3D Realms' Ion Fury Brings Old-School FPS To Switch Next Month

Is this the one with the disgruntled employee that put in the horrible horrible comments inside the game? Give them their due, they quickly removed the material but IIRC there was a massive increase in negative reviews after they removed it, with the censorship crowd picking the wrong battles as usual. It looked like a sorta fun game though, old school shooters scratch a certain itch.

Edit: Yeah, checked out the devs. They’re definitely not getting my money. After Discord messages like that leak, I just don’t get why I’d give them the time of day.

@Zuljaras Honestly, it’s not about the game, which does look pretty fun. I just don’t want my money going to a developer that thinks using slurs against people like me is OK. It’s my money, I can do with it what I want.

I've been waiting to hear about this. I love old school FPS games.

This will be great next-gen after playing both DOOMs! Switch is is so awesome with all the games being released. I wish there is a parallel universe with some sort of time freeze pause so you can play while not wasting your life.

I'll skip the physical PC version as it will be Steam locked, which is so stupid when I can download it DRM free from GOG.

Day one for the Switch version. I never thought I'd see a 3D Realms game on a Nintendo console again. The last one, from memory, was the disastrous (and unfinished) Duke Nukem game that released (with no fanfare) on the original DS. A more sophisticated PSP version was cancelled.

Duke Nukem Advance back in the day was excellent though.

@Zuljaras What’s the appropriate place then? Literally if you google the game, there’s loads of articles about the whole fiasco. That’s the only reason I’d even heard of the game and this is a gaming site.

@Kulhy don’t know about you, but I’ve got plenty of time during this covid virus 😉

Yeah! I got my physical copy pre-ordered. Hopefully all these retro FPS games get physical releases as well!🙌🏼

Sweet I've been following this game! It looks awesome! I'll be getting the physical version when it comes out.

@nessisonett well if they removed it they probably removed the worker also so your money will not be going to them.

would gladly take a duke 3d port over this, cmon, weve already got the dooms
@Zuljaras well, that controversy was covered by game informer, gamesindustry, polygon, pcgamer, and eurogamer, so i dont know what you're on about with bringing up only social media

I don't care about any controversy, I'm interested in the game using the Build engine, pretty oldschool stuff. I hope we'll see Duke 3D as well one day (I know, Gearbox owns the rights, not 3D Realms)

@Dirty0814 They actually backtracked on the promise to remove the material. That’s why I looked into it and there’s honestly pages and pages of messages leaked from their dev Discord with bottom of the barrel comments saying parents of trans people don’t deserve to be parents and that they’re ‘mutilating themselves’. It’s not a fun read in the slightest and I think it’s important to make people aware of this stuff because it’s just not on.

@Zuljaras calling Game Informer of all things a clickbait site is a new one
besides, where is the difference between those sites and this one? nintendolife sure has reported on adjacent controversy before; if ion fury had been on switch before that broke, i'm willing to bet it'd be in an article

@Zuljaras Why are you trying so hard to bury this? I’m surprised the article didn’t mention it given how big it blew up at the time but it was a while back. Every other big gaming news site has written articles about it and now it’s releasing on Switch, it’s absolutely relevant to the coverage of the game.

Well, I don't know about you guys, but normally, I'd like to see a trailer, or at least some pictures, so I suppose this will come in handy for those still curious or not in the know about this game:

@somebread
The anniversary edition of Duke Nukem 3D was rated by the ESRB back in October for Switch.

Unless if it got cancelled, I expect it to be announced and released soon (possibly in a Nintendo Direct?).

Is it easy to get lost in this game like those oldschool FPSs tend to? Or did they modernize that aspect of it.

@ThanosReXXX appreciate the video.
I'll wait for that sweet physical release!

@Zuljaras You’re the same person who proposed an ‘all gay Animal Crossing for you lot’ so yeah, a trend I saw with your posts is that you tend to talk about things you actually don’t understand. Do you agree with the devs comments? Do you not see why some people might feel entirely disgusted by them? For them to agree that they were in the wrong, and then backtrack after they were review bombed by bigots, that’s unforgivable. I hope more people see these comments and think about what message rewarding this behaviour sends out.

@nessisonett

There are no "horrible comments" in the game or any "disgruntled employees".

There's a single joke in the game where a bottle of soap says "Ogay" on it (as a pun on Olay). That's literally all there is. It's completely trivial nonsense.

A group of activists/maniacs on Resetera simply learned that some of the devs had opinions they disliked, so they deliberately tried to turn it into a scandal in order to ruin the game and the developer's reputations. The audience overwhemingly sided with the developer and told them not to remove anything, which they mostly didn't.

That's all that happened.

@Zuljaras @nessisonett Personally, I'd want to know if I was about to hand my money to pos, good game or not. Comments are a great place to highlight wrongdoings, and let the reader google the rest. Pushing this stuff into a corner is pretty irresponsible, and just enabling terrible behavior. Let all the info out, and then folks can choose on their own.

@dewokkel It's kinda off-topic but — well COVID-19 is not holiday, world is going to change a lot. Wise people should use this time to get ready. Yeah some people will stay intact, but lot of industries as well as our lives will need to adapt and transform.

@Zuljaras have to agree with you on this. I come to sites like this looking for gaming news and not to be preached to on trans issues etc if I wanted to hear all of that I would read about it on a site that is aimed at raising awareness of such issues. Fair play to NL for focusing on the game and not the controversy.

@Zuljaras i dont think "media does not exist in a vacuum" is a terribly hard concept but hey, whatever

@Darlinfan

The problem is the claim that you don't want to be "persecuted or harassed", very quickly morphs into "I have a right to control everyone's opinions". Those are 2 very different positions.

It's why it's important to distinguish between words and actions. Did someone actually do something to hurt you? Or did they just speak words, that you're free to ignore.

This is really good news. But where the heck is Duke? Wasn't it rated like well over a year ago? Please tell me there's news about Duke 3D??

@Zuljaras

Have you ever met a vegan before who doesn't remind you of the fact they are vegan every chance they get? No...no one has.

Same goes for identity politics and this dude.

Best to just ignore it, like everyone outside of Twitter and a handful of websites do. You are both helping to turn this comment section into exactly what you hate, so if you don't like it, just don't engage it and let it fizzle out.

@Darlinfan

Sure. I agree. But the controversy here was due to activists on resetera getting offended at some developer's opinions on transgenderism, that were expressed in private. The developers didn't do anything to anyone. They simply expressed an opinion in private.

@DTfeartheBEARD You're welcome.

@Kulhy I agree is not a holiday and thing will change a lot, but not having time is a bad excuse at this moment

cannot wait for this. must of been following it's progress for a couple of years now. My physical pre-order says 15th of may, not June.

@Silly_G Bulletstorm Duke edition is another fantastic game on the switch. Currently on my fifth play through.

@Darlinfan

Okay, maybe I was wrong about vegans. Let me revise my statement...

"Have you ever met someone who has worked 10 years in a pizza shop before who doesn't remind you of the fact they worked in a pizza shop for 10 years every chance they get? No...no one has."

That's now factually 100% true, based on my sole experience.

I want this but I need to budget carefully.

This game looks awesome. Great addition to the NS library.

I can't support this game either, looked cool, but rather spend my hard earned money on other things. Thanks for shining light on the subject guys.

I see they even tried to cover it all up and say it was taken out of context. This company is a disgrace.

This is easily the worst comment section I´ve seen in any Nintendolife article.

@Zuljaras The game does look awesome. Cant wait to preorder my physical as well!

I remember seeing footage of this a while back, great to see it's releasing soon on the Switch.... If it's good I hope to pick this up.

Can’t find the US physical preorder 🤔

@nessisonett Nobody cares, dude.

NintendoLife: "So we're going to try and cover a game's release sans the traditional controversy skim we do at times."

NL Community: ahem

Reminder that there are people that refuse to buy/play this amazing game because theres a bottle of soap called "OGAY" in the bathrooms.

And because of common opinions that hundreds of millions of people share were expressed in a discord channel.

@enda_o They had more hate speech then just one. They also tried to cover it all up. This company is scum of the earth. A true disgrace to gaming.

They have now aplogized for all the hate speech and promised to changed the companies policy. Yet only after they tried to cover it up.

@Paraka you mean the neogaf2 part of NLife community. Also known as the same sjw ilk who scream 'leave trans britney alone' every other week and pretend to boycott a game they were never even interested in because it doesn't feature gender neutral rainbows.

@mesome713 There was no hate speech. I don't think you even know what hate speech means.

It doesn't mean "speech that offends me".

They had perfectly regular opinions anyone is entitled to and certain "groups" of people who are offended at literally everything got offended and caused a huge fuss like the often do.

They never covered anything up. They just decided to make it a rule to not discuss politics on discord anymore. Which is fine. Most places do that.

Seems a bit pricy

@enda_o Even the company agrees it was hate speech. Sorry mate, your on your own. Good luck with your poor opinions in life. And thank goodness they were fired for their hatespeech. These scum should be in jail.

@RileyR - Technically, where this topic ever skirts a situation that was socially conscious, everyone responds to it in this very fashion. Both "sides" are tragically at fault for this.

When Ion Fury came out with this, we saw the same group now respond in kind. The counter culture claims how a non-issue it is. Rinse, wash, repeat.

However, when Tokyo Mirage Sessions came out, the group that was decrying censorship were the first to drag the topic into the mud. And those who were resistant to Ion Fury's content came out to protest how it wasn't a big deal, cause breasts on a chimera were problematic.

Already got the game pre-ordered.

Sadly knew some of the usual people would bring up the 'controversial' comments. Like 99.9% of people I don't care if they hate the trans people or not they aren't a special group who should get special treatment, everyone can be mocked. The hate mob at ReeeeeeeesetEra are the one's who blew it up anyway. Anything that cesspit doesn't like it makes it a winner!

@mesome713 lol no they don't.

They initially apologized to shut the mob of perpetually offended bullies up. And then they realise that you are nothing but a very very vocal minority and immediately did a 180 and chose not to take your side.

The game is still the same as it was. The only people that came off looking bad is the same usual mob that try to destroy people for having different opinions.

Yes, I will continue to have my opinions. Which I am perfectly entitled to. That the majority of people also share with me. The people that agree with you are a tiny minority in a safe space bubble.

cant wait to spend my hard earned money on this.

@enda_o "We recognize these statements are insensitive, unacceptable, and counterproductive to causes of equality. We unequivocally apologize both for these comments and language as well as for any pain they have caused the gaming community, particularly women and members of the LGBTQ community. We take full responsibility for any damage that has been done to the relationships we've worked so hard to build," it said

"Moving forward, Voidpoint will institute a zero-tolerance policy for this type of language and all employees and contractors will undergo mandatory sensitivity training. As part of our efforts to contribute to the work that must be done to further support these communities, we are donating $10,000 from Ion Fury's release day proceeds to The Trevor Project. We are also patching Ion Fury ASAP to remove all unacceptable language."

Muahahaha! Haters get rektd.

@mesome713 in jail? Oh my...you might want to take a couple more history lessons. What an absolute appalling view to hold.

also i would have never known about the comments if it was not for the comments on the sectiion here

@RileyR Hate speech is a crime. Just like it's a crime to yell fire in a theater, we coming for them baby. Haters are getting detroyed.

@mesome713 in the middle ages you would have told me being a witch is a crime.

@mesome713

1. That was the publisher that did this not the developers. The Devs literally said they weren't told about this and they were not happy about it.

2. A day after this announcement they did a 180 and did literally NONE of those things in that statement.

So, yeah. You get rekt, kid.

@mesome713

"The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment."

You are lucky it actually isn't, or you would be getting arrested for saying "f*gbag" in your earlier post above!

Which I may add, was HIGHLY offensive, and really upset me.

@RileyR Witch is hate speech also. Them people died just cause they didn't believe same stuff as majority.

ok i think i have left NL and im entering the twilightzone.

@BeautyandtheBeer off-topic, but would you mind telling me which cartoon your avatar is from? 🙃

@DinnerAndWine Umm, you quoted it too...lol. and I'm glad your offended, it's in this game and hasn't been removed. And no, you wouldn't get arrested for quoting someone.

If anyone wants a physical copy, you can get it from Play-Asia:

https://www.play-asia.com/ion-fury/13/70dbhb

@mesome713 Where on earth does hate speech exist never mind being a crime? I know for a fact it doesn't exist in the US, here in the UK we don't have freedom of speech anyway (you can be charged for making jokes here) so where?

@mesome713 hate speech is enciting violence towards someone.

It's literally not "this person has an opinion I disagree with and am offended by reeeeeeeee"

@BeautyandtheBeer You don't have freedom of speech. Go tell your wife your going to kill her. Go tell a cop your going to shoot him. Yell fire in a crowded theater. See what happens.

@RileyR It's actually from an album cover of The Beauty and the Beer from Tankard. The full image isn't totally safe for work though.

@mesome713 ok that flew right over your head. The point was that you're defending just as an absurd law now, as the witch hunt laws were then.
The point is you being on the wrong side of history, trying to shut up dissent by framing it as 'hate speech'. You might just as well make a law to make 'hate thoughts' a punishable offense.

@enda_o loving the narrative of "going back on donating $10k to the trevor project and removing a slur from out-of-bounds commentary is the good thing here, you moron"
do you realize how that sounds

@RileyR Well get to hate thought later in the future. Once we have the tech. And calling people a witch then and racial slurs now is same thing. It leads to violence.

@mesome713 Ah that old chestnut, confusing actual threats or call to arms with speech that may be offensive. There is a difference between saying 'I hate white people' and 'I am going to kill white people'. I don't know why that needs explaining but I shouldn't be surprised. Try answering my question now eh? Pretty please?

@somebread yeah it sounds great actually.

You shouldn't be bullied into making false empty apologies and gestures for people stating perfectly reasonable opinions just because a small group of offended people disagree with your views.

@imananjidesuka That's what hate does, it makes them afraid of others. They have to learn to let hate go. Haters are the scum of the earth.

@BeautyandtheBeer ah thanks! I'll check it out. 😎

@mesome713 - Haters aren't quite "getting rekt," when they're just outright ignored. That's pretty grade school tactics. "Rekt" would imply some form of damage is done to the action taken. At this point they're just a loud opposition to you.

Though it is a curious case you exemplify with the response; Like many here protesting they will not buy the game they find the symbolism detestable, they're not willing to reconsider future purchases (or current ones) if the actions are reprimanded and the course changed. Even though the man is fired and the course demanded has been changed, many they're appealing to care little to change concurrently.

@mesome713 So we can count you in the haters category as well going from your comments here since you're afraid of others opinions? Damn, at least you admit it.

@enda_o the core issue of "i don't know how to tell you you should care about other people" most likely isn't going to change in a Nintendo Life Comment Section(TM) but at the very least we can agree the backlash against the ogay stuff was incredibly dumb, that's about as incendiary as an 11 year old going "more like justin BEAVER!!!!!!! cause he's GAY!!!!!!"

@somebread it's weird that the far leftist sphere of the 10's are are the new 90's Christian soccer moms.

All this drama over the word "Ogay" being on a shampoo bottle somewhere in a FPS. Y'all need to get off the internet for a while.

@somebread - Honestly, I think there was an intent for that 90s shock value with the "Ogay" controversy. I mean, Duke Nukem was a heavy inspiration for this game and tipping strippers for a "kids game" back then was very taboo. Hell, one can argue that it is now. Going from there, it's easy to connect the dots and see why someone, somewhere, thought he was being creative.

But gaming has moved on from that mostly. What was once a societal stab at the puritan thought process is now just... Well, for me, was kinda tacky.

I honestly find the response to the content more ridiculous than "Ogay" being a thing.

@Paraka yeah, it was tacky, but it wasn't really anything worth making a fuss about, coming from a gay man even
it fits right in with that Duke 3D puerile style of humor

Wow. Never been more embarasssed to be an NL visitor. Both sides of the argument re: controversy have been woefully represented, other than a few well-considered posts.

In other news, I'm likely going to pick this up if the port has been well-handled.

I queried why this has been omitted from the list of games to look out for in May and now this article magically appears.

You're welcome 😘

Physical release still showing as 29th May on Base.com

Gonna try to wait for a sale to minimize the amount of my money that goes toward hatred.

@Darlinfan Because he's not a troll. He actually believes everything he writes.

@Darlinfan Unfortunately, this is the case, that's why I no longer have a Twitter ccount. That's their kingdom.

I was of the impression for the longest time that this game wasn't finished. That one would be buying an "episode one" kind of deal.

How's that looking at this point?

Holy crap, you whiny children. Ion Fury is a great game AND people are well within their rights not to spend their money on art made by artists who have been personally crappy to them and tell other people why. It was one comment and you MADE it the only thing being talked about by bitching about his one comment. NintendoLife, moderate your comments. Good lord.

That said, "it's just about games" is a cute way not to talk about the humans who make them, and a fully consistent position until the day we all lose our s*** over the last thing done/said by Miyamoto or Kojima or Iwata (RIP) or Nomura or Carmack or Newell or Ed Boon or Sid Meier or — hunh I guess actually we do care about developers and designers, nevermind 🙄

Um, I'm just here to ask if the devs have said anything about motion aiming in the Switch version. Tried Google and couldn't find anything.

@Pod It's a full game at this point, no episodes or early access or any of that nonsense. Really good example of the Duke Nukem era FPS design with modern enhancements to the tech.

@Darlinfan Check his profile and see his previous comments in many articles. I'm positive that he isn't trolling and that he has that kind of unreasonable perspective in this and other stuff. Also, keep in mind that he might have no idea of what you are talking about you or how to respond to you.

@ErraticGamer
Alright then, that helps my interest a fair bit!
Still disappointed they didn't get to keep the amazing title Ion Maiden, but that hopefully doesn't impact the actual game. ^^

Now if only they'd consider adding motion controls...

@ErraticGamer lol...don't just consume art kids, find a way to shame the artist. Get out there and reeeage.

@Darlinfan "what difference does it make if they're ***holes or not?"

Clearly, none, to you - and it's your money, that's fine - but some folks feel culpable for who gets the money they spend - and that's their money, so that's fine, too.

I can't tell you to care about it, and I won't! Not my call! But to blow up a comments section because somebody else cares about something is ridiculous. I bought and played Ion Fury and I think it's a great game, but yeah, the folks who handled that issue were dicks about it, and if that turns somebody off from the game, that's part of running a business and selling a product. It's not unreasonable to talk about, and pretending those things just can't be connected is absurd.

@Pod RIGHT? Ion Maiden was SUCH A GOOD NAME.

@RileyR I'm gonna assume that there's plenty of other art out there if somebody doesn't want to buy this. Hang on, just lemme - yep, I checked, there's a lot. 😛

getting this game day freaking one. a physical copy of a classic inspired genre? sign me up

@Darlinfan Fair enough. To be fair, it wasn't you, but what I see at the top of this thread is somebody explaining why they aren't buying the game, not telling other people not to, and then getting jumped on as though he should keep his opinion to himself because we don't want to hear about it in here.

And that's BS. If Miyamoto was a predator, to reference your previous post, I'd want to know, and I wouldn't tell anybody else not to play Mario but I might stop buying it myself. (Personally, I can't watch Kevin Spacey movies anymore, and it sucks because I loved his work. Oh well.) It's valid discussion material and it's a bad look for the NL community to be stomping on somebody explaining their position on something they care about in a non-dogmatic way.

That said, now you and I are doing the thing where the whole thread is this, so I'm good if you're good. 😉

@Pod The beta was 2 levels. The full 30 level game released August 2019 on pc.

@mauhlin12 they confirmed gyro controls support is in, on their official 3DRealms discord.

Didn't reeeeset era get upset with this game over a dev saying something pro trans, anti 'trans' sjw on discord?

About bloody time this came to Switch.

I was getting impatient not knowing when this would be released if ever to my favorite system.

From the reviews I’ve been reading so far, it looks very promising.

(Now can we get a Duke Nukem collection for Switch next, please?)

@nessisonett seems to me that you are blowing this whole ordeal out of proportion. Get over it and play the game or not but don’t make a spectacle of it.

@mesome713 you use hate speech all the time and you’re insanely racist/vindictive with your past comments on this site.

Tread more carefully, you nasty little hypocrite.

@NoNoseNosferatu O please do prove it. People need to realize not everyone shares the same views as them.

@ThanosReXXX thank you for sharing the trailer; I watched GMANLIVES review of the early beta a while back and it looked great!

Pretty excited for this one!

@mesome713 anyone can look at your comment history, Bub; you really need to grow up.

Every comment you make is loathsome and completely absurd. Just stop while you’re still behind...

A lot of comments from people with no interest in this game, just here to drive their inane point home about their supposed hurt feelings.
Sad.

@RileyR sounds like mesome713 in a nutshell.

https://www.nintendolife.com/users/mesome713/comments in case anyone wants to read the miscreant’s posting history. Dive deep and feel free to share what you can find.

@NoNoseNosferatu Yall cried to us. We just simply stated an opinion. No one is forcing Yall to have the same opinion, just deal with it, yall will handle life much better and more effecient.

Are all your enemies robots? And if so, does that mean the only time you'll see red blood is when you get hurt?

@durr Thanks! Easy day 1 purchase for me.

@RileyR Seriously. WTH even happened in here? Came for info on an FPS, walked into a battlefield. 😳

To those fighting, how about you're ALL wrong?? Chill TF out and go play something. 😒

I was wondering about the unusually high amount of comments under this article and was like: "hey, I didn't know so many people were as hyped as I am for this game!", only for my naïveté to be crushed by some controversy I didn't know about.

Basically the usual.

@YANDMAN : I forgot about that (it's on my wish list though). Unfortunately, there is no physical version available (and I recall the game being quite bulky, possibly over 16GB if memory serves). I doubt we'll ever see it at retail, but I would jump on it if LRG or similar were to offer it.

There is also no DRM-free option available on PC (though I would overwhelmingly prefer it on Switch) so that's out of the question as well.

@NoNoseNosferatu You're welcome.

@imananjidesuka don't worry, he/she seems to miss every single point all the time, whether willingly or not.
By the way props for your comment, it's one of the few sane ones I've seen in this thread.

A bit of clarification and that’s the last thing I’ll say on this subject.

The ‘Ogay’ thing is not what I’m talking about. It’s a tacky joke, that’s it. If I had that thin a skin, I’d be six feet under by now, and that’s no exaggeration. on the other hand, that’s just a disgusting slur, plain and simple. It’s probably equivalent to the N word for a certain proportion of the world. As I stated in my original post however, this was done by a disgruntled employee and was removed. The initial apology the devs released, including a $10k donation to The Trevor Project, was satisfactory and alleviated any concerns I had about the game, as I said it looks fun.

The real problem I have with this whole affair is the pages and pages of Discord messages from Voidpoint’s server. I’m not going to list every single horrible comment made there but suffice to say, I just don’t want to give my money to people that think it’s OK to insult anyone that doesn’t look, think or act like them on a public server. The ironic thing is that at the same time, they were complaining about SJWs attacking people who don’t think the same as them.

Obviously I didn’t mean to start a bloody conflict equivalent to the European Wars of Religion but I’m not going to stay quiet about devs who think it’s OK to pick on people who already find it incredibly hard to live an honest, loving life. Being Caucasian, I don’t find extreme racism against POC personally offensive, as I’m not the intended victim. However, I know that it’s deeply deeply hurtful and offensive towards that group and therefore I stand alongside them in condemning that behaviour. The next time you see a comment or action that you know is incredibly offensive towards any group in the world, think about that. Is it right to pick on somebody just because of a certain trait they have? Can you blame them for being born a certain way? Regardless, all of this is online and I doubt any of this affects your daily lives. Now I’ll stay offline for a while and go back to my life, playing games with my boyfriend, chatting to my friends, staying positive. I’ll be back though, I’ve been here for almost 6 years and I’m sure as hell not going to keep quiet. I reserve the right to sample that free speech you all love so much.

May is going to be painful on my wallet, so I guess I'm glad April was slow for Switch games.

@nessisonett

How disgraceful, to get to the point of lying to make yourself look good.

The comments made by the devs were A FEW not, and i quote you "pages and pages of Discord messages from Voidpoint’s server. I’m not going to list every single horrible comment made there"

Pages and pages? disgraceful, disgraceful...

Did i forget to mention their community has A LOT of trans folk? one of them remixed the whole soundtrack of the game and the dev team just loved it.

Go away with your lies and let us enjoy this awesome game which is day 1 for me.

Controversy aside I've been waiting for a console version of this game. I'm looking forward to seeing how this shapes up. If the ports are good, I'll definitely be getting this. I love these retro revival games. Between this and games like Xenocrisis, Fight N Rage, and Blazing Chrome, my wallet is going to be in some serious pain.

Ion Fury is an amazing game! Doom 64 is a bit better tho.

@nessisonett What the hell is going on? Are you gay? Ok if you are, but nobody really cares to be honest... Why are you acting as if making fun of gays was the first-world problem? Ion Fury is making fun of many things, so why there are only gays who constantly have something against it? Life is too short to be in constant depression of jokes and also life would be boring without jokes.

@durr
Thanks for the info!

@ErraticGamer
Really was. ^^

@nessisonett

But they are right... That's what hurts right? Otherwise resetera would welcome you with open arms.

@Silly_G It's a code in a box. trust me i am a total advocate for physical and only buy that where it is possible. But if you have the space i cannot recommend it enough. one of the best looking games that i've played on the system too. looks almost the same as the PS4 version. Side by side comparison is very close. I hope you get to try it. FPS is my least played format and like i said i've played it through five times now.

@nessisonett having taken the time to go and look at the comments expressed on discord myself(and not the cut down try to make people look as bad as possible versions) I would say that there isn’t anything there that is in any way transphobic. I’d say there are views that some people may disagree on but nothing that I would say is against trans people existing or anything like that. People have a habit these days of labelling you as phobic or racist if your don’t 100% percent agree on difficult subjects and how they should be approached. Like when the creator of Burt and Earnie said he created the characters and they weren’t gay he was labelled homophobic. It’s honestly ridiculous. Feel free to not agree with their comments(I don’t line up with all of them myself) but I think it’s unfair to say they are transphobic. Increasingly in life I find that the very people who champion themselves on tolerance and acceptance are some of the least tolerant and accepting people you’ll ever meet on planet Earth and often think you don’t belong on it. Ironic

@YANDMAN : I've seen the cover and it says that there is a DVD included. Considering that it's running on a slightly enhanced version of a 24 year old engine, it should easily fit on a CD, let alone DVD.

@Silly_G Huh?????????

@nessisonett Please don't spread false information

The devs never said parents of trans dont deserve to be parents

The person in question said people who pre-determine a childs sex at birth shouldn't be parents.. Which is an entirely different thing to say "oh yes even though this baby is a boy, I want him to be a girl!" when they're just a baby, it's wrong

If you don't want to buy the game, fine, but don't flat out lie to people on here to try and convince them not to buy the game.

It was a soap bottle, with the words "ogay" instead of "olay"... It's called a pun, ok? Now I get in this current climate people like to be offended, but as far as satire goes that is NOTHING. God forbid you ever find out about Postal 2.

@nessisonett And just to put this into perspective to you.

If I was to have a baby, and said when they were born "This baby is straight, I have pre-dermined that it is going to be straight and I'm going to encourage it as much as possible to be straight"

Does that sound morally acceptable to you? No?

So why is it okay for someone to say "I'm going to encourage this baby to be gay, or be a girl even though they're a boy.. I'm going to encourage this and enforce it from birth"

The developers comment was SPOT ON, forgetting the fact you lied and twisted their words, they are right when they say people who pre-determine a babies sex at birth, they don't deserve to be parents and ANYONE with any morals, gay or straight, would agree.

@realcasper He also lied about what the devs said, nessisonett claimed the developer said trans shouldn't be parents, which isn't what they said AT ALL

What the developer DID say is parents who pre-determine their childs sex at birth shouldn't be parents. Which can include straight gay or trans lol.. A child should always be able to choose their own sexuality, not have it enforced from birth and that's what the developer was saying

It was actually pretty offensive. And the company's decision to apologise but then completely u-turn was pretty embarrassing. That's what got me the most. Them grandstanding about censorship, while seemingly unaware of the difference between censorship and self-censorship. Not sure why so many people here feel the need to tell others how, when, and where they be offended by something. It's also just free speech to express offensive bros.

'The statement came after sexist and transphobic comments were made by staff in Ion Fury's official Discord. Later, homophobic language was found in Ion Fury itself. One room in the game, accessed using a noclip cheat, displayed the word "f[*]gbag". Elsewhere, face wash bottles were found to include the homophobic slur "ogay" on their packaging.

Voidpoint will now not change the ogay face wash bottles after it said it would.
Voidpoint's statement was seen as a positive response, but now it's issued a new statement that stresses the developer will not change the "ogay" face wash because "f[**]k censorship", and called the original decision a "mistake".'
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-27-ion-fury-dev-u-turns-on-promise-to-pull-in-game-homophobic-slur

@Doktor-Mandrake you're lying about what they said. Here's what they said https://imgur.com/kiC9q8O. https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-devs-show-signs-of-transphobia-among-other-issues-update-voidpoint-apologizes-in-statement-see-threadmarks.135368/

If they had said no one has a right to choose their child's sex at birth then there would be nothing wrong with that comment. It's just a statement practically no one can disagree with. They said instead no one can choose their child is trans at birth. The implications of that statement is parents of trans children are predetermining their child is trans. That no child is actually trans, no child identifies with a gender different to their biological sex it's just some scumbag psycho parents gaslighting their children, and deciding they are going to do this at the moment of birth. It's basically the opposite implication of what you claim they said.

@capturescaptures you must have a pretty twisted mind to reach that far for hamfisted conclusions; this is literally the quote you're talking about:
"yeah if you're trying to decide your child is trans at birth you have mental problems and probably shouldn't be a parent imo"

Which means exactly what @Doktor-Mandrake was saying: it's not your right to decide your child's sexual orientation and/or gender at birth, it's up to your child when they grow up.

The comment about "mutilation" and "mental issues" is absolutely despicable, I'll give you that; but if you wanna paint them in a bad light at least choose the "right" comment, instead of twisting the logic of a pretty inoffensive and agreeable one.

@clvr The original poster I was responding to misquoted the dev significantly and claimed they actually held a position on gender that it's up to the child and no parent has the right to decide. If that was actually the case then the dev wouldn't have singled out trans children. As I said in my comment, no one disagrees a parent must not force a child to be a particular gender.

If you believe that children are too young to decide that's different, I'd argue to some degree if that's your stance, you're gonna end up forcing a child to be a gender against the will of the child. But it's beside the point, the point was it's not the same claimed position the original post I responded to.

@capturescaptures no, you are misquoting.

Tell me who in their right mind would think that this:
"yeah if you're trying to decide your child is trans at birth you have mental problems and probably shouldn't be a parent imo"

Means this:
"They said instead no one can choose their child is trans at birth. The implications of that statement is parents of trans children are predetermining their child is trans. That no child is actually trans, no child identifies with a gender different to their biological sex it's just some scumbag psycho parents gaslighting their children, and deciding they are going to do this at the moment of birth."

That's reaching waaaay too far, man.
This is not transphobic in the least, if they were they would have a problem with the child choosing to be trans, not with the parents imposing it in them.
It's pretty clear what they mean: that it's not up to the parent to decide their child's orientation. Period.
If you disagree, that's fine, just don't spread false information.
I have absolutely no stakes in this situation, I really don't care, but I hate it when people twist others' words to fit their agenda.

Edit: I forgot this:
"If you believe that children are too young to decide that's different, I'd argue to some degree if that's your stance, you're gonna end up forcing a child to be a gender against the will of the child."

Please elaborate. You're telling me that if someone doesn't impose heterosexuality/homosexuality/transsexualism/whatever on their child they are forcing them later. What?
I said it's up to the child, what is it with you and twisting every word other people say?

@clvr "I said it's up to the child, what is it with you and twisting every word other people say?"

I'm not. This is my position also. I'm sorry it wasn't clear.

To clarify, I was saying if for example you don't support a child who's biological sex is male saying they believe they are a girl, then you are not letting the child choose.

I wasn't trying to suggest that was your position either. I was just point out the nuance of the topic. Multiple views. I happen to believe the dev's a transphobe and the original dev comment was transphobic. I merely tried to explain why (sadly not to your satisfaction), and I why I took exception to the commenter here accusing someone else of lying and misquoting, when I don't think they were.

"yeah if you're trying to decide your child is trans at birth you have mental problems and probably shouldn't be a parent imo"

You're right though maybe I was being really uncharitable by assuming this quote was not just someone ineloquently trying to express the idea that a child should be free to determine their own gender, because that's the kind of reaching I was disagreeing with.. 🤷‍♂️

@capturescaptures That screenshot you just posted literally proves I WASN'T lying.. Infact all you've done is proven that I was correct, the developer was saying people who decide their BABY is trans shouldn't be parents.

Which is a valid thing to say, no one should be saying wether a baby is gay, straight trans, bi or WHATEVER when it's an innocent helpless baby

A child should be able to choose their OWN sexuality when growing up, that is what the developer was saying as you clearly just proved with that screenshot

Oh but he said "trans" and not "everyone".. Blah blah blah blah, that's nitpicking my friend.. That's literally reaching as far as you can go, just to be offended.. You know you're not the only one who has rights? I'd argue children, especially babies, have rights too.

@capturescaptures "To clarify, I was saying if for example you don't support a child who's biological sex is male saying they believe they are a girl, then you are not letting the child choose."

Perfect, that's exactly what I meant too.
I guess we just did not communicate well enough with one another.

As I said, I agree that the "mutilation and mental issues" comment is inexcusable and transphobe, no doubt about that.
Having said that, I think the other comment was poorly worded but the intention was in the right place.
They were voiced by two different people anyway, so I don't think it's fair to lump them together.

I hope this clarifies my stance on the subject 👍🏻

@capturescaptures And I get that there was some unsavoury subject matter in that discord, mostly from community and not at all from the devs, then resetera decide to aim for the "ogay" bottle which is a PUN, literally just some SATIRE and people went ape over that as well.

Then they pay money to a chairty organisation, from what I understand, to make up for the people who got offended by the stupid soap bottle pun... And people STILL arent happy?!?!

They're an indie company, why are people so insistant these days on hurting other people that are just trying to make video games? If you don't like satire, or gay puns.. don't play duke nukem 3d esque games because that's what these games are like my friend

And they don't just make fun of gays, they make fun of everyone.. that is the whole point of satire.

I plan to buy this game on both Switch and PS4. We need more fun games like this.

I'm sorry I agree this is about video games but now that we are on the topic. Parents should not be allowed to castrate their children! Not now, NOT EVER! Just like a parent couldn't consent to their children having sex with an adult, they shouldn't be able to consent to having the child make a decision that will last a lifetime at that age. If a child says they are a bird you don't go to the roof and throw them off hoping they will fly just as if they say they are a girl (of they are a boy) means you go have their balls chopped off. Our world is growing more insane by the day.

Oh and this is a day one buy for me, it looks awesome! I have fond memories for Duke Nukem 64 and PC! I'm excited for this game!

@Fifth313ment That was my point. To make that absurd claim that parents of trans children are immediately going out and getting them castrated at the first chance is transphobic. It's a gross mischaracterisation of the situation. To support a trans child means that you might call them by their preferred pronouns, let them wear the clothes they want, get them a professional to speak to.

@capturescaptures I have nothing against trans people or any others but I feel that even entertaining the idea that a 5 year old knows what is best for themselves is comical. And YES they ARE castrating some of the children. Children have NO IDEA what they are doing which is why their parents are responsible for them till they turn 18. Pronouns and clothes, don't make me laugh. So if you child says they want to be Batman you don't buy them a utility belt and let them swing off the roof. Pronouns are also a joke. No one in the real world uses pronouns but that is a topic for another day. It's an oxymoron to call them a trans child as the word child denotes that they don't have any idea what they are doing. As high as 95% of so called trans kids grow out of it. And suicide rates among trans individuals is in upwards of 40%+ so if my kids started to show signs I would do everything in my power to stop them. Any parent who wouldn't is not a good parent and not doing their job. Trans people are free to live their life safe from any harm and any governmental restrictions, just like us ALL.

@Fifth313ment Man I could not agree more.