Dragon Ball FighterZ DLC Reveals Controversial Voice Actor's Replacement

I still prefer Vic's take on the character. His voice worked perfectly for the somber moments with Broly. And his reach with Rage Broly was fantastic. I don't think the replacement will sound as fitting during the somber moments with Broly, but honestly, his take on Rage Broly doesn't sound too bad.

I thin the replacement will do just fine voicing the character for the game. But if Broly ever make a return in a future arc of Dragonball Super, it's gonna be real hard to get used to the new Dub actor.

Here we go again.🙄

Almost bought this game, thank god I didn't. Don't want to support these guys.

vic thrown under the bus after compaints with ffffffff SJW snowflakes that dont even give a fffffffffffffffffff about the actual franchise. mmmmmmmmmmmm. Mind you NL has quite a few SJW upset as some girls in games have actuall female body parts.

Wow this game looked interesting but I can't approve of snowflakes ruining a man's career like this.

Figured they were going to replace Vic eventually... Johnny Yong Bosch is a pretty good voice actor though. I don't know if his Broly is any good as I do not watch DBZ, but I do know he was good as Lelouch, Yu Narukami and Hajime Hinata.

i figured he was going to do it, he did replace him as Sabo in One Piece after all so it makes sense

on a side note if i'm honest Vic didn't really do that great a job in the movie, it's decent but there were time you could tell he just either couldn't or didn't want to do it properly, just look at the "scream" when Broly is powering up to his maximum power, it's just off and doesn't match what's going on in the shot so i think getting someone new is a good thing and JYB is a good voice actor, just look at Bleach for the example

It’s worth noting that Mignogna sued Funimation for defamation and interference in existing contracts and the cases were dismissed after he failed to turn up to court and the victims signed legally binding affidavits. This is not an example of ‘snowflake’ anything or a witch-hunt, several women he worked with reported him and he was dropped by both Funimation and Rooster Teeth. If anybody supports this man, they don’t know the full story.

@nessisonett They wouldn't be the first people to lie while under 'oath'.

Johnny Yong Bosch is a great actor! Glad to see him in!

@Kalmaro And Mignogna wouldn't be the first to harrass and expect no repercussions.

@Kalmaro So you’d rather believe the word of one person who couldn’t even be bothered to turn up to court proceedings than a group of several women who all signed affidavits? They were all lying?

@Anguspuss True that.

@tobsesta99 So what’s the alternative? A group of women decided to ruin the career of Vic Mignogna? It’s not like he’s Brad Pitt or anything, he’s a voice actor and not exactly the biggest of targets. It’s utterly ridiculous to suggest that these women are in any way less believable than Vic himself.

@nessisonett don't bother with em, he or she has a Broly and Vic avatar so he or she wont listen to any other side or any other point of view

best to just drop it now and leave em be

detsroY ALL SNOMTAKES!!11

There are some hot ass takes on this thread. Shame.

Cue every vic mignogna defender within a nautical mile rushing to the comments to espouse their love for an alleged sex offender. This thread's gonna be a mess.

@OrganSeller Actually, the final court appearance was a few days ago after the appeal. Vic’s been ordered to pay roughly a quarter of a million dollars. I appreciate you adding a bit more information though, I briefly summed up what happened for the benefit of a shorter post.

@kenyowa Imagine taking people for their word without any evidence and not looking at the other side of things just for some clout.

Not a Broly or Vic fan per say but other dumb crap Funimation has done to some of my favorite titles has assured that I'll never buy any of their BDs new ever again.

That being said, people readily lauding known two-faced VAs just because they're women is pretty funny as well.

Lots of resetera users use this site so some of the comments don't surprise me. Luckily their type only make up an extremely minuscule percentage of liberals and us normal ones can ignore their insanity.

@tobsesta99 Pretty much the twitter MO of snowflakes the past 7-8 years.

Good. I was waiting for the news. I’m happy to support the new actor. I’ve seen firsthand the kind of monster Vic is. My sister was a minor when he invited her to his room.

@OrganSeller Oh right, it’s just for the use of a SLAPP that he’s been fined then. While SLAPPs obviously do not mean that he is guilty, they definitely show a lot about the man’s character. For those that don’t know what a SLAPP case is, it’s a term used to describe lawsuits that are designed to silence critics by keeping them preoccupied with lawyers and fees, making it likely further critics wouldn’t speak out. They aren’t designed to be won.

had a feeling this comment section would be a dumpster fire from the outside and was not disappointed to find out it was :V it's not like broly was exactly verbose until super so i don't see the issue

@Sandro89 @Anguspuss
Oh boy, what a great thing you are doing by harassing people who dont want someone who did an actually horrible thing that would normally get him fired anyway. Snowflake this, snowflake that, at least consider an original insult

@Anguspuss this reads like a parody but seems completely legitimate, and I think that's magical

@Anguspuss
Scariest thing is that you might be completely serious.

@nessisonett Do you have any sources for Vic not turning up in court being the reason for the cases being thrown out and the last judgment against him, or do you expect me to just take you at your word?

You saying this is the first I've heard of him not showing up in court.

I don't follow DBZ, I don't follow these particular voice actors, and I have no interest in the individuals or charcters involved. But it's distressing to see another instance of accusation = guilt, and punishments and life destruction begins at the onset of accusation and not upon proof and conviction of guilt.

NOBODY should be celebrating that. Maybe the guy is everything he's been accused of being and deserves it. But acting upon that should happen after it has been established with evidence to be true. Not because accusations have been made. Maybe in this case the actions were accidentally correct by the end result. But a system of accusation being treated as guilt is not a just legal system. It's a banana republic at best, and tomorrow it could be you on the other end of it. Why even bother with courts if they're only used to confirm what everyone already thought was true and acted upon? We don't need them, they're an unnecessary expense.

Just remember, each of you, that in a system where accusation = guilt: You're already a harasser, groper or pedophile. You just haven't been reported yet. Remember not to make enemies, or evoke jealousy or you may be next.

@YozenFroghurt goku's grandma voice is kind of off-putting, at least that's my excuse

@NEStalgia yknow testimony is considered a form of evidence right

@NEStalgia Sure, someone shouldn’t go to jail if they haven’t been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Saying accusations shouldn’t be acted on, however, is absurd. If someone is accused of being a predator, why would any company want to take a risk leaving them in a position in which they can potentially cause more harm to their alleged victims?

The entire slippery slope argument of suggesting everyone then is a potential victim of false accusations is also weak. People can already lay false accusations on others, but it doesn’t happen much as generally it’s simply something people don’t, investigations are pretty quick to show when there is absolutely no evidence, and the repercussions of making false accusations are extremely damaging to those making them.

@somebread As long as it's not based on hearsay.

@nessisonett What I believe are facts and evidence. Him not showing up is odd but that doesn't prove he's guilty.

@Kalmaro it's always facts and evidence unless it's the other side, huh

the new actress that voice bulma is the one that made the false accusations against vic which was completely $tupid he did nothing wrong seriously the studio fired him with no investigation into the matter it just shows that funimation studio doesn really care about whos innocent or not such hypocrites.

@somebread Only if you're dishonest.

@Maelwolf The entire point of investigation and legal determinations is for a well balanced, well qualified evaluation of evidence to make a determination upon that evidence. To say accusations should be acted on is what is absurd. A suspension to await results, perhaps, but ending contracts over accusations and testimony is the last thing any law based society should ever be demanding.

Again, why bother with courts if the court of public opinion and image is all we need?

You're willing to stake the destruction of people's lives upon the idea that "people just don't do [false accusations]". Perhaps in the 1950's when the West was devoutly Christian and went to church all the time and followed a relatively religiously guided life that may have been mostly true. This isn't the 1950's and that West doesn't exist anymore. People make false accusations all the time - take a look at Japan and the number of women that make accusations against men - the life destruction, and often eventual suicides there - it's not an uncommon problem, unfortunately. It's one they're trying to address, while we seem keen to adopt the problem wholesale. And while it may not (yet) be as common here, there's certainly a sizable list of famous false accusations, (several of the most famous being tied to political hot-buttons so I won't name the cases here), and that doesn't account of the non-famous cases. The false accusers may (or may not) eventually get their due, but not until after their victim is forever destroyed.

This is why we need a full legal, due process based evaluation to arrive at a result before taking actions against people. It may or may not be the right result, but at least the process to uncover the available evidence was followed to arrive at a result that people can act upon in good faith.

To act upon accusation as standard, everyone is guilty unless they can prove they aren't, which is always significantly harder, if not impossible, than accurately proving guilt. That anyone would support that as a society they want to live in is stunning. I can understand why corporations are quick to distance themselves from any legal threat, but would expect a society to condemn that practice, not praise it. It's a request to return to the worst of the mid 20th century.

@kenyowa theres no evidence of him being a sex offender seriously where the hell are getting your info from the magic 8 ball that trolls love to use.

@MegaVel91 while this doesn't say that him not turning up was the reason it does clearly state he was not present for the hearing

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-09-06/mignogna-civil-case-against-voice-actress-jamie-marchi-dismissed/.150828

as for the final ruling well that information is here

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-11-27/judge-rules-vic-mignogna-must-pay-usd238042-to-defendants-in-lawsuit/.153749

@NEStalgia When talking about harassment and in many cases even sexual assault, accusations and testimony are often all a victim has. Disregarding that is a lot more dangerous than the risk of false accusations. In addition, while I agree that suspensions during investigations generally make sense, it is also up to the employer based on past behaviour of the individual in question and any other information that they see as adding to the validity of the claims.

I’m a teacher, I’ve seen colleagues both falsely and accurately accused. The reality is, it’s pretty easy to protect yourself. Those falsely accused were quickly exonerated as they don’t put themselves into situations were they are 1on1 with a student or colleague in a room with blinds and doors closed, nor do they act like creeps. The actual questioning of the accusers also raised doubts very quickly. In contrast, in the cases of those that were guilty, it was pretty evident early on. It might not be as obvious to those not involved in the investigation and those outside looking in, but when you share a work environment with someone, there are a lot of little bits of information that inform your judgement. In some cases there isn’t enough to build a full fledged legal case, but I’m sure happy they are not working with kids anymore just because you have a paranoia about false accusations.

The fact that in this case the courts seem to have ruled against the accused seem to suggest his employers probably had a pretty good cause to want to get rid of him. Pretending his removal was impulsive based on pure hearsay is just ridiculous and is the type of mindset that truly should be condemned.

@FullbringIchigo Cheers, I’m insanely ill so would have got round to posting that same source at some point.

@MegaVel91 Him not showing up for court is not the deciding factor in this case, which I admit I worded badly. I didn’t mean to say that it was the reason the case was dismissed, however I do believe that it was a factor, since this was all about the judge ruling whether or not they believed the defamation case was only serving the purpose of silencing witnesses. Therefore, since it was the judge’s own judgement, him not showing up to court would have certainly played a part in their decision. It’s true of any case, the way you present yourself in court, act when questioned etc all plays a part in what the judge thinks of you. In this case, since it was a civil lawsuit brought by Vic himself, the judge decided the lawsuit was frivolous and chucked it out. Read into that how you will but the blatant disregard he showed towards the courts doesn’t paint a nice picture of his character.

Gonna say that the use of the word “snowflake” kind of invalidates any serious consideration of someone’s perspective.

Boy there is a lot to unpack here in the comments section. Now, I don't watch much anime, so Vic isn't essentially someone I can feel a close impact by. So really this is as neutral as I can be though I have been watching this with curiosity, as it can eventually impact others.

The whole idea that his failure to appear in court as an example of his guilt is lacking a huge factor to this; Context. If the context isn't needed, then the years I did not attend my family's holidays just makes me a horrible son as proclaimed by my mother. But the context is I was homeless, and no one bothered to look for me. That being said, not appearing to the court is damaging to his case, sure, but it's also likely a reason out of many he is appealing. We got the benefit as public opinions to make more of a judgement with the superficial facts. And even then, we are likely to not know why, but the most believable theory is the push for an earlier hearing and lack of updates to the opposing party (and my wife can attest this happens A LOT in family court). No judge cares why, just that it happened.

This then leads the door open as to why one of the defendants kept dodging having her papers served. If one is an admittance of guilt, then this would be narratively so as well?

And the use of social media proclamations as evidence is poor, too. If a review bombing can be organized over a simple texture change, it's not out of the realm of possibility some can hold a collective grudge against another within the workplace. Anyone who has worked retail can likely confirm. Another good example is people digging up tweets to fire others collectively. A practice that has helped bring much scrutiny to public claims. Especially when many have made up fake news about him (like using someone's likeness to justify a claim and blocked that actual person coming out against it).

All this being said, my summation of the whole debacle is this; Vic is creepy, but likely not enjoyed by the newer, collective friends that were hired on. Dude is an older person, and religious to an extent. And from my job I have seen others gun for those due to beliefs that Christians have the wrong view on life and choice. So this can easily be a scenario. However, being creepy isn't enough to have someone fired.

However, this is merely the suit against Toye/Rial case. I am far more friendly with the suit against Funimation due to their practices on other media I do consume has not made me a fan of their pseudo monopoly.

glad that they've breathed new life into walt disney's finest creation, broly

@Kamen-Rider-555 you say that as a joke BUT now Disney own 20th Century Fox they actually own some distribution rights to DBZ movies AND own the rights to produce a live action one (and possibly even an animated one, imagine if Pixar made a DBZ movie)

so you could say that Broly is a Disney character

Well Then Uhhh wow I kinda like the old voice..

@Maelwolf You are innocent until proven guilty in the US, no exceptions.

@Maelwolf Not firing people because they were accused of something isn't dangerous. Firing people because they were accused of something is wrong.

We're not talking about ignoring accusations, or not going through due process. We're talking about firing and destroying the reputations of people before that due process has been followed.

A few of your specific statements subtly and I'm certain unknowingly tap into the kind of thinking that leads to very dangerous societies.

"quickly exonerated as they don’t put themselves into situations were they are 1on1 with a student or colleague in a room with blinds and doors closed, nor do they act like creeps."

There was a law in old samurai code that stated "a peasant acting in a manner other than that which is expected is to be punished by death." While I do understand your meaning, and I'm sure nearly everyone, myself included, is biased to thinking similarly, when evaluating legal and ethical ramifications of things, think upon that statement in more depth. The notion that someone who has atypical mannerisms, or an unexpected circumstance, or otherwise doesn't police all situations from a perspective of "how can someone use this against me" without actual wrongdoing, because every such condition lends credibility to possible false accusations is not a society I'd willingly choose to live in. Again, I do understand your meaning, and I admit to being equally guilty of said bias. But that's also why we DO need to adhere to due process and thorough outside investigations of claims rather than relying on our opinionated biases of "well that person seemed creepy", or "that person was in an unusual situation and therefore the claims are probably true." That's what the entire legal structure is there specifically to avoid happening.

That thinking is further reinforced by:

"In some cases there isn’t enough to build a full fledged legal case, but I’m sure happy they are not working with kids anymore "

An open statement of cases were there was insufficient or unsubstantiated evidence to make a legal case of wrongdoing. But you're happy it was treated as such anyway. I do realize childcare is a special consideration in all this for a variety of reasons, and can't be treated similarly to dealing with adults, so, again, I do understand your issue in that particular situation, but in the broader, legal, and social sense, the idea that a person in which there explicitly is NOT sufficient evidence for a legal case, on what grounds beyond "suspicion and hunch" can you defend that action? And is punishing people based on "suspicion and hunch" your idea of a just society?

Finally
"The fact that in this case the courts seem to have ruled against the accused seem to suggest his employers probably had a pretty good cause to want to get rid of him. "

Is a different way of saying "the ends justify the means." If in this case he was found guilty by due process, AFTER the company took punitive action against him, the temptation is to say "well it all worked out in the end." No, it didn't. Due process and human dignity were subverted. Nobody won. If he were found guilty and then punished as a response to his guilt, we could all cheer. But that's not what happened. Someone was punished because they were accused, and then, sometime after, investigation found the accusations to be valid. If they had found that the accusations were untrue, his career and life would be ruined due to "suspicion"
that was found to be fallacy.

Do you really want to live in a society that, if a colleague, perhaps someone you made an enemy of for career reasons, or personal reasons, decided to "suggest" anonymously or not, but with credible statements and mentions of "unusual" moments or situations you thought nothing of in your life, that you are a pedophile....and a few me toos that see advantage for themselves join in.....your entire life, reputation, career, and future become scrap for their ambition and vengeance......and you did nothing wrong, even if you are found innocent eventually? That's not a society I'd wish to live in.

@Kalmaro Sure, no one is arguing against that are they? That is a presumption specifically for the court of law, it’s never been meant to be used to harm victims and protect predators. I specifically said I don’t believe people should face criminal punishment unless convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn’t mean people should be immune to consequences for actions and behaviour outside of the court of law.

@Maelwolf You also said:
"When talking about harassment and in many cases even sexual assault, accusations and testimony are often all a victim has. Disregarding that is a lot more dangerous than the risk of false accusations."

That's what I was focusing on. Accusations and testimony should never be disregarded, but they should never be used as conclusive proof. Especially since anyone can make those up.

@OrganSeller I could be wrong, but I think the Super version of Broly spoke less lines then the DBZ version did in his debut movie.

The old Broly trash talked everyone and was pretty vocal.

On the other hand, the Super version of Broly never spoke to Goku or Vegeta during their fight, did not address Frieza, and barely spoke to anyone.

Only Kid Buu spoke less then him.

@Caryslan When you speak less then Kid Buu, you're doing something wrong.

@OrganSeller nah that's Vegeta

@NEStalgia Hey, you want to go on protecting the predators and making it more difficult for the victims to come forward go right ahead. I’m calling out your shoddy reasoning though. The court of law is not the end all solution for abusive behaviour.

People can make accusations against me, and they should be able to if anything warrants them. You’re trying to use the slippery slope argument again and it is ridiculous. Oh no, someone could make a false accusation against me, thus we shouldn’t lend accusations credence unless absolutely proven in a court of law. Yeah great, this is why so many cases of sexual assault and harassment go unreported. The reality is, cases of false accusations are nearly insignificant compared to the number of victims who don’t speak out for fear of people like you condemning them. I am not afraid of false accusations, and I have never felt the need to be. I do know women who are afraid of harassment and assault, and often this is due to experience.

But keep on defending the creeps, I’m done with you. It’s crap arguments like yours that keep attacking victims while pretending to be for some nebulous greater good.

@Kalmaro And again, you are talking about a court of law. Often victims of assault have come forward stating they know they don’t have enough to have the accused convicted, but making others aware is all they can do. What more can they do? Should victims shut up if they can’t prove beyond a responsible doubt? Should those that commit harassment and assault be free from repercussions? This paranoia about false accusations is not only ridiculous, it’s extremely harmful to victims of assault.

@Maelwolf - This paranoia about false accusations is not only ridiculous, it’s extremely harmful to victims of assault.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, a claim like this is a serious one, much like calling out fire. However, recent years there has been growing reports of false rape claims, which makes that more than paranoia, it becomes suspicion.

Now not saying people shouldn't speak out, but it's also a need to be aware of the environment this has created. And from it several will likely take advantage of it to stick it to someone or something they don't like. You're going to have questions asked, and I personally believe people need to push through it all. Cause it's likely not going to change back soon.

The point on this I noticed much is that people have already drawn their lines in the sand long before evidence came out, how little it all was. Even if Vic won his case, it would have likely been appealed by Rial/Toye. And those who were on their side are likelier to use the judgement as evidence that the system is corrupt and public defamation was absolutely needed. The same can be said about some now who has seen Crupp's judgement records as spotty to justify wrong-doing currently against Vic.

@Maelwolf I'm not sure how you're translating my insistence on following due process, investigation, and determination of guilt or innocence as the process by which the punishment and destruction of one's life and reputation is based as opposed to using accusation, suspicion, and the court of public opinion to form lynch mobs, corporate or private as being equivalent to "protecting predators."

Nor am I condemning anyone who makes an accusation. Merely that that accusation needs to be properly investigated, verified, and a verdict decided before you go condemning the people that happen to be accused.

You dismiss the idea of "false accusations" as insignificant, as though the suffering caused by such things is less important or destructive than the suffering caused by actual harassment on no basis beyond that it's a smaller minority group. Those victims also need to be protected. How do we balance the needs of one group of victims that have had their lives destroyed by false accusation with a group of victims that have had their lives destroyed by predators? Do we dismiss one as insignificant and sacrifice that group for the other? Or do we follow due process and not seek punitive action until it has been investigated?

In your statements that I'm defending predators and attacking victims, your are misrepresenting my actual comments, and you are forming strawman arguments I have not made to further the support of your own opinions.

@Maelwolf No one is telling them the shut up, not me at least.

What I AM saying is that they do not deserve more credibility than the person they are accusing when no evidence has been brought forth.

They are saying he did something, he said he didn't. That's all we got so far, as far as I'm aware anyway.

Until we have more to go on theres nothing else to say.

@Kamen-Rider-555 thank you faiz. Wise as always

@Caryslan being honest, all I remember broly doing through his three movies was grunting and saying "kakkarot," he's a lot more memorable for his strength lol

@Caryslan Actually Super Broly talked far more than OG Broly. OG Broly didnt say a word until Goku showed up, and that was just his name. Super Broly talked to the aliens who saved him and his father quite a bit. Og Broly did say a few lines during his fight with goku and the others after breaking free from his mind device. But that didnt last long as he soon reverted to just saying Kakarot.

@Maelwolf And no, if someone commits a crime then they deserve a punishment for it... Provided it can be proven they did something.

I am really sick and tired of this cancel culture crap.

@JayJ people have been speaking out against vic since the early 2000s, dude

@SquallLeonhart86 "Grow up," says the one spouting misogynistic rhetoric and "wimmins" unironically

@somebread And you are calling people you disagree with "misogynistic" unironcally.

Pot, kettle

@SquallLeonhart86 I dunno bro, saying "these women are bitter feminists and therefore lying" doesn't exactly sound non-misogynistic; when followed by "you need to grow up for saying le epic wimmins should be allowed to talk about harassment" doubly so

@somebread When did I say women cant talk about harassment? I clearly implied we shouldn't stop innocent until proven guilty becuase of the hollow argument that women may be afraid to come forward. You would have to need to do some growing up if you expect to ruins someone's career over unproven allegations and especially when Nick Rekieta pointed out inconsistencies in there allegations.

Let's be honest here, what's happening to Vic is nothing but a witch hunt

As for the stereotype of bitter feminists there is no denying bitterness is a common personality trait among them.

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@SquallLeonhart86 isn't rekeita the guy who set up a gofundme for this trial and then got blasted at said trial? i dunno if he's exactly the Utmost Authority on this kind of thing

@somebread Yeah but the transcripts proved it was an incompetent judge so there is room for appeal. Although admittedly Vics lawyer gave a poor performance.

@Maelwolf There's a reason it's like that in a court of law. Something you're incapable of understanding apparently.

It's not about protecting predators. The very notion of that is asinine and nothing more than an attempt to demonize your opponents. It's a bad faith stance for a bad faith argument.

@Kalmaro Yup, and that’s what sexual assault is so rarely reported. It’s notoriously difficult to prove, and the victim is often shamed and attacked for coming forward. Don’t try to pretend giving accusations of sexual assault the same credence as people denying it does anything but protects predators.

Look, a false accusation is serious, and I am totally onboard with consequences for making one, I’d also entertain arguments for for more severe civil and criminal punishments. However, false accusations are also very rare, whereas unreported sexual assault and harassment is far too common. Yet every time a high profile case comes forward, the same “concerns” are made about false accusations by groups way too eager to dismiss the accuser.

This is why I find people arguing about false accusations either extremely ignorant or disingenuous. They are pretending that is the big issue and addressing it is in the best interests of everyone, yet ignore how much harm minimizing the importance of an accusation is, and how powerless victims of abuse feel.

@MegaVel91 Er, I think you misread something about my understanding of the court of law then. Perhaps try reading my statements again.

@Maelwolf "However, false accusations are also very rare"

Nobody knows how rare they are as the studies show a huge margin of error

@SquallLeonhart86 The variation generally comes from the definitions of rape or assault used.

I'm just going to say it, they treated the man wrongly. No evidence at all supporting any of the accusations yet the whole world is out for blood! You can't take an accuser at their word alone! The woods are full of people who would accuse you of something if they knew they could somehow come out ahead. Accusing a celebrity is the quickest way to gain attention.

@Maelwolf I am going to need a citation stating studies showing that false accusations are rare and sexual assault and harassment is far too common.

I'm also going to need you to define 'too common'.

In any case, if someone comes with accusations and no evidence, then they should not be taken seriously since the other person can make the opposite claim. You NEED evidence.

Otherwise, you get fiascos like the Kavanaugh situation.

People were believing the woman despite her having no evidence at all.

@Kalmaro You really couldn’t do a quick google search? This is why I usually avoid threads like this. People regurgitate a lot of statements that have been repeatedly debunked, and I get highly suspicious of their motivation for “debating” a pretty clear cut issue. I’m never certain if questionable statements are done out of ignorance, or hostility towards women. This is really starting to look like the later, and I’m not biting anymore. Educate yourselves, and try to think of the harm you are doing before you dig yourself any deeper. I’m out.

@Maelwolf Do I need to quote you?

"Hey, you want to go on protecting the predators and making it more difficult for the victims to come forward go right ahead."

Which you said to NEStalgia.

Nobody want to protect predators or make things more difficult for victims. Literally nobody with an ounce of sense.

I maintain what you're doing in response to them is demonizing, and I'll add onto it that you're doing so in the manner of a strawman.

NEStalgia is correct in what he is saying. False accusations are not insignificant; if someone wanted to, anyone at my job could try making stuff up to try to get me fired from one of my jobs, and chances are I would be on the accusation alone, regardless of veracity.

That's why I personally choose to doubt both sides until one or the other come forward with evidence. When making claims against someone, evidence isn't necessarily king, and that is a bad thing.

The fact is there are twisted people in this world who are devious enough to try tear people down based on nothing. That is why claims need to be treated with utmost seriousness but at the same time with caution: cause if you end up being wrong, regardless of whatever sex or gender or whatever factor, then the person who got accused got screwed for nothing.

Also the claim the debate has anything to do with hostility towards women is utter crap. You have no clear evidence that anyone here is disdainful of women other than your own suppositions based on the fact that people here are debating you regardless of the nature of their statements, which was pretty damnably clear from the way you reacted to NEStalgia and Kalmaro in general.

So frankly speaking, you're not giving me much good reason to put stock in anything you're saying.

@Maelwolf Um... No. You're the one coming in and making claims about things you don't seem to want to back up.

Much like the women I've been talking about. People who just make claims and show no evidence do not impress me.

@Kalmaro Read above, I’m done. This thread has made me sick with the excuses some are giving for victimizing women further. I’m not reading responses anymore and will just ignore users that try. Seriously, stop making excuses, do some research, and smarten up before you do more harm.

@Maelwolf You can't say you're done when you never really started. You basically came in, made a bunch of claims, then got upset when people called you out on them.

If that's too much too handle then this may not be the place for you. Come with some evidence to back up your claims next time and things may go better.

@Maelwolf - Honestly your last statement creates the impression you came here looking for an unchallangeble claim. The blanket statement declaring that Vic is a monster and the actions against him are just, with anyone who points out clear flaws are just in support of monsters proves you didn't want debate, you wanted support for a statement.

Not a single one who challenge your claim seriously has shown evidence that they're out to silence victims. And that believing first leads to a lot of abuse to such a trusting act. You don't see it that way, but it doesn't grant evidence enough that the opposing council here is out to damage victims more.

It's like claiming I am pro-love, no one can really challenge that right? But if I go about punching people I didn't like in the name of pro-love, there will be people to challenge it. Those people are not pro-hate by default.

Mind you, this isn't coming from someone who has a concern over Vic or DBZ, defending him doesn't nets me anything. But I like facts more than I like people, so ignoring the flaws here doesn't grant me a good excuse to pay attention to the next set.

Have to live all the people acting like they've been in the fence about this 2 yr old game (a year if going by the Switch port only), but this dlc announcement is what they've been waiting for. Or trying to punish ArcSys and Bamco because FUNi's parent company (Sony) cut ties with someone over a year ago.

Doesn't the fact that Vic is credited for the classic DBZ Broly in the game show this isn't some bias from the devs? They needed someone to record the battle shouts.

@SciurusWorkshop Here’s the clout you ordered.

You think the reason we've never been visited by aliens is because they took a look at our internet and said "lol nope" and moved on?

Not even bothering to invade or destroy the planet because they know we'll eventually destroy ourselves anyway?

one thing thats odd is that sabat himself has been recently accused of doing much worse but somehow funimation studios keeps him even though he a great voice actor but doesnt mean they should of let him get away with it while vic gets fired right off the bat makes no sense.

C'mon Nintendolife! Get it together! You're all about riling up 34-year olds about Pokemon! Not about starting an all-out comment section war between incels and SJWs. That's what Twitter is for!

I mean, it’s not surprising they’ve replaced Vic, and I do really like JYB as a voice actor. But it still sucks Vic won’t be doing Broly’s voice.

anyway trying to get this back on topic as the mods don't seem to care but FighterZ had a update that adds the new Data to the game (although you can't download Super Broly yet) and i find it odd that they didn't bother changing the Old Broly voice

forgetting all the drama for now the character has been recast so you would think for consistency they would update the old one too but they didn't so this means that there are 2 Broly's in the same game and each have a different voice

that's just odd and in my opinion a little lazy

@Kisame83 Just fyi this isn't on Sony. It's on Funi. I know Sony owns Funi, but it is them (Funi) that fired the voice actor.

@The7thHokage1995 It’s been about ten years now, thank you. She had a hard realization, honestly a betrayal from another human. I don’t want to speak to her feelings but I’ve never been able to watch his work again. That’s why none of this has surprised me

@Rafie he wasn't sacked he is an independent voice actor like a lot of people who voice for funimation that's why some of them show up in Viz Media dubs for example, they just chose not to hire him on future products, there's a difference, he was sacked from RWBY though

and it was Sony who did the internal investigation into him and decided that funimation will no longer be using him, funimation broke the news but it was Sony's decision at the end of the day

This is what? Only a day in? And already there is a few discussing the horrible actions of JYB, or alleged horrible actions of JYB.

And it started this way with Vic, years ago, on the very same platform. Something to consider.

@FullbringIchigo Not sure why you wrote the first paragraph to me. I understand the Vic Mignogna situation.

Now to actual reply. It would be a plausible theory that Sony delegated a termination filing to Funi. However, I haven't seen anything saying that it was Sony that did this. Funi for sure. Although Sony owns Funi, I believe Sony lets Funi conduct their own investigation and let's them do their own HR work. It's why you saw Funi making the tweets and posts about him getting fired. If you have anything about Sony being the ones that decided this, please post it.

@Paraka Who is JYB?

@Rafie yeah that first part wasn't for you sorry

as for the investigation

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-07-29/mignogna-deposition-the-funimation-investigation/.149250

it clearly states Sony did the investigation and i'll post a qoute here for ease

"The decision was the result of an investigation by Sony Picture's executive director of employee relations Tammi Denbow that began on January 22"

@SquallLeonhart86 johnny yong bosch AKA the second Black Power Ranger AKA Ichigo in Viz Media's dub of Bleach

@FullbringIchigo Lol he is a disney princess!

@FullbringIchigo Then I stand corrected. Thank you for the article.
Hopefully JYB can make the character into his own and make it fit. He's a well polished voice actor, so I have faith.

@Rafie well some game play has been popping up and he sounds really good in the role although i'm not sure one game is enough to make a proper judgement though, i think we will have to wait for a few more games or maybe even another film or TV show until we can get a full idea about it

@FullbringIchigo thanks

@Hagemaru Yes, Broly was the last character in the second fighter pass. There are also rumors of a third fighter pass.

@Rafie

1. Even if that's accurate, that just makes my point about blaming ArcSys and Bamco over this.

2. That said, the way I heard it is Tammy Denbow opened the investigation. She's the Employee Relations Exec Director at Sony. Also, regardless of which company whoever gave him the papers worked for, Sony sets the conduct policy. It's noticably stricter than Funimations own policies were prior to acquisition. The jellybean thing, for example, wouldn't have gotten anyone in trouble in ten years ago. Sony cancelled a whole Spiderman franchise + spinoffs because Andrew Garfield missed an event and had a mild attitude about it lol. So yea, they had a hand in this once things turned publically unfavorable.

I have no clue why anyone gets so attached to dub actors anyways. True fans watch subs (not a serious comment I les you claim people complaining are not real fans, in that case, you not a fan if you just watch dumb dubs.)

On a serious note: my best friend has been working on various conventions for decades. This Vic guy sexually harassing minors is not news for anyone that has worked on a con he been at. He is a piece of garbage.

@Banemus SAME