From the very first second of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, I was hooked. The game begins with a gentle twinkling music and a book opening to tell you the story of an ancient, ruined town lost to time, and the fabled treasure buried there; once you've listened to the whole story (and seen Peach herself buying a mysterious treasure from a dodgy-looking vendor) then the iconic fanfare plays, and the curtains draw back to reveal the title screen. This is your adventure, now.
It's not the kind of story that you'd expect from a Mario game — most Mario games begin with someone nabbing Princess Peach, or Bowser doing something dastardly — but TTYD sets its scene instead in the sordid and ramshackle town of Rogueport, built on top of the ruins of that city, whose legend has been long forgotten.
But all that depthy stuff doesn't make Paper Mario's second outing into a serious game. Thousand-Year Door is full of incredible setpieces, weird and wacky theming (train murder mystery, bottle episode in a wrestling ring, shipwrecks and pirate gold), and character moments that flesh out a fair few of Mario's pals, old and new.
Luigi, for example, is off having his own adventure where he tries to save Princess Eclair, the ruler of Waffle Kingdom who keeps getting kidnapped by the evil Chestnut King; the entire story is a spoof of Mario's own adventures, leaning heavily on the tropes that everyone has come to expect from a Mario RPG.
Mario's companions throughout the game have fascinating backstories, which is surprisingly rare for RPGs at the time — you're lucky if your sidekick gets much more than a name and a dead parent. Vivian is suffering from imposter syndrome, no thanks to her bullying siblings; Admiral Bobbery basically has PTSD following the death of his wife; the fantastic (secret) companion Ms Mowz is a semi-antagonistic, Robin-Hood-meets-your-grandma sort of figure who's a massive flirt.
RPGs are usually full of combat, story, and adventure, but the thing that set Thousand-Year Door apart was its lively, interesting cast and the inventive settings. It's a treat to find out where you'll be going each time, and although TTYD suffers from a lot of the same problems as most RPGs (backtracking, tedious escort missions, railroading), there's always something to be delighted by as you do the boring stuff. TTYD elevates and revitalises a lot of the series-standards, from Toads to Goombas and even Mario himself, giving each one of them personality and uniqueness beyond their usual roles as enemies and helpers.
But the combat isn't bad, either. The addition of timed attacks and parries turns the (in my opinion) passivity of standard turn-based battles into something much more active, making that waiting time in-between attacks much more vital to survival and success. The use of Flower Points (FP) for special moves and Star Power (SP) for showstopper moves made each fight into a matter of strategic balance; outside of battle, you could even change how Mario and pals fought with the use of Badges that changed and added attacks.
Different enemies required different plans of attack, after all — spiky shells meant no jumping; certain enemies were skittish and would run away or explode if you took too long; and right before boss battles you'd want to upgrade your HP and FP as much as possible. Add to that the strange but alluring Appeal system, in which the crowd would reward you with SP and even HP-restoring items, and the slot machine that would come up if you performed enough Action Commands perfectly, and it felt like there was always something going on.
It's strange that all the Paper Mario games that came after each tried to re-invent the wheel: Super Paper Mario went with real-time combat, Sticker Star and Color Splash used one-time-use battle gimmicks, and Origami King invented the confusing and divisive ring system that turned every battle into a spatial puzzle. Thousand-Year Door's combat wasn't perfect, but it was a lot more fun than all the other attempts in later games.
I personally think that Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door is not only the best Paper Mario game, but one of the best games of all time. I'm not alone in this — the boxed game rarely sells for less than $100 second hand, and there's a petition with over 50k signatures to get it remastered — but I think that it still stands up today on a repeat playthrough, because of how timeless it is.
TTYD is the Wind Waker of Mario games: an entry in a beloved series that tried something really new and exciting, perhaps never to be repeated. Seventeen years on from its debut, I still treasure it as a game I could come back to at any point in my life and be just as entertained as I was back then. If only we could get another like it.
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It’s still one of the best GameCube games and has aged magnificently. I really need to play it again soon!
And it’ll never EVER get an HD remaster.
I love the first three Paper Mario games a lot.
... but then nintendo decided to pull a nintendo and completely sterilised the series from everything that made the first three interesting.
I actually prefer Super Paper Mario 😳
I want to play this so bad. I hope it’s remade/remastered/rereleased someday.
Great game, awful fanbase
It broke my heart for me as i will never able to get TTYD with cheaper price.
I have never played TTYD and I cannot tell how good is TTYD so if TTYD is unbuyable due to inflated price, I just moving on and play something else.
This game is still the best Paper Mario game hands down. I'd say I'm still waiting for a new one of this excellence but that's never going to happen anymore because of certain stupid policies Nintendo has in place right now.
Hoping an HD remake will happen for this game...would be nice.
"I see what I desire. I see myself holding the [Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door for Nintendo GameCube]. But how do I get it?!"
-Prof. Quirrell
I don’t think Nintendo would remake it, but they really should
Still have my release day copy in mint condition, along with my Cube which is a release day machine still with its box, ready to play.
Can't wait for Nintendo to remake it, this is why I keep all my consoles and games for them.
I prefer super paper Mario but is a good game. Still have my copy and the game still looks beautiful today
I just want to play this Bloody GAME! 😢
It’s still one of my favorite games of all-time along with the original N64 titles. Even after really enjoying my time with The Origami King, I still come back to the original two titles and am amazed at how good they are.
I didn’t get to read the full article but it’s seemed really good so far, will finish it all up tonight!
@Nin10dood Whereas I have two copies scratched to bits because I played games as a kid instead of hoarding them away. If only I knew their value now 😂
Yea it's pretty good. I could think of a lot of other jrpgs that better than it tho.
I feel like a lot of the Mario spin-offs peaked during the GameCube era. Mario Golf Toadstool Tour and Mario Kart Double Dash are probably my favourites in their series too.
Another article for me to cope with the fact that we'll never get another good paper Mario ever again. Thank you
It's for sure a masterpiece. I don't think I've ever met anyone who would argue otherwise.
I'm so glad that my brother never gave his copy of TTYD away, and I don't have to spend upwards of $100 to play it. It's a great game, and while I do like the modern Paper Marios, I prefer this game to them.
I bought this game on eBay earlier this year to relive some childhood memories, and I fully intended to resell it once I was finished since it’s way too expensive. But I just can’t bring myself to sell it, it’s too good.
@nessisonett
Haha, yeah, I play mine too except I take extreme care with all my games.
I have alll my N64 games complete in box, all mint.
It helps that my parents told me to take care with all my toys as they will be worth a lot of money one day.
They used to hide the toys/games/ comics I lost interest in and store them away.
So glad I had parents who were reliving their childhood through me
😁
@Nin10dood Not to be rude, but why didn't you open your GameCube after all this time? You had a copy of the game, and a working system to play it on, so why not just play it on the GameCube?
It is annoying that Nintendo got so much right with this game, yet stubbornly refuse to take another look at it and instead wander aimlessly with the series. I get the newer Paper Mario games have their fans, and good on them, but for me, they'll never have the same spark to them.
I appreciate the love people still have for this game. I was at a game convention this past weekend and I saw two siblings cosplaying as Goombella and Admiral Bobbery. Love folks like them keeping the memory of the good times of Paper Mario alive.
@ObeseChihuahua2
I did open it.
I meant I still have the original box it came in complete with all manuals, baggies etc.
It is like new, I also have a brand new one unopened as a spare.
I buy a second console at the end of their lifecycle on clearance for cheap as a spare in case.
I have done this since the GameCube.
I have a second Xenoblade Edition Wii U unopened, i keep as spares.
I will do the same for the Switch at the end of its lifecycle, usually when the successor is being released.
I played Origami King and I loved it so much that I wanted to play more paper mario, so I tried this one and sorry but could not stand it. Levels drag too much and the enemy encounter is annoying.
Also I realized something, in modern games I got accostumed to always find something if I step away from the main story path, with this game I felt unconfortable cause there weren't many hidden things.
This game was truly something special.
A stone cold classic. I recently started playing this with my 6 year old after we completed the origami King and colour splash back to back. This was my first taste of a paper mario game and it's yet to be beaten in my opinion. Also 17 years!! feels old and reaches for slippers and hot chocolate
@Nin10dood Oh, okay. Sorry for my confusion.
@Ultimapunch And it’ll never EVER get an HD remaster.
It doesn't need one.
I’ve owned it forever, but never really got into it. It’s probably a fine game
YES! I don't care WHAT the "Kinda Overrated" Hate Brigade thinks! This game is, indeed, a masterpiece!
📃This was on my GC Wishlist back in the day but I never got round to playing it.
I would if it were to be re-released.
I didn't beat it, but I really liked what I played of it back when I had a Gamecube. Would be very cool to get it on Switch!
The newer ones will never be memorable as this. The game is one of a kind.
TTYD is the Wind Waker of Mario games: an entry in a beloved series that tried something really new and exciting, perhaps never to be repeated.
Is Paper Mario 64 a joke to you?
@Euler Maybe I would compare Paper Mario 64 to Smash 64, and TTYD to Melee. The former laid the groundwork for the series, and the latter expanded it greatly, Then again, that would be implying that the Smash Bros series has gone downhill ever since, which is false.
I just want to play this one legit 100% nintendo console. I was too young and not as well off to get a gamecube and only started my home Consoles with the next generation (handhelds were a different story).
Basically I can get every paper mario game for less than £20 or so apart from TTYD which goes for upwards of £150! This along with Fire Emblem Path of Radiance make me really wish for ports, remasters or something like this.
By far the best paper Mario game and might be my favourite Mario game of all time! The storyline, characters, designs, fighting and humour is incredible. One of those games I can always go back to. So unfortunate that Nintendo will likely never go back to this formula which made Paper Mario so fantastic.
I couldn't figure out how to rescue the female ghost with boos and gave up. So I can't really say it's the best.
My copy is scratched to shiz so I've had to resort to emulation. But this game is still a blast to play, I would pre-order a Switch copy
@Ultimapunch Sure, and they were NEVER going to launch a new Metroid game or do anything again with Advance Wars.
I prefer Super Paper Mario… but TTYD is pretty good too
There's clearly demand but the lack of availability makes this an "ARRR... MATEY!" situation.
Nintendo could port the game to the Switch, charge $30 and make a small fortune. Plus it's highly demanded from fans, along with other Gamecube classics.
gamecube era was such a fun time, ttyd especially felt like a very COMPLETE paper mario game. it didnt try an be a one trick pony experimenting with gimmicks, it was simply building on the previous game to be even more grand and polished
its a shame they want to wipe our memory of this game existing
Such a great game, I finally hit max level 99 earlier this year! It only took 17 years and dozens of trips through the pit of 100 trials.
Time to play it through again!
@Anti-Matter Reminds me that I still need to play Bug Fables.
I still have this game on GameCube, goes for a pretty penny now and out of the Paper Mario games I have played it is definitely the best, looking forward to playing Paper Mario 64 when the games are added later this month.
Paper Mario is really going through an unnecessarily identity crisis. I don't mind experimental game formulas, but you can't go too far from the original game's formula. Zelda did this right, Paper Mario did this wrong.
I loved The Origami King. It has an amazing soundtrack and memorable gameplay. But, it doesn't help that it's yet another change to the formula.
@ModdedInkling Agreed, Origami King was pretty good. But, still waiting for that throwback to something close to the original formula!
@Phillips455 Remember that most Wii models can play Gamecube games, so you just need to track down the disk and a Gamecube controller.
@ObeseChihuahua2 Well put.
Just keep waiting, I'm sure Nintendough will "remaster" it for an easy 60 bucks.
@Yosher I'm not sure Nintendo has anything to do with it. Intelligent Systems, the developers, say it's their choice to do something new each time & they're not forced by Nintendo one way or the other. They say they are only allowed to use certain established characters in the Mario universe for the games, which is why the newest one uses colored pencils etc as boss enemies, but the gameplay is on the developer, not Nintendo, if they are telling the truth.
@ModdedInkling exactly. They could have used a different game or spinoff for those ideas & used paper Mario for what the fans of it want. Japanese developers all seem to want to move away from turn based gameplay, sadly.
@Jimmy_G_Buckets Nintendo charge $30? Hah, good one.
The writing/story and the gameplay can't be beat. It's my favourite GameCube title, beating Metroid prime. I want a sequel, and a remaster.
Ah yes, my favourite game that I’ve never played.
I would like to, but I can’t afford the setup cost of the game, a gc controller and memory card…
Why is the one system I missed the one Nintendo has yet to port regularly?
Having played the GBA Fire Emblem games, I immediately went to buy this because it had Intelligent Systems in the boxart. Unfortunately, the game never grabbed me and it's my least played GC game to this day.
Should've gotten Path of Radiance back then, much regret.
Super Paper Mario has the best story out of the REAL PM games, but Thousand Year Door is a very holistic game. Love it. It's a shame Nintendo ruined the series 🤷♂️
@twztid13 Story goes that Miyamoto forced the change with Sticker Star because customers on Club Nintendo said the story was too long winded. He decided that Paper Mario didn't need more than a basic story and that Mario didn't need two RPG series (the other being Mario and Luigi).
There is no doubt in my mind that Nintendo tampers with Paper Mario and that it's not all on Intelligent Systems.
I suggest Bug Fables to anyone who is a fan of the first 2 Paper Marios. It's also on gamepass so it may not cost you anything extra to give it a try.
Paper Mario franchise at its best before Nintendo drove it to the ground.
With all due respect to the incredible first two entries in the Mario RPG catalog, this remains the solid gold standard. Just a top-to-bottom triumph. Rock [Hawk] on, my friends.
@twztid13 The limit on character usage is part of the issue here, really.
Sounds fun. Would love a way to play on current hardware. coughNSOcoughcoughcough
I feel lucky to have the original disc, playable on my GameCube via a Retrobit Prism. I hope it gets a rerelease. Every Nintendo fan should enjoy this classic. It's better than most modern games.
It's definitely a masterpiece, the very best of the series, a 9.5/10 game. I will always remember the great time I had with it.
But people here really should go play Origami King by themselves and stop listening to youtubers and haters. It's such a fantastic game, the second best in the series, imo.
@Euler
Just to correct you most Wii’s do not play GameCube games.
I bought a Wii last year for the duel purpose of it being able to play GameCube and Wii games and it’s only the early models that have this capability.
After that they switched the models and they can only play Wii games.
Just for anyone who is considering this option.
Also on a side note I spent about £120 on TTYD at the same time.
Steep price for sure but personally Nintendo don’t pander to what the fans want and Im not sure this game will ever be remade again so copies will only ever go up in price.
Lastly (and my opinion only) I thought the Origami King was very bland and although looked pretty wasn’t anywhere near TTYD and super paper Mario.
I sold my copy after playing around half the game.
I've just started playing this for the 1st time! Its very good and rather enjoyable so far.
Instead of paying £50 for new games I decided to go back and play the ones I missed.
This is the only Paper Mario I haven't played, and I just cant justify paying so much for a copy. Wish they would just re-master it and bring it out on switch or as a Paper Mario collection, now that I would put down mega money for...
@Euler thats the problem. The disc is rare Joe and very expensive. The paper mario original game is 9n the WiiU for £10 or so and the rest are relatively easy to get cheaply.
TTYD is a good game , but it doesn't match the grandiose people put behind it.
This game gets credited for things Paper Mario 64 did...and were done better there.
The partners abilities and battle moves are almost all recycled from Paper Mario 64. With Flurries being the only really new one, being attached to a very buggy puzzle with the Punies or otherwise a glorified key.
The partners are basically not detailed personalities. The single sentences of Bobbery, Vivian, MS mowz in the article are basically their entire character. They aren't rare for the time, as early as FF6 you'd have characters with back stories and also personal story arcs developing their character, where in TTYD these characters stop developing or even having unique scenes as soon as they enter the party, reduced to canned lines from whoever is following you. Contrast to Origami King where characters have scenes made for them. Paper Mario has in fact advanced in story telling.
The Peach gameplay segments absolutely do not serve the narrative the way they did in Paper Mario 64. They're only there because people liked it in 64. You could remove them from TTYD and nothing would change.
It has the worst, least fleshed out villain of any Mario RPG. Grodus has zero charm or threat, he never actually gets the upper hand on Mario until the end of the game (...where he gets you to do something the story established you need to do anyway). And by the end of chapter 2 you defeat both the Shadow Sirens and Crump during the same chapter. Then the only other villain appears so late in the story that they can't develop.
The gameplay has been unbalanced by the additions. The partner HP often gives you a bigger pool of health than the games bosses while also having more ability to deal damage than the bosses do. The standard battles are just a formality to get more EXP, there's no challenge.
The chapters while having inventive settings are actually some of the smallest in the series, that are padded out by backtracking. PM64 legitimately had bigger chapters, and some of Color Splashes 30 locations rivaled the size of certain TTYD chapters.
I never get peoples puzzlement at Paper Mario changing afterwards because it was blatant they were reaching the end of their ideas for the format. It'd have ended up like Mario & Luigi trying to repeat the same ideas/gameplay and then fizzling out during last gen.
TTYD was good, but I personally prefer the original Paper Mario 64. The latter doesn't get nearly enough love compared to TTYD. It's a shame.
Basic HD port would be all that's needed, but I doubt it will happen
In my opinion, Paper Mario: TTYD and Paper Mario: TOK are the best two games in the series for different reasons. Maybe TTYD is better, but I would need to play both games back to back, to make a definite decision.
A fabulous game and one of the very best on the Gamecube.
Come on Nintendo, you like money, give us a Paper Mario All Stars. It can be as lazy as Mario 3D All Stars if you want.
(Whispers) I’d probably pay full price for a Remaster of this one TBH.
@twztid13
All except for Dragon Quest. Square-Enix has a pretty good track record of maintaining the series traditions there.
@Yosher really? Not for me. It's the gameplay. They told a fine enough story in the newest one. I want the turn based rpg gameplay. Ofc, it's dumb to have those limits placed on them, but they can experiment w gameplay in a new series that hadn't already established a gameplay style. It'd be a little different if mario & Luigi was still being developed, but that's a handheld only series & i only bought the 3ds cuz of 3d. I won't be buying another Nintendo handheld only system, unless it has 3d, which is probably never, so I'll likely never get to play another turn based rpg w mario in it.
@ModdedInkling so far, but they said 12 won't be turn based, so that's over, i bet, unless they have a KOTOR like system where the turn based part is optional. Definitely thankful for DQ up to this point, tho.
@twztid13
I can imagine they'll try to look at modern Final Fantasy as well, given the success of Final Fantasy VII Remake.
@ModdedInkling which is what I'm afraid of. I would like to see if the FF7Remake 2 sells, cuz they claim ppl love the new style because it sold so well. I think it sold so well because of the name. Once many, including myself, bought it & were hugely disappointed, we didn't play through it & wouldn't buy a sequel, het we're counted in it's success because we bought it day 1. That has put the final nail in the coffin for final fantasy for me, my once favorite franchise. I hope DQ 12 doesn't do the same for DQ, but i have a feeling I'll be playing indie games only for my turn based RPGs from now on. Or, if bravely default stops using puppets, i cam enjoy that again.
@Losermagnet same
@Hurblyburbly The original model plays GameCube games. The stripped down models didn’t come out until 2011-2012, quite late into the system’s lifespan.
@damien33ad hi mate to be honest she didn't get into it as much as the other games, possibly as the graphics are a bit dated and the game it very text heavy compared to the others, bit it may have been a bit of fatigue from these type of games as she preffers mario kart or mario odyssey now as they are more action oriented.
Nice job with the pj's though that's cool!
@Ultimapunch One never knows. Maybe it will.
@MS7000 I don' think they "wander aimlessly.
@boxyguy They don't want to "wipe our memory".
@MsJubilee They might be for some.
@Yosher One can never be sure. We may yet be surprised one day.
@damien33ad "True" Paper Mario? What do you mean? There are like four other Paper Mario games after this one. Or do you not like them as much.
@Judal27 We don't know that for sure. But it's okay if you don't like the other games as much.
@mr-duster I hope you're right but I'm not holding my breath with their current policies.
I recall when this game came out critics panned it for the dialogue.
The dialouge is one of the reasons I love it. It gets pretty somber and there's a lot of
@mr-duster And that is fine if that is what you think. But ever since Sticker Star, nothing they have done has convinced me they know where they are going with the series.
I was never a huge fan of RPGs anyway.
@Yosher My guess is that they don't want Mario to become a Final Fantasy clone.
@mr-duster imo they are. the canon is completely wiped from the first 3 games, no references to the previous characters, and they refuse to bring the old formula back
I don't think there ever was a "canon". It's not about "refusing" the old formula. And I though the old formula came back after Super Paper Mario?
Nintendo doesn't want us to forget the classic Paper Mario games. I would know if they did.
I FREAKING LOVED The Thousand-Year Door! Best Paper Mario in the series! My favorite Chapters are 3 & 4. Chapter 3 felt like wrestling mixed with Dragon Ball Z tournament drama mixed with mystery suspense. Chapter 4 felt so emotional & dark. Ch4 was also the chapter we got Vivan which is my favorite partner. Crows in Chapter 4 were like the gossiping neighbors if you used Vivan's abilities. Hilarious! Oh! the soundtrack!!! Ahhhh! SO GOOD!!! ^__^
Since Nintendo is giving up on this style of game, they should just remaster this one or release Game Cube games on the Nintendo Switch Online so we can play it on the go.
Don't worry guys, when they finally release this GameCube gem, they will also release 32x games for the expansion ++ tier for $90 a year.
Actually I just got the game a couple days ago when someone sent me some of their old games and wavebird controller. Right now I am playing Windwaker but I cannot wait to play this game for the first time.
@bound4earth ngl if they include Cosmic Carnage I would pay that
TTYD is one of those weird times where I can recognize that a sequel improves greatly on its predecessor but I still prefer the first one (Kingdom Hearts 2 is another example). That said, I no longer hate that Nintendo abandoned this formula because it made way for something like Bug Fables which improves the formula even more.
@Ultimapunch
You were saying? lol Paper Mario TTYD remake is coming to Switch next year!
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