Update [Fri 1st Jul, 2022 05:45]: Yesterday, VGC had a story about a Nintendo shareholder who asked the company if they had any plans to revive past IPs such as the futuristic racing series F-Zero, the RPG Baten Kaitos, and various other titles like Wario Land.
It turns out this question didn't come cheap. Speaking to Business Insider, the individual known as 'Momiji' on social media, revealed how he spent over 5.6 million Japanese yen (over $40,000 USD) on Nintendo stock just to ask Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa the question during the company's latest shareholder meeting.
The same individual, who described himself as a "die-hard Nintendo fan", bought 100 Nintendo shares in February priced at 56,430 yen per share (over $400 USD per share), after selling stock in another company. He's been playing Nintendo games since he was a child and apparently can't get enough of the sense of speed in F-Zero.
In the lead-up to the shareholder meeting, there was no guarantee he would be able to ask a question. This was supposedly a "bonus" in the end. Business Insider also notes how 100 shares of stock are required in order to gain direct access to Nintendo's shareholder meeting.
So, what was Nintendo's reply in the end? It's "always" considering how to develop new titles and remakes. Here is what was said, courtesy of a translation by Robert Sephazon (via VGC):
“It is realistically difficult to develop new titles and remakes, including sequels, for every Nintendo game that people request, but we are very grateful and appreciate the expectations our fans have for our games”
“We are always considering how to develop new titles and remakes that can be enjoyed by many players."
This isn't the first time we've heard a response like this from Nintendo. As for F-Zero, its absence has raised concerns about the future of the series, but there are people out there (including past Nintendo employees) who seem to think there's still hope.
You can find our original story from yesterday below.
Original article [Thu 30th Jun, 2022 11:45 BST]: Nintendo's annual general shareholder meeting information was made live yesterday, and while there are the usual numbers and business details dotted throughout, some interesting details have emerged from a discussion that was held during the meeting.
VGC reports (via @NStyles on Twitter) that one shareholder apparently asked if Nintendo had any plans to revive past IPs through new games or remakes. The shareholder then mentioned a handful of titles, ranging from obscure Japan-only games and a big Nintendo franchise that hasn't seen a new game in nearly 20 years.
The franchises the shareholder brought up are the racing game series F-Zero; Baten Kaitos, Monolith Soft's GameCube card-based RPG series; Wario Land, the Mario spin-off that hasn't seen a new game since the Wii; two Intelligent Systems games in Kaeru no Tame ni Kane wa Naru and Kousoku Card Battle: Card Hero; and Chōsōjū Mecha MG made by the Earth Defense Force developers.
After NStyles tweeted out about the request, another user — @momiji_manjyuu — claimed to be the person who asked for these titles.
Not all heroes wear capes, right?
The list is killing us, and many of you also want a brand new F-Zero or Wario Land game in particular, but there's a handful of really interesting games otherwise that would all be great games to bring back. Baten Kaitos — given Monolith Soft's prominence with Xenoblade — would make sense, but honestly, we'd really love to see all of these make a return.
But now that the notes from the meeting are live, NStyles has noted that the only game that remains mentioned in there is the futuristic racing title.
Here's a rough Google translate of NStyle's tweet (so this may it with a grain of salt), which is embedded below, and was published after the minutes went live. But it looks pretty promising for F-Zero fans!
After the general meeting of shareholders, you told Mr. Momiji, who asked this question, "If the title part is completely cut in the minutes, you can judge that there is no pulse, and if F-ZERO remains in the minutes, you can judge that it is a pulse ant." ..
He listed multiple titles, but Nintendo left only F-ZERO. Isn't this a clear F-ZERO appeal to us?
The "you" could be referring to someone at the meeting — potentially Shinya Takahashi, Nintendo's general manager of Nintendo's Entertainment Planning & Development (though remember, this is based on Google translate so may not be accurate). Essentially, NStyle says that what Momiji was told that if a game title is left in the minutes, then it means that Nintendo is aware it still exists. Yay! Of course, that doesn't mean much considering that Captain Falcon has appeared in every Smash Bros. game and hasn't had a game since the mid-2000s, but it's something, right?
Surely F-Zero can make a comeback soon. Former Nintendo of America President Reggie seems to think Nintendo hasn't forgotten about that series, at least.
- Further reading - Reggie Doesn't Seem To Think Nintendo Has "Abandoned" F-Zero, Says There's Still Hope
What would you like to see Nintendo bring back? Let us know down below!
[source businessinsider.com, via gonintendo.com, videogameschronicle.com]
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I mean there was already
"F-ZERO" from Mario Kart 8 Wii U & Switch version.
Nintendo doesn’t care.
Nintendo could be paid by the U.S. Government billions of dollars to make a new F-Zero, yet they'd still find a sappy excuse for not making one.
“Die-Hard Nintendo Fan” wastes 40k asking for a new f-zero.
Seriously, like it or not, f-zero is dead.
It’s really infuriating to see great franchises like StarFox, Kid Icarus, and F-Zero all buried alive.
Instead of making the 30th Fire Emblem…. How about some of these games AND a sequel to Advance Wars instead of a remake?
@blindsquarel
Also, you can play other similar games like F-Zero rather than keep asking for new F-Zero games.
@Anti-Matter LOL no…. There are no similar games like F-Zero …. There are games inspired by it…. But none come close.
Um it’s not like he isn’t going to turn a profit from investing in Nintendo. This story is spiraling into needy 15 mins of fame territory.
Also, the franchise didn’t sell well. The market has spoken. Unless Miyamoto-dono has another passion project he wants to do before retiring, that ship has sailed.
Wait a waste. This guy has too much money.
The least obsessive F-Zero fan.
Nintendo baffles me.
A 3D F-Zero on the 3DS would have made a lot more sense than a Metroid spin-off where you're not Samus
To be honest I don't exactly blame them for not wanting to make another F-Zero. The games just have never been that huge a deal and they have an established racing series that it's never going to reach the level of, just seems like a property that isn't likely to sell very well in a market they already have their stake in anyway.
@Dinglehopper Before the 8 year gap between New Leaf and New Horizons, Nintendo reliably released a new Animal Crossing every 3 - 5 years on new consoles. The large gap this last time was because of the titanic failure the Wii U represented. Even then, spinoffs and such released in the meanwhile.
Animal Crossing is not a good example of a property that doesn't regularly get new entries.
Kinda sad cause F-Zero was the game that showcase the power and innovation of the Super NES, GBA, N64, and GameCube. It is the game that made those systems look good, the fact that Nintendo no longer rely on the series means Nintendo probably gave up on the power aspect of their system and decided to just take the cheap way out which holds true as the Wii, Wii U, and Switch aren't all about powers but gimmicks instead. Hopefully Nintendo doesn't put his good investment to waste, it's not too late to make a new F-Zero in HD, just released that 4K Switch Pro and get right on to it Nintendo. You brought Cruis'n back, now give us back our F-Zero too. I mean futuristic rogue-like and cyberpunk style games are very popular nowadays, why not make F-Zero fit in with that crowd as well.
@Dinglehopper "Nintendo doesn't take risks anymore." Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with that statement even though I agree with the overall message you're sending. I'd consider Labo, Game Builder Garage and arguably Mario Kart Live to be risky ventures made in house that didn't really pay off. I wouldn't call any of those "safe bets." I will personally agree that Nintendo isn't focusing on the right areas to take risks in though.
@blindsquarel $40K is a lot of money, that's 4 times the amount that a particular YouTuber pay to invest in the garbage that was the Intellivision Amico which to this day is still not out yet.
Thank him! I would love an updated F-Zero and it would get me back to online gaming.
@YoshiF2 I don't think Intelligent Systems knows how to make anything besides Fire Emblem and Paper Mario these days, and with Heroes printing money, they barely even have to do that. I'd like to see Next Level's take on F-Zero or Star Fox, though.
It didn't really cost anything, I mean the stocks are still his. That's as good as cash, assuming the stock doesn't plummet for some reason.
@Anachronism That's cause a majority of the team got split. Some of them went to join WayForward. Why else would WayForward be making Advance Wars 1+2: Reboot Camp or helping out with Metroid Prime 4 with Retro Studio.
@YoshiF2 I think the reason behind there not being a new kid Icarus game is because sakurai said he hates the game industry churning out sequels instead of making new IP. I might be wrong though..
@Ryu_Niiyama Investing in Nintendo when they had been struggling to break even for a few years, but had a promising new console on the horizon would have been smart. Investing in them when they've been on top of the world for ~5 years, but their next hardware is an unknown and they only have a handful of games currently announced is kinda dumb. There's a lot more room for them to go down than up right now.
Maybe... you have too much money if you can drop 40k on a chance (less likely at that too) on f-zero or maybe you're too obsessed over the franchise.
@Anachronism stock market is a long game.
I think Nintendo sees their output as a variety of different game mechanics. You’ve got the Action Adventure game in Zelda, the Turn based RPG in Pokémon, the Real time strategy in Pikmin. Then you have a variety of difficulties in platformers- DK is tough, Mario is moderate to tricky, Yoshi easy to moderate, and Kirby is easy. And each platformer has a character that can do a different set of actions. Each franchise has to have it’s own place in the market and not step on another’s toes.
When you think about F-Zero, it looks different to Mario Kart, but Mario Kart has taken a lot of the mechanics that were unique to F-Zero. F Zero has sold 6 million games in the complete series, MK8 alone does that in a lunch break. I honestly think if Nintendo could come up with a racing game that was different enough from Mario Kart that was fun they would release it.
@Serpenterror WayForward's kind of a weird one. Shantae's the one thing they make that people really go nuts for, so I have no idea why companies keep outsourcing 3D games to them
@Ryu_Niiyama Yes, which is why it makes sense to buy low and sell high, the opposite of what this guy did.
Nintendo asked the Burnout developers to pitch them an F-Zero game, but they didn't have time/extra manpower to develop it. So it's not for a lack of trying. They just need a developer who actually wants to make it.
Microsoft has a similar issue, they want to make a new Killer Instinct, but don't have a team to do it.
I have always had the faith that some X game will return, and I know, at the same time, that it is only a simple dream; however, if games like Cruin's returned, not only in Arcades, but also on the Switch with a new installment, So there is hope for a new F-zero!
keep the waiting...
Welp, In a nintendo direct 6 years from now, we will know who to thank
Please.
If Monster Games didn’t ruin their relationship with Nintendo and then get acquired by iRacing, imo they’d be a good pick to develop a new F-Zero game.
I guess there’s always a chance Shin'en (Neo Fast Racing) or 34BigThings (Redout) could helm a F-Zero game.
It might be good to add he just can sell the stock afterwards....
@Dinglehopper Xenoblade says hello. Two and a half new games and a remaster with an expansion on Switch, all while MonolithSoft is backing up the main devs on half Nintendo's flagship franchises.
@Serpenterror Man, forget F-Zero, Nintendo has a better racing game that it shows even less love for: ExciteBots! It doesn't even get included in Smash! It's completely ignored and is the better game.
Money well spent, I guess...
I get that F Zero didn't sell well on other consoles but I'm sure if you released a remake of F Zero X/GX on Switch with such a huge user base it would still make Nintendo money.
@romanista : Exactly. It's disingenuous to suggest that he spent $40,000 when he is likely to get it all back (and then some).
Drastic situations require drastic measures.
@thinkhector ahhh... you know your games. I would totally add the Excite series to make a comeback. Totally different type of games. I still prefer F-Zero GX though. And I loved Excitebots on the Wii. I can't forget how many times I smashed the wiimote unto my chin when spinning the bots on those poles.
Good painful times.
@Serpenterror
You talking about pointcrow?
@Silly_G actually i've kept some Ajax Amsterdam (the football club) stock for the almost same reason (not worth nearly as much though).. Asking critical questions at shareholder meetings is quite fun
Didn't really "fork out" 40k to ask a question, did he? He has 100 shares in Nintendo at a time when they are riding high.
Having said that, if that was the only reason to get the shares, then you can tell why the world is *****
People ask for something, that they are willing to buy, yet nintendo never does it, idk why, I couldn’t tell you, it’s just the way of the Nintendo.
So he didn't "spend" the money on making the statement as such.
He has the stock now, and could sell it again. Or wait until the split and possibly make a lot of money from it.
I only remember Die Hard coming out on the PlayStation.
So, the answer is not an answer
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I think we just need to remain patient, and the dorment franchises will come back. The key to F Zero and Star Fox making a return, in my opinion, lies squarely with how Nintendo roll out the next Hardware.
Wii > Wii U and DS > 3DS were both different scales of unsuccessful. 3DS did eventually recover, but given the DS's numbers, it was ultimately a huge backwards step.
The new console will surely continue the hybrid gameplay of TV and Handheld - Switch has been too successful in that department for them to abandon it. This presents a huge challenge to Nintendo though, and one they spectacularly failed to resolve when Wii U launched after Wii.
Have they learned the lessons? Is Switch an entirely different ball game now? Mobile phones get upgraded every few years and people stump up the cash just fine. Is the key to success for Nintendo to partner with companies that can give you a contract on your new Switch and monthly payments - upgrading every "to be defined" years?
Fact of the matter is... Switch 2 is not an open goal for Nintendo. They need to navigate this period carefully. If they can get us all on the "upgrade every few years" bandwagon, then the sky is the limit with regards to software opportunities.
Hmm hmm… I loved the original F-Zero, the GameCube one not so much. There was something about the sparseness and simplicity, the low detail even that gave the SNES game a unique futurism. Didn’t feel that with the GC game which was more generic. I wouldn’t know where to take the series next, either. But I’m not a hardcore fan by any means.
It’s probably the outsourced development, with GX. Now if Nintendo tackled F-Zero with an in-house team… I’d be intrigued!
Wow, that's love for the IP!
Damn, I want a new F-Zero so badly... Switch would be perfect for it.
Well that's a waste of money that won't make any difference. 😞
Well that’s one of those crappy corporate responses rather than one that has any sort of intrigue to the fans.
@YoshiF2
I agree.
I have been waiting years for an Advance Wars sequel only to have the remake delayed.
My main gripe is that nintendo along with SEGA and Konami are sitting on a gold mine and simply cannot see it. They all have ips begging for remasters / sequels. Capcom and more recently Bandai namco realise there is a huge market out there for these titles.
I would love a tekken collection or Ridge Racer collection!
F-Zero yes please!
Suppose I can expect another Kirby/Warriors/etc next year.
And people tell ME I spend on money on things I don‘t need.
@Dinglehopper To be fair you can't consider a game a risk if a series consistently underperforms.
Even the Sony Studio Liverpool dedicated to making futuristic racer Wipeout shuttered in the early 2010s.
Even on Switch I think there's enough information to know that F-Zero as it is won't set the world on fire. Earthbound/Mother would have a lot more potential given how it did on WiiU and 3DS VC, and even that hasn't got a new game yet.
I seriously doubt he spent that much just to ask that question. No doubt it was a perk to ask them as a fan but if he has that kind of cash he obviously has plenty of it and likely isn’t a stranger to investing.
Either way he didn’t really “spend” it anyway. He can sell it for potentially much more depending on how things go.
@AnnoyingFrenzy I deleted my original comment because a bunch of those recent ventures slipped my mind when I wrote it lol. So thanks for bringing those up!
I 100% agree with what you said too: "that Nintendo isn't focusing on the right areas to take risks in."
While they may be taking risks, it's in ventures that a lot of veteran/older fans may not care for. Some are admittedly pretty interesting, like Gamebuilder Garage, but a lot of us would rather see some old IPs brought back. Kid Icarus Uprising was amazing and it's what I would consider a "risk" for Nintendo to make. I wish they would do more like that!
Buying shares isn't "spending". Those shares will still be worth ~$43k. They funded it from other shares, so they weren't even taking any additional risk.
@blindsquarel
The share can be sold in future, so the money is not wasted!
Unfortunately you and I cannot get back the time wasted commenting on articles like this. That is truly a waste
@Dr_Lugae Poor Codename S.T.E.A.M, it needed a little more time in the oven, but even then Nintendo gave it little to no marketing. It was announced during a Treehouse session, which comparatively very few people stick around for, and then that was basically it until it launched.
It wasn't without flaws, but I honestly had a blast with it and would be very excited for a sequel...but that is so unlikely now.
Anyway I don't know what this person expected to come from this?
Just to put things into context, F-Zero was the 15th best-selling game on SNES, which isn't bad. X and GX sold less but N64 and GC had a smaller install base.
I think a new F-Zero, if properly made and well advertised would easily sell a few million copies.
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@Ogbert dame experience. Quite nice game
"No." Then they move on to the next question.
@PessitheMystic
But those games are mostly interesting for me.
Btw, they are not really bad as people think.
@YoshiF2
Well, it just only racing game in very high speed so any other 3rd party racing games with similar vibes as F-Zero are perfect replacement. Life is too short to cry over a new F-Zero game that will be never happened.
@Anti-Matter is Just Dance a replacement for DDR?
@PessitheMystic
Just Dance are completely different games than DDR.
But Dance Evolution by Konami is a better replacement of Just Dance.
@Royalblues Just to clarify upfront, I'm not responding to you to be combative or argumentative. I completely get what you mean by sometimes, companies don't know when to move on from a particular property.
In the case of F-Zero, I think an argument can be made that Nintendo should at least try to see if they can do something new and modern with the property and maybe they have internally and just haven't gotten results they're satisfied with. You mention it as a product of its time. But we are talking about a series that debuted in the early 90s and whose last entry was in the mid-2000s. It was able to release entries in two different decades and eras of gaming. I feel like another argument could be made that F-Zero is a concept that can find new iterations and ideas in gaming today.
I say this as someone who, while I enjoyed the series, won't necessarily lose any sleep if Nintendo never makes another one. I do think it will happen eventually.
@AnnoyingFrenzy What a dumb statement, those are not "risks". Nintendo has always been known for being a toy company even before the days they made video games. They know their demographic, kids, and they know what to market to them. The fact that Nintendo really fumbles the ball on first party software from time-to-time, like how any reasonable game developer would logically add more content to a new game and think of new creative gameplay mechanics, Nintendo usually opts for controller gimmicks when it comes to their first party games.
Seems like a lot of people don't quite understand how stocks work. Sure, they spent 40k, but they didn't lose it. They still have 40k in stock AND they got to make the request.
It's one of those moments where those with abundant resources get to have their cake and eat it too.
I recall someone at Nintendo saying, “We’ve done F Zero and no new ideas have come up” so at least let us play the old catalog then!!
Ugh, best /worst company in gaming.
Just wait for that stock to rise and he'll have got to ask his question AND pocket some thousands of profit!
@Stnkygrngo We can play F-Zero and F-Zero X though can't we?
As for GX, perhaps we'll see that if we ever see Gamecube games on Switch. I do wonder though, whether perhaps the effort of getting Gamecube games working well on the Switch is not worth it? (for Nintendo)
Nintendo uses scarcity to add to the value proposition of their games.
Nintendo is NOT open to making new titles and remakes because there are two games that were incredibly popular on 3ds that are very much wanted on switch, that they still have not made. Style Savvy, and Tomodachi Life, both of which have change . org petitions, the latter of which has amassed more than 16,300 signatures! So what does that tell you about Nintendo being open to remakes?! Still nothing being done. 🤷🏻♀️
I could have saved this fan $40k and referred him to pick up the Switch Launch game Fast RMX
@Kiyata
16k signatures is nothing, and most certainly not enough to get Nintendo's attention. If they took the time and money to port Tomadochi Life to the Switch they want it to sell Millions not thousands of copies.
This absolutely feels like something Nick Robinson would do. We found another Nick Robinson in the wild.
Only interested in making games the bring in the big money. Mario and Zelda.
First off, you have to give the guy credit for at least putting his money where his mouth is.
That said, Nintendo's not the only Japanese company that's largely abandoned many older IPs, and they're certainly not the guiltiest of circling the wagons around 1-3 franchises (looking at Sega and Konami, especially). But while "playing it safe" and focusing on flagship IPs may bring more overall profit (or at least keep them afloat), there's a reason the Japanese side of the industry fell off a cliff after the 1990s in terms of comparative influence with Western publishers. They used to be the most prolific, original, and flat-out talented and passionate developers in the hobby, but they lost that edge largely due to abandoning genre variety and risk-taking, and instead trying to ape the West's eye candy cinematics and penchant for gory violence and repetitive button-mashing/combo mechanics (which even invaded most RPG franchises). Instead of driving the industry and hobby forward they started copying "trends". Franchises got remolded to fit "more profitable" audiences to mediocre results (the Shining ARPG series, Front Mission as a third-person shooter, and the run-and-gun direction of Resident Evil starting around 6, for examples).
Take Sega, for example. Aside from two outstanding entries in the Valkyria Chronicles series (which demonstrate just what the company is capable of when it reconnects with its former passion and quality level), they haven't touched a single one of their incredible RPG and SRPG IPs from the Genesis through Saturn and Dreamcast eras (I don't really count Phantasy Star Online because it's too much of a MMORPG to even resemble the Dreamcast iterations, and I also don't count mobile versions like the upcoming Shining Force: Hero of Light & Darkness). Shining Force, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Skies of Arcadia, Dragon Force, even old school, Algol-based, offline Phantasy Star haven't seen the light of day in more than two decades now. All because Sega considers them too "niche" or risky, no doubt.
Remember, it wasn't too long ago that fan support made Nintendo aware that Fire Emblem was actually a viable IP in the West. Even Animal Crossing: New Horizons' sales figures completely took them by surprise. SquareEnix has rediscovered the profitability of turn-based mechanics and "old school" visuals with their 2DHD RPGs and SRPGs. 2D shmups have seen a renaissance on the Switch after nearly going extinct the past couple of console generations. But the entire future of a given franchise can rest on the sales figures of a single installment (I'm NOT talking after it goes on sale or lands in the bargain bin, either; games MUST get support from DAY ONE to be seen as truly "in demand" by consumers). Friendly heads up: given Nintendo's handling of Advance Wars: Reboot Camp already, if enough of us don't vote with our wallets and support it I would bet real money we will never see the franchise again.
There are never any guarantees we'll ever see a great and deserving game get a sequel or remake. But if and when we get the opportunity we MUST vote with our wallets. Anything less is just lip service, and the industry will treat it as such. Hopefully at some point we'll get that chance with F-Zero. If we do, better make it count.
it's stock, he can sell it to recoup.
@YoshiF2
Fire Emblem prints money, why in the world would a company stop making something that makes a lot of money? This shouldn't even need to be a question.
This is precisely why F-Zero has been dormant because it clearly couldn't stand on it's own 2 legs without Smash Bros and Mario Kart carrying it.
Fire Emblem Awakening was meant to be the last game but they have continued making more, why? Because that game did amazing sales and basically saved the franchise. It's not rocket science man.
@YoshiF2
Thank you! I was going to bring up Fire Emblem. Honestly, they can clearly make remakes and sequels. And while fire emblem is a good game series, the amount of attention it gets is a little exhausting.
@NCChris well... you proved my point. FE Awakening was going to be the last one because the sales from the previous ones were in the dump. And it was only when that game released that the sales went through the roof. Now…. How do you know the next F-Zero can’t be the next FE Awakening that makes the franchise a household name? Or StarFox? Or Kid Icarus?
You won’t ever know until you try…. AND in a platform with a huge install base like Switch.
So, yeah, I mean, like you said, it’s not rocket science, man. It happened with Fire Emblem, it can happen with any other franchise.
Instead of making the yearly Fire Emblem, like it was EA FIFA or an Activision game. Invest some resources to your forgotten franchises and take some risks. Nobody wants to see the 100th Fire Emblem while we never get the 4th Pikmin or the 4th Kid Icarus game.
Metroid was never a huge seller…. And not long ago it was a dormant franchise…. And what do you know…. They took a risk when Mercury Steam did Metroid Dread, and guess what…. It’s now a huge seller. Now Metroid is in everyone’s radars again.
Another example: Xenoblade Chronicles.
Remember Nintendo refused to even localize the game and it was thanks to years of begging by Operation Rainfall that we got it in the West? Now it’s one of the best RPG franchise sellers for Nintendo, so popular that now it has 3 entries on the same console.
I rest my case.
@YoshiF2 Except you missed my point entirely. You specifically said they should make a new F-Zero instead of the 30th Fire Emblem Game.
Yes, F-Zero can get a game it ends up being the franchise's saviour but that was never my point, my point was it would be extremely stupid to ditch a franchise that makes a ton of money in favour of one that's been dead for over a decade.
The point I made never was about a franchise getting a saviour, it was about how dumb it would be to not make a new Fire Emblem and instead to focus on a dead franchise.
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