@ikki5 Security-wise, the 3DS is a lost cause. I think the story goes something like they were really confident in the system's security early on in its life, but because of that they sort of freaked out when the first exploits came out and got popular, and implemented rushed and improper fixes that stopped the exploits then but it sort of became bad code that the rest of the system was built on top of going forward. So now that's come back to bite them, we have exploits for all kinds of deep system access and it may never have happened if they were cleaner with their fixes way back.
I'm surprised Nintendo is still trying to stop homebrew stuff, back on 10.7 a lot of us were convinced that they had just given up, admitted defeat, and would just work to lock down the NX properly.
@Uncensored N64 emulators are so hard, I imagine it's only remotely possible on N3DS and even then it's gonna take some programming wizardry. We can hope though!
@gnmmarechal You can't say the name of a fallacy with nothing else, that's the Fallacy Fallacy, the mistake that pointing out a fallacy alone invalidates someone's argument. All my points are still valid until you can actually prove them otherwise.
Plus, there was no ad hominem in my comment either. I talked down to him yes, but there was no insulting for argument. He responded to me originally just insulting me for caring about something, so an insult back is fair game.
@Syrek24 Ooh nice one, taking a heavy stance on something and then when I tell you why your reasoning is flawed you try and make yourself sound so much better than me for not caring. You also somehow know that video games are my whole life just from me telling you why you're wrong. You know, the classic move. Say strong opinion opposing something, someone points out that a monkey could see the flaws in that reasoning, and then go back and be like "lol you have no life" because you have no argument to respond with. Stay strong and ignorant, because clearly nobody reasonable could have an opinion different from yours rolls eyes.
@MysteryAozz Yes, well the 3DS is not the Wii as you mentioned. Browserhax was able to do so before, but Nintendo killed that one off a while back, so all we have a video game exploits.
It's also hard to believe that there's suddenly some reaction towards this latest takedown, the homebrew entrypoint is the game's sole value. Been out for like 5 years and nobody has bought it, it's like if Deal or No Deal for the DS was removed from shelves for similar reasons and everyone freaked out about it.
@Syrek24 What a closed minded dumb view that corporations love. If you hate emulating then good luck playing old games from past generations without shelling out tons of money for dated hardware if you're even lucky enough to find the games you want for sale.
Emulation is critical to preserving past generations of video games.
@LucPlays Weird that Smea would say that, Ironfall is as shovelware garbage as it gets. And same for this latest removed game. These are often forgettable $5-at-best gamestop shelf-hogs that would have been forgotten into the abyss of shovelware that's lucky to sell twenty copies if it weren't for homebrew devs giving the games some actual relevance (not talking of course about VVVVVV/Citizens of Earth, but those games' exploits required already having homebrew in the first place to set up).
@MysteryAozz That's not how it works. You can't run your own apps on the 3DS unless you have access to homebrew already, so you're totally restricted to games and apps that are already released by others.
And regarding the article, the requirement of keeping systems offline to keep homebrew hasn't been true for years. We have custom firmware that can stay on the latest firmware version, and have had that for years, ever since firmware 4.x.
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Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@gnmmarechal O heh I see, sorry about that.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@ikki5 Security-wise, the 3DS is a lost cause. I think the story goes something like they were really confident in the system's security early on in its life, but because of that they sort of freaked out when the first exploits came out and got popular, and implemented rushed and improper fixes that stopped the exploits then but it sort of became bad code that the rest of the system was built on top of going forward. So now that's come back to bite them, we have exploits for all kinds of deep system access and it may never have happened if they were cleaner with their fixes way back.
I'm surprised Nintendo is still trying to stop homebrew stuff, back on 10.7 a lot of us were convinced that they had just given up, admitted defeat, and would just work to lock down the NX properly.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@Uncensored N64 emulators are so hard, I imagine it's only remotely possible on N3DS and even then it's gonna take some programming wizardry. We can hope though!
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@gnmmarechal You can't say the name of a fallacy with nothing else, that's the Fallacy Fallacy, the mistake that pointing out a fallacy alone invalidates someone's argument. All my points are still valid until you can actually prove them otherwise.
Plus, there was no ad hominem in my comment either. I talked down to him yes, but there was no insulting for argument. He responded to me originally just insulting me for caring about something, so an insult back is fair game.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@Syrek24 Ooh nice one, taking a heavy stance on something and then when I tell you why your reasoning is flawed you try and make yourself sound so much better than me for not caring. You also somehow know that video games are my whole life just from me telling you why you're wrong. You know, the classic move. Say strong opinion opposing something, someone points out that a monkey could see the flaws in that reasoning, and then go back and be like "lol you have no life" because you have no argument to respond with. Stay strong and ignorant, because clearly nobody reasonable could have an opinion different from yours rolls eyes.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@MysteryAozz Yes, well the 3DS is not the Wii as you mentioned. Browserhax was able to do so before, but Nintendo killed that one off a while back, so all we have a video game exploits.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
It's also hard to believe that there's suddenly some reaction towards this latest takedown, the homebrew entrypoint is the game's sole value. Been out for like 5 years and nobody has bought it, it's like if Deal or No Deal for the DS was removed from shelves for similar reasons and everyone freaked out about it.
Point being, nothing of value was lost.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@Syrek24 What a closed minded dumb view that corporations love. If you hate emulating then good luck playing old games from past generations without shelling out tons of money for dated hardware if you're even lucky enough to find the games you want for sale.
Emulation is critical to preserving past generations of video games.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@LucPlays Weird that Smea would say that, Ironfall is as shovelware garbage as it gets. And same for this latest removed game. These are often forgettable $5-at-best gamestop shelf-hogs that would have been forgotten into the abyss of shovelware that's lucky to sell twenty copies if it weren't for homebrew devs giving the games some actual relevance (not talking of course about VVVVVV/Citizens of Earth, but those games' exploits required already having homebrew in the first place to set up).
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Homebrew Development Causes Another Game Takedown as Nintendo Maintains Its Tight Grip
@MysteryAozz That's not how it works. You can't run your own apps on the 3DS unless you have access to homebrew already, so you're totally restricted to games and apps that are already released by others.
And regarding the article, the requirement of keeping systems offline to keep homebrew hasn't been true for years. We have custom firmware that can stay on the latest firmware version, and have had that for years, ever since firmware 4.x.