We've had a double dose of Bayonetta this week thanks to the release of the first and second games on the Nintendo Switch, and the forthcoming third entry must rank as one of the console's most eagerly anticipated titles.
You'd think with the third game in active development PlatinumGames' Hideki Kamiya would have enough on his plate already, but he has revealed on Twitter that he's already mulling over concepts for the fourth Bayonetta outing.
We probably shouldn't be too amazed as this revelation; we imagine that Kamiya's head is packed with ideas for future sequels. However, it's interesting to consider exactly what he could have planned for the character in a fourth game - especially as we don't really know what shape Bayonetta 3 is going to take yet.
Feel free to let us know your hopes for Bayonetta 4 by posting a comment below.
Bayonetta teaches typing.
So Bayonetta isn't gonna be a guaranteed conclusion to the series, that's good. Would be interesting if it was a different witch (but then again it would still be called "Bayonetta").
I am perfectly fine with this.
He didn't give anything away, he just says he has some concepts for Bayonetta 4. His Tweet translated:
"Well, there is also the concept of the fourth work ..."
That's literally it.
I really need to resist the urge to triple dip on Bayo 1 and double dip on Bayo 2.
I laughed so hard to see non-Switch owners pissed that 3 is an exclusive, so I hope 4 is also an exclusive to continue the lols. 😂 After all the ridicule Nintendo fans have gotten over the years, this is priceless.
Just waiting on Amazon to deliver mine, never played it before, but used to like Devil May Cry (Back in the days of Playsation 2), so thought i would give this a go.
Totally fine with this
@SLIGEACH_EIRE 'Concept' in the loosest sense of the word. More like 'idea'. All he's saying is that he'd like to make another one if it's possible.
@Thisismycomment I love it, too. The salt is real with PS/Xbox fanboys.
Just make it now. Bayonetta 3/4 double back, I'll buy it.
Great! Make it - I'll pre-order it right now. Make and LE.
Pretty much a given we going to make 3 a hit on the Switch. Hell I'll even go get 2 right now if it helps.
@Thisismycomment @IronMan28 Yeah, it's just like Monster Hunter World on PC/PS4/Xbox
@Octane I don't complain about MH, but the port begging is insufferable.
@Octane It's a Google translation. I agree, "idea" is probably the better word to use. They mean the same anyway.
More Bayonetta is always a good thing. Is Kamyia the director of 3? He wasn’t for 2.
I was always assuming that Bayonetta 3 would probably be the last game in the series. But if he wants to continue and make a fourth game then by all means, go right ahead.
Don't worry Kamiya, Big Daddy Nintendo has your back... ing.
Honestly, I would rather see a version of SCALE BOUND on Switch. (I wouldn't mind a port of VANQUISH, either!)
This tells me that bayo 3 is well into its dev time, could be coming sooner than we think!
Yeah well platinum ruined there name with bad licensed products and the scalebound disaster. Worry about bayo3
While I enjoy the fact that Kamiya has tons of ideas I feel like Bayo has a story line that should reach a conclusion and I get a little nervous when creators just want to keep extending a franchise.
That being said can't wait for bayo 3 and if they do a 4 I will get that too.
I totally see myself triple dipping Bayonetta 1&2 in the next gen Nintendo console before buying Bayonetta 3&4 pack.
The math here is very simple sir. You keep making them and I’ll keep buying them. Deal?
Hey, Kamiya, any chance Metal Gear Rising might get ported to-gets blocked on Twitter
Given that the game Nier saved PlatinumGames from going bankrupt (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-08-15-hideki-kamiya-nier-director-saved-platinumgames), I think Kamiya is going to try and get as many contract games out of Nintendo he can.
@thewoosp not really. Just means the story could be bigger than the game is. JK Rowling worked on Harry Potter 5, 6 and 7 at the same time. This is the creative process.
Logically B4 should be a prequel.
@IronMan28 You must have forgotten about all the salt of Monster Hunter being 3DS exclusive before World came along.
@AlphaElite I don't know where you got that from my post, but that was also ridiculous. People complained for years. Kind of not getting your point...
Maybe finish part 3 first yeah? Not everything this company touches turns to gold.
Of course he is thinking about a fourth one. He's a creator. You are always thinking about other projects and where you could take your characters. This doesn't confirm Bayo 4 or anything. Just that he is thinking about possibilities. I would love to see this happen, but I haven't bought the first games yet. It will probably take me a few months.
@Ryu_Niiyama I don't know in this case....I feel like Bayonetta never really had a sensible story, so there's no much story to break. I mean she's centuries old already.....and good vs evil, inferno versus paradisio is an eternal battle.... this is probably the only video game that doesn't need a conclusion ever.
He needs to slow down, focus on 3 first, make it better than 2...and make the final boss epic this time.
Bayonetta 5 the hype is Real,readem and weep ps4 and xbone fan turds XD I Lubbbbbb my Nintendo Switch sooooo much.......
I’m going to put dragonquest builder on the back burner for now, Bayonettas calling 🔫🔫
I'll start saving now then
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If it happens, I'd 100% support that game. Any Bayonetta game is welcome in my book.
Because why not!.
Well now that Nintendo is involved you know we are getting atleast one new game per new console and I'd say it's safe to now say Bayonetta is now a Nintendo franchise , Ive read that Nintendo completely paid for production of 3 so I don't see the series going anywhere other than the Nintendo platform as well the Nintendo fanbase responded very good to Bayonetta in sells Bayonetta 2 managed to sell over a million copies on a failed console thats amazing in itself. Platinum makes the game Sega is owner of ip and Nintendo has bought all rights safe to say Bayonetta remaining a Nintendo exclusive.
COME ON REGGIE GIVE US MOTHER 5!
Makes sense storywise to think of the next game as you're working on the current. The more Bayonetta the merrier.
He needs make some other stuff too.
Bayonetta is the more safe game to platinum develop, get sucessful and fully backed. In the current situation, the fourth game probably will be a priority too till they recover.
May as well if Nintendo is gonna keep funding it.
@Joshua_Zarate Nintendo isn't the first or the only company to have many sequels. Gamers demand it and pay for it. How many times do we see new IPs passed over for a familiar one or complaints when an IP is taken in a new direction. shrugs That is the nature of entertainment, and humanity...we have short attention spans but are gluttons for entertainment. Also this is Kamiya's thoughts...nothing to do with Nintendo unless he pitches it to them and they accept.
@NEStalgia Yeah but Bayo isn't about the good vs evil. Her order is neutral...she just happens to be a outcast/forbidden child. The series so far has been her personal quests (and family drama...so 3 should feature her mom since we dealt with her as a kid both parents sorta and her dad both old and young) draped with the good vs evil in the back ground. If you took out WHO her parents are most of the fights she had to deal with likely wouldn't have happened...even if she was still an Umbran. She fights angels and demons but she isn't really trying to overthrow THEM and their order...they get in the way of what she is trying to do. She is sorta like guts from berserk but less likely to make me vomit. Stuff comes at her because of who she is but her concern is actually else where. She is essentially a Frodo...the story should be about Aragorn but nobody shuts up about that Frodo dude and what he is doing.
I'll laugh if we find out Jeanne or Rodin are the actual fated saviors of the world...especially Rodin given who he is hinted to be a expy for.
That means Bayo 3 is already done, ready to launch.
In Bayo 4, the witch is revealed to be a wizard. Yes, she used to be a man. Her name was Dante before the sex change.
@NEStalgia I don't think it's good vs evil. In both games, angels don't fight demons. Also, I don't think that the angels are good.
Nothing is more sweet than revenge. I hope this is only the beginning.
welcome to the family bayonetta. We're greeting you with open arms.
@Ryu_Niiyama True, the witches are neutral but as a balance between good vs. evil (balance may be too kind....opportunists between them? ) it still makes their position eternal.
And, I'll never really make sense of the story with her father. Even with readying synopses of the story it STILL falls into the typical "what did I just watch?" anime trope. Fortunately the world is awesome because the story is really...not all that. I mean I know WHAT the story is, I just can't comprehend how that's what the story is. It really is meandering, nonsensical, and honestly there's no way you can really figure out WHAT the story is by just playing the games. It's a good thing Kamiya's an amazing game designer because he's one of the worst storytellers I've ever seen.
Glad someone agrees that everyone should shut up about Frodo. I'm one of those nerds that knew the books waay before the move and would always be like "oh jeeze, another Frodo chapter....maybe I should just skip ahead..." But I'd end up enjoying it anyway. I get it, he's the "common folk" taking down the colossus. But he's not really interesting enough to spend that much page space on. To be fair though, the book did a better job at balance than the films do.
Also, I can't deny, Rodin is my favorite. He's the reason I kept paying attention to the story at all. Dude needs his own game, stat! Bayonetta 4: Name's Rodin, M*********'as.
@NinNin What Ryu said above is true about the story but it's really hard to figure out. Demons are evil...angels....also seem evil, which I'm sure is kind of a message on the hypocrisies of western religions where both good and evil are told to be controlling and iron fisted just in different ways. But in the game sense you kind of want to exterminate all of them.
Really, the story's just bad, badly told, makes little sense at all, jumps around the timeline, and they could really just throw any story at it and it wouldn't make less sense than whats there. "Fractured timelines, doing the same thing again, blah, blah, Bayonetta LXXXXVII.
@NEStalgia I love how angels are created in the Bayo universe though. It is very on the nose but I think it says a lot about the power of human belief. It's pretty much a collective super power of almost reality warping proportions...but considering that in many ways Aesir was just "human" (as in Aesir was good and evil...but the only problem was being a divine creator he could do ANYTHING including split himself in two and donate his body parts to the world to give it powerful relics) and his power was observation (which is why his eyes are relics and what he saw something to be made it so...kinda like human belief actually and since he gave humanity free will...also makes sense.).
Honestly, I don't consider either side "evil" as they have their realm that is rigid in what they think life (afterlife...human life too) should be like and think they know better than the other side ...they are more or less just fighting for populace. Which makes since considering the actual god of the bayo universe was neutral as heck (until his bad side got a god complex and the good side was pretty much a coward). No wonder humanity had to make its own gods pretty much.
I still think the Umbrans are neutral but they are just as much caught up in what they think should be and tradition (that was the entire issue with Bayo's birth was it not lol) and not enough doing actual...balance. Imo their job was supposed to be making sure pardisio and inferno each stay in their lane. Of course considering that Aesir whole thing about giving humans the power to CHOOSE and then everybody is still super rigid anyway makes me giggle. I would have wanted my power back too; humans don't know what to do with free will. Then again getting wiped out kinda didn't help the Umbrans.
The the whole thing with her family is time whimey (Not a fan of Dr. Who but it fits) anyway. I think it sorta makes sense but it is still a "you could have conveyed this same idea more coherently". Also the fact that you can understand it doesn't make it a good plot even if it was better written. But I take the world as it is presented. Besides look at devil may cry, Kamiya is big on being a grey rebel that is "cool" an he likes the grandiose trappings to up the emo angst and the "cool" factor. And way less on here is WHY stuff is happening and the effect beyond how it impacts the main character. Nice for character personality establishment...terrible for world building. However that is a typical Shonnen anime thought process.
I like Frodo, actually. My point was really if you read the trilogy Aragorn does all the "hero" work that you would expect in a fantasy series, not to say that what Frodo does isn't the lynchpin (hence why being the Frodo is a trope) but he is kinda average joe wandering around with both really bad and really great luck (both him and bilbo should have been dead within a week tops.) but Aragorn gets stuck in the support role. Although I think it presents him as a humble king as well so that is a plus in his favor. personally I would have just given Elrond the finger and rode off into the sunset with Arwen. Let Gandalf do his job.
@Ryu_Niiyama And you thought I was the one overthinking Link x Fi!
See this is what's so awful about it though. The story makes zero sense at any moment, and virtually never actually conceptualizes what is actually going on. You'd have to read the internet to get even the slightest idea, and even then there's radically different interpretations. Storytelling shouldn't require "interpretations" to even know what the actual story concept even is. It's a broken mess that is clearly so cool in concept and idea, but falls on every level and then ten more to actually portray the idea, before finally tumbling to that fun anime habit of just warping time, and character a is actually character b before magic merged them with character c, which is actually themselves before they were born, but the lead character must be merged with character b for a to merge with c before character d is resurrected. Character d actually being characters a and c merged, before the birth of a, due to b. But none of that matters because your real villain is now character e. Surprise!
Bayo 2 feels half retconned though you can trace story sense to it....Aonuma can trace story sense across the Zeldas, so I'm not too hyped about any tie between elements one can conjure. And ALL my understanding of story comes from reading it after the fact because while playing I really saw "fight cool statue thing" as most of the game.....with snippets of what could be cool story between if it made sense. (and people wonder why it's a niche game?)
Great gameplay. Great world. Story concept that COULD be cool but remains arguably the most broken and poorly told story I've ever seen from a game not named Final Fantasy. And might even put that to shame.
Beautiful example of it's bad brokenness. Jubileus, according to Kamiya, has the personality of a 16 year old girl. Did you get that from the game? Did you get a sense of Jubileus having ANY personality at all? Because I sure as heck didn't.
DmC actually makes much more sense narrative, though. Bayo's the cooler world, but DmC (probably due to the Capcom handlers) made much more sense. But you're right about grandiose trappings and cool factor. Which between him and Kojima makes me wonder how they cut it in the otherwise typically excellent world of storytelling in Japan! Those two are cut from the same cloth. Personally that's not a good thing, but sales say otherwise... I think I'll skip town if they ever collab.
The whole point of LotR was the commoner having the real power of course...so the Frodo point is critical...but....he was often so boring and his story segments so long..... It's just a pet peeve of mine. The Battle of Hornburg Deep lasts like 4 pages while we spend 150 sifting through Frodo's backpack. Gandalf is too busy hiding from the thing to bother with taking care of srs bsns.
If they keep making them, I'll keep buying them. All he's saying is that they have ideas. There were similar comments made about making a third installment.
Nintendo really has their finger in the cake now, so it wouldn't surprise me if they continued to ask for more (maybe one game per gen). It's safe to say that Bayonetta has become an unofficial Nintendo franchise. It'd be interesting to see if they ever try to outright buy the IP from Sega.
@NEStalgia side eye Most of what I said was in the games (Aesir is the one that gave free will and his eyes to the world. He is also split into two people...that is the premise of 2, priests commit suicide to become angels...) you were getting to fan-fiction level romance between blade and wielder and ignoring that it doesn't have to be romantic to have a strong sense of love between the two (however because classical education is dead, all love is Eros now and Agape and phillia gets tossed out the window) between the two. Do you think that Girahim is in love romantically with Demise?
No offense but I'm not taking any speculation of a dude as to what the personality of a 16 year old girl would be. It will be off base anyway.
Storytelling is FULL of interpretations. Being coherently told doesn't stop that. We have entire religions built upon people interpreting however they want, even statements that were clearly written. As with Aesir's power, perception is our reality. Also storytelling is often not (to my great dismay) about precision of language, but instead about evoking an emotional response often at the expense of logic and coherency(another way classical education has been abandoned). But I suppose "vidya gamez".
@Ryu_Niiyama Certainly Aesir's split is central to the 2 story, and is (sort of) in the game, however the whole time travel arcs, the aesir/jubileus arc, etc is about as crystal clear as L.A. air on a mid-July day.
I was just prodding about Link x Fi (though I was originally clear that I saw it as an unrequited love story more on Fi's part which was actually fairly depressing...) But it's more fun to say it's a Link x Fi ship (which you started)
Girahim and Demise, I think it's pretty clear neither are capable of love, or much else positive as Demise is the embodiment of darkness itself (a very concept that breaks the Zelda theme and I'll never forgive Aonuma for sticking us with), and Girahim is is a little more than slightly insane weapon.
Well, you can take a guess as to what Kamiya's interpretation of a 16 year old girl would be based on the fact that he said that at all, and his other works, characters, caricatures. Bratty/unstable/unpredictable are the vibes I'm getting from his statement and overall character approach. In his mind, Jubileus is that.....somehow. Even if he meant reserved and studious in the stereotypical Japanese schoolgirl vein.....I'm still not seeing that in Jubileus. Or much personality at all really. I'm really just seeing a giant creature enemy boss for the sake of a giant creature enemy boss ripped right out of arcade design. Wonderful for a great action game....not so much on the story side.
What you said is interesting about "story telling being about evoking an emotional response at the expense of logic"...I've never heard that before. That explains why I just write off about 90% of film and game story ans incoherent drivel. Here I thought they were all just badly written and directed. Now you're telling me that's an intentional effect. I'm not sure that's an effect of classical education being abandoned but more like insanity being embraced as normal for the sake of artistry.
"Vidya gamez" pretty much sums it up here. Kinda my point from the start Not just vidya gamz but....Kamiya..... It's just kind of his thing, especially without Capcom handlers to keep him focused. Much as I hate Capcom....someone really does need to restrain Kamiya for his own good sometimes. Kojima as well. Not looking forward to Naked-oil-guy: The Game. Knowing how off the rails he goes WITH oversight....I don't want to see where he goes without it.
@NEStalgia Half intentional effect sure and half the populace is satisfied with that so why do more? Idiocracy in full force really. I am working through Aristotle's collected works and had a coworker do a double take when I explained (Because he was nosy and asking me why i was reading it) that no it wasn't for a class and yes I'm reading it for fun. Same reason why people mostly argue (classical definition of word not current connotation) with pathos only. Which drives me up the wall.
I wasn't disagreeing that the story of bayo is bad... just that it does follow a path that you can go "this is why this happened....yeah its stupid but this is the reason" more or less. It looked like you were saying it was a bad story and nonsensical (as in you can't follow the in game reasoning behind the plot) its a ball of yarn yes but the yarn can be unraveled. it will be ugly, frayed yarn but still an intact string of yarn. My other point was that i took the material as presented and liked some of the themes (just all together its a "You thought this sounded cool didn't you.").
"Bratty/unstable/unpredictable are the vibes I'm getting from his statement" - I get told often I'm not your average bear (I take heavily after my mom and a number of my aunts so I'm like "sure Jan" but hey) , but I went to public school and spend most of my time if I can help it among my fellow females and I don't understand these views as a norm by some guys. Are some teenage girls like that? Sure, but some boys (and a lot of men) are like that. So....not sure why "16 year old girl" became the label is beyond my ken.
What's wrong with naked oil guy? You had that one soldier in V (game is in cellophane somewhere so i dont know her name and im too lazy to google right now...plus at work.) in pretty much a bra and a big gun. What's the difference? Let the Hetro females and Homo males enjoy their eye candy. (or you know stop making people sexual objects in general but at this rate equality is the lower hanging fruit).
So we still disagree on the type of love that Fi would have for link which was my point in this and back when we first started that convo. Not all love is Eros. But our sex addled society is obsessed with it. But agree to disagree. My comment about demise/ghirahim falls into that. Due to the various types of love and the fact that love does not need to be altruistic to exist but again we are caught up on sappy Eros. Counter example Airy and her master. Her love was onesided but its the love of a servant for a master not romantic. Which has been the point Ive maintained. However agree to disagree is fine.
While a case of pot meet kettle.....I still think you're making sense of Bayonetta's storytelling because you're overthinking it and filling holes that aren't there. I'm guilty of much the same all too often, but you're seeing a whole ball of yarn that that the moths got to long, long ago
I suppose my problem is if the pieces don't actually make sense I inherently cut them and store them in pieces waiting for a sensible link that never happens, so they remain isolated and disjointed in my mind. In that way maybe I'm the one overthinking everything.
As for the 16 year old girl stereotype....sure it doesn't apply to all girls but it's common enough that it's the first thing you tend to think of. Not just guys, find any parent that doesn't dread when their girls are around 16 It's the first thing most people think of. Raging hormones and all that. For boys it manifests differently usually....that's what nets us the dudebros. Like you, those cliches never applied to me, but I certainly was aware of it all around me back then. It applies accurately enough often enough I'm not uncomfortable generalizing for conceptual purposes in that most people understand what your'e talking about.
I don't really have a problem with "naked oil guy" being a naked oil guy. My problem is that a naked oil guy is a thing at all. I wouldn't be much more pleased with "naked oil girl" either. It's a video game, not Skinemax (do people still call it that?) That goes back to the dudebros (chicsis in naked oil guys case? Need to invent a word) and the overall immaturity common in gaming. Of course the treehouse ladies were a little too obsessed with shirtless link (imagine if the guys spent 20 minutes drooling over Pyra on air....I guess that's what the XBox booth is for....), but it was honestly funny. Immature or no.
I suppose lower hanging fruit, or no, you're into classical lit. Classical art isn't much different. Humans have always objectified both genders....at some point it's only fair to accept that's a natural behavior for humans and shed the puritanism......BUT that doesn't excuse the infantile abuse of it in both film and gaming either. (I always defend that point and you probably imagine by now I'm one of those chauvinistic peacocks, or worse, a dudebro, which couldn't be farther from the truth.....I'm really taking a sidelines approach and 3rd person perspective including devils advocate from both perspectives, and watching the hypocrisies in the concepts that are often discussed and pointing out the natures of it. So I defend the objectification, not because I have a strong opinion on it at all or am defending my own viewpoint, but rather looking at it all from the whole of what exists, what has always existed, and how most humans behave (sugar spice and everything nice being a quaint myth.)
Airy....I would argue that wasn't "love" so much as "adulation" (mixed with a bit of pathos...) I suppose one could say that's a form of love, but it's a very specific construct.
@Octane Yeah and the Monster Hunter fanbase ridicule us Nintendo fans about how we stole monster hunter from them
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