If there's one thing that the Mario franchise really needs, it's a sense of continuity between the games. We are, of course, being slightly sarcastic here. With well over 50 games starring Nintendo's favourite plumber as well as spin-offs such as Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros., the thought of pinning all the events together into a comprehensive timeline is enough to make even the most avid fan's head spin.
This challenge, however, has not prevented one Reddit user from theorising where the series might chronologically end. Rather than attempting to establish how the events of each game impacted those that came after, user Money_Whisperer has laid down the idea that the Luigi's Mansion series is the franchise's endpoint.
Specifically referencing the absence of Bowser — and the passing nod to his final defeat in Luigi's Mansion — the theory suggests that all Mario titles featuring the series' antagonist must precede the superior plumber brother's (yes, we said it) ghost-busting escapades.
Now, the very idea that all of the Mario games could be strung together on a comprehensive timeline in the first place throws up a mega mushroom-sized amount of questions. Do the Rabbids know of the Paper Mario books? How does Mario recover from the knowledge of his world's relative insignificance after seeing the size of the ever-expanding universe in Super Mario Galaxy? And, most importantly, who provided Baby Mario and Baby Peach's legally approved driving licenses?
The potential for interconnected storylines would be enough to make Kevin Feige a little hot under the collar, let alone us humble players. If this Redditor's theory is to be believed, however, then Luigi's Mansion provides something of a sombre ending to the brothers' usual co-op adventures. Exploring the haunted houses all alone, perhaps the series points towards a big canonical bust-up between the plumber brothers that we are yet to see. That said, if your brother one day woke up with the voice of Chris Pratt, you too might try to find some time alone.
What do you think of this theory? Have you tried putting the Mario games in a timeline before? Get your corkboards out and try to make sense of it all in the comments!
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I read this on Reddit. It’s getting a lot of hate, but it’s a cool silly theory.
This all hinges on a single line from a 2001 game that might not have been a very accurate translation.
It's a cool theory, but I do have a few problems with it (pushes up glasses).
Firstly, just because Bowser isn't referenced in later installments doesn't mean he's flat out dead. It's more likely that Next Level (who took over the series from 2 onwards) didn't see him as necessary to stick in when King Boo worked just fine. Also there's the whole thing of Dry Bowser showing that he can't really die in the usual way but the game he was introduced (NSMB DS) did come out after the original LM so I can give him a pass on that.
Secondly, E Gadd knows the Mario Bros in multiple other entries after the original, including M&L Superstar Saga, multiple Mario Party's and even Mario Sunshine to a small extent (creating both FLUDD and the magic Paintbrush). Most of those aren't mainline yes, but neither is LM.
And lastly, that last point is debunked by Mario Kart Double Dash, is it not?
I rest my case Your Honor.
Installment. I see that title error you got there-
Mario Galaxy is the last game in the original Mario timeline. Galaxy 2 is the first game in a new timeline.
@ValZ that is the correct spelling in English (having just one L that is)
I've always wanted to do a Mario timeline theory. I'd put Super Mario Sunshine after Super Mario World, since the ending of the game says, "Mario, the Princess, and Yoshi decided to take a vacation." Despite Luigi being a playable character, it never says he went on the vacation which makes since given his complete absence in Sunshine.
But yeah, this Luigi's Mansion theory can be easily debunked for many of the reasons already brought up by @Fizza. Of course, all of it is just silly speculation, and Nintendo could care less about timeline placement.
isn't Mario in Luigi's mansion 3?
(or am I just not paying attention?)
Okay Baby Mario and Peach drive KARTS not CARS there's a major difference, get it together NL smh
@Fizza The ace attorney profile pic might have been replaced, but the spirit clearly lives on!
@Takoda I guess you could call it a.....Spirit of Justice?
.....
.....I'll see myself out.
@Fizza I think you can guess which Von Karma gif I’d put here as a reaction without even posting it. : P
Good thing I thrive on puns anyway-
@Not_Soos I know you're referring to the original SMW, but I think the GBA version does mention Luigi in that going on vacation quote and features him a little more prominently.
Maybe the GBA version of Super Mario World is a retcon, much like Metroid: Zero Mission and Metroid: Samus Returns are for their original games.
EDIT: It does
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gba/a/sma2-3.png
About that "no Bowser" thing.
Could it be that Bowser knows about how much of a threat King Boo is to Luigi that he delegates deeds to him so he can focus on Mario?
I can't wait for Luigi's Mansion 4 to have Bowser in it just to ruin that theory.
@BrazillianCara Hey, it makes more sense than Rosalina being Luigi's daughter.
@Fizza
Funny you mention NSMB, I was originally gonna have a 4th bullet where I talked about about how Bowser’s death must have died in a more permanent way than is normal. I agree that he cannot “die” by being thrown in lava, or by falling great heights.
Bowsers Inside Story proved he has some adrenaline-on-steroids superpower that allows him to survive severe physical trauma (such as being crushed by thousands of tons at once) and I’d speculate he’s able to survive great falls for similar reasons. How his skeleton is able to survive on its own is something else entirely, maybe his adrenaline system somehow persists through his bones? Idk. Likely the same system that allows Dry Bones to exist. But I’ve never seen a koopa go Godzilla mode after getting stomped by Mario so there’s some inconsistency there.
Anyway, onto my point-
We know Bowser must have been reanimated from bones at least once before Luigi’s Mansion because he falls in lava at the end of the original Mario Bros.
https://youtu.be/ZpTMN15OZwQ
So Clairvoya acting so bewildered to see Bowser still alive even with that precedent set means that he must have died in some way which prohibits his natural defenses. Perhaps he was wished out of existence? Lots of Stars in particular throughout the series that could do that.
I personally don’t find the various party/kart/smash bros games as canon because then you start having characters co-existing who really never could according to the rules of the world. Baby Rosalina for example. I brought up dry bowser and bowser in the original post but someone in the comments raised how apparently dry bowser is referred to as “close family” in a Mario party game by…bowser….so idk man Lol that’s just a weird situation.
Your point about E Gadd meeting Luigi for the first time, however, is spot on. I genuinely forgot he had to introduce himself to Luigi in that game. I do consider the M&L games as canon, so you pretty much got me there. He doesn’t have to introduce himself again to Luigi in those games, and bowser is very much not dead in those so they must take place after Luigi’s mansion.
@bunkerneath seeing your pfp reminded me of bug fables for the first time in forever haha. What a great game.
@Money_Whisperer Makes you wonder then: considering how it's Bowser Jr that puts him back together (oh god is this just FNAF), would that mean that Bowser Jr exists as far back as the original Super Mario Bros? 🤔
It's probably far more likely that it'd be Kamek performing it back then due to him being Bowser's carer during the events of Yoshi's Island but I digress.
EDIT: OH **** WAIT YOU'RE THE ORIGINAL POSTER. I'M SO SO SORRY FOR RIPPING YOU TO SHREDS.
@Fizza LMAO nah ur good it was a fun retort to read
"Exploring the haunted houses all alone, perhaps the series points towards a big canonical bust-up between the plumber brothers that we are yet to see."
I haven't played the first two games, but Mario comes to the haunted mansion with his brother (and Peach, and several toads) in Luigi's Mansion 3 so they're not only friendly enough to go on vacation together by that point, but once you rescue Mario near the end, they even work together for a bit. It did seem like Luigi was a bit frustrated by his brother showing off his acrobatic ability, but they got along fine.
Creating timelines for franchises is fun but a lot of times nonsensical. It's how we ended up with the mess that's the multi-branch Zelda games "timeline" (and even that isn't 100% concrete as Nintendo has changed it before). There's no way there's a cohesive non-contradicting Mario timeline across all the Mario games. Of all the major Nintendo franchises, only Metroid, Splatoon, and Kirby have somewhat proper timelines across all their games.
@Money_Whisperer Heh, I'm playing it at to moment, it is a good game
@Axecon There is a cohesive non-contradicting Mario timeline across all the Mario games. Mario is more consistent than Zelda when it comes to that sort of thing.
Couldn’t have put it better than @Fizza myself.
@Money_Whisperer I want to take the time to respond to the original Reddit post topic but for now I have some things to say about your reply here.
Dry Bones are just Koopa ghosts possessing their once-living skeletons. It doesn’t have anything to do with the Royal Koopas’ Rump Command and the channels of adrenaline.
The reason we never see any other Koopas go Godzilla mode, or even Bowser go Godzilla mode in other games, is because:
1. They usually aren’t ever put in near-death situations
2. Mario & Luigi aren’t inside their bodies to spike their energy
Bowser can and would’ve died at any of the point he was crushed during Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story if not for Mario and Luigi’s interventions. It seems that, if anything, it’s a long-forgotten biological process that the Bros. were able to tap into during Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story. I assume that Bowser’s ancestors may have been able to tap into that power thanks to the Evoglobins (which would explain why they grow arms and legs in near-death situations), but they haven’t been used in so many generations that they no longer know how to board the boats of life. It’s like the Koopa equivalent of the Appendix. Heck, if it was more commonly used in ancient times that may explain the giant Koopa skeleton in Bone Dry Dunes.
@Money_Whisperer (Continued) Anyway, back on track, Bowser does not become Dry Bowser every time he falls in Lava. New Super Mario Bros. is the exception, not the rule. Typically, Bowser’s skin has lava resistance.
But that begs the question, why did Bowser become Dry Bowser when he fell in the lava in New Super Mario Bros.? Well to answer that, we must turn back to Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story, specifically the side mode Bowser Jr.’s Journey from the remake. In the ending of that game, we actually see how Bowser became Dry Bowser for the very first time - Bowser overdoses on Skeletone Formula:D, which as a side-effect turns him into Dry Bowser. This also reveals that Dry Bowser is more akin to a Power-Up (a la Fire Mario) than an actual undead Bowser.
“Junior! What have you done to me?” - Bowser after becoming Dry Bowser
Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story is of course a prequel to New Super Mario Bros., so it’s been speculated that by the time of New Super Mario Bros., Bowser’s skin hadn’t healed all the way, and more importantly his lava resistance hadn’t returned yet. All he needed was a quick dip in the lava to go back to being Dry Bowser for the game’s duration.
Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc. are confirmed to be canon. There are no characters in those games that cannot coexist based on what’s established. Baby Rosalina fits perfectly so I’m not quite sure what you mean there. Super Smash Bros. obviously isn’t canon, but that’s a crossover fighting game set within the imagination of a child that really has nothing to do with Mario in the first place.
Bowser referring to the Dry Bowser in Mario Party: Island Tour as a “close family friend” is a joke added in by the American Localisation department. In the original Japanese and the European translation Bowser says no such thing. In actuality, the game implies that the Dry Bowser we see there is a copy made of bubbles (Yes, it’s as weird as it sounds), as with every enemy in the Tower.
“That thing you defeated was merely a bubble decoy. Now I'll show you the real me!” - Bowser, referring to the Bowser you defeat prior to finishing the Tower of Bowser.
@Seandwalsh I’ll be honest, your depth of knowledge on the Mario franchise exceeds mine by a pretty wide margin. I had no idea about Skeletone formula D, for example (never played Bowser Jr’s journey.) nor did I get the appendix metaphor. Makes a lot more sense in retrospect.
Have you written up anything on the complete timeline? Or know where that is online? I’d be very curious to see it.
@Money_Whisperer Fair enough!
I post most of my stuff to r/Marioverse on Reddit or the Marioverse Discord Server, so you can check those out if you’re interested. The timeline is on the latter. Thanks!
@Fizza looks like we have the one who bursted this bubble into smithereens! Case close indeed. That all the way back on GameCubes double dash we have the Luigi's mansion inserted in the racing game. Proving this is all wrong. Being an older game that to of course has Browser, and many other characters included.
With all this said. I believe the last game in the series, will no doubt be the actual last game coming out and as the last one timeline aswell.
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