Frame Rate And Resolution For Pikmin 3 Deluxe Demo Seemingly Revealed

What a lazy port, hope they patch it and add touch support as well.

For a game as strategic and slower paced as Pikmin 30 fps is more than fine.

If this is indicative of the final release then it screams of laziness, which has been par for the course for Nintendo for most of this year with the exception of Animal Crossing

I haven’t been following Pikmin Deluxe news closely, so what extra content is being packed into this “deluxe” version?

Weird since Wii U games is usually 1080p on switch, especially at 30 fps.

So pretty much a straight port of the Wii U game. I'm a bit disapppointed.

@Supadav03 Some new difficulty modes and a prologue and epilogue with Oliver and Louie. They showed some of it off and it is literally just a mission mode with Olimar and Louie.

@Dpishere True but they should have at least aimed for 1080p docked.

I really hope it has a better resolution when it gets released... It's just a WiiU game, it should be able to look as sharp as possible. Docked and portable.

Lol 60 dollars

@Supadav03 @bobzbulder what Bobz said, and co-op mode, all dlc and additional quality of life changes.

I don’t get people’s ‘what a lazy port’ reaction at all when only looking at framerate or resolution...

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/08/pikmin_3_deluxe_officially_announced_for_switch_includes_all_dlc_and_new_content

Why is this $60????

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the game is really CPU-bound.
The Switch is particularly lacking on the CPU and the amount of Pikmin on screen, with their own AI, the back and forth between characters, must be very CPU-hungry.
Ngl though 60fps would've been nice, or at least 1080p.

I think higher resolution could've definitely helped with Pikmin 3. Would've been easier to see small details such as Pikmin themselves, but oh well...

I'll still get this, but Cadence of Hyrule has become my October purchase. This isn't day-1 for me as I'm still busy enough with other great games that this can wait for a few months.

Annndddd... Another cash grab from Nintendo.
It went down hill very fast!

@PcTV Nah, there isn't too much of that going on in Pikmin 3 (especially compared to other Wii U games such as BotW) and the Switch CPU is much faster than the one in Wii U. A more likely combination is problems with scaling up assets and simple lazyness (probably in combination with Covid19 voes). I still hope the full game will be 1080p, but I doubt it. Still one of the best games I've played though, especially in multiplayer. And the extra content is more important to me than graphical fidelity, so I'll most likely get it again.

That's not great...I don't agree with the mentality that this is a lazy port; I mean, they added a lot of content. But why it's not even 1080p confuses me. 30fps, yeah I don't really care about that tbh.

Also, why are people calling this year for Nintendo "lazy"? Overpriced, almost certainly, but besides MOST of the ports and collections (only exception is Xenoblade, since that's from the ground up), their other, newer games, are really good, or at least seem really good. Animal Crossing, Clubhouse Games, Hyrule Warriors 2, Super Mario Bros 35, even the Jump Rope Challenge is charming.

Last year for Nintendo was better, but you could arguably say the same for 2018, but the years before and after had great games.

And because of that, I'm looking forward to 2021.

unless earth blows up...

@Friendly thank you. I never played Pikmin on Wii U (or ever) so I think I’ll download the demo & see if it strikes me. I don’t hate the $60 price tag since it’s a new game to me BUT I’ve always felt Wii U ports should be capped at $40.

It might be the same resolution, but it still looks great!

Tried the demo despite 100%-ing the original and it still looks and plays better than most games.

@Friendly @Supadav03 I wouldn’t call it lazy, but they could have at least gone for a higher resolution. It is noticeable in the demo and the game would have looked so much better in 1080p. The frame rate isn’t an issue. It runs fine and they actually fixed the frame rate tanking when the juice fills up at the end which they didn’t need to do but did anyway so yeah this isn’t a lazy port.

VG tech do great work (they're like DF but without the garbage opinions) so no reason to doubt the accuracy imo

Many in the forums here are in the Nintendo choir. No need to preach to you. For the other 99% of Switch owners that don’t have a Wii U, enjoy Pikmin 3!

@mikegamer Because Nintendo wants that cheese!
Nah, it's because Nintendo value their IPs. It's just like when Disney release their films at full price over & over again (for a limited time too )

A reminder that things aren't lazy just because they don't match up with how you want them.

So... just the Wii U game then. What a tentpole release.

I’d rather have new content for a game I like than a tad higher resolution.

So I don’t mind the resolution much. Always better to have it higher, especially when it’s a leap towards 4k for instance, but putting the energy in more content is in my opinion just more valuable.

@nessisonett It has new content and a co-op mode, so no, not "just the Wii U game"

@mikegamer 90 dollars in canada lol

@Supadav03 i understand what you’re saying, but I don’t get that feeling at all to be honest. Why should a good game that was released on a poor selling system all of a sudden decrease in price over time?

Because it’s a few years older? Why do you have the feeling it should be 40 instead of 60?

I actually don’t get the massive decrease in price over a short period of time for Ubisoft games for instance. Why? Now everybody is waiting for that sale. I will never buy their game full price, it’s always 50% off in 6 months. But why if it’s still very enjoyable?

Haha, Nintendo being cheap as it gets. Nintendolife: 9/10

Pikmin 3 wasnt 1080p on wii u?

Regardless, I thought the demo looked fine on a 1080p tv.

@BranJ0 agree 100% the super mario 3d collection is a total disapointment

@FantasiaWHT because journalist seem to defend this behavior as are Nintendo fans. Thus Nintendo gets away with this.

This is 2020 for Nintendo. I miss the Nintendo of 2017, with magical games, effort and unique, new games.

@Clyde_Radcliffe New content that could have been released as £5 DLC for the Wii U game in 2016. Nothing about this release suggests that it couldn’t have been a Wii U game. Remasters should add features that elevate it beyond the means of its original system, otherwise it’s utterly pointless on release.

I think the NVC podcast pointed out that there are a lot of small quality of life improvements to the controls that makes it easier to play (such as dismissing all Pikmin except for one color).

30 FPS at 720 it sounds like another lazy port, that they spent little to no time optimizing. This is pathetic given the Witcher three exists on the Switch.

Lazy port. I don’t see why anyone would be in a rush to spend £50 on this.

@Cevil I probably will wait for a sale or a used copy, but only because I did have this on Wii U (and I am not lacking for Switch games to play).

Plus, Black Friday is not far away.

Looking forward to a Pikmin theme in T99!

I played the hell out of Pikmin 3 on Wii U and I played the Pikmin 3 Deluxe demo with my son in co-op yesterday. It seemed the same game to me and we had a good time. We will be picking up 2 copies on release day one for each of us and are more than happy to give $60 especially with the new content. Haters are gonna hate.

@nessisonett This is 100% the kind of game I'm going to look for used. Maybe Black Friday, but I'd rather get it secondhand and not have Nintendo get any of my funds for it.

Ok, now... I understand there's a pandemic of sorts going on but this is just sad. There's no way this game shouldn't be 1080p docked and 720p portable. I hope that's just the test demo or whatever. If Nintendo isn't one thing in it's history, it's lazy. Hope they aren't starting🤔

We now live in a world where Nintendo does lazy ports and Eddie Van Halen is dead.

That's just terrible. Nintendo isn't even trying. The game should 100% be 1080p and 60fps when in TV mode. How is this game even justifying its "Deluxe" tag?

@FantasiaWHT Because that is the price Nintendo figures will generate the most profit (same reason for basically all prices of all products).

Well, it does change the value proposition for me. I hope the demo was targeted for completion earlier in the optimization timeline and that it will be more optimized for the full launch.

This is one of a few Nintendo games where the graphics fidelity and beauty of the visuals are key features of the game, so I'd like to see that maximized, for sure.

I have it on Wii U... and it was an interesting cycle of feeling it wasn't the greatest the first time through, but then I played through again and really started to love it.

It's a brand new game to most who never took the plunge on Wii U. It would be nice to offer a discount or some sort of benefit to those who purchased the game once — I guess that is what the bonus features are — and in combination with the portability, it could push us over the edge and pay the full price.

Remains to be seen for me.

Everyone who hasn't played the game (especially any Pikmin game) should give that demo a try though. You could love it, and you likely won't care at all about what I do as a current owner of the Wii U version.

This is not a "lazy port". This game was updated with numerous quality of life features, new story missions, co-op, new difficulty modes, and accessibility options. My only disappointment is the removed touch controls, although that makes some sense because of the differences between the Wii U and Switch's touch screens. This port is Nintendo giving the pikmin franchise the chance it deserves on a console with a large user base. Most pikmin games up to this point have been released on consoles with disappointing sales. (Except for the new play control! Wii releases, and hey pikmin! but......) With all these new features I don't care if it doesn't have 60fps, I can see why people are disappointed but I feel that it doesn't discount the game to "lazy port status". I'm just glad pikmin might finally have a chance to see some well deserved success.

Edit: Changed a few sentences to reflect the releases of pikmin 1 and 2 on wii

@Beep_Beep OK - a lazy "technical" port then

@Beep_Beep
"Every pikmin game up to this point has been released on consoles with disappointing sales"
I've got Pikmin on the Wii - a port with motions controls added.

I will not pay $60 for this for sure. At least the demo helped me understand how the game plays. The graphics seemed quite nice to me, not looking too much into the specs. I was not interested in this game earlier, but now it's on my wishlist. Obviously not a priority purchase, but maybe I'll get it on a discount.

@Strumpan Yes. Time will tell if they're right about it. I think no.

Huh. People saying there is no way it shouldn't be 1080 and 60 fps. I want that, but these Pikmin games have always seemed to push their consoles a bit. Having many animating and independently active objects on the scene has been traditionally taxing and while the Switch is amazing, in terms of processing power it is still a couple generations behind other consoles and subject to some limitations that more power hungry and hotter running chipsets are not. Optimization is not just flipping a switch.

And on the cost, some Wii U games sold amazingly well, but not all of them did. Yet many had full development budgets (and even those were quite obviously cut with some of those late Wii U releases). They just did not recoup from development costs like they are used to at least — Nintendo does like its profits. All that is to say that they are likely feeling the need to make this game really pay for itself because it never did during the first release.

Fantastic game. A must have

@Rambler I believe that pikmin 1 and 2 released on the gamecube and were later ported to the wii. BUT they were ported to the wii toward the end of it's life cycle meaning less people will have picked it up regardless.

@FantasiaWHT
Remember the whining about Super Mario 3D Deluxe, though. Have you noticed how that has been selling?
Just some evidence for your evaluation

@Beep_Beep it has the same resolution and frame rate as the Witcher 3 but it ain't as graphically taxing. If Nintendo doesn't at least optimize the game and get it to 1080p Nintendo is just being lazy and overcharging. I doubt anyone would have much of an issue if any if it was for $40 with 30 fps and 720p.

@FantasiaWHT We won't have data on how much it would have sold at a lower price, so I don't really think time will tell. Nintendo's usual strategy is also to release (almost) everything at full price, to signal that their products are premium regardless of age. Lowering the price of one game will lower the expected price of other games, so it is in their interest to keep up the prices even in the specific cases where a lower price would be more profitable in the short run.

I didn't think I would notice the jaggies when I docked it... But man I was wrong.

@graysoncharles I doubt it. I bet they just optimized it for one resolution and since co-op demands the most they went with the resolution that will work with that. It’s a terrible effort in terms of graphical optimization. Hopefully the release is better.

Lol game looks good on the demo I got it preordered.i can careless about others opinions on games.been that way since the nes in the 80s

@graysoncharles it does look good but it could have been better. Are you saying the new co-op doesn’t add more cpu load on it? It must. They optimized it to most demanding scenario which is co-op. The original engine probably doesn’t support dynamic scaling which is needed to properly optimize the game graphically.

I expected 60fps and 1080p docked/720p handheld like MK8dx. I don't see how this can be the state of the final product considering the Switch is about 3 times more powerful than the Wii U.

Btw while I’m critical of this port, and wish they had added dynamic resolution scaling (if the demo is the same as the release) I really hate calling it lazy porting. It’s not lazy. It is less expensive. “What a cheap port” would be far more accurate.

I downloaded the demo and vomitted.... but there you go.... after all the praise you gave the underwhelming Super Mario 3D All Stars, you do not deserver anything better .... what you reap is what you sow

@Rambler
Ah, that's true. I forgot about the "new play control!" releases. But either way they had less major improvements than pikmin 3 deluxe. It's a shame more people didn't notice these rereleases though, I mean I forgot about them and I love pikmin. 😂

720p and 30 fps for a seven-year old port in 2020.. Jesus wept.

@VexingInsanity
I was going to agree with you, but apparently Pikmin new control or whatever it's called came out for the Wii in 2008, and the Wii was launched in 2006. Whether that was seen as a big launch for the Wii, I have no idea , Wikipedia doesn't say.

@lighteningbolt79 It's either overpriced, or a lazy port for $60. It's not even a new game, so full price is already asking quite a lot for a 7 year old game. The improvements are minimal, the new "story" content are just repurposed challenge missions. Hardly comparable to the main campaign.

Demo seems good so far. I've not played a Pikmin game in about 10 years, but it seemed very familiar straight away, which is a good thing.
It plays fine, but I am disappointed that the graphics are not sharper. There's also a bit in a demo video with a lemon that looks really off.

WRT the "deluxe" suffix - I'm sure that this point has been made multiple times (poss in this thread), if most people haven't played it (as the Wii U actually didn't have any owners at all), is the highlighting of all the additional stuff academic? For the price you are not getting all that stuff as a bonus, so in one sense it just has a lot of content and modern controls.

I already played and beat this on Wii U, so it's a pass for me, much like New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe. Great game, but even if there was a lot of extra content, I'd probably pass. Good for people that haven't played it yet though.

@Rambler It was pretty exciting back then when those re-releases came out for Wii. They didn't really make a big deal out of it though, from what I remember.

Are you ***** kidding me? These are the specs that this 7 year old game is running at.... Nintendo can't seem to give a ***** these days considering it will sell regardless of how much effort they put in.

That is an absolutely beautiful picture

Wait... you tell me that Mario Kart 8 on Switch which is a Wii U port does run at 1080p 60 docked and 720p 60 docked and they even solved the frameskipping issue the Wii U had... but Pikmin 3 which is a Wii U port needs to run at 576p 30 in portable for some reason?

WHY?!

@Rambler I could be wrong. I didn't do any research, just based on something I was told. More likely you're right.

@Rayquaza2510 Pikmin has more on screen at once when you've rounded up say 100 Pikmin. Presumably Nintendo felt a stable 30fps was better than an unstable 60fps.

I don't know why people are making out like 60fps is important in a game like Pikmin anyway! It's hardly a fast paced action game or something.

Other companies poor graphics equate to poor optimization and lazyness with some EA or Activision sucks and shouldn't even be allowed to publish games on the switch comments... Nintendos poor graphics defended by the faithful "I wouldn't call it lazy."

WOW no 30 fps dam Mario kart 8 even got a 60fps upgrade, hope they update.

@Kimyonaakuma How would you compare gameplay between the two versions. I really like how the gamepad was used on the original.

@Supadav03 All Wii U DLC included as standard, additional Olimar + Louie prologue and epilogue content, a few tweaks to the controls, a hard mode, possibly other stuff I’m not aware of.

@RandomNerds It’s different on account of the lack of the second screen but I felt much the same playing the switch demo as I did with Wii U in 2013. The essence of it is quite unaffected.

My Vita can run games in 544p 60fps, which is slightly lower in resolution, is better FPS wise. And that’s from 2012, Switch is 2017!

I could MAYBE see 720p a locked 30fps when playing coop/multiplayer. Maybe. But across the board, docked in general? There are far more taxing games running at 1080p 30fps or better in docked. That is why I have no problem called this a cheap port. Hell... Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Smash run at 1080p 60fps docked, for crap's sake. And we should be looking at 720p, 30 handheld too. I'm tired of giving Nintendo a pass for phoning games in. Especially since this is the closest thing we're getting to a AAA/1st party holiday release.

It's Pikmin and as such, the game itself is fun and compelling. But given the quality of this port and the fact that the DLC was altogether around $10, and there's no touch screen support (which I quite enjoyed on the Wii U, but would be perfect for a true portable), the pricing seems off. $50 would be generous, but I'd pay given the new content and coop adventure. But that extra $10 stings when you think what should have been.

Now of course I'll wait for real confirmation and possibly the inevitable Digital Foundry breakdown before passing, but I won't be preordering.

How many people on here are like myself and never actually paid for Pikmin3? I, personally, got it free as part of the Mario Kart 8 promotion Nintendo did at the time... register that game and get another game free. My son and I put many, many hours in the Wii U version, it’s a special game for us, and we’ve both LOVED playing it on Switch, courtesy of the free demo.

lol the meltdowns here are delicious.

After the treehouse footage, I'm definitely going to double dip. The extra content, new difficulty mode and being able to play this game portably make this a must have. As with any game I play, as long as the frame rate isn't a total disaster, I'm fine with it.

I’ve got to admit, those resolution figures are a little disappointing. Particular when the game runs at just 30fps

@Beep_Beep pikmin 1 & 2 were on the Wii, which had great sales numbers, tho.

I've never played a pikmin game on console. The horrible 3ds game (way too easy & no 3d...the reason the handheld was called 3ds) shouldn't even be a pikmin game, most people i know say. I wish it were cheaper, ofc, but I'll probably wait for a sale anyways, as i never pay full price for any game, unless i can't wait to play it. I'll definitely grab this one eventually, but since i really don't want to buy a new micro sd card, I'll probably look for the physical version on cheapassgamer dot com via trade or on sale somewhere.

This is lazy and lame.

Also, Pikmin 3 is only $20 on Wii U. It makes no sense charging Switch owners extra 40 just for a new chapter that could've been sold for $5 back in the day.

@Brianst0rm "Also, Pikmin 3 is only $20 on Wii U."

Yeah, because that version is years old. It became a Nintendo Selects release after being OOP for some time.

New port, new console, extra features. Of course it should cost more than bargain bin pricing.

Sooo, in terms of features:

-All DLC (old content)
-Co-Op (feature that could be patched in, look at Untitled Goose Game, a much cheaper game)
-Olimar and Louie content (reportedly repurposed mission mode?)
-QoL such as control changes and tweaks to whistle (would be patched in for free, in fact, Nintendo has previously added additional control methods on NSMBU on Wii U, and on Pikmin 3 on Wii U)
-Harder difficulty (normally patched in for free in other games, Marvel's Spider-Man for example)
-No upgrade on resolution (at least based on demo, final release could be different).

When you take the above into account, it becomes very hard to be excited about this, especially if you played this before on Wii U.

That said, the game itself is great, and for those who have not played before who are willing to pay (in my personal opinion), a very high price to play this, I hope you enjoy and find an opportunity to play the first two as well.

Sounds like a third party port on a Nintendo system. Late, full price and not taking advantage of the console's power and features.

@VexingInsanity
I was going to try to appear effortlessly knowledgeable, by cheating with Wikipedia, but it threw up that odd bit of info.
I came to the Wii late on, so wasn't aware when games were released for it (except Skyward Sword!), but it does seem odd that there wasn't a Wii-exckusive Pikmin released for it

@Dpishere 30fps in any game is inexcusable

@graysoncharles moving from 59 to 60fps and from 720p to 1080p was an awesome upgrade!

@Snatcher Mario Kart 8 runs at 60fps on Wii U

Wow. I hope Nintendo bumps these numbers. That terrible.

Not bothered by 30fps for what is essentially a really chill RTS game, but 720p is a baffling choice. At this point 1080p really should be standard for every game, especially with other consoles climbing up to 4K.

It seems Nintendo have become very arrogant with regards to thinking they can just do lazy crap and people will pay anything for it. Seems like they've been taking tips from EA. I'm done supporting them with ports. Put out new games or my money goes elsewhere

Xbox one x upres lots of 360 and og xbox games to 4k for free. Series x will upgrade xbox one dynamic resolution games to 4k for free. Here we are paying for a seven year old port full price with no visual upgrades. Yet there are people here whom are microsoft haters defending nintendo and taking great offense to the term "lazy".

Sub 1080/720 is always disappointing, especially for a First Party title, but the docked resolution is the same as it was on the Wii U.

@Moshugan perhaps we should assume pikman 4 will be sub 720p.

Gonna buy it anyway because I never played the original. The demo co-op sold me on it completely.

@NinjaWaddleDee people like you are the reason nintendo doesn't care and are lazy.

@EVIL-C oh c'mon let's not go there, there's a limit.

those are extremely anti consumer practices, you just can't defend a game costing 3x than it did in a previous generation hardware.

@Wavey84 Shhh we don't need a switch pro. Publishers simply aren't optimizing their games and are lazy. Oh wait a second this is a nintendo published game. Let me walk that back. I wouldn't call them lazy but I can't find another sugar coating word to use.

Nintendo under the new president is becoming extremely complacent. Rarely is the extra content and features worthy enough of a double dip, they're just token gestures. And certainly not ones that justify a full price tag. Xenoblade Definitive Edition did it right, but the first party ports are just easy cash grabs.

@The_Flume I just looked it up YA I sound stupid I'm going to delet it, it sound super dumb thanks for telling me.

@Kitoro THE MAJORITY OF GAMES ARE 30FPS, AND HONESTLY, I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT 30FPS. AND HONESTLY I DON'T EVEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 30FPS AND 60FPS

@Brianst0rm Pikmin 3 released in 2013 at full price. The Switch port is also full price, and is not "3x the price" of the original.

If you think a big budget, remastered title is going to be ported to a new machine, with new content, and only cost maybe $20-30USD on the new device on release day, lol okay.... 😋 The only example I can think of that was was Darksiders: Warmastered Edition.

I'll tell you a secret about companies, now get ready: They want to maximize their profits. 😱

@Jack_Goetz A president don't have anything to do with development. Stop with this thinking that a president is responsible for an entire company. It was dumb with Iwata and it is now. A company is much more than that with tons of employees for all of those functions.

@BranJ0 Yeah, that's probably why Nintendo released ACNH, Paper Mario Origami King, Clubhouse Games, Hyrule Warriors Calamity of Age and Mario Kart Live. lol You all can be crying on the internet but Nintendo don't care about any of you, they care about the overall market, like any company that is managed by any competent businessman.

@EVIL-C pretty sure Need For Speed Hot Pursuit from that evil company EA is being rereleased with a higher resolution and all the DLC at a lower price.

Id rather that then the same game being ported at the same price with a little extra content. We have no idea how extra this content is. Funky Kong mode? Toadette?

Wii U port at 576p on Lite, what a shame.

@koekiemonster Oh my, you miss the magical of 2017? It's as if that this "magic" needs time to be done and those development teams are developing new games in that mean time, be it for Switch like Production Group 4 with BOTW2, or for future platforms, like 3D Mario. Not every team has the same quality in staff, ideas, resources and tons of stuff that BOTW, Odyssey and Splatoon 2 get (because it's only those that you all mention anyway, even though more launched). So not everything will be on your taste in video games, not will be on the same franchises you like, genres, budget, and so on. Things cater to different people.

Learn how Nintendo is structured internally by their division, subsidiaries and by their contractors and someday you'll understand why you're getting different experiences over the years.

@sixrings Yep, that is also true. Higher res, albiet the same framerate on Switch as it had on PS360. Yet Burnout was 60fps... 🤔

If we're going to single out every studio and every remaster that comes out, what they have/don't have, and for how much, we'll be here for 6 months. Pikmin 3 was a wonderfully fun game, worthy of a second shot, especially as most switch owners didn't have a Wii U.

@Nemesis666 then give it more time instead of talking down to people with your nintendo business 101 course. My hope is nintendo won't be rewarded for this and some people on youtube and gaming sites call this out appropriately the way fifa 2021 legacy edition is.

@EVIL-C pikman 3 was a wonderfully fun game, worthy of the time and resources needed to make a 1080p port.

@Moonlessky Development is too difficult for anybody to be lazy, but don't let that stop you from having a hot take.

I swear it boggles my mind how much Nintendo fans hate Nintendo.

@sixrings I will reserve final judgment until someone can confirm it from the retail version, not a demo.

It looks rough in front of a 4K tv but beautiful on the switch screen

@JimmySpades it really is an odd phenomenon isn’t it?

While I won’t defend the quality, this port exists to give everyone else a chance to play this game.

@JimmySpades there's a thin line between love and hate. My wife might love me 90% of the time but she doesn't ignore the 10% I royally f up. That's what's happening here. Because of Nintendos good track record people have high expectations. When those expectations aren't met, and this considerably falls short, people are going to let others know their feelings. Federation force, amiibo festival, pikman 3 720p port.

@AJDarkstar Don’t know how I didn’t catch that. It must have been auto correct

@sixrings My "business nintendo 101" is sufficient enough to know that Nintendolife, youtube and twitter aren't representatives of the gaming market. It's shown every year how those communities are a minority. MTX, Fifa, COD, Pokemon Sword and SHield, tons of controversies, EA and Activision being the biggest third party, everything that is hated on here has different results on the reality of the market.

@JimmySpades bold of you to assume that I "hate nintendo" just from my comment. I just called it like I saw it, a lazy effort. I expect better quality and hold nintendo to a higher standard than the other developer's because nintendo games are hella expensive. The games almost never go on sale and when they do its just a 30% discount at most.

@Bmartin001 Not worth it

@Nemesis666 thanks for explaining it again. I would never have figured it out without this thread and your great insights. Won't change the fact plenty won't be happy and like you suggest won't change the fact that nintendo won't care because people will buy it anyways.

The thing is with any relationship people can accept imperfections now and again. But nintendo is really walking a fine line. Between joy con drift, no voice chat, lag online, basic ports versus other systems backward compatibility their pride could come before the fall.

Great game but if you had it on Wii U then there is zero point getting this. That said, most Switch users never had a Wii U. On the other hand, it looks emulated not upgraded

This may have been a different story If we didn’t have a pandemic on our hands but if this truly is the specs for this game then it is leaving something to be desired. This shouldn’t be a $60 title if it’s in this state.

@HotGoomba most games have uncapped framerates. a bare minimum is 60fps in 2020.

@jcboyer515 yes im aware and i do not agree with it. it is still inexcusable. both pikmin 3 and persona 5 are great games but people defending 30fps is ridiculous. anyone who thinks 30fps is good needs to be checked out.

@HotGoomba i forgot to say but if you cannot see a difference you should go to an optometrist and get that checked up because that's not normal.

@Wavey84 @Kitoro I meant barely. I can tell that 60fps is smoother, I know the difference. If you put them side to side, I'll know the difference. 60fps is obviously better. And I DID have an outdated tv until I updated it months ago.

However, it isn't big enough of a difference for people to make a huge deal about it. Most games on the PS4, Xbox One, One S, PS4 Pro, Switch, EVEN the Xbox One X (the most powerful console until next-gen comes) are at 30fps. The last thing I worry about (unless it's awful) is the frame rate. I kinda get graphics, although I think most people take it far, but frame rate barely affects most games.

If it's a heavily intense game, don't expect it to be 60fps, especially on the Switch. In this case, Pikmin 3, I do think that it could definitely be 60fps.

But I HATE it when people put the frame rate in the highest regard. I think that gameplay is more important personally. But if you disagree, that's ok. Have a great week!

@Kitoro too be fair, I didn't really tell much difference until I got a new TV recently, but I am still completely fine with 30fps. Obviously, I prefer 60fps, but on the Switch, the game might be too intense (not in this case tho. Pikmin 3 has little excuse), and the same is true on basically every other system.

60fps is the last thing I worry about in a game to be honest. If the game is fun, well made, looks visually good or interesting, or is just in a franchise I like, those are selling points to me. I don't go crazy excited when I see 60fps anymore. I'm fine with 30fps.

Maybe it's because I do frame-by-frame animation and I'm more used to lower frame rates, maybe it's because most of the games I play are at 30fps, maybe I see more valuable elsewhere, or maybe it makes a game more stylized. Maybe I would rather have a 4K image than a 60fps picture.

Idk, but after reading my last comment, I noticed that I came off as a little rude, so I respect your opinion.

@Wavey84 Personally, I've never had much problems with 30fps tbh. 60fps might make a game BETTER for me, but not by a huge significant amount.

But I don't know, maybe it's just my stupid opinion.

@jcboyer515 we have the technology for 60fps framerates, so why don't we use it? Games can still be great without a 60fps framerate, but it does bring the experience down substantially.

@HotGoomba im fine with you being rude lol but I see no reasonable excuse for a game like pikmin 3 to be running at 30fps 576p handheld. It just makes 0 sense.

@Kitoro Ok, I'll give you that, Pikmin really has no excuse but not every game can have a good resolution AND a good frame rate because the game could be too intense.

Mario 3D All Stars: fool me once, shame on you Nintendo.

Pikmin 3: fool me twice, shame on me, but not this time. $60?? Please.

@Wavey84 Yeah, I might not be a sucker for FPS, but I'm interested in how 120fps will be like. Who knows? It could be the next chapter of gaming. Once 8K 120fps TVs lower in price that is.

Believe it or not: Pikmin 3 is more CPU intensive than Zelda:BotW. If you ran these 2 games on the Wii U emulator, you can see the CPU utilization is higher for Pikmin.

Not so sure what makes this a DELUXE version over the WiiU one.
P3 was like one of the very few WiiU games that made quite some nice use of the Gamepad. It was also a pretty weird feeling to play this game with Wiimote&Nunchuck in P2-mode and have the Gamepad like a personal assistant lying next to you but I also do remember that the map in P3 was unlike other WiiU games really added value to have on the Gamepad. Gotta play this game again.

As I remember P3 being among the best WiiU games and just this Pandora's Box of creativity, I was all in to just doubledip but realizing how much they had to cut in order to run it on the Switch makes me save my money and keep my WiiU.

@Nemesis666 that is not a nice response.

Nintendo is letting external developers use their IP. I think this should have been done way more, but primarily let them use the IP in their original genre. Or Nintendo should have bought more studios.

Also, I know how Nintendo works, but that still makes me miss the kind of output and diversity they had in 2017. Plus, studios like Retro had some support work for Switch titles but no output.

If Nintendo isn’t capable of keeping up, maybe they should expand like Sony and MS did last few years? Or they should have helped studios like Alphadreams and Cing, but they let them die.

Output could be better. As a former WiiU-owner who doesn’t like to pay 60 for their ports it is kinda meh...

Look I'm not a 30fps snob, that's fine - but not running at 1080 docked when the game is 7 years old? That's pathetic and a sign of lazy development. The visuals have barely been upgraded, there's no excuse for such poor performance

So what are the improvements over wii u? This seems like a lazy low effort port. Expected 1080p when docked.

Aaaaannnnd cue the whingers...

Nintendo being absolutely disgusting again lol. 720p and 30fps(!!!) in 2020. Not even that when handheld.

On a machine that could run this at 1080p 60fps no sweat. Sigh!

No way in hell I'm rewarding them with money for this.

@Ventilator im pretty sure the only game that ran at 1080p was smash bros on WII U. But yes this should have been 1080 p on switch.

@Realmr420 Zelda TPP were 1080p on Wii U too.

@arabiansanchez Cool, thanks for the reply.

I expect better bonus content: I would buy it if it contained Pikmin Trilogy HD or at least Hey! Pikmin HD.

I like the new co-op mode, but I have the game on Wii U (incl. all the boring DLC missions), so no need to buy this again with so little extras.

@KryptoniteKrunch I'm loving this....but I think you knew that anyway - makes my dull day sitting at a desk a bit more enjoyable.

So basically the same as on Wii U.

@FantasiaWHT why are yearly sports lootbox simulators $60????

@Wavey84 I actually think that HDR looks better in most cases, but I see where you're coming from. 120fps will look good too. I think that they shouldn't go further than that, because I think that's all the human eye can see (correct me if I'm wrong) 4K looks really good, but I play Spyro Reignited Trilogy on the Switch when I have two more powerful systems that can run it better, do you think I care that much about resolution? And I agree, 8K is kinda useless unless they think of something that can work really well with it like VR. Speaking of which...

I am really interested in VR too. That's one place were I think frame rate is a lot more important. If a VR headset is running at 30hz, you might as well throw up. VR was the reason I even got a PS4 Pro honestly. I especially think that Nintendo should take it more seriously, but who knows? Maybe they're working on a standalone VR headset or a handheld that supports VR.

@graysoncharles Once again someone mistakes frequency with processing power. 350 GFLOPS for the Wii u and 1 TFLOPS for the Switch.

Not a game I care about, feel bad for anyone who wants this though.

@Dpishere Fine, but those resolutions, especially in portable mode, are unacceptable. Was gonna get day 1, but now... maybe I’ll get to it... eventually.

Really seems lazy... great game, but come on Nintendo, I used to always be so impressed with your flagship IP games...

@FantasiaWHT Same. This should have been 1080p, and I might get this used. (But might buy new because it does right what 3D-Allstars and LM3 did wrong.

I’m going to pick up Luigi’s Mansion 3 used because I don’t want want to support Nintendo not allowing for legacy control options. Like if you make an entirely new IP that’s one thing, but damn it, give people who have been playing your Marios and Zeldas for decades the same controls they’ve always had!

@aaronsullivan Agreed that the visuals are a major part of the appeal. And to have them at 720p?? Seriously? It looks barely passable on my 1080p TV, so I can only imagine the blur when played on a 4K TV...

NINTENDO! ...TRY HARDER!!!

(We really need to let them know this is important. This community needs to start asking on their official Twitter(s) what’s going on with Pikmin 3.)

@aaronsullivan That’s a good point... this game probably barely broke even, or maybe even lost money. Every dollar spent optimizing is putting them further in the red... still, I say screw all that. Preserve that game with with better assets and 1080p. This is your valuable IP, Nintendo, treat it with some class! (And thanks for what you DID add.)

@NinjaWaddleDee Who’d you get to play it with you?

I don't mind 30 fps if this isn't a racer or combat-oriented game but the resolution... Man, I know the Switches mobile chipset is weak, particularly in the CPU department (although City Skyline and Fire Emblem work well enough and those games do stress the CPU) this still should have been 720p/1080p release.

If old WiiU ports is anything to go by (DKCTF, NSMBDX, and Cap Toad) then this is clearly a poor job. Getting W101 vibes here. Will skip if left unpatched.

Also, the price is ok. If this should be 40$ then BotW and Oddysey should be 100$. It is a fair price IMO as they had to redo the whole thing from a PowerPC architecture and make it work on ARM.

@BlubberWhale girlfriend.

@EVIL-C both Pikmin and DKCTF released at 49.99

stop defending Nintendo and their anti-consumer practices.

@aaronsullivan That’s a good point... this game probably barely broke even, or wasn’t really worth the meager profit. They’re probably trying hard not to spend, and to make it count where they are spending, i.e. new content. That does make sense, but doesn’t mean I as a consumer and longtime fan have to be completely satisfied with an unpolished game (graphically).

In most cases, I’m a framerate over resolution guy, but I would have happily accepted 30fps in this case if it meant a gloriously crisp 1080p Pikmin world to experience.

@NinjaWaddleDee Ah, one of those. I heard about those online.

@Brianst0rm Yes, aaaannnndd...? DKC:TF was $50 USD/$55 CAD, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamerevolution.com/news/374481-donkey-kong-country-tropical-freeze-switch-cost-wii-u-launch-price%3famp

but Pikmin 3 was $60 in both US and CAD. https://www.redflagdeals.com/deal/video-games/nintendo-wii-u-32gb-pikmin-3-bundle-black-349-99/

So let's see here: re-releasing a classic game on new hardware, for a new generation, is somehow anti-consumer...? 🤔

I'll tell you something that's really anti-consumer. The PS4 DS4 controller is not compatible with native PS5 games. However, the Series X is not only BWC with XBO controllers, the XSX controller will work with the older XBO!

Stop being an entitled, whiny fool. If $10 is the hill you're going to die on, perhaps don't prioritize gaming.

@aaronsullivan @Beep_Beep Thank you both for your posts. You speak for me also. I will not be buying Pikmin 3 any time soon but I am considering it once I complete the original on my GameCube. Questions for you:

• In playing the demo (entirely handheld so far), I actually do find myself wishing that both the graphics and the resolution were superior. The ground textures, in my opinion, are not all they should be in a game with this "ant-man" conceit, and I feel like a battlefield strategy game should have higher resolution. Do you find that this is an issue later in the game?
• Why do you suppose Nintendo did away with stylus touch controls on the Switch? I am only beginning to realize how effective they can be in the right games - do you feel it would have helped to have that here, for this game at least?

30fps in any game is inexcusable

@Kitoro I assume your hands are stained with grease from all the hours you spend in the coding pit, writing stuff in assembler and weaving GPU threads like a spider? Try again, troll.

Yeah, I might not be a sucker for FPS, but I'm interested in how 120fps will be like. Who knows?

@HotGoomba Racing games at 120+ Hz on my PC monitor are pretty nice. For a long time, the fleetest game I owned was F-Zero GX, but the difference between 120 and 60 Hz was quite noticeable after playing on the PC. Even so - there is so very much beyond pure countable metrics in terms of game quality, as you know.

If we were discussing a racing game, 30 FPS would be unacceptable, but, er... these are Pikmin we are discussing... not Capt. Falcon and Samurai Goroh in Red Canyon

@COVIDberry lol

And yeah, I agree with you. 30fps isn't great for racing games, but for most other genres, it's not bad at all.

@COVIDberry ?

@EVIL-C I have to agree with you about the tone (and even content) of many... er... critiques in this thread.

Still I cannot fault people for complaining when the price of a first-party Switch port is so much higher than the original Wii U release. I recognize that Nintendo was faring poorly when they released Tropical Freeze, but that isn't our problem to fix. At $55, TF is good value! At $80, a faster-loading TF with Funky Mode is not a steal. Does it compare to Skyrim, BOTW, Dragon Quest 11 or Mario Odyssey in terms of high-value playtime? Though TF is excellent, not so in my opinion.

I don't think we should be paying a premium for direct ports at all. At the least, would you agree that 1:1 ports - not remakes, but ports - should not be more expensive than the original release?

@COVIDberry

• I can definitely understand where you're coming from with your point about the ground textures. Many of them do look outdated, this doesn't always bother me but I can see why for some people it would distract from the game. From what I can remember, the resolution on the original release wasn't really a problem. This might have been helped with the fact that a lot of important objects and characters in the game are color coded with vibrant colors to stand out from each other and the environment. We don't know for sure how much the resolution will affect the late game until we get the full version later this month.
• The stylus controls on the Wii U were my definitive way to play Pikmin. It is a disappointment they were taken out, but I can understand the reasoning. The Wii U gamepad had a resistive touchscreen designed to be used with an included stylus, while the Switch has a capacitive touchscreen designed to be used with your finger. This makes the Switch touchscreen worse for precise movements such as throwing Pikmin. Although it would have been nice to keep the option there for those who wanted to use it.

@AshleyGamer64 I'm going to spite them and get it on sale or used, whichever's cheaper lol

Many people here seem to not understand, that there is a lot of additional content that warrants a 60$ pricetag. A prologue and epilogue, two new difficulty modes, local co-op and different other smaller things like the piklopedia and a lock-on system. It's the Wii U port with the most new content since Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

@BTB20 I mostly agree, just want to add that Captain Toad added a pretty significant amount of new content, even if some of it was paid. (And then there’s the sequels that are basically large expansions... but we don’t need to acknowledge those lol.)