Topic: Pokemon Red, Blue and Yellow

I sure miss when Pokemon games didn't force you to play stupid soccer minigames to get the most out of it (super training is compulsory if you want to stand any chance against people online in gen 6).

@Grumblevolcano: Isn't that just an alternative to the banality of EV training the regular way that people have been doing for 10+ years? I have EV trained a dozen or more Pokemon and only one or two of them were Super Trained.

And I'm also pretty sure that at least 80% of people who buy Pokemon games don't even know what EVs are, so I'd say that Pokemon has never and still isn't too focuses on the pro scene at all.

@TheLastLugia: @Grumblevolcano: you guys don't need super training or sitting for hours beating critters.

Horde training. Full EVs in minutes.

These games don't have breeding or EVs or Mega Evolutions?

They must be worth buying!!

They do have EVs. They just work slightly different.

Pokemon also have individual values, like in modern games. They also work a little bit differently.

Gen 2 introduced the Move Deleter but not the Move Relearner. (I've read it was possible by connecting to Stadium 2, to get one move re-learn as a prize, but I don't know the specifics. Could it be repeated? It sounds like it'd be a pain regardless.)

I just remembered Jynx is trade only for a Poliwhirl. It's name is Lola. Why they do her like that

It was apparently a wild Pokemon in the Japanese Blue, but we ""never"" got that one.

Truth is that while the names make suggest otherwise our red and blue are based on the Japanese green and red, with Blue's bug fixes and graphics.

Yes she appears on Seafoam Islands in that one. I forgot RBGY have weird things like that going on for it. I also just remembered the awkward part of choosing who to use Moon Stones on, at least back when I was a child and didn't realize there were only so many in comparison to the endless amount of the other elements there are in the shop.

Speaking of Jynx and that specific trade, there's a slight translation error I forgotten about until I read about it again "The old man that trades the player a Jynx in Cerulean City claims that the Poliwhirl he received "went and evolved". While Poliwhirl does evolve, it does not evolve by trade in Generation I but rather through the use of a Water Stone. In the context of Pokémon Blue, the old man trades away a Haunter for a Machoke, which does evolve through trade."
Same with the Raichu went and evolved on Cinnabar Island trade translation error lol

Any idea how big the file size for just Red will be? Shouldn't be huge but I wonder if the couple tweaks will make it bigger. I've only got like 100-200 blocks left and need to get an SD card but I'm putting it off until the absolute death.

Our versions of Red/Blue are based on the Japanese Pokémon Blue. The main difference between our version is that the Japanese Blue version was translated and then split up into two separate versions, retaining the wild Pokémon locations (and version exclusives) of the Japanese Red/Green.

The original Red/Green was never released outside of Japan, which is a shame. I really wish that they had translated Green version for this VC release so that we can bask in the warmth of those ugly, ugly sprites.

And I too am bummed that Jynx is not available as a wild Pokémon at all in R/B/Y.

Lickitung is also in a similar situation, but can at least be caught post-game (ugh) in Yellow.

I was more talking about content.

Yes, the games are based on the Blue engine with the (superior) new graphics, but content-wise they're no different from Red and Green.

Well, except for maybe the last cave (we have the one from Blue, I think). And the translation errors caused by basing them on Blue.

It is the original blue the one we never got.

BAH!

Cerulean Cave is is the worst tease.

@DarthNocturnal: Mew has an malnourished dog head and Wigglytuff is all o_O

UGH THAT MACHAMP, waaaay to happy. They said the western R&B had worse sprites, I think it had better than JP Green. Yellow solved basically all the problems lol

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._. I'm kind of scared to look up some of the Green sprites now....That Machamp looks like a footless duck midget, and that Vulpix just looks...wrong.

Mew really went with the whole "I'm supposed to look like a fetus" thing in red and green.

Thankfully they cutified it for blue.

Yeah Yellow did fix most of the sprites, I can look at Exeggutor's Yellow sprite without having nightmares.
However I can't say the same about the Red/Blue one.

Indeed Jynx is on Seafoam in Japanese Blue, though it's extremely rare. Like I did training on there, probably easily hundreds of battles and I found Jynx twice.

I'll probably get Yellow since I never played it, though no DOGARS in that one. (if they do a BW2 remake, will NoA pass up a chance to insert a meme? )

The bad thing about that if they do GSC is that in Gold and Silver it's nearly impossible to get the elemental evolution stones aside from one of each in post-game. (fixed in Crystal. But you can't catch Mareep in Crystal. )

@Dankykong Yeah, I think there's only 3 Moon Stones in RBY. And there's at least four Pokemon that can use it. Strange that in gen 2, Moon and the newly-introduced Sun Stones are farmable.
Almost like they wanted you to use trading with gen 1 games to catch them all...

Playing around with Pokemon Blue on my super GameBoy... I think the games might look a bit better in grayscale than with the added coloring used in Yellow. At least outside of the battles, that is.

Outside of battles, every tile of the background uses only four colors with no variation, because since the player can move around it would be hard to colorize other parts of the map with different colors.

Normally on the classic gameboy these colors would be black, dark grey, light grey and white. The graphics where designed with those colors in mind. On the GameBoy color in red and blue, the game simply loads a pallete with shades of red or blue.

When you play in color (on the super GameBoy, the n64 or with Yellow Version), the game always replaces the "dark grey" with a light blue. This light blue is always present because water was colored using that spot on the palette, so this way water is always blue.

This means that things lose a lot of detail because what would normally be a darker color becomes light blue. This includes shadows, tall grass and things with fine details. Maps end up looking overly bright and weird.

Of course, I would prefer it if they had included the option to play them in the all-red/blue scale from the GameBoy color.

@KingMike: That's the positive way of looking at the Moon stone thing, I always thought it was just because there was a limited number and they wanted to make up for the lack thereof. Yep there are 4 Pokemon that require the Moon Stone to evolve. Nidorina, Nidorino, Clefairy and Jigglypuff. I remember Wigglytuff was one of the last Pkmn I got because I had to wait to trade with someone who had the Pokemon. I remember I traded a Kangaskhan for it because we thought they were equally rare at the time.

I kinda wish this came out at midnight because I'd actually be able to get it immediately. Not like a full retail midnight release where it would take a while to download, costs more or has a physical version I'd prefer...