Yay! Town Ordinances Are Finally Making A Return To Animal Crossing

Will Beautiful Town ordinance make my island get invaded by flowers ?

@Anti-Matter the beautiful ordinance prevent your Island for having weeds, in Animal Crossing New Leaf the beautiful ordinance helped prevented your flowers from writhers.

With all of the updates, I am half tempted to delete my island and start over (but I won’t).

This was one of the welcomed (returning) features in the update.

This all makes me think, like, was the game un-finished? It just feels like alot of this stuff should have been in the base game? I could be wrong tho.

Now that I have waited, Its the perfect time to pick it up, When? idk.

@Snatcher To me, it felt incomplete at launch, things are better now though but a lot of the things they have added were just from New Leaf. If you like life-sims you might like this.

@Tandy255 Yeah, I've got too much invested in my island and neighbors to just reboot it all, but I am tempted (and daunted) with the prospect of leveling it and building it back up.

@Tourtus I played the hell out of new leaf, But I never picked this up because, well, I have been waiting for this kind of update.

@Snatcher
Get ACNH ASAP, especially after 5 November 2021.

@Giancarlothomaz
I remembered the Beautiful Town ordinance for ACNL was not just only prevent whitered flowers and weeds invasion but it also made my island got invaded by overpopulated flowers.

@Snatcher It was intentionally left unfinished. They did this to milk the playerbase, knowing that people would keep buying the game under the guise of a live service, when it was moreso an empty early access shell. Everything in this update was already found in the code, with some of it being in the code since launch, and others being in the code after a couple of updates.

Honestly though, while I'm not praising Nintendo, at least this next update will make it worth owning the game, even if it doesn't fix all the flaws that the game has. I wish it wasn't the final major update though, given that it's still missing things like smaller holidays and upgrades to the Nook shop.

@VoidofLight Well ya, I saw the leak and thought it should be a month or two, But damn this long? I have to agree with you here.

I work 2nd shift so it'll be nice to see more villagers out & about at midnight.

@Snatcher Yeah.. it's insane honestly. I remember when Brewster's coffee shop was datamined a day or so after the game leaked.

Stop saying "final update," it isn't the last one (free or otherwise).

@Snatcher Once the update comes out it'll be more like New Leaf but there are still a few features missing from that game. If you liked New Leaf then you'll appreciate the quality of life improvements New Horizons added like bigger inventory and terraforming, it was one of the few things they got correct at launch.

@IronMan30 It's the final major free update. All the rest of the updates won't add new content, and will pretty much just recycle holidays and add the odd item or two effectively.

@IronMan30 it's the final "free" update, after this it will all be paid dlc 🙄

@IronMan30 It's the last major free update, which means everything afterward will be paid DLC or very minor things like new clothing or furniture. It might as well be considered to be the final update since nothing substantial is coming in the future.

@antisumo the Direct clearly stated final MAJOR free update. If it were the final free update, Nintendo would have worded it that way.

Definitely night owl for me. I wonder if it will change any shop hours. It would be cool if it would make each shop's opening and closing hours, say, two hours later. I clock out of work in real life at 10:00 PM, and that very second Nook's Cranny is already closed, so attempting to buy/sell things is just not possible without visiting another island or changing the system clock constantly (which is annoying). It'd be nice if I had until midnight to do my shopping/selling, without having to resort to the drop box and be charged a service fee.

@VoidofLight Whoa really? So it really was a ploy.

@IronMan30 Still, it’s the final free major update. No new content will be added after this, unless it’s like furniture or clothing. Might as well be the final update in many people’s eyes due to this.

@Snatcher Yep, and it was what ruined the game for me after 2 months.

@VoidofLight I did hear alot of people get bored after just 2 months ya.

@VoidofLight and some people will still believe this is all bonus content that wasn't necessary. They literally finally announced the actual game, a year and a half after they sold it.

It's a shame, if I were buying now instead of at launch, I'd probably have really loved the game I waited 8, now 9 years to exist. Instead I burned out on that depressing empty steam greenlight game a year ago and can't foresee going back again.

Next ac I'm just waiting 2 years to buy.

This one was basically Animal Crossing: Avengers

I wish there was one where villagers would just decide to leave on their own will like the old days.

@NEStalgia Honestly agreed. I would still probably be playing now if they had all of this at launch, and supplemented that with free updates or something. I don’t even know if I’ll be buying the next game in this series yet or not. If it ends up like this, then I’m probably just done with the series.

@TYRANACLES Same. I miss that so much, and it sucks that it’s not even a toggle.

New leaf got an update five years in. Much like an off brand Bond movie I’m never saying never again.

oh cool! wahoo... yeah, i needed to use more words, i know...

@Domino Aside from trash, there’d no real use for the beautiful town one, as weeds are more helpful for things like medicine and furniture. Flowers also no longer wilt.

@Anti-Matter I used to have that 'Beautiful Town' ordinance on New Leaf, let's just say, after a while, there was no open space to be seen with all of those flowers

It sure was nice of them to remember that this was a basic feature of New Leaf and give it to us now after almost 2 years, for no other reason than that it gives the appearance of the game still being supported by an arduous and diligent team of devs that only want what's best for us.

@VoidofLight I think with Nintendo in general, it's become best to wait a few years to buy their mass market games. Core games like Metroid release complete and are safe at launch, probably Bayonetta as well. But the mass market games, it seems normal now that the game is released as a trickle for social marketing and is only a complete game after a few years. AC is just the most egregious example. I'm sure Animal Crossing: New Suckers will be a great game. 18+ months after launch...

@NEStalgia I noticed it's moreso just with their multiplayer games than it is mass market games. Any game with multiplayer has been pretty much milked with these "free content updates". It worked for Splatoon, but they also did it with ARMS, Kirby Star Allies, Mario Tennis Aces, Mario Golf, and a few other games with multiplayer components.

The only reason why it doesn't nearly work for Animal Crossing, is because besides what Nintendo says about it, these games are singleplayer experiences for the majority of the time you play. Sure, there's the online social stuff, but it's not nearly as big of a focus, and so that's why it falls flat on it's face when they actively cut out content to bolster the game.

Most of their singleplayer games seem to be safe from this plague, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo eventually tries to do it with them as well, given that it bolsters the sales significantly.

The game was awesome at launch and totally disagree with you there. I like it so much better than New Leaf……like honestly COVID had a lot to do with having to wait a year and half for this update.

@Pokefanmum82 To be frank, COVID isn't an excuse for this. The game has been confirmed to have been in development ever since New Leaf came out, so about 7 years or so of dev time.

@Mountain_Man I'm happy about all the new stuff that wasn't in New Leaf, I think most people are. Stuff like THIS had no reason to be withheld.

@shinesprites Which involved them cutting content from the main game and putting it back in later. The content was found in the code over a year ago when the game first got leaked.

@shinesprites And, because of this.. Nintendo really just deserves to get hell for it. They intentionally ruined the game so that they could make sales, only dangling this carrot in front of our noses now.

I'm glad we have the content, but I hate how it took them this long because they intentionally ripped it out from the game in the first place. This just solidifies my stance against buying another game in this series, unless they somehow don't do this the next entry.

Games with update models like these unironically keep me away from actively playing them, because it gets boring to know I've reached the end of the title's content.. and that there's nothing left to do at all. I wish they would've just launched with this stuff, and then added on top, instead of just launching with half the game, and then waiting a year after to add the rest.

I won't pretend to know what happened behind the scenes; but just because there was code for game features that were missing, in the game from the start, doesn't necessarily mean it was in there and stripped out...right?

It COULD just be it was always planned, but not ready/not created at the time the game launched?

Isn't it a pretty big assumption to say for sure it was stripped out? Implying it was all complete and they could have effectively launched the game at version 2.0 when it initially launched?

Whether or not one believes the base game contained enough content to be worth the money at launch is open to interpretation I guess?

@VoidofLight I still don't understand how it bolsters sales. Who buys a game because it has "free content updates"? It seems to, but I don't get it.

And yeah,I was going to say that ac isn't really a multiplayer game, so that theory doesn't work well. Though we don't know if the majority of okay with the casual base is really chilling with friends online, but the game has so little multiplayer content, and what's there is so heavily restricted, I can't imagine most play isn't solo.

Imagine Metroid Dread releases and then super missile, super missile doors are added 3 months later. Boss pack adds Kraid in a year, morph ball and mines in 18 months..... You can just pass through the locks that require them until release. Free content!

@NEStalgia There's tons of people who go "Hey, new free content!" And buy the game because they see it's supported. It's usually the casual crowd, or first time fans, but then you sometimes have older fans of the series who also fall into the trap. Live services can work as well, but only when the game's complete at launch, which New Horizons really wasn't.

Nintendo considers Animal Crossing New Horizons to be a huge multiplayer game for them. They pushed the social aspect of the game since the first day it was announced, and kept talking about it as if that's the main reason people play the game.

@VoidofLight tbh I wonder how much was "intentionally" left out when the game's own initial release had to be delayed because of development issues.

Recall that's the main reason we got this in March 2020 because it was supposed to be a Fall 2019 title if I recall well originally.

@NEStalgia Tbh I would say it's less about "people buying it BECAUSE of free content update" and more how such updates after release can be a way to keep a game in the news and thus visible.

In this day and age, the video gamer community's attention span is REALLY fickle past the release date of a game and unless you have "something" to keep it visible not just two weeks but months after release.... then those release day sales might be "all" that you get at all as the game immediately get thrown in the oblivion of the fast-paced constant onslaught of new releases one after the other.

So these updates are less because people are personally consciously looking forward to them and more because they keep the game visible at all to both current(who may have lapsed but might be reminded they did purchase that game they might even have enjoyed before it was pushed by another release they "had" to get) and new(who may have been curious around release day but lacked the funds at the time because of a new release but actually might have the money this time around as an update rolls in to recall them that WAS a game they were interested into at the time).

Honestly, I see the frantic pace of releases and how quickly forgotten even stuff people had looked forward to and paid for.... I can't blame game companies for this tactic.

There's plenty of solid, absolutely great, feature complete games people got and enjoyed but abandoned midway through not because they disliked the game or found it boring but simply because a new release rolled in and they HAD to try that other title too and then.... just forgot the other game existed and with a lack of update to bring it back to the forefront of their attention span.... well.

Yeah.

Honestly it's kind of why I'd really love for something like a slowdown of the pace of releases/etc at some point so we'd all have more time again to individually enjoy and savour the releases we get with less of the "fear of missing out" every time a new releases roll in because they might be given more time to come at a slower pace.

But I know it's not gonna happen in this day and age short of something, like, a crash of the entire industry's biggest AAA publishers or something.

@Ludovsky It could've been because the game was in development hell, since a 7 year dev cycle generally spells out a problem in the game itself. Thinking about it a bit more, so many things could've happened, like Splatoon 2 eating up the dev time, or the team struggling to find out a way to make this game better than the last. I still feel like the content was somehow cut from the final game, but that's only because I've seen Nintendo do that to other series I had an interest in, killing those series for me.

Guys, the issue you’re all complaining about is CAPITALISM, not NINTENDO

@GannonBanned without capitalism we'd have never had a Nintendo in the first place silly commie. There are ways to do this right and ways to seem greedy, it's a thin line and they've overstepped the wrong way a bit this time but nobody needs to become a political extremist over it yet. EA fans maybe.

Folks in here making a lot of bold declarations and matter of fact statements 🤣🤣.

@SpaceboyScreams I’m not following

@TYRANACLES
That was the thing I really hate most.
I don't want my villagers moving out by themself after I got them.
I want them stay forever.
Glad in ACNH you can decide to keep them or kick them when one of your villager want to move out.
The decision is by you, not by them.

@Anti-Matter Yes, but it would be nice to have the option to allow them to make the decisions themselves, so that your island isn't a hostage situation. This way, the people who do want villagers to move out on their own, then we have that option, while you also have the option to choose if they stay or not. Both sides would win if they make an ordinance that allows villagers to freely move off the island, as then you won't have to use the ordinance.

@VoidofLight
But I want to keep them forever and i will be pissed off if they are moving out without my acknowledge.
And that's the reason I don't play Old Animal Crossing games, I cannot keep my villagers forever when i get hiatus for long time and play again after long break.
To call a hostage situation about keeping my villagers, I don't care if keep my villagers as hostage as I have decided from beginning which villagers stay forever, which I will never want them to stay.
This is how do I play ACNL and ACNH since i treat the games like My Sims Wii which I can decide who is staying, who is get out from my town. And you cannot tell me I have to play Animal Crossing games like your play style or other people's play style. I played both ACNL and ACNH to keep my villagers forever, design my island, collect items, not by get engaged with social sim aspect like on Old Animal Crossing games. I played ACNL and ACNH like Barbie play house.

@Snatcher Honestly, once the update is released, it's probably the best time to jump in. Everything will be there and it'll make the early game feel more fleshed out with all this stuff available from the start.

Personally I couldn't be happier. I don't know if Nintendo decided to cut content with the game to have it ready before the original planned time after they saw what happened with the pandemic, but I think that most forget how good it was to receive the game in such awful times and that it was a good decision to get it out faster if that was the case. Also, this game was played more aggressively than any other Animal Crossing game ever before by a considerable amount because people got obsessed so it makes sense that it became stale before others as people had way more time to play it.

I understand getting bored of it and all, but what I don't understand is how players resent a game so much and forget that it really made most people happy in a difficult situation. It also seems as many people played until they got burned out, which I don't get either as when I simply start losing interest in a game I just go to other stuff and most people have backlogs to do the same. If I want to play a game, I play, simple as that. As for business practice, as long as this "missing content that should have been since the start" is free I don't have any problem. The new paid content is an entirely different thing so I don't think that they did that to trick people as it's not like they showed things that weren't there when the game got released.

Even if it was just a way to get the game out faster I can't say that I dislike that practice as long as they deliver the planned content on the base game as free. I can see why some people prefer to wait and have it all but it would just be a matter of them getting the game at the point that they think that they have enough to start playing.

@Snatcher I think that the game already had enough content for hundreds of hours since the start but yeah, with the new update it's an even better moment to start playing.

@Anti-Matter Remember that stuff about considering how others also play games, Anti. Sure, people like you and I prefer to be able to keep the villagers that we want without the trouble of them moving just because the game decides. However, an ordinance that gives that option to the people that desire that wouldn't affect us as long as we don't use it and it would allow people that prefer that to play that way.

As long as it's optional it wouldn't affect your preferred way and others would also be satisfied.

@roy130390 Yeah, I'm not mad they tricked people or anything, and getting the content for free is good. I'm just not really praising Nintendo like some people are over it. Hopefully, this update will finally give me the game I paid 60 dollars for, and the shopping island is the one thing that'll probably give me that value.

People who resent the game aren't the people who enjoyed the game at launch, or who were saved by it. They resent it because of what it represents for the series' future, or resent it because they feel like they were personally burned as long time fans of the series. I don't really think they're unfounded in their beliefs either, since the series' future is questionable after New Horizons sold so well.

I also don't think that Nintendo meant the corollate the release date of the game with the pandemic either. It kind of just happened, and due to that they ended up making more than they would on a normal entry in the series. I wouldn't be surprised if the next game doesn't sell nearly as well, or people get sick of seeing Animal Crossing as they'll remember a bad time in their lives, or only see it as a pandemic game and nothing more.

@VoidofLight Just to be clear mate I wasn't actually referring to you haha, I had more in mind some people that were pretty much saying " yeah this looks great and it's what I asked for but I'm not gonna play and that will show Nintendo" because as it has been mentioned, the game was already a commercial sucess to actually send any kind of message that way, specially if they themselves already bought the game. It just seems as a way to not try to get value from hard spent money but that's their problem.

As you and I discussed before the game definitely has taken another direction in a way that kinda forgot about the "Life Sim" aspect, or at least took steps back as it's now more robotic. To be fair I kinda felt that since New Leaf, but the side activities helped cover that so I don'y agree that much when people use that one as example of better villager behaviour. That's not to say that the next game won't give importance to this and recover and maybe improve upon it, but it's less likely to be a priority now that the one that distanced most from it is the most succesful and to me that trend started since New leaf which also sold better than the others before NH.

Let's also consider that as much as people say that they miss how snarky and rude villagers could be, people complained in those days about things like that and Resetti and also complain nowadays because of the blunt replies that they sometimes give when you talk to them too much which aren't even close to the stuff that villagers used to say so I think that even if Nintendo is hearing complaints, they kind of send mixed signals. Sure, it isn't the same as how they were, but those are the only remnants of those days and people compain about them.

As for the model of releasing these games faster (as in every 3-5 years instead of the long time that happened between older entries) with some features missing in my case I don't have a problem with that. As long as content is free I'm happy with the model that they have now. New Leaf made a similar thing to this with Welcome Amiibo too. I do think that they could have divided this update in 2 parts to deliver some of it months before as the drought was painful and people were clearly getting desperate.

@VoidofLight I think the series will be fine. The next entry will probably have some new tricks up it sleeve, refine some current ones and it'll sell. Maybe not as much as New Horizons has for obvious reasons. But the hype for NH was immense before Covid. So the brand awareness is much more than it was for previous titles. Of course there are no guarantees.

New Leaf was better than New Horizons for 1.5 years but at least they're finally giving the stuff they pruned out from NL

@haniwa New Leaf wasn't better for more than a second.

I wonder what Beautiful Island ordinance does... In New Leaf it meant your flowers would never die but that doesn't happen in New Horizons.

@Snatcher,

No excuses not to buy the game now, I am now worried I may not have enough time for all this stuff, it was different during the pandemic when I was off work.

Pretty sure Nintendo's main priority was the island design as they knew this would sell the game to the masses, but I have still found tonnes of stuff to do before this update, and pretty sure Nintendo always planned to patch stuff in at a later date to keep the game fresh, and data mines are proof of this.

I would also expect more paid for DLC, as Nintendo were very keen to point out this was the last substantial free update.

@VoidofLight,

You need to put him on ignore mate, that's what you normally do when people do not agree with you.

But seriously you change your mind more times than the weather changes, and you must admit your distain for the game has been very evident on every single comment section, then label everybody wrong who does not agree with you.

@sanderev,

Some people on here will never admit that for a second, New Leaf will always be the best game in their eyes, a safe be really as that game was not as popular as the new one, a lot do not like it when a game is insanely popular, Nintendo are fine when they stay in their place.

@johnvboy
I heard you will transfer your ACNH save data to Switch OLED.
Will i able to visit your island again ?

@Anti-Matter,

Of course, all set up..

I have those benches for you.

@NEStalgia,

We will always agree to disagree on the subject of Animal Crossing New Horizons, you see it as an empty decorating sim, where I see it as pretty much the same as previous entries, with the same stuff to do and collect each day, sure there is content missing but hardly game breaking in my opinion.

Now we have the latest update to add some previous and additional content, and I feel it's the perfect time for it, and if you look at data mines, this was probably Nintendo's plan all along, and of course with some additional paid DLC that was an individual game last time. you see it as too little too late.

Shame really as I genuinely would love you to like the game as much as me, as I know you are a massive fan of the series.

@Mountain_Man To what end should fans never complain? Your analogy doesn't strike me as apt because it fails to draw a similarity to Nintendo's anti-consumer behavior. Millions of people paid full price for this game without being told that it would have many many things from the last game withheld for years, stuff that was finished but purposefully not being released because it benefited the company to draw it out slowly. It was too late to speak with our wallets. What would you suggest we do?

I wish some more personality variance would be added within the pre-established types, and I wish a proper nightclub would be added (purely because I loved that location in New Leaf, lol), but I’m overall happy with the state of things. I don’t think the way things were handled was favorable at all, but as someone whose current job is being a go-between for customer service and production, I know there’s a ton of stuff that can go wrong from start to finish and slow stuff down... Most of which the end-customer never gets to learn about. D:

Night owl ordinance! Now I can set my Switch to use my actual timezone again. I usually don't get time to play until after 9pm.

I'm excited to try all this new stuff out, but I'm apprehensive in regards to the DLC.

@Mountain_Man Trust me I followed every single article and trailer for this game before release and they never stated it would be released half finished. They announced free DLC sure but they didn't announce giving me what I thought I was paying for up front over the course of several years. Why keep complaining though you ask: in hopes that someone at Nintendo sees your protest, as ineffectual as that may be, large groups of fans calling bullsh*t has proven that it can sometimes get a point across. Very precious of you to assume I don't know what anti-consumerism looks like, I'm sure if you paid for a season of a TV show up front but then after half of the season aired they announce part two is coming later and you don't hear about it for two years, you'd be feeling a little like a few of us have felt.

@SpaceboyScreams "... they never stated it would be released half finished."

Because it wasn't it. In terms of hours played to date, I've gotten at least as much entertainment out of New Horizons as I did from New Leaf, and now with this latest free update and a meaty paid expansion? New Horizons is going to leave New Leaf in the dust! I don't see what there is to complain about.

@Mountain_Man You got a lot of enjoyment out of something half finished and that's okay, so did I, but that's not evidence that I'm wrong. I have all the evidence on my side. Our shop can still only be upgraded once, our furniture sets have been drastically reduced (though it appears the paid update is remedying that by bringing back many old and some new sets), villagers have tragically little to say to you no doubt because most of their speech is being withheld until it's relevant with the updates, case and point over a year ago Nintendo had to patch out villagers talking about Brewster coming. Many small old abilities like an ABD for your home and town ordinances are just now coming back and our fully upgraded houses are still smaller than New Leaf. Everything announced in the free update was leaked very shortly after the game came out, the code was there for it just waiting for Nintendo to say "okay the game needs more publicity now, give it to them". ALL of this has been done for ages, the development team has moved to Splatoon 3! There's no denying what's happened but you can certainly feel however you like about all of it, I personally would have waited to buy the game later if I'd known I would have had the dissatisfaction of everything being stifled up to this point.

@SpaceboyScreams "You got a lot of enjoyment out of something half finished..."

No, I got a lot of enjoyment out of a full and complete game. Even if Nintendo never released this update or the expansion, I would have felt like I more than got my money's worth out of New Horizons. I don't feel that there is anything missing from the core Animal Crossing experience (by the way, if you talk to the animals multiple times a day, they actually have a large variety of things to say). This additional content feels like exactly that to me: additional. I don't feel like it's completing the game, I feel like it's adding to it and will give it far greater longevity than New Leaf ever had.

As it is, it seems you've headed down the same path as VoidofLight and have put yourself in a position where you can only have negative feelings which will suck a lot of the enjoyment out of it for you. That's too bad.

@FishyS I demand Copper, Booker, and the police station be brought back

I'm going to choose Night Owl in ACNL I picked Beautiful just so the flowers wouldn't die since they don't die in ACNH no point in picking it, and it would make it, so you won't get trash from the ocean, but trash is kind of important in ACNH if you want to craft something

@Mountain_Man Man even with all the evidence I gave you you're going to bask in your delusions? I'm not knocking the game, I told you I've enjoyed it and I'm sure I have way more hours in it than you (thanks for the tip about talking to my villagers though, gee why didn't I think of that), I stated a fact and backed it up with ample evidence and all you can do is shove your sausages in your ears and scream "lalalalalala". You FEEL like it's complete, how am I supposed to argue with your feelings? At least focus on my rational points one by one or stop wasting my time.

@SpaceboyScreams,

So a company should now advertise a product telling people what it does not contain, if you listen to yourself you will realize how ludicrous you sound, as any company selling any product will show what features it does have, not what it does not.

They pushed the new feature of the game, which was the island design, and the basic day to day stuff was still there, they always planned to add other stuff as the date mines show, but if you feel they were obliged to tell people about certain missing things at launch, I feel you are insane.

They have gone for a much bigger audience this time round, and have eclipsed the sales of New Leaf, or course you and others will always fall back on the old, but are the 36 million people all that happy.

@SpaceboyScreams "...even with all the evidence I gave you..."

You didn't give me evidence, you gave me your opinion. I, in turn, gave you my opinion. We happen to disagree, but disagreement is a part of life. No need to get your nose out of joint over it.

You claim that New Horizons is supposedly "missing" features and then, as is typical of these arguments, present a list of things that were in New Leaf but are not in New Horizons. Of course if I wanted, I could present a list of things that are in New Horizons but aren't in New Leaf. Does this mean that New Leaf is "missing" features and is an incomplete game? Of course not. It's an absurd argument.

@Mountain_Man,

And finally, somebody confirming if you actually take the time and effort to speak to your villagers, they have a lot of new things to say, I am sure this has been patched in ages ago, and I am constantly surprised by the variety.

@VoidofLight "I'm not praising Nintendo for adding content that should've been at launch..."

It's this undeserved sense of entitlement that is a large part of your problem. I just hope you are able to let go of the negativity and find a way to enjoy the game as much as the millions of us who are eagerly looking forward to this added content, but I suspect that with every new feature revealed, you're just going to grouse about how "that should've been there at launch" and will stop playing in a few weeks with nothing but feelings of bitterness.

@johnvboy No I'm not asking them to do that, I'm saying why I'm disappointed. It was obviously a surprise to all of us that it took this long to include old stuff we were all expecting. That you even twisted your little peanut in such a way to interpret my comment like that just so you could speak in a vile tone to me puts some weird personal issues you've got on display and I'm not sure I want anything to do with that thanks.

@Mountain_Man Are you f***ing kidding me? NO evidence? Do you need me to post links to the leaks, the patching out references to the coffee shop over a year ago, side-by-side comparisons of our shop to the huge old shop, etc? How is any of that "opinion"? I have to assume you're trolling at this point, otherwise, yikes.

@SpaceboyScreams,

No I think after all the posts I realize you and others are unhappy with the game, but at some point you guys just have to just let it go, and let people just enjoy the game, as it can't be good for you.

Vile seems a very strong word for giving some of your own medicine back to you, but as you wish.

@Anti-Matter but ordinances is options for everyone I like to cycle out and try new things. Just like in real life, I may not like a person at first but given a little time they may grow on me.