE Monster Hunter 4 N3DS XL has already started peeling off ).

There are almost no exclusive games available for the system and there aren't enough new games that are taking advantage of the New 3DS' superior processing power. For the frugal, you'd be wiser to put that money toward some new games instead.

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WebHead

I'd say yes if you don't buy systems day one. Otherwise you might wanna wait for the successor. But at the same time 3ds has a big library.

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