I have a Switch. And I have a Steam Deck. I am a fancy lady with two consoles designed for the kind of people who really like to be horizontal when playing games, which suits me just fine, because I am often to be found being horizontal and/or playing games. But I see a lot of folks pitting my two expensive rectangles against one another, and although I can see why, I don't agree that comparisons are the most helpful way to look at the two of them.
The Steam Deck and the Switch are not exactly apples and oranges, or chalk and chocolate, or whatever your favourite incomparables are. After all, they're both the same shape. They both play games. And Valve's portable-ish console is clearly modelled after the Switch, anyway.
No, it's more like comparing apples and apple pie. Two similar dishes, united in many elements, but just different enough to have different applications and uses. You wouldn't bring a solitary apple to a bake sale; you wouldn't eat five apple pies a day to keep the doctor away. In the same way, my Switch and my Steam Deck fulfil different needs in my life, and, yes, I am aware that I sound a bit like someone talking about the necessitude of having both a party yacht and a business yacht, but hear me out.
Neither of them are clear winners in this head-to-head, as it turns out. The Deck may look like it's got it all figured out — but I don't think it does, and I don't think we should discount Nintendo's ageing featherweight just because some new upstart welterweight has come along, borrowing from Nintendo's playbook.
First off, the Nintendo Switch was already its own thing way before the Deck came out, and it's earned its place in my heart. I can't play God of War Ragnarok on Nintendo's tiny little tablet of a console, and nor would I want to, because I don't want to know what Kratos' face looks like inside-out, but the Pokémons and Kirbies and Zeldas that I get instead make the Switch a fantastically worthwhile piece of tech to have in my house. It's absolutely paid for itself hundreds of times over, with all the hours I've put into Hyrule, Paldea, and Egg (my Animal Crossing: New Horizons island).
Secondly, I'm mostly playing nothing but Vampire Survivors on my Deck right now, even though it can handle games that are far more taxing on the hardware. The Deck is fantastic for short sessions (as is the Switch), but I'm surprised by how much I value casual play on this handheld little computer. I mean, it's vastly more powerful than the Switch, yet I'm playing 100-hour RPGs on the Switch and casual games on the Deck. Wild!
My opinion of the Steam Deck is also heavily coloured by the fact that it's a chunky lad — 669 grams in total, compared to the Switch's svelte 398 grams with Joy-Con attached. On the plus side, I feel like I'm going to have really beefy forearms after a three-hour session; on the downside, that's a lot of weight to be holding up. I can play the Switch for extended sessions easily, switching between playing with the Joy-Con attached, playing with them removed, and playing in docked mode — the versatility is what keeps it with me. But the Steam Deck is locked to itself, with no removable parts, and that automatically limits it to very specific situations in which I'm willing to hold over half a kilo for an hour or two.
But it's not all bad things, obviously. The Steam Deck has improved on the Switch's formula, too. The Switch is designed to be a Swiss Army Knife — a versatile jack of all trades — and that's just fine by me, but the Steam Deck is admittedly more stylish and thoughtful in its design. I mean, that's not hard — Nintendo has barely iterated on their hybrid console in almost six years, so Valve has half a decade of Nintendo's discarded user feedback that they can use to inform their own blueprints.
There are buttons on the Steam Deck's reverse that you can map to any of the front buttons, making it much easier on my aching wrists. The Hori Split Pad for Switch — which I think must have been on Valve's mood board — has the same feature, and it's invaluable for creating useful quick-access buttons like sprint, interact, or weapon select. The mere fact that you can remap buttons at all is something Nintendo has refused to acknowledge, ever, but the Steam Deck also offers community-made controller layouts for each game, so you can let the armchair experts do all the tough thinking.
Also, the Steam Deck charges from the top. You would think this would be an obvious change, given that most people don't want a charging cable stuck into their belly while they play games, but no. I'll admit that owning a Deck and a Switch means that I'm constantly getting the two charging ports mixed up, and trying to jam a USB-C cable into a place where there is no hole, but overall, I vastly prefer the Deck's upper port.
The innovation in the Steam Deck makes me wish for either a more receptive Nintendo, or a new Switch Pro that takes on a multitude of user-friendly changes. But ultimately, even with all their differences, I just don't prefer one over the other, because despite looking like a Switch and a Switch in a trenchcoat, the two consoles offer two unique experiences.
But I think it's a bit deeper than that, even. When the Steam Deck burst onto the scene, the word on the street was "Switch-killer". How could it not be? This bulky-yet-suave claimant to the throne offered changes that Nintendo was reticent to make; it proved that power was not synonymous with size; and it even has Switch emulators that you can use to make Nintendo's console obsolete. And yet, I keep coming back to the Switch, despite everything.
It's not that I don't prefer one over the other — it's that I don't prefer the Steam Deck to the Switch, even though it feels obvious.
Perhaps it's less like comparing apples and apple pie, and it's more like comparing whisky and Coca-Cola. One is refined, mature, and sophisticated, the kind of thing you can order on a date to impress your paramour. The other is a sweet brown fizzy drink that tastes like itself and nothing else, which has clung onto the soda pop throne for over a century by rarely ever acceding to change, even if the market seems to demand a new trend. It is unabashedly itself, and it works. Sure, drinking neat whisky on the rocks is cool and hip in a lot of circumstances, but sometimes you just want Coke, like you're a five year old with simple needs.
The Steam Deck is my whisky: I feel like a grown-up while playing it, and its uses are vast. I can play eight hours of The Witcher, three hours of Return of the Obra Dinn, or 30 minutes of Vampire Survivors. It's strong, fast, and powerful. I can tell other people about it and they go "ooooh" and think that I am one of those people that owns leather furniture.
The Switch is my Coca-Cola. Everyone might think I am a bit of a child for enjoying it, but tell me, who would turn down a glass of ice-cold Coke on a hot day? Who wants whisky with their cheeseburger? The Switch is a toy. A real toy, not one of those desk toys that CEOs have that let you play a tiny version of golf or watch metal balls clack together. I feel like a kid playing the Switch, and I don't worry about it.
The video game industry is divided, just like the Steam Deck and the Switch, into GAMES FOR GROWN-UPS and GAMES FOR EVERYONE. It's why Nintendo keeps getting shoved into the "Best Family Game" category at awards shows — we just don't know how to celebrate games that are made for a demographical range that includes kids, even if adults enjoy them too. The Switch is a robust, flexible piece of tech that's designed for tiny, sticky hands and larger mitts alike. The Steam Deck is for BIG ADULT HANDS ONLY.
But I am a person who contains multitudes. I am both child-like and adult, casual and hardcore, fun and serious. I wish that there was a console that served both those sides of me, but currently, the industry is severely divided into "fun!" and "all technology should look like military equipment". The Steam Deck and the Switch (and Xbox Game Pass, but that's not the point of this soapbox) cover all my bases, and that's why I like having both. But wouldn't it be great for the next generation to be their child, a hybrid of both hybrids? A whisky and Coke? We can only dream.
Do you agree with Kate, or do you think one yacht with just Coke and apple pies is fine? Are you confused by all these analogies? Tell us your thoughts in the comments below!
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Steam Deck is basically the Atari Lynx right? The Switch is "underpowered" for a reason. Let's just wait patiently for what Nintendo offers next
I’d kill for a Steam Deck but they’re bloody expensive. Don’t play my Switch as much as my Vita because I find it too uncomfortable to play in bed though, and the Deck seems to be even worse for that!
I would very much love a Steam Deck. It can run a lot of games and a lot of other things that would be really convenient to have in a handheld device. Especially when it can run a lot of bigger games better than the Switch ever will.
BUT. The Steam Deck also doesn't have detachable controllers I can split off so I can play puzzle games with my partner while we're snuggling in bed. The Steam Deck doesn't connect to a TV as easily for big-screen play.
The description of "it's more like comparing apples and apple pie" is the most accurate description I've ever read about the "Switch vs. Steam Deck" debate. The distinction between both matters to some, and that's okay. But they both have really amazing qualities that can overlap with each other, and that's okay too.
I love the idea of a Steamdeck but I've learned my lesson. I'm 35 years old and every time I leave Nintendo when I think something better has come along, I enjoy it immensely but always find my way back to Nintendo.
I own a Steam Deck and it's really amazing how good games like God of War or Final Fantasy 7 Remake run on that thing, PS4 level graphic at a constant 30fps (you can even get to a constant 40fps if you lower a few settings)
I've really never at all understood console rivalries. Just play what suits you.
Sibling rivalry
Or.... they are rivals, and that's good because without competition neither is encouraged to improve. And the build quality of the switch does need to improve.
Very well said! I love my Steam Deck (currently playing Uncharted 4, Sackboy, and Gotham Knights) and my Switch (currently playing Boyonetta 3 and wanting to start the new Pokemons). Pros and cons to both and both have a space in my life (and backpack lol).
One point I'm surprised wasn't mentioned is the fact that Switch absolutely DOMINATES at local multiplayer! Its so easy to share the joy-cons and so many games support offline local multiplayer. Sure, there are a few PC games that support it too, but having to get an external kickstand and/or dock + gamepads just isn't the same.
I agree wholeheartedly with this article. I have both and play both. My switch lite just feels so much better to play. The Deck is powerful for sure and I can play a wider variety of games, but the battery doesn't last as long and its BIG!
I still love both though
I have no need for one.
I was wondering how this site was going to crowbar another Steam Deck article in before Christmas. (Lol, just being tongue in cheek. It does look like a nice, albeit expensive, toy.) A PC and a Switch is pretty much the perfect combo, I reckon.
I have a Switch and a gaming pc. I don't have a Deck yet, but I am thinking about it. I love to play games handheld so I might have to grab one soon.
@GrailUK It’s not expensive when you purchase the same games available on the Switch even 10X more cheap through weekly humble-bundles alone.
The only good thing about a steam deck is it should kick Nintendo to make a more powerful system now that there is “competition”.
I have both...but I still prefer playing the Switch more.
@nessisonett It seems that way until you hold a Deck and see that very comfy to hold despite the size.
Nothing beats the Switch on the go though.
I have both, and am currently using the Deck far more. It’ll probably even out, unless I’m able to handle emulation setup and importing games. Then all our other consoles may become redundant.
I got a dock as well, and love being able to play my Steam library on any TV without moving the desktop. I’m a convert.
@Ara If I just bought games willy nilly and amassed a massive backlog then I dare say there is some truth in what you sa-WAIT A MINUTE!
I'm a Nintendo person and pc gamer.
I wouldn't mind a steam deck, but I love my switch and my pc handles whatever else I -need- to play (OMG, they just announced Remnant 2. . .squeeeeeeee! Thus, pc gaming).
Steam decks are fine, but I don't see any reason to ever have one for myself. 90% of my game playing is on my tv and if I really wanted to play steam games I would just use my laptop (either by itself or connected to my tv). For the time I play in handheld, Switch just seems far more comfortable and already has nigh-limitless games on it so I don't need any other options.
I wouldn't mind a Steam Deck personally, but between the Switch and my modded 3DS, it really would be fighting for my time (and space in my bag when I go out).
God of war is on steam deck, ragnarok is not on steam deck as of now. I do see it in a year or 2, but not today. There are several PlayStation exclusives, but they are gimped with no multiplayer.
I got a steam deck a couple months ago to play eldin ring, but with my pc steam library, i have 100 games already, and with the dock you can pick up, now I play spider man, on my tv, with a switch controller. That should tell you how versatile it is.
I own both, and my thoughts basically mirror those presented in the article. The Steam Deck is great, but it's also huge compared to the Switch, its battery doesn't last nearly as long and it doesn't have any physical games. I don't mess with emulators for consoles that are readily available, so I'm fine with sticking with Switch for Nintendo's exclusives.
That being said, there are a lot of games I have on the Deck that I would have bought for Switch if the Deck didn't exist, mostly in the realm of indies. I'm finding less reasons to buy games for Switch if they're not on a cart, so I'm hoping Nintendo has plans to step it up soon.
I’ve got both and for the most part I’m only playing on the Steam Deck at the moment, mostly because there’s lots of games on there that aren’t on the Switch or games that are on the Switch but haven’t included gyro aiming like RE4 (the options for control remapping on the Steam Deck are pretty vast, including adding gyro to games).
The main drawback of the Steam Deck is you still get a lot of the faff you have on PC like external configuration apps, tweaking settings to get it to run right or doing a lot of config to get emulators running properly all of which can be extra fiddly without a keyboard and mouse.
I haven’t stopped playing the Switch entirely but there’s just not much coming out at the moment which I want to play. In terms of size, I find the joycons too small for my hands, so with a set of Binbok controllers on my Switch it’s actually not that much smaller than a Steam Deck! 😅
Good piece here. Don't understand why everything has to be a console war, the Switch is amazing and I'm sure the Deck is too.
Still interested in a Deck at some point. I'm just so busy with the Switch currently, I'd have a hard time justifying another platform.
Let's not forget Steam Deck is custom hardware and cost more then even the OLED Switch-it's not a production cycle system unlike the Switch. And requires an constant active internet connection. And in sense of portability Deck doesn't show that as being very portable friendly since the buttons are just as small. And people saying how good the Deck is? Really so the Switch buttons too small but it's fine on the Deck? Things really don't add up here.
I bought a Switch to play Nintendo games. I like playing Mario, Mario Kart and Zelda. I'm not interested in which system is better. I'm interested in which games I enjoy.
Console wars are just advertising. They want your emotional investment. They want you to build your identity around a product so you will be loyal that product.
I've not touched my Switch since I got my Steam Deck, mainly because there are no new games for the Switch I want, so I'm getting all the games I didn't have access to before.
I find the Deck a lot more comfortable than the Switch to hold, despite the weight there is much less finger cramping.
It was a slight culture shock being purely a console gamer having all these options, sliders and toggles for graphics etc, along with various game launchers (EA's new one doesn't work on Deck apparently, so no Mass Effect) but I'm getting there.
Cyberpunk 2077 ran fantastic and I'm currently on Assassin's Creed Odyssey. With graphics on high though, battery life is barely over an hour.
Forza 4 was a huge disappointment, it ran fine to start and now crashes so often that you a lucky to finish a race, if you can even manage to begin one. It should really be listed as Unsupported.
Steam sales are pretty impressive too. Witcher 3 for example is currently under £7 with all the DLC. Big games are regularly reduced 60-odd percent or more.
I've never been a FPS or graphics tart, but must admit certain games look amazing.
I own a Switch only currently but I also want a Steam Deck, it just makes sense to have another console to play all the games your Switch can't (which is a lot) and if you factor in emulation the deck is a must have for me.
@gloom I wish the Steam Deck and emulation would push Nintendo to radically improve their subscription service and retro online offerings.
@GrailUK,
Yes the old Steam deck article returns, suggesting no competition between the two, while at the same time hinting at the Steam Deck being the better console, and the machine the Switch should be.
Well timed article...
I'm currently rocking an OG switch and have been debating whether or not to grab an OLED (my daughter can make use of current switch), or get a steam deck.
The OLED is appealing because I would love those inky blacks and slightly bigger screen for upcoming games like Fire Emblem and LOZ.
However, maybe if I get the steam deck, I can benefit from the best of both worlds? I could still travel with the OG switch (due to it's convenient size).
Also - do I even have time to play both Nintendo and Steam games? I've already got Disco Elysium, Persona 5 Royal lined up in my library (once I finish Eastward), and then the obvious big Nintendo games of 2023.
Decisions, decisions...
@KevinP
What's the lesson to learn if leaving Nintendo leads to immense enjoyment, lol?
I own a Switch and have looked at the Steam Deck. But for my library purposes, a lot of my games aren't compatible that I would probably want to play. I think I will wait for Steam Deck V2.0 before picking one up.
@Alstil - Disco Elysium is currently 75% off on Steam (so £8.75) if you wanted to play it on a bigger screen and don't mind buying it again.
@Mii_duck
Nice! I'm sure Persona 5 Royal would be amazing on it as well haha.
Have you seriously never heard of sibling rivalry?
I don't think SD is shaped after Switch as much as both tap into the general shape and control layout that can be traced way back to Game Gear days but became even more mainstream with GBA, PSP, Vita and even Wii U GamePad (and NDS/3DS to some extent), although Deck obviously doesn't go for modular controllers and for the hybrid format in general (even its "dock" analogue feels like an afterthought on par with PSP's TV-Out). It's a gaming handheld micro PC that can't match a dedicated console in terms of, well, dedication (which sounds silly until you experience the differences yourself) and it wouldn't replace my Switch in a million years but promises the next best thing in terms of access to many games that aren't [readily expected] on Switch, from the newer stuff that no one can or bothers to optimize to the older stuff that no one can or bothers to dust off, polish, potentially relicense and maybe even unearth the source code to create a port of (seriously, seeing the likes of Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights on Switch wowed me almost as hard as Witcher 3 and NMS but for different reasons😆). If you're bold enough to tinker with the tech and sacrifice even more of its limited console software semblance by installing Win10, even recent generation emulators like RPCS3 become a viable and rather tempting option. And who, pray tell, would need to emulate BotW or SMO when they could have portable Xenoblade X or Tales of Xillia at long last instead? Or Xenosaga trilogy and, say, God Hand (imagine the latter re-released today😅)? That's what Steam Deck is for - not to upstage Switch but to complement it. Even Valve's own comments concur. And this is what puts me in the market for it... although preferably not a market where it's an import with over my three monthly wages on the pricetag.😅
I’ve come here just to say that thumbnail is great
The Steam Deck still has a long way to go, and PC gaming further to go, before they rival the simplistically of inserting a Switch cartridge and playing. The whole tweak your PC game until you get a good balance of graphics and frame rate is what eventually pushed me towards consoles. When on PC I was wasting a good 4-8 hours with each new game, testing settings, trying to get a good balance. It was not fun, but a chore. The Steam Deck largely appears to be the same, aside from the tweaks Valve makes for the popular games available on the Deck. But even then, most users are then tweaking to get as much battery or to reduce thermals. Again, a chore.
I have a pc and have never played my switch in handheld mode so the deck would be useless to me. I would only use it in docked mode.
@Koda1000 - the tweaking put me off as well, to be honest. I'm used to 'plug and play' when it comes to games.
Tomb Raider (2015), AC Odyssey, Grid, Cyberpunk 2077 - in the end I just set them to High or Ultra and they seem to run OK.
Cyberpunk has a dedicated Deck setting, I can see more games offering that if the Deck becomes more popular, though a Ubisoft advisor said recently that they don't give any specific technical attention to the Deck - as in it's down to luck if the games run on it!
Siblings? Sure, siblings, just like the Xbox X/S and PS5. What a stupid take.
Only a consumer, an owner of all consoles would treat them like “siblings” (hence this write-up).
In the business world, no, they are most definitely rivals, especially when one can “take” the others exclusives and advertises as much.
@RushDawg The lesson is that I enjoy a lot of different products and tech on the market. ¯(ツ)/¯
But as I stated, even with that enjoyment, it's short lived and I return to Nintendo.
And yet people will create a non existent hate and love relationship between both, for no reason.
Won’t go to deep into who and why, I don’t see the need to stir up a discussion, because saying the truth doesn’t mean others will agree to it.
For me I like both, because at heart I am a PC and handheld gamer since I was 9.
And I don’t see myself not gaming on my 3ds, Switch, Vita and so on because I got a Deck, my Deck is for PC gaming when I am not behind my PC, so just like before I got my Deck, I keep playing on both like I did in the past 20+ years.
@CharlieGirl I would agree on the joycons if their quality wasn’t piss poor (replaced my analog 4 times before giving up after 2,5 years)
Got a split pad pro and never looked back, and for docked I use the pro controller instead.
Anyhow I like both, but I would never use my Steam Deck docked because I have a PC that can do much more, so Deck is for when I am not behind my desk, and it syncs my saves.
My Switch on the other hand is meant for both, so there is that.
Since I got my Steam Deck I have got zero games for my Switch and cancelled my NSO sub. I simply cannot go back and to be honest I was never a big fan of the Switch. It seemed like a Mattel toy and did not have the usual Nintendo hardware top build quality. I got drift very fast and the console stops charging randomly. They joy cons sort of rattle when I attach them. Also, it has corrosion for some reason and no other electronic I have had ever this problem.
Size, battery life, portability, price, these things are "features" too. It really annoys me when people act like the only feature that's important is a system's horsepower. I like a well balanced system, and the Switch serves me just fine.
Yeah that's cool but can we get Nintendo games on steam so I only need 1 system/handheld please
@GrailUK
yeah steam deck always seemed more like it was in the portable PC category and more a rival to something like the GPDwin.
though tbh i wouldnt mind seeing the switch having some competition in the dedicated handheld market, its a pity the vita never really took off and basically killed off sonys handheld division since it was a nice piece of hardware outside of some questionable choices like those memory cards.
at mentioned in other topics im really hoping that the follow up of the switch refines the idea and make use of the advancements in mobile tech and keep the emphasis on player choice when it comes to "how" the games are played rather than making you play their way like with the wii and to lesser extent the wiiu (switch showed that you can still experiment with things like labo and ring fit)
The Deck is actually my most regretted purchase of 2022. I just... don't find I have any use for the thing. Poor battery life and general clunkiness means it's not really portable and it's been a chore whenever I've taken it on commutes (I fly frequently and take the bus to work - the Deck has stopped accompanying me on both), and the ability to play AAA games is largely cancelled out by the fact that they suck batteries like nothing else. I have a PC and PS5 if I really want to play those said games.
The only real value I've gotten out of it is the ability to play Indies that haven't made it to the Switch yet. Even then, the Switch is such a superior machine for me I've deliberately passed on games that I am interested in when I know they're coming to the Switch (Gordian Quest, 30xx).
Steam Deck can be played like a casual portable console where you just install verified games and run them without tinkering, but doing this would be missing out on like 80% of what the console can do.
I like having both - Switch is guaranteed to be an easy user experience, but lacks control and customization, while Steam Deck has much more ability to play the games I want and tailor my UI, sounds, apps, etc. but it can also be frustrating sometimes if you're not familiar with PC gaming.
Still, I hope Valve and Nintendo keep each other in check, competition ensures a better product for the consumer.
I love the concept of the Steam Deck, and am super happy that it's so successful, and that Valve is dedicated to keeping the hardware line going indefinitely, since it means pretty soon all games will be available in hybrid form factor (especially with Sony porting their catalogue to PC).
With that said, given you don't NEED to own a Steam Deck to play certain games, I think I'm content to let other people iron out the kinks with the OS, game compatibility, and even the build quality (I'm desperately hoping we get an OLED variant of the Deck down the line) for the moment as I play on the systems I already currently own.
But yeah, between controller customization features and the possibility for hybrid gaming with the Deck, I think, in terms of future investments, I'm pretty firmly in Valve's camp when it comes to secondary platforms. A Valve hybrid and a Nintendo hybrid are all you need to play almost everything.
@EvrgrnCmln Your story is one I've seen a lot lately, it's definitely not for every gamer. You should be able to sell it pretty easily, they're still selling out now and again.
For my use case, the Steam Deck works really well - I mostly play semi-older games that still look really sharp like Mafia II, Oblivion, Dead Rising 2, etc. and even on max settings, the battery life for games like this is usually around 4-5 hours or more. My gaming sessions are usually only 2-3 hours, so this is plenty for me. When I fly, I just use the USB port in front of me and I can play endlessly.
I understand the fantasy of wanting to play a AAA game on ultra settings for hours while travelling, but the screen is literally 7-inches so it makes more sense to me to play slightly older game that still looks amazing for way more battery life.
@SwitchForce "And requires an constant active internet connection."
Sorry to correct you, but this isn't true.
I use Offline mode all the time, sometimes for 1-2 weeks at a time.
Spot on. They have a slight overlap but these are very different purposes each device serves. Lol whenever someone makes the case that Nintendo needs better specs and games from other libraries. They move their consoles because they have more iconic video game franchises than anyone else. They make a profit because they sell repackaged cheap tech. Most every model Nintendo makes has been either underpowered or laughably out of date when it launched. It's a wonderful business model they've carved out, and the Switch will do nothing but further embolden them to stick with it. The Switch 2 will probably arrive in a few years and be weaker than the first Steam Deck. And it'll sell because it's the only place you're getting Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Splatoon, Smash Bros, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade...
Honestly the nice whisky and Classic Coke is a great way to put it.
Please don't give coke to 5-year-olds
@CharlieGirl not sure why detachable controllers is a complaint. Any Bluetooth controller will work even joycons too.
Also hooking up to a tv is super easy to do, it uses a dock like the switch
I've had my Steam Deck for several months and I will say that it hasn't replaced my Switch. I still get new Switch games strictly for the Switch itself. The Deck does require a lot more patience and tinkering, especially if you're new to Linux like I was. Took me about a solid week until my Deck was set up for the most part (installed my own PC games and I've also set up emulation on it), and there are still times that I need/want to tinker. It's not necessarily a bad thing - it's interesting to find out how everything works and it's awesome when you change only one or two settings for it to work wonders.
That said the Deck does offer quite a bit of what I don't have on the Switch (as I haven't hacked my Switch and don't plan to). I can play plenty of my favorites already on my Steam account - Fallout 3, New Vegas, 4, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 (with mods no less), some older PC games from when I was a kid like Spider-Man 3, Web of Shadows, Shrek 2, so on so forth. I can play my GameCube, Wii, and 3DS games I ripped using my modded Wii and 3DS, and for the most part they work like a charm. But on the other hand it's also one solid unit, and I tend to have issues when trying to connect it to a TV with a controller (usually hit or miss with my experience). Both handhelds have their ups and downs, but yeah at the end of the day I don't see one replacing the other.
Already have a gaming pc for all my needs, no need for a steam deck, but I like the idea.
Got the Deck for Madden and Steam sales….
@Rayquaza2510 I don't disagree about the Joy Cons being low quality. I've had to replace them twice.
But when they work, they are super duper convenient for comfy two-player action in tabletop mode.
The Nintendo Switch belongs to the hybrid family of handhelds (Sega Nomad, Turbo Express, SupaBoy, Retro Duo Portable, NeoGeo X Gold, PokeFami DX, AtGames Sega Genesis Portable Handheld, RetroGen Portable, Atari VCS Portable by Ben Heckendorn, etc.) while the Steam Deck belongs to the portable PC lineup (GPD Win, AYA Neo, OpenPandora, Anbernic Win600, OneXPlayer, etc.). They are both very different.
If anything, the Steam deck takes everything great about Switch and pushes it further. If Nintendo builds on the Switch, as I think they should, and don't go into WiiU mode, they have to push it further than Valve has done with the deck.
That's my hope.
I was a pc gamer, before I got the Switch. Since then, I hardly use my Steam library anymore. The Switch enables me to immerse in joyful and beautiful worlds, whether I am chilling at home or in a hurry at a go. The worlds of Zelda, Pokemon, ACNH are each one of a kind. By now my pc favourites have also been ported, including NieR Automata and Hollow Knight. And then, there are still many options left for me to explore, such as Persona 5, Xenoblade Chronicles.
With such game titles, you can see that I love a good art style over 'realistic' graphics. Immersion in a totally different world doesn't require it.
The only game that I still regularly play on PC is Divinity: Original Sin 2, because there is no cross-platform multiplayer and my friends don't have a switch. It is a bit of a hastle if I want to play this on tv with controller and no portable option.
Out of environmental concerns, the less hardware we need, the better. Even as an avid gamer, it is part of the calculation whether an extra console is worth it.
@Pikki
My question would be if Valve possibly dropping support is even relevant.
I mean, even if they do, the system will just continue to work as it does now. Since it just runs most pc games, there is also no chance of it not getting any more games.
Also, I would personally be surprised if they did. Steam Deck seems too successfull to drop. Most dropped Valve hardware was basically dead in the market already at that point.
Can't see the future, so no guarantees of course, but I am not too worried about this one.
@ketrac,
Yes so surprising considering it was released years after the Switch, and one of the core players biggest gripes with the Switch is it's 720P screen. So nice to see this is alive and well, and obviously no issue on the Steam deck..... seriously you could not make any of this up if you tried.
But I do agree with you, if Nintendo make a new Switch.... they should make it more powerful.
think its about preferences! if you wanna play games which they switch cant - then the steam deck might be a good alternative. I just wish they would make the next switch way more powerful, I dont wanna miss out on games like persona6
The switch is my main console let alone handheld. I want a handheld PC but at the moment most of them have pretty poor battery life and are too bulky. So I'll just wait patiently to see what the PC market comes up with.
I won't be buying a Steam Deck as for me the button layout is a joke. They're very obviously too high which makes playing uncomfortable (I tried it at EGX)
If I ever buy another handheld/tv device to compliment my Switch I'll go for an Anbernic RG503 to play retro games on.
The pros of the Switch:
1) Unrivalled exclusives
2) Physical games
3) The Switch is also incredibly stable while the Steam Deck is unsurprisingly a buggy mess.
4) Exceptional battery life from V2 onwards
5) That gorgeous OLED model
However, Nintendo has become absolutely lazy over the past year with a subpar online gaming experience, milking games that are nearly a decade old at this point with lazy DLC (looking at you Mario Kart 8 Deluxe), joy-con drift, and subpar visuals/optimisation on even the new exclusives. The Switch is undeniably the most anti-consumer console Nintendo has ever released.
Thank god that the Steam Deck is here, as I’m starting to lose my faith in Nintendo, although I am rooting for their success. The Steam Deck meanwhile has:
1) Free online play
2) The ability to remap controls as standard
3) The ability to download Linux programs (including web browsers or office suites) and add them to gaming mode
4) Over a decades worth of games on Steam alone, with a lot of old and new games that will never see a Switch port
5) Being able to control the performance and visuals of each game individually, through settings menus or configuration files
6) Constant game sales and Humble Bundles
7) Decky - a collection of plugins where you can control screen colours, run multiple games by pausing them individually, change when the fan starts, and control playing music during gameplay.
8) The device can be user repairable
9) Endless emulation options
10) Being able to use external game launchers
So, I haven’t touched my Switch OLED much since I got the Steam Deck at all, and I’m considering selling the Switch OLED (economic crisis and all that). It’s such a shame as I’ve had every Nintendo handheld console since the DSi, and it’s solely through the current actions of Nintendo that I’m starting to lose faith. If/when they release the Switch Pro/2, I might reconsider.
I have switch and still want the steam deck, but it's so expensive in my country. I want the steam deck since not only it's a powerful hardware but because steam games are really cheap in Indonesia, like really really cheap, lol.
The Steam Deck is a joke compared to the PS Vita. It's too big, too heavy, uncomfortable, overheating and battery charge is ridiculous. It's obvious Steam lack experience in making hardware.
@iam12741 excellent post. Perfectly expresses how I feel. Haven’t really played much of my Steamdeck bc as you mention, it can be a buggy mess and you have to learn the nuances of the system to make it right.
On the other hand, the Switch is so under powered- not that I care so much about the graphics and obsess over frame rates , but the load times are atrocious for us being near the dawn of 2023 and performance on rather simple games can suffer.
Just a Switch. I prefer Steam games on my rig. I also have a laptop that has civ, xcom etc installed if I really need portable PC games. Switch for everything else.
@rockodoodle Thank you so much! I was so worried I was going to get downvoted all the way to the ground. I’ve been playing on the Steam Deck all the time for basically the same reasons that you haven’t yet (getting the nuances of the system to work is like it’s own game for me). The load times aren’t too much of an issue for me (my 64GB Steam Deck is about on par), but it’s the fact that all the latest exclusives seem to be subpar in some way that does it for me - the newest Pokémon game being broken is shocking but not surprising to me at all. It’s such a shame as I think that 2017 - 2020 Nintendo was the best company out of the big three and running circles around the other two.
I told my brother I wanted a switch and he yelled at me and gave me a really good reason for only getting a Steam Deck. So now I only want a Steam Deckwhen I stop being broke. Steam Decks can easily emulate Switch games, and it's not illegal, so after all, why not! It's only illegal to hand out ROMs, I can download all I want. So Steam Deck it is!
I bought a Steam Deck to compliment my Switch and I’ve been pretty surprised by how little I’m enjoying it. I don’t have a gaming PC so I’m not one of those people walking into the Deck with hundreds of games ready to play, and I’ve had a bad time navigating the Steam Deck’s store (because there is no Steam Deck store, only a Steam store where half the games aren’t compatible with your console) and that has proven to be enough of a headache that I’m having a hard time forming a bond with the thing. I continue to reach for the Switch every time because I like it. I’ve formed an emotional bond with it because it shows me cool games I can play and then enables me to play them. The Deck demands tinkering and research (which are things I enjoy sometimes but not when they’re standing between me and playing games) and it feels like it’s fighting against me instead of enabling cool experiences for me.
If you have a huge Steam library (and equally enormous hands and forearms) then I’m sure it’s a great accessory for your gaming PC, but as a console it’s really lacking that plug-and-play experience. The system itself never fades into the background and I just don’t enjoy thinking about how to maximize my battery life or researching how to make an unsupported game work.
Any time there’s a game available on both I’m happy to pay twice as much for the Switch version with half the performance because I’d just rather be playing on the Switch.
My Deck replaced my PS5. If anything, I wind up using my Switch about as much as the Deck.
I wouldn’t say they’re siblings, it’s more like PC and mobile gaming. Gabe said he doesn’t see the Switch as a competitor, rather a partner. Gabe wants to break Windows grips on PC gaming, whereas the Switch has appeal to all sides of gaming, especially mobile gamers who ditched PC years ago. There’s over 2.1 billion mobile gamers versus the combined 1 billion with PC and consoles. Mobile buyers don’t mind having multiple devices either, as long as they’re simple to use. The Deck doesn’t fit that category at all, especially when it comes to compatibility.
No physical games is a deal breaker for me. Although on the plus side Steam often sells digital games on sale for about what I believe they’re actually worth, a few dollars.
@nessisonett Steam Deck owner here. the console is actually really comfortable to hold, even more so in bed. unlike the switch's joycons it has grips akin to a traditional controller so you can get a good grip on it and the buttons and joysticks aren't also all squished down either. the system also has the charging port on the top so it is easy to charge the system in bed without fraying the cable or jabbing yourself in the stomach. overall, if it wasn't for the point about the price you mentioned earlier i would whole heatedly recommend one to you
@chefgon what games where you trying to play? i have had my deck for almost a year now and the only games i have run into that need any kind of tinkering are emulated games (their legally acquired before anyone goes bashing me), and games that come from third party sources such as gamejolt or itch.io. most AAA games or even indie games have run flawlessly for me with no work required (Examples include Red Dead Redemption 2, Sims 4, Starbound, Terraria, Unturned, both Doki Doki Literature Clubs, and first two volumes of Nekopara)
@glaemay have you held one? The system isn't actually that heavy and uncomfortable to hold with size (having maybe a total inch over the OG switch) and for the power that it packs over both the Switch and Vita i can excuse the weight
@Clyde_Radcliffe how is the button layout a joke? it's almost the exact same as an traditional controller with the addition of two touch pads
@Kirgo Valve has already started discussion of a second model of Steam Deck and what improvements they plan on making for it
@Poco_Lypso If Nintendo is going to keep the switch within a reasonable price point geared towards a younger audience like they do now then sadly the switch will never be on par with things that run AAA games. though looking at your example of Persona 6, most likely the switch will be able to run it, Sony will just stand in they way like they did for Persona 5
@Serpenterror I agree with you. i think it's worth npting that the second family you listed could be tied back to the even older UMPC family (Ultra Mobile PC). they were basically a smaller computer with keyboard shoved to the side, much akin to the PsVita, switch, or steam deck
@CharlieGirl i wouldn't call the joy cons on the sides comfy, but i do agree, they can be VERY convenient, especially when your a controller short. i just wish more games supported them
@Astral-Grain i agree with you, but i also think it's worth noting that with the small screen size you most likely won't be able to tell a difference with AAA games on ultra
@Ralizah Most likely as mentioned with battery life, with won't see a OLED steam deck for a while. OLED screens consume up to 5X the power of the LED brethren . it's part of the reason we had to wait so long for a witch with an OLED screen
@MyNameIsAtticus If that were true, you'd expect a drop in battery life on the SWOLED compared to the V2, wouldn't you? Yet battery life comparisons for the OLED model tend to match or exceed those for the V2, despite the internals being nearly identical.
@Ralizah in an interview on Nintendo's official website(https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-2-nintendo-switch-oled-model-part-4/) a employee stated that the OLED uses "new semiconductor technology"that is "able to reduce the power consumption significantly". a earlier version of this Semi Conductor technology was also seen in the HAC-001(-01) revision of the Switch released in 2019 which allowed for better battery life then the original (upwards of 2 hours) & a brighter screen
@MyNameIsAtticus
"By adopting a new semiconductor technology, we were able to reduce the power consumption significantly. As a result, we have offered this model with extended battery life to our customers since 2019. This SoC with lower power consumption is also implemented in Nintendo Switch – OLED Model."
It sounds like the same semiconductor technology is present in both the 2019 revision and the OLED model. It obviously explains the longer battery life for both models, but not the lack of a difference in battery life between the two.
@MyNameIsAtticus It's been a while now so I don't remember all the details, but I do remember for sure that Wolfenstein 3D was listed as Playable and I couldn't control it no matter what I did. I tried a dozen different things in the settings - mapping to gamepad, mapping to keyboard, half a dozen different proton versions - nothing worked. I suspect it worked when they verified it and then something changed in a system update and it didn't work anymore but nobody noticed.
@MyNameIsAtticus I know everyone is going to have personal preferences for controllers but I never got used to the size and weight of my Deck. It's still kind of a chore to hold and interact with after several months. It's not unusable by any means, but I'd much rather have something smaller and cozier. I'd jump on a Deck Lite if they made one closer to Switch size without the touchpads (which take up a ton of space for a feature I virtually never use) and removed the giant handles on the back.
@MyNameIsAtticus thats sadly the case Im afraid. kids wont notice the difference after all. I just hope for backwards compatibility - but that would potentially mean less profit for nintendo if they cant sell all those games again at full price, lol.
They can be both. cough Dante and Vergil
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