Super Mario games are a highlight of any Nintendo console cycle, with titles like Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Sunshine providing players with hours of enjoyment over the past few decades.
However, as the years have progressed and development commitments have lengthened, we're typically seeing a single mainline 3D Mario game per console generation (Super Mario Galaxy 2 being the notable exception). That means in statistical terms at least, the Switch is about to get its only 3D Mario outing in the form of Super Mario Odyssey.
However, Nintendo's Yoshiaki Koizumi doesn't think this is a "hard and fast rule" which has to be adhered to:
I'm obviously considering lots of things for the future. In terms of Super Mario Odyssey and whether there would be a sequel, the first game hasn't even come out yet so it's very tough to say at this stage whether there would be a sequel or not. I'm first and foremost just hoping that Super Mario Odyssey is a success. And secondly, yeah, with the Nintendo Switch lifecycle again it's very early — who knows how things will turn out? As you say, in the past maybe there's been one 3D title per hardware generation on average, but I wouldn't say that that's a hard-and-fast rule that would have to be adhered to.
Do you think we'll see another 3D Mario adventure on Switch? Or would you prefer it if Nintendo did another 2D Mario outing in the New Super Mario Bros. sub-series? Let us know with a comment.
Please don't be a super Mario bro's Wii clone.
I'll be patient
Would love some DLC for Odyssey if not a sequel. A remake of an older 3D game would be awesome too (I’m thinking Sunshine).
If they go the 2D route, please no “New” series. They are SO bland.
A brand new game
I don't care, just bring in more 3D Mario. They're the cream of the crop in the video game landscape
I know this would never happen but...re-imagine the Mario Bros. Arcade in 3D?
Shields own face from tomatoes!
I guess it'd be Odyssey 2, using the same engine and ideas cut from Odyssey, a la Galaxy 2.
I believe Odyssey started life on the Wii U before it got moved to Switch. So ya, I don't see why there can't be another one on the Switch. The Wii U never got a true 3D Mario game. It didn't get a lot of stuff. No Metroid and other major games, sure BOTW arrived as the Wii U was being lowered into the ground. Why did that console fail again? It will depend on how long the Switch is around for, but the engine is there now.
3 of the top 5 games of all time on gamerankings are 3d Mario titles. 4 of the top 10. But 2d Mario titles tend to sell more.
Well hopefully not too soon. One of the reasons Odyssey has so much hype and excitement and inevitable success is because they showed some restraint and waited for 4 years before releasing another mainline Super Mario game. Unlike in the previous few years where it seemed like they were in danger of churning them out (like New Super Mario Bros 2 and New Super Mario Bros U coming out within 3 months of each other...) which inevitably led to a big decline in sales and interest (despite what the "You can never have too much Mario!" brigade were saying at the time).
I think we'll see another, different Zelda too. Switch rules!
Or Odyssey 2 with co-op...
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Apparently, they started brainstorming after 3D World released (late 2013). They didn't really get anywhere major until they had an Eureka moment after playing around with the Switch Joycons which resulted in the Cappy based gameplay that Odyssey is based around. Considering when 3D World was released, this does seem to suggest that a working prototype of the Switch already existed by the end of 2013.
So unlike Zelda, the development for Odyssey was still extremely early stages prior to moving to the Switch (if you can even call it moving).
On a side note, it looks like Zelda was in development 1-2 years before they had a working prototype of the Switch. Considering Zelda's 5 year development, they would had plenty of time to decide if they wanted to port it to the Switch.
> I'm [...] just hoping that Super Mario Odyssey is a success.
Seriously? Like there's any chance it won't be?
@GrailUK Well, that pretty much goes without saying, as BotW on Switch was just a port of the Zelda designed for Wii U. Just as TP didn't count as Wii's Zelda, which is why we got SS, BotW definitely doesn't count as the Switch's Zelda either. A true Zelda for Switch should still be expected.
Spend a TON of time on a GREAT engine with that ridiculous ton of Nintendo polish and then use that engine to make sequels in the form of DLC, that's developed AFTER the game has been produced within the project scope. This is such a duh - seems to be their direction. Doing this fixes everything, you don't get either extreme: huge delays amounting to an entire childhood passing between games nor do ya get rushed along in development games like Sunshine. All that sequel DLC pays for any extra time polishing the AAA IP, plus is cheap to distribute, plus doesn't send a message of "we've run out of ideas and are only doing sequels" cuz psychologically it still feels like it falls under the umbrella of the original game as an extended experience. And at the end of it all, who here likes Majora or Galaxy 2 more than the original?
I'd love for there to be a Mario Galaxy 3 on Switch. That way, the Switch would have both an open-exploration and a linear platforming-focused Mario title.
I would love for the new Mario to explore more worlds based around what 3D World had, a lot of them had very interesting concepts. And hopefully add some pixies to the Mario world, they were adorable; Sad to see that they weren't added to Mario Kart 8.
I would love a new Donkey Kong 64 (the 3d world) it was amazing and would love for tiny (or candy, can't remember), chunky and lanky to come back.
It would be unacceptable if there is only one. There should be at least three 3D Mario's on the Switch, if not 4.
I think it's a bit soon to be worrying about another 3D Mario on Switch. Let the game come out first, for crying out loud. What keeps 3D Mario games of such high quality is the fact that they take their time making them, instead of annualizing the series until it's dead and buried.
With how early Odyssey is coming out in the Switch's lifespan, I suppose it would be possible to see another 3D outing.
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Oh, about next 3D Mario games on Switch.
I don't expect much. As long still Cartoonish as ever, Open World, Full of Customize, Brand New Enemies, Changed plot (Not Damsel in distress again), i will glad to see next 3D Mario games.
I want to see another 3d Mario, Mario kart 9 and Zelda on switch. I think this is the way forward for Nintendo. We might get a full 5 years of support for it too which would make sense -especially if there is no successor to the 3ds and switch is the only option for portable and console play.
Switch 2 can wait...
This is all very nice but I'm hoping Deluxe doesn't preclude a new Wario Kart on Switch.
@Dang69 Galaxy 2 was a better game than the original and I played both to death. I even ran down galaxy with Luigi and got 120 power stars with him as well. Pretty much everything in galaxy 2 was better than the original.
Luigi's Mansion 3 and Mario strikers switch, because they would be awesome.
You could be right as the Wii U never did get a proper traditional 3D Mario, 3D world was more of a 2D game in a 3D setting.
You can never have too many 3D Mario games, it's what we all live and breathe for so any sequel would be welcome.
Saying that I'd be more than happy with a sunshine HD remastering
@flightsaber I’ve played that game, Mario Clash on Virtual Boy, and despite criticism, it’s fun!
If the switch does well , and right now that seems to be the case I suspect we see another 3d Mario in the future
+1, also I want a Mario 3D world 2, add more characters and add more difficult.
I'm in the camp of really wanting DLC for Odysseus I know I haven't even played it yet but given the trend of season passes, having a couple packs of new kingdoms to keep me coming back to this would be great, it's not like Mario hasn't had DLC before (NSMB2), it's not like Nintendo hasn't done first party DLC on the Switch (BotW), and I mean come on, if we got DLC for a ZELDA game (a franchise I never was certain would fit with DLC due to its story driven nature - I realize BotW's shift and style made this more possible but so does Odyssey's) then surely they could've done so with this. My hopes aren't high as I've seen no mention of it and it comes out tomorrow but I'm still super excited, I wish I got it digitally so I could play it at midnight but Amazon Prime discount...
Odyssey 2 would be sweet, especially if we get it on Switch!
@Grawlog hah that's exactly what I thought!
I want everything and more. I want it all. Just gimme. Gimme your all
I can honestly see them use some assets in Odyssey to make a 3D Land 2 and appeal to a multiplayer market.
No Galaxy 3 please. I'd love to see a co-op game in Odyssey's engine.
I just want Mario Maker 2. That and Odyssey would be enough I think.
I would be surprised if there is not a Super Mario 3D World sequel at some point in the future on the Switch.
It would be nice to see another entry in the Super Mario 3D "something" saga. 3D World on WiiU with 4 players was fantastic.
Also, I´d love to see a Super Mario Maker 2, with the ability to create a whole game, with "worlds" and so, and to add a second player.
Galaxy 3 would also be interesting to have in the last years of Switch.
Eh, why not? I mean, sure, more people buying the Switch also means more third party support. I mean, there's no direct causality, but still.
So yeah, Nintendo, another money-printer won't hurt.
I wouldn't be surprised. They did it with the Wii (Galaxy 1 + 2). And obviously Odyssey is a good game (it has the same score as both galaxys and even BOTW right now, but that's most likely going to change) so it would make sense to use the same mechanics just add new worlds and new enemies and stuff.
Just give us DLC or a Luigi 3D Adventure (since atm it looks like you can only dress Mario as him and not be real Luigi. )
I’d like the team to create something new (and I’m sure they would too), it’s also good from a creatively point of view not working on Mario after Mario titles.
During the Wii U years they also did Captain Toad and (I think) NES Remix.
IS LUIGI EVEN IN ODYSSEY??? have not seen anyone say. if not, no buy. biggest mistake in mario64 and sunshine.
And if not, then we need....................
If they go 2D, please be Maker.
I want another Super Mario 3D ____ game, Super Mario 3D World was fantastic.
G A L A X Y 3 P L S
@flightsaber could be interesting
@Dang69 I for one like Majora's Mask more than Ocarina Of Time.
And I like it better exactly for the opposite reasons to those you listed in your comment: MM is special exactly because it's not OOT2, nor does it ever pretend it's trying to.
I think what makes it really stand out is that, while being a sequel, it shares only a few fundamental traits with OOT, pushing them in a brave new direction which, you'll reckon, is pretty different from its predecessor, in both mechanics and "atmosphere".
I'm not saying straight sequels that "simply" expand upon their predecessors (e.g. SMG2) are less valuable, but they're the kind of games that, in the contemporary videogame landscape, would make more sense as multiple, staggered DLC releases tied to their predecessors.
@Dang69 Majora’s Mask is way better than OOT
@Dev Another Mario isn't even remotely as reasonable as another Zelda, since Switch hasn't even got its own Zelda for the new gen yet-- just a port of the last gen's Zelda designed for Wii U. While a second Mario for Switch would be a nice bonus, a current gen Zelda is a basic necessity we haven't gotten yet.
I think we’ll get BotW 2 and Odyssey 2 before the Switch is done.
There probably will be another big Mario game on Switch. Super Mario Odyssey was going to start on Wii U but Nintendo moved it to Switch before starting development. It would make sense to get another big Mario game on Switch.
Would love to see Daisy appear in a real Mario game again.
Definitely not Complaining If Nintendo makes a Sequel to Odyssey or Another 3D Mario Game 😁
I’d like em both. Gimme an Oddesy sequel and a New Super Mario Switch sidescroller. And a Zelda Maker
Sorry but I'm with @SLIGEACH_EIRE on this one.
Comparing Mario 3D world to those other games you mentioned is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. You could argue that they are both fruits but that's where the similarities start and end.
People always get defensive when someone says that 3d world wasn't a true 3d Mario game and I've never understood why.
No one ever said it was a bad game, just that it's different from your traditional 3d Mario games... The trouble is when you say its different people assume that's a bad thing and it isn't. It's still a fantastic game in its own right.
Alot of people just believe that 3d world (and 3d land for that matter) are possibly in a category of their own due to having the mechanics of a 2d game in a 3d setting.
Again it's not a bad thing, just makes it a different type of game
@Metrazi + a decent paper mario and i am happy
Well for what it's worth I agree with him, I don't believe it to be a "true 3D Mario game" either
Its more of a 2D game in a 3D setting
In a true 3D Mario you have to explore and solve puzzles to find the hidden star, shine (or moon in our latest offering), not simply run to a flag pole at the end of a linear level before the timer runs out.
The Wii U is my least favourite console because it never got a true 3D Mario game and I still feel slightly cheated over that.
As I've said previously 3D world was a very good game in its own right, it just didn't quite fill the same void as previous entries ie Mario 64, sunshine and galaxy 1 & 2
I did indeed play it, to 100% completion (admittedly with a little help from game explain on YouTube with some of the trickier levels and stamps towards the end lol)
I don't care much for Zelda games so can't really comment on that to be fair.
I've spent the majority of today playing Mario Oddesy and that is the very definition of a true 3D Mario game
As I've said before 3D world was a brilliant game so I don't want you to think I'm bashing it because I'm not, I've just always viewed it as more of a 2D game in a 3D setting.
If I did have one criticism of it it was having to hold the run button down when you want to dash.... But then I guess that's what you do in a 2D side scroller so I can see why they did that
Even though I'd like to see a linear, platforming based 3D Mario game ala Galaxy to complement Mario Odyssey, I just can't imagine playing a Mario game without Cappy anymore.
@clvr I was more talking about using the same game engine to create more content, that functions like a sequel without having to waste the unnecessary time to build something from the ground up. Galaxy 2 is a refinement and improvement, Majora is fresh and new while still building off of what came before. Is why I want DLC style sequel content using the games they've already spent so much time on...you either turn out an even more polished game or a fresh experience that often times are better than the source material. As for me, I played Galaxy 2 first (was what was available) and played Majora as an adult, and Ocarina as a kid, so my perceptions are skewed as subjective favs.
Maybe another 3D Mario at the end of the Switch lifespan (or on its succesor).
There's really no rush, with more then 800 moons and 15 worlds the game seems gigantic!
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@flightsaber Super Mario Clash was actually made to be a 3D version of Mario Bros. lol
@westman98 I mostly agree with you except that I feel that Galaxy 3 should stand out from the first two games by being nonlinear similar to the gameplay of Super Mario 64, but Galaxy-style with the Koopalings added to the mix at the end of each part of the worlds (or hub world).
Mario Odyssey is already non-linear.
Mario Galaxy and its sequel were amazing because of the impeccable and straightforward level design. Mario Galaxy 3 should expand upon that. IMO not every game needs to be non-linear/exploration-based/open-world.
What I do think would be cool is if Cappy was in Mario Galaxy 3.
@westman98 I think Galaxy 3 should be nonlinear in order for it to stand out and not be a rehash of the first two games. I can understand it being linear if it were the first game in the series, but it needs to feel like a brand new game (yet have the same feeling as the first two at the same time). For instance, Super Mario Bros. and the Japanese version of Super Mario Bros. 2 (The Lost Levels) felt like the same game because The Lost Levels felt more like an exansion as the first game whereas Super Mario Bros. 3 felt entirely fresh and new, yet still had that similar feel. I can understand the first sequel of a game have almost identical gameplay, but a third installment needs to feel fresh and not like a rehash. Don't get me wrong because the Galaxy games are my favorite Mario games, but it shouldn't feel like the exact same thing at the same time. You see where I'm going?
I just don't want Galaxy 3 to be "Mario Odyssey on spherical planets." IMO There are so many ways to Nintendo to innovate outside of making the levels open-ended (which was something they did with Mario 64/Sunshine - the idea of open-ended levels is nothing new).
But I'm sure any future 3D Mario game on Switch will be amazing regardless of whether the game is linear ala Mario Galaxy or open-ended ala Mario Odyssey, so no matter what direction Nintendo pursues, I'm all in.
@westman98 As far as linear goes, maybe a sequel to 3D World, but Galaxy 3 would feel more different (or less the same) being nonlinear than it would being linear. That's mainly what I'm trying to say.
@westman98 I should probably also add the emphasis that the Galaxy games have never been nonlinear before and just because it's nonlinear doesn't mean it will be like Odyssey. Mario 64, Sunshine, and Odyssey were open-ended and still felt like completely different Mario games. It would also be a lot easier for Nintendo to innovate with Galaxy 3 if it were open-ended. If you look at the New Super Mario Bros. games compared to Mario 64, Sunshine and Odyssey, I'm sure you'll see what I mean (not that I don't like the New Super Mario Bros. games).
And I don't agree with yours which is fine, if we all thought the same things the world would be a pretty boring place wouldn't it.
Will I have to wait another 3 months for you to reply? 😛
I don't care which one, as long as there is one. So far I am pretty disappointed in all games other than Super Mario Odyssey. Also, the "2-player" on Odyssey was a joke. Did anyone like that?
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