Nintendo has obtained a UK High Court injunction against six internet service providers in an effort to stop Switch games from being downloaded illegally.
The injunction means that six UK-based ISPs – BT, EE, Plusnet, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media – must now block access to specific ROM portals for two years.
The injunction application – which is dated December 2nd, 2021 – sees Nintendo requesting a website blocking order under section 97A of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. The six named ISPs are requested to block access to five domains: nsw2u.xyz, nsw2u.org, nsw2u.com, nsw2u.net and nswrom.com. These domains, Nintendo says, offer pirated Switch ROMs.
Nintendo believes these sites are commercial in nature due to the fact that they feature advertising which generates income based on page views and pop-up ads. Nintendo also voiced concerns over explicit adult content appearing during the download process, given the young nature of its main audience.
The company also claims that it has made repeated attempts to contact the owners of the sites via its solicitors in order to settle the matter out of court and that it believes all of the named sites are owned by the same entity.
In an order handed down by Justice Joanna Smith, it was acknowledged that the domains in question offered Nintendo-copyrighted content and that a large proportion of downloads came from the UK. Justice Smith found that the sites do indeed infringe Nintendo copyrights in the UK, and that the sites also infringe Nintendo’s trademark rights contrary to the Trade Marks Act 1994:
There is no plausible basis to suppose that the use of the marks is merely descriptive; they are being used to denote (falsely) the origin of the games and thereby to drive traffic to the websites for the purposes of making a profit. This is not in accordance with honest practice.
Judge Smith stated that awarding an injunction on the basis that it would be a “fair balance” between protecting Nintendo’s rights and those of the public – as well as allowing ISPs to continue trading fairly.
[source torrentfreak.com]
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🤔 … actually, Good for them.
Cool! Now no one can play gamecube games without buying them from eBay for 60 bucks or more on outdated and possibly broken hardware!
To the probable delight of some premium VPN services.
Understandable if it’s for Switch games.
But for GameCube/N64/GBA/GB/GBC/DS/Wii games?
Damn, that’s just….mean…..
Waste of time really. (I dont know what the solution is)
Soon as they shut new one will open to replace them.
Plus it just covers the UK
@NinjaWaddleDee These specific sites seemingly offer only Switch ROMs, and anyway this can likely be easily bypassed with a VPN. Not to mention that there are also countless other websites not affected by this block.
"We're blocking access to THESE SITES <FLASHING NEON ARROW>" might have been a bit more subtle.
Lol they want all the NSO subscriptions they can get.
There's always a way around this, I can still access sites like pirate bay to this day
@Xiovanni nah mate, Nintendo’s injunction does that. Combined with a vpn though, shows how useless it is. I’m sure most of us would not pirate switch games though.
Ohno! these sites can no longer be accessed, if only there was an easy and widely known way to view blocked websites.
Some people in this comment section seem to have missed the part where these sites only offer Switch game ROMs. That's why they all have 'nsw' in their names.
@sullivans2004 Piracy is wrong no matter how old the system or game is.
Gonna be that one, or two, or fifty eight idiots in the comments "BUT GAME PRESERVATION", switch games will be well preserved, they don't need to be distributed for free on rom sites that profit from the piracy to be preserved.
As soon as UK ISPs had to block specific p2p torrent sites, THOUSANDS of proxy sites were created to provide even more access. Anyone can access The Pirate Bay in thousands of locations to this day. Nintendo should focus on making Nintendo Switch Online better so that piracy isn’t worth it.
@AugustusOxy
They will disappear as soon as Nintendo inevitably close the servers. The only way to re-download them will be ROM dumps. I hope Nintendo prove me wrong and make purchase history available on all future consoles, but I doubt it.
@sanderev
Disagreed, I find piracy to be very good for delisted games and games that cost way too much on eBay/Amazon.
For example, a delisted game that is okay to pirate, for me at least, is Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3, a game that features Wolverine of Marvel Comics fame, although I kinda doubt it was on digital sale at all to begin with, considering it was released in 2003.
And for “games that cost way too much on eBay/Amazon….yeah, WWE Smackdown! Here Comes The Pain, along with its predecessors and some of its successors will NEVER be rereleased, thanks to a certain Mr Benoit…therefore, yeah, it’s okay to not have to pay money to get access!
@sullivans2004 "I can't / don't want to pay for them so I will steal them"
Yeah, that's exactly what I hate about piracy. It costs companies like Nintendo MILLIONS to combat piracy, which only takes away money from game development and increases prices for people who actually want to pay for games.
@sanderev if you’re not paying the developer why is it somehow better to pay the reseller on eBay?
@TryToBeHopeful Because that copy was once sold by the publisher, the seller can't continue playing that copy after he sold it to you.
And if you talk about "game preservation", I stil have my very first game I ever bought. Tetris on the original GameBoy. It still works even now after all those years.
@sanderev
Well can you blame me? Who tf rly wants to have to pay £100+ for a goddamn ps2 game?????? 🤣 😭
Also “ It costs companies like Nintendo MILLIONS to combat piracy”
I don’t care, it makes far too much every year for me to ever doubt it can afford it!!
Thanks.
@sullivans2004 Change "insert game title here" with anything else and you see how stupid that argument is.
"I can't buy a Ferrari, so I will steal one."
"I can't buy a Yacht, so I will steal one."
"I can't buy a house, but my neigbour isn't home now. So I live here."
@sanderev
No, not really.
Comparing a video game (A VIDEO GAME) to a FERRARI OR A YACHT OR A HOUSE…..that is weird!! 🤣🤣🙄🙄🤦🤦
@CactusMan Excellent point!! 👍
@sanderev
Your examples don’t make any sense. ROMs are the equivalent of being given a replica of the Ferrari. They didn’t pay anything and it isn’t worth any resale value either. Nintendo made money selling the games. Collectors have a tangible product that is worth money and runs the best experience. Win-win for everyone.
@CactusMan
Exactly. The replica model isn’t going to affect the value of the actual 1953 Ferrari. In fact it would make the real thing more sought after.
@sullivans2004 Except it's not. Sure the value is different, but stealing is the same. Even for a loaf of bread.
A modern game costs millions to develop. Real people who have real families work on these games.
@CaptainCluck A pirated copy of a game gives you the exact same thing of the actual game if you get it to run on original hardware, which would take one sold copy from these companies. And if millions of people do this, this hurts the people that work on these games.
I work at a software company, and I have said it before. Software piracy is a true threat to my income. Piracy is not a victimless crime.
You wouldn't download a Pikachu.
Just use a VPN to keep access.
Windscribe is good and free. One click to turn on. One click to turn off.
@NinjaWaddleDee it's only UK ISPs. Use a VPN that proxy's you through an ISP from outside the UK or find another site, if you are so inclined.
@sanderev You can't compare a delisted video game to a car or yacht that is still being produced. The entire argument here is that Nintendo is not selling their old games anymore. Even if you were to buy it on eBay for a way higher price, Nintendo would never see that money. You're not hurting Nintendo for pirating a 20-year-old game that they stopped making money on 15 years ago.
If we're talking about Wii U, 3DS, and Switch ROMS, obviously that's different because Nintendo is still officially selling those games. But NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Gameboy, Wii, and more are fine to download since you are not hurting anyone in the process.
Nintendo does not lose money for you pirating their old, inaccessible games.
@StarPoint However, Nintendo also sells NES, SNES and N64 games (Nintendo Switch Online), and has multiple other games remade into Switch games. Sure it's not the same, but it still costs them money to do that.
Also if Nintendo would decide that tomorrow they would release every single NES, SNES and N64 game ever released onto the eShop. Would you destroy all your roms and buy them from the eShop?
LOCK UP THE BREAD THIEVES!
@sanderev the one sold copy isn't necessarily correct. It assumes the pirate would have otherwise purchased the game. It also assumes that they don't already own the game and simply want to use a cracked version or some other such reason where the copy they own wouldn't necessarily provide the same experience (useful for instance to run it easily without steam trying to patch it or it being flagged as modified). Additionally they may pirate and then buy which would mean the difference of the lost sale would just be the difference in the value of currency at the time with any discount taken into account (i.e. if the real value of money is comparably $1 less and it's bought at a $10 discount it would be more like a loss of $11 (to heavily oversimplify how currencies value works in relation to time and ignore a whole bunch of calculations).
Additionally a pirated game is different from a stolen object in that it isn’t removing inventory from sale (i.e. Walmart isn't out a copy to sell).
That's not to say that piracy is inherently OK. But it's an oversimplification to compare it to theft of a physical item or assume that 1pirated copy is the same as 1 lost sale.
@sanderev To answer your question, yes, I would. If Nintendo provided a modern, reliable way to play ALL of their old games, I would absolutely buy them. But the problem is that there are so many games that are missing from their terrible NSO service that it hardly seems worth it to pay for.
The fact that you can't play Earthbound and Mario RPG hurts the most I think. And besides, that argument still doesn't reach the Gamecube, Gameboy, and Wii, whose games remain mostly inaccessible excluding the ever-rare port to the Switch here and there.
If Nintendo provided a service to play all of their retro games on their modern hardware, I would most certainly buy it and not bother with ROMS and emulators anymore. But as it stands, Nintendo's not doing that, leaving so many games and systems in the dust.
@sanderev
“ Also if Nintendo would decide that tomorrow they would release every single NES, SNES and N64 game ever released onto the eShop. ”
My dude, that is IMPOSSIBLE.
@Gwynbleidd No, I do actually have specifics which I'm not allowed to share. Needless to say, it's all piracy. Luckily we also have countermeasures against piracy: me.
@StarPoint This argument is totally futile. The sides are entrenched. And he's come out with 'stealing bread is a crime'.
Finally someone on Javert's side.
@TryToBeHopeful Yeah I have a feeling that this is going nowhere lol
@sanderev False Equivalence Fallacy.
@atryue But bread, yachts and intellectual property from now and 40 years ago are all EXACTLY THE SAME!
@TryToBeHopeful A more accurate comparison would be something like...
I tried to buy your out of print software. But, your company will not sell it anymore. I tried to give them my money. But, they didn't want it. I pleaded with them, "please take my money!" But, they turned me away. So, I found a copy of the software somewhere else.
I'm all for Nintendo taking down sites that pirate Switch games. Switch game piracy actively takes money from Nintendo.
I'm not so much for Nintendo taking down sites that offer retro games that they're not making money off of, but that's a different story.
I don’t understand why old movies older than oldest video games are readily available like It’s a Wonderful Life, Psycho and The Sound of Music are all available on every movie format but Donkey Kong 64, Goldeneye 007 and Yoshi’s Cookie are not.
@sanderev yeah poor little Nintendo lol
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
@sanderev
Can a Ferrari, Yacht or house be copied an unlimited amount of times with the original being left intact and available?
You can't compare physical products to digital products.
As usual, it's such an out-of-touch argument that these sites are for profit because they "feature advertising." All that means is they maybe, possibly, but probably not, manage to cover the cost of hosting. The amount of revenue generated by banner ads is negligible, and they're basically a necessity to just keep the lights on for a website, which is why ad-free sites are increasingly rare or supported by donations. Most archival sites are going to run ads or donation drives unless they're funded by a university.
Also, it's a horrifying precedent that ISPs can block any domain just because a company somewhere doesn't like them. The internet desperately needs to be an open utility.
I don't support piracy... But this should not be a legal course of action. Rather, this should be illegal. ISPs should not be able to "block" access to a location on the internet "just because."
There might be some reasonable cause this time... But "reasonable" can also be subjective.
ISPS should have two options: Allow access to everywhere or disallow access to everywhere. Absolutely no picking and choosing what so ever.
As someone who lives in the US...yeah, this is bad. This should concern you no matter where you live, because if Nintendo can do this thing out of sheer pettiness, what's stopping other multibillion dollar companies from doing this kind of thing for even worse reasons?
Not that I would encourage Switch piracy but isn't Nintendo doing something just as illegal here?
It's called "net neutrality" and did we not just go through this a few years ago.
If they're allowed to do this, what's to stop some other company from doing something more life-impacting?
Oh. They're Switch rom sites. That's fine. People shouldn't emulate brand new games.
It really is kinda lame to even download modern games nowadays whether legally or illegally as they need to be day one patched anyways. Downloading them illegally means you don't get the patch as easily unless some hacks give you access, not only that if that game had online functionality your system IP and account gets block for life by Nintendo or whatever company caught you in the act and you lose access to any and all online compatibility.
I feel like this a bit of overreach. I'm all in favour of pirating games and Nintendo should assert also its legal rights to stop pirates. I'm fine with the cat and mouse game here. Also, fine with stealing Ferraris and yachts. But this law should be shutting down pirate sites and suing the site's owners. Not forcing ISPs to block access to the sites. That seems just a titch too authoritarian and accommodating to commercial interests. The internet is being slowly walled off and becoming a corporate controlled space. Politicians will use the excuse of controlling dangerous misinformation or protecting children, which are noble causes, but in reality all they want is to protect corporate profits and put up toll booths.
I'm not going to get into this because I've made my stance on piracy rather clear in the past. HOWEVER! If a site is making a profit off of Nintendo's intellectual property, is advertising adult content next to Mario, Link and Pokemon and does not make it clear they are not affiliated with Nintendo then it does damage the brand. It is how parents who may run into these sites by accident may associate Nintendo with these services and damage how they view Nintendo. Nintendo has every right to take things like this seriously even if they are not directly profiting off of these games anymore.
I love game preservation and have discussed multiple times how you can preserve your own copy (it is actually not that hard especially disc-based games). But, as soon as someone says I cannot afford it therefore I will download it for free and directly put profit into these people's pockets you are participating in a practice that is illegal whether you agree with it morally or not.
"Nintendo also voiced concerns over explicit adult content appearing during the download process, given the young nature of its main audience."
Yeah I'm sure their bloodthirsty lawyers really cared about this and weren't just using "think of the children!" to pad their argument (and wallets).
Whenever I see something has been decided in our courts by Justice Smith, I just think of Justice Smith the actor.
Awesome! Thank You Nintendo! Destroy all Pirates and Illegal garbage.
@SnesSwitch I Agree!
LONG LIVE NINTENDO AND OTHER GAMING COMPANIES!
Sorry pro pirate people here that want their free games, but the moment when they profit off Nintendo games is the moment “Muh game preservation” argument is thrown out the window. It’s just another con that is getting rightfully cracked down.
So many in the comments clearly skipping the content of the article to rush and voice this as Nintendo being the bad guy again.
This is targeting sites offering Switch roms which no matter how much you paint it is stealing, too bad it's only in the UK and easily bypassed.
Don't be cheap and pay for your games people.
Nintendo: This will deter people from downloading our Switch games for free.
Reality: I can get free Switch games over there? *****' neat-O!
@NinjaWaddleDee did you actually read this? This spoke exclusively about switch ROMs
To all the people who think this is a useless motion, let me give you a small hint. If there’s a documented court injunction blocking these sites, and the owners of the sites continue sharing Switch games, the inevitable court ruling when they get sued will be much worse for the site owners.
This is an opportunity for the site owners to stop. It’s less about how effective this will be, and more about how it’s going to make the case a slam dunk when Nintendo sues.
Blocking movie and TV ones on sky worked really really well…. Honest. It’s much harder now. No sarcasm. Honest.
So will the ISP's stop blocking these sites once the Switch is no longer current or is this going to last forever?
@Crono1973 Article stated it's for 2 years. Second line of the article.
@sanderev so you think everyone who pirates a game would buy it if they didn't pirate it? I've always known ppl who did it to play games they wouldn't buy, so that doesn't really seem to take money away from anyone. It doesn't make it right, though.
If companies like Nintendo continued to manufacture & sell their old games from legacy systems, it would eliminate the need for anyone to download ROMs for game preservation, but it doesn't seem important enough to them (not just them, but that's what's being discussed here),, sadly.
@NinjaWaddleDee the article is talking about switch games
@NinjaWaddleDee You mean they can buy most of them for cheap at used game stores and often major online retailers and play them on perfectly good hardware on which the games were designed to be played or designed to be backwards compatible with.
Luckily, a VPN can still be used to bypass these restrictions, so this ruling will do little to stop piracy. Thank you for advertising those sites! I have added them to the "Hacks and Cracks" folder in my Chrome bookmarks on my Google account.
I am also proud of the many commenters fighting back against the "piracy is theft" crowd. I guess we cannot name names, but those trolls must understand that they will not be let off so easy by us!
@sullivans2004 Whether or not something is available or expensive is irrelevant. You're simply not entitled to free entertainment no matter its availability nor price.
If something is expensive, that's because people are willing to pay that much for it, so you need to either put up the big bucks yourself or do without.
Okay yes I know this article was about Switch games. I'm just talking about in general this sets a bad precedent for older console generations.
@NinjaWaddleDee No, it sets a good precedence, since you shouldn't be pirating games on any systems. As I already said, you're not entitled to free entertainment. As for "game preservation," that can easily be done without giving them away to other people, and plenty of people are already doing it that correct way.
@BulbasaurusRex Buy most of them for cheap at used game stores? I wish that were a reality.
@NinjaWaddleDee Instead, the reality is that you can get a used copy of Wii Sports (the game that came bundled with every Wii) for $50 USD at GameStop...
@Royalblues Even if the next system isn't backwards compatible and redoes the online store again (although I doubt the latter will happen again), most people will just keep their Switches around to continue playing Switch games. Only idiot gamers completely stop playing their older systems whenever they get the newest one.
@NinjaWaddleDee Thankfully, it is! Besides GameStop, which offers tons of GameCube games (your example) for much cheaper than $50, there are tons of smaller used game stores still out there that offer just as good and often even better deals, many of which even have online stores.
@IpwnedU123 and Nintendo doesn't see a cent from it. It's ridiculous that people try to defend a multi billion dollar corporation thst couldn't care less about it's history.
@NinjaWaddleDee But used game store owners need the money even more than Nintendo does!
Meanwhile, it would be complete infeasible for major developers to re-release every single game from their back catalogues on a regular basis. That's just asking for bankruptcy! That's even before getting into licensing issues that make it flat-out impossible for many older games, anyway.
Like always, this site loooooooooves to promote Switch piracy, WHY share the links so people can look for similiar ones or go look right now before they're taken down????
@IpwnedU123 "Wii Sports" is obviously a terrible example. There's simply no beating the original price of a free pack-in game.
I don't know why that particular game is so ridiculously priced at GameStop, but most of their Wii games are quite a bit cheaper. Otherwise, you can go to another used game store with better prices (not that hard to find) or even get a good price for many Wii games on Amazon and other online retailers, not to mention the ones that are still available for just $20 on the Wii U eShop.
I'm not 100% against preserving game roms and the like (but do have my owned skewed 'morals' on it) but reading the comment section anywhere about this topic just goes to show how ignorant, childminded, oblivious and selfish a lot of 'gamers' are.
Absolutely mental.
@IpwnedU123 Piracy is theft.
The piracy crowd just love to use "game preservation" and "emulating isn't illegal" to cover their cheap backs. There's a vast difference between emulating an old game and emulating a new Switch release like these sites offer.
People like that give the emulation crowd a bad name.
I just love how whenever piracy of new games come up people jump right to the same tired excuses of preservation.
Thank you so much for preserving Pokemon Brilliant Diamond I only saw 30 on the store shelf when picking it up last week, you're doing God's work👍
At least be honest and say "Im cheap" rather than pretend your thieving is noble and just.
@HeeHo Piracy is copying. Copying does not take the original from the owners possession. Therefore, piracy/copying is not theft.
@IpwnedU123 That's grasping at straws and you know it😂
@HeeHo Grasping at straws is trying to compare a Ferrari to a copied video game.
Too bad this will be so easy to bypass for wouldbe pirates.
@Crono1973 who's doing that? All I'm saying is at least be open and say you're stealing rather than using a loophole in the definition to make it seem legal.
Piracy by UK law is counted as stealing otherwise why even have the copyright laws in place.
@HeeHo No, that is completely factual.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_piracy#Ethics:
"The prevalence of piracy in face of these potential penalties is due to the fact that individuals do not see piracy as inappropriate let alone illegal, instead viewing it as ethically acceptable due to the core execution of piracy being that it creates a copy of the file, thus nothing tangible is being taken away from the original owner."
Apparently, we are not allowed to name names, but just scroll through the comments, and you will find someone comparing piracy to stealing a Ferrari.
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@HeeHo who's doing that?
sanderev post #25
Good to see some people here advocate for piracy websites that advertise...checks notes...p*rnographic content.
@Xiovanni
You have to understand Switches are not meant to play games this way. What I mean is: they have software to actively prevent loading "ROMs" on the console. To load the ROMs requires extensive modifications of the console via software (known as 'custom firmware') or hardware (media emulators, mod' chips) and the knowledge to find, install, and operate said modifications.
If you can do all that (and not all Switches can presently), you already know where to get ROMs, and the loss of 1% of the ROM sites isn't going to slow anyone down. Besides, digital sucks; it's better to purchase physical games and support your favorite game company.
@HeeHo Imagine other sources reiterating the fact that piracy is copying...
From https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/understanding-software-piracy:
"Software Piracy is the illegal approach of copying, distributing, modifying, selling, or using the software which is legally protected."
"This software piracy refers to the unauthorized copy and use of legal software."
"In online piracy, the illegal software is acquired from online auction sites and blogs which is mainly achieved through the P2P(Peer to Peer) file-sharing system. As it is acquired by means of the Internet, often it is called Internet Piracy."
From https://alirezahayati.com/2021/11/12/copying-is-not-theft:
"Imagine your car gets stolen but it’s still there!"
Let me know if you need any more sources saying that piracy is copying, and not theft...
@IpwnedU123 "Imagine your car gets stolen but it’s still there!"
This is a fantastic way to put it.
@nhSnork
Don't even need a premium VPN, just use Tor
People who steal modern games are disgusting, and have no passion or respect for the industry or games as an artform. Stick to playing Fortnite with your kids you thieving lowlives.
Another example that the fossils still running Nintendo have no idea how the internet actually works.
@Gavintendo bit dramatic innit
Angry nintender reads "legal actions" and "ROM", and starts complaining...
Read the full note, at least
"I have a right to play old games! Stupid company give me what I want!"
Nintendo has to at least make a good faith effort to stop this sort of thing or it could make it difficult to protect their IP in the future. But it also shows Nintendo there is a demand for ready access to their classic games library, so if they really wanted to stop the pirates, they would work to make their old games readily available at a fair price.
Does a vpn not just bypass that?
@DABYX I agree. I don't care what people's morals are about piracy or how it is a "victimless crime" etc, etc, etc. But, the thing is like it or not you are supporting crime by using these sites and allowing people to profit off work they have no right to. That is illegal whether we agree or not. reading some of these comments I want to toss my hands in the air. As soon as you mention the legality of the issue people call you a Nintendo shill or any other derogatory term they can think of.
@IpwnedU123 it is still illegal. You're making an illegal copy of a product and distributing it. You are allowed to backup your software in most English-speaking nations. But, as soon as you distribute that is the crime.
@Wexter True, but my point is that many large corporations (as well as some of the commenters here) want you to believe that even making private backups is illegal, and a form of theft.
Luckily, we know better, and I am here to disprove the notions that piracy = theft, ROM hacks = piracy, emulators = piracy, etc.
block them to hell.. thieves that can't create anything
@Crono1973 imagine not getting paid for your creation while people enjoy it. That is the endgame and yes this did happen widespread on PCs in the early days and killed most of cool gaming companies.
@Xiovanni that was my first thought. Hopefully NL won't get blocked after so many many articles borderline supporting piracy.
Wow good job nintendo instead of fixing joycon drift, ***** main menu, ***** eshop that is just a website thats why it lags and never will have music, still not adding folders, having basic features that other consoles have, and home menu themes. Nope forget all that lets block some piracy website that is just hosting some hoarder's stash, meaning 5 more switch piracy website will pop up after this, probably the same website under a different url.
Oh no, I'm not entitled to do what I want?!
Oh no, it's ILLEGAL?!!
Crikey, I'm not allowed to do something just because the man on the digital high horse says so?
Sucks to be you!
Remember kids, never break the law ever, comply with all laws even if they're asinine, pointless, and you disagree with them. Always support your local mega corporation Otherwise it's the slammer for you!
@Crono1973
Once you played on a MiSTer, you ll reconsider the statement.
real hardware is great, but it will fails sooner or later. no matter on how much take care of it.
I live in Japan and accumulated a truck load of nintendo systems and games , but I got rid of them and kept only the few carts I played the most when I was kid
But...but...free games.
Pesky mega corporations.
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@Wexter I can only assume 90% do not have jobs or an adult life. That makes me feel better.
@twztid13 So it's okay to steal something, just because you wouldn't have bought it anyway? Okay, I'm guessing I am going to get a Ferrari now.
You guys have yet to make a legally valid claim to pirate/steal games. So my point on the matter stays the same.
@NinjaWaddleDee you can still use emuparadise with a workaround script on pc. Just make sure to right click the workaround script link and click "save as". You'll also need the tamper monkey extension.
@sanderev It's not even just about piracy as theft or even protecting IP. Remember Luigi's balloon world having indecent images from almighty godlike hackers.
Another victory for the real fans of gaming, but judging by the comments there will be another criminal ready to take there place.
@Kehkou Physical games are great, unless they’re DS/3DS/PSVita/Switch flashroms which all have instances of failing, especially if not used regularly.
@Atmosfear In fairness to the mentioned websites, these aren’t some ‘hoarders stash’ but the largest switch ‘scene’ community and repository for pirated games online. I’m sure they will create a new extension like .zxw or whatever and then it negates the need for a VPN
People who pirate are fools, ruining things for everyone.
Why?
Piracy will lead to cloud-only future games.
Article claims it's 6 ISPs, then proceeds to name 4 ISPs, with the "second" and "third" being subsidiaries of the first.
@BTB20 Yes and? That's good Nintendo is ripe with anti-consumer practices, this is what they get when you piss on your fanbase and keep peddling ***** games at nearly never discounted prices.
I have no intention of ever wanting to play Metroid Dread.
Nintendo isn't losing money because of my decision to not purchase the game.
If I were to ever hack my switch, which I won't until after the next system is out, I may want to try the game. Nintendo didn't lose any profit.
@X68000 N64; I have a copy of Rush that will no longer save. I've never had that issue with the others though (never even seen a Vita).
@DABYX ...and that has what to do with piracy?
Or put another way:
I decide I want to, in five years, play Super Smash Brothers Ultimate or Power Rangers Battle for the Grid.
I'm stuck paying super high prices for a cartridge with only the base game, but all updates and DLC are no longer available...
If I want the full game, the only way to play it is to download the ROM...
@Cathousemaster
Impossible to do.
Rural USA (amongst other countries) has such horrible internet infrastructure that it wouldn't work.
@somebread If you don't understand how pirates and hackers sharing pirated and hacked software can enable people to circumvent online protections because the games are pirated and hacked then idk what to say.
@DABYX hacking a game =/= pirating a game; hacking software =/= pirating software, etc.
i think you are conflating two things here--the amount of people who pirated mario odyssey just to have filthy images on the balloon minigame was most likely nil, while the amount of people willing to use hacks/workarounds was most likely high, if the amount of people willing to get their account banned to make pornographic smash bros stages (WITHOUT hacking, even) are any indication
@somebread I understand the difference but can you can honestly believe that the person(s) involved in the Luigi images would have been capable of doing so without access to pirate and hacking websites for the current gen? I actually have great respect for people who hack hardware of games and consoles of the past.
It's like how a lot of people advocate for preservation and piracy is fine because they themselves are only doing so for games they wouldn't buy without looking at the bigger picture of current games that are for sale and the cost of developing, marketing, producing physical products and that a lot of people are pirating current games so they don't have to buy any.
In regards to hacking the Switch I have had this conversation before and no one seems to understand that yes, it is okay to do whatever the heck you want with the product you own but if you share those means then you are giving the opportunity to other people to pirate, ruin online experiences and reduce the profit for the people involved in the games creation.
@Kehkou your n64 game just needs a new button cell battery. Like almost all cartridge based systems Up to the n64 they used masked roms which will last for many more years if they are well looked after. The other ones mentioned use similar tech to a flash based memory card and they have a much shorter lifespan.
@pilonium64 Once you played on a MiSTer, you ll reconsider the statement.
What statement? It's not like you quoted me so I don't know what you are talking about.
The more Nintendo does this kind of sh*t the more I actually want to start pirating.
@IpwnedU123, for the most part, we seem to agree except on particulars (so I will not get into those). I've been big on backing up my stuff for a while, and it's not that hard. Disc-based games require the correct burner and software, and I wish more people gave that a try rather than supporting sites like these.
@dBackLash So Nintendo going through the legal avenue to remove access to pirated Switch software makes you want to pirate Switch software... okay... >_>
These websites are highly unnecessary, all of these files are available to be torrented right now. If you use a good VPN you don’t have to worry about your ISP or Nintendo knowing about it either.
It's always fun when (edit: some people on) both sides of the argument don't understand how law works.
Hint: if anyone thought I was pro-piracy, court-made injunctions are not a slippery slope to censorship. Both sides need some nuance here.
IP piracy is not stealing a Ferrari (nor is stealing a loaf of bread). And all codified law is human-made (not infallible).
On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with a process in the law that stops people from accessing illegal things, as futile as it may be.
@Xiovanni Excellent reasoning; not to mention developers get scared back to their nests by piracy ever since DS, even though it hasn't gotten nearly as widespread even in the BootMii days.
The comment section reads like something criminals notebook, if this was another crime people were discussing then many of you would turn full circle into some moral high ground, berating people for their crimes.
Anyway I need to get back to work on my trading bots ready for those next line of releases. Morals in 2021 pfft.. they only apply when I decide.
@dew12333 your comments are a riot
@nhSnork
Trust me VPNs are the next to have the hammer dropped on them. They need to stop advertising that you can watch Netflix catalogs from different countries by using their service. That is breaking international licensing contracts and is quite illegal.
@somebread Appreciated, thank you. Have a good day.
What alot of Trolls on here forget is when they buy anything or Services-they agreed to the TOS and EULA but then come back chirping it's not fair but failed to notice those two famous words TOS/EULA they already agreed to when buying anything. You whom supports pirates already gave up your rights under these two famous clauses and you have no rights to object when you agreed to it. But they keep harping their so called fallacy rights until they read the TOS/EULA and look between their legs. And don't forget those ISP also have their own TOS and if you violate they just remove your IP address - VPN isn't immune to this.
@sanderev "It doesn't make it right, though."
Reading is fundamental...
@SwitchForce to be fair, just agreeing to terms of service, or end user licensing agreements doesn't always make you bound by them (if they're found to be unlawful, for 1 example).
@twztid13 you don't change because you don't like them. TOS/EULA have yet to be over changed if so cite them. When you pirate you violated the TOS/EULA you have no recourse as example.
Where did we think the expansion pass price was going?
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