With Super Mario Odyssey due to come out in just a matter of hours, fans are quite eager to see what Nintendo’s modern interpretation of the old 3D Mario formula will look like. The 2D Mario games, on the other hand, are a bit of a mystery. It seems like Nintendo is done with the divisive “New” sub-series, so what’s next for the plumber’s sidescrolling escapades.
Game Informer interview Miyamoto back at E3 and only just now published a portion of the interview where the developer discusses the 1980’s era art for Mario. Here’s what he said:
We’re at almost like a turning point. When you look at Mickey Mouse there is the classic Mickey Mouse, and then there is the modern Mickey Mouse and the classic one has a lot of flavor to it and the modern Mickey Mouse looks really great, but it is losing a little bit of the flavor, and that’s something we discuss to make sure we keep that intact as we’re creating characters. And of course the development team for any Mario game may want to use Kotabe’s art, but there is also a character-development team that’s really working hard to create new styles and new work. Once they get more work done, I think more and more of that will be reflected into games.
We did a collaboration recently with Uniqlo where it was a contest for people to send in drawings, and like that we want to continue create and evolve new art styles.
… I do believe that Mr Kotabe’s art has become kind of a standard within Nintendo, but we definitely want to continue to see if we can evolve that as time goes by.
Miyamoto was then asked if a Rayman Legends-like Mario game could ever exist; here’s what he said:
I think there’s many different ways we could do it. But at the same time, if you ask some elementary school kids, a lot of them don’t recognize or don’t know the Mario from Mr. Kotabe. All they’ve seen is stuff from 3D Mario or 3D Mario World. So, I think our challenge is going to be trying to bring awareness to that side of Mario moving forward.
Finally, Miyamoto was asked about remaking Super Mario 64 (again) and he expressed interest in ports of classic games, possibly alluding to the Virtual Console. Here’s what was said:
We have a version of Mario 64 on the DS, and as you mentioned there are Zelda ports on the 3DS, but rather than focus on trying to remake them, I would rather if we were to think about porting them, focus on more recent titles, but using the unique gameplay elements of the Switch. When you think about the playstyle of the Switch it would be great if I could play all classic games on it.
What do you think? Would you like to see a Mario game with visuals like that old 2D art? What would you like the next 2D Mario game to be like? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
[source gameinformer.com]
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VC confirmed. I don't care what anyone says.
That antiquated art style was already exploited in Mario Maker...Give us something new. A brave jump as big as Wind Waker’s. Surprise us, Nintendo!
Rework Sunshine for the Switch! Let's-a go!
I for one would love a hand-drawn Mario game in the style of Rayman Legends.
A new, true 2D Mario would be great. I mean, games like SMW or SMB3 are very much available to kids today, so I think many more know of that style than Miyamoto gives credit for, but ultimately it's in Nintendo's control, they've chosen to release... 4 NSMB games? NSMB isn't bad but we've had it enough, it's boring and overused. I feel it first was used on DS because 2D games weren't cool when 3D was newer, but since then 2D games have come back into style, we could have a beautiful 2D Mario game if they tried. I'd personally love that.
@MasterLink I wish. I'm tired of waiting for it. The Switch would be ideal for VC, in my opinion. Besides, can we finally have GameCube VC? There's a lot of titles I would like on my portable Switch...
Port them! Switch is the penultimate console for VC support and Virtual Console is my #1 want on the system in terms of features!
This makes me so excited! Old Mickey Mouse is timeless just like classic Mario!
Also when are we gonna get this Odyssey review Nintendo Life?!
@Danpal65 I'd like to see a 2-D Mario Sunshine game that'd be fun!
Mario + Rabbids Prime.
I'd love love love a 2D mario game with hand drawn sprites.
Metroid too. It'd be soooo glorious.
3D for 2D games looks okay, but man, nothing beats hand drawn animation.
Proper 2D Mario, please! Super Mario World is still my all-time favorite of all the Mario games ever.
Hand drawn art looks great in some games (Wario Land Shake It! comes to mind), but I don't think it would be a good fit for Mario. I personally love the "New" series, but I have to admit it may be time for change, but they need to find the perfect art style for a new 2D Super Mario game.
No matter the art style, I wanna have a 2D Mario that is REALLY different from anything done before it, something that is more than just adding a new item or two and making new levels that may or may not have been from this or any other 2D Mario game. A few years ago, I would‘ve suggested going for anti-gravity but I feel like this has been explored enough in the Galaxy games.
How about making Bowser a playable character and have Wart return as the villain this go-around? Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser, each with their own abilities, consumable items and so on. Or why not a third Mario Land with Mario teaming up with Wario? I don‘t know, my head‘s too full of Odyssey to think straight atm.
A Rayman style Mario would be amazing!
@GoldenGamer88
I have been asking for Wart to come back for years!
Maybe a new version of Super Mario Bros 2 would fresh things up!
@Meaty-cheeky Definitely, anything but the classic SMB gameplay would be welcome in my book.
My favourite Mario art era was the drawings in the Mario World and Mario 3 manuals.
Luckily for me that style has been well used lately, like in Mario Run and the still 'photograph' images from Mario 3D World.
It's ok that they innovate and move things forward now. Nintendo always eventually brings old things back around anyway, which I love.
Anything to shake up the staleness of the recent 2D Mario games.
@thesilverbrick ive always wanted a 2D Mario in UbiArt. It would look wonderful.
Mario meets Daffy Duck as they Both Rescue Both Peach & Melissa Duck from Bowser & Zod (The Looney Tunes Show '2013' Episode Finale "Super Rabbit").
Both Mario & Daffy Duck are Both Based off of Disney Characters Mickey Mouse (Mario) & Donald Duck (Daffy Duck) As there Female Counterparts Based off of Minnie Mouse (Peach) & Daisy Duck (Melissa Duck) as their Nenemis Counterparts Based off of Pete (Bowser) & Morlock (2000 Donald Duck: Goin' [email protected]*) (Zod) that would be very nice to see that happen.
@Danpal65 oh goodness yes! Sunshine is sorely missed! Something about the whole games cheery sunny vibe mixed with brutal hard "Classic stages" makes this my favourite of them all.
Just no more “New” Super Mario series... I beg you, Nintendo.
@thesilverbrick Hand drawn 2D Mario sounds like a dream come true.
@crackafreeze you're amazing! How did you know Nintendo Life would give Mario Odessey a 10? Are you psychic?
@crackafreeze you're amazing! How did you know Nintendo Life would give Mario Odessey a 10? Are you psychic?
I get his point about Mickey. But I feel that more so has to do with Disney not really using Mickey to his fullest potential. Whether it's old style Mickey or modern Mickey (I enjoy both the Mickey shorts and his Disney Junior offerings), it's a crime that out of the 50 or so animated feature films, not one was about or starring him (Fantasia doesn't really count).
I don't think Mario, whatever style he's in, is in danger of losing his charm. I've found all of his iterations to be Mario in nature (even if some games are better than others as far quality goes). It would be interesting to see a Mario game in that old 80's style or as some have suggested, in the Rayman Legends style. That would be killer.
And Nintendo is sitting on a freaking goldmine with an HD remake of Mario 64 ala Wind Waker HD.
Mario meets cuphead?
I want a 2D mario done in a hand drawn way, like Cup-head, but with this original Mario Bros arcade art.
https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/14/149200/2302064-mario_bros..jpg
A Sonic Mania like game for Mario Bros. would be kinda cool, leveraging the traditional pixel look.
Please Nintendo don't end up 2D Marios !!!!
I am not a huge fan of 3D Marios in open worlds
I really loved NSMB and I hope that there will be a new series on Switch aside from porting it on the VC
A positive turning point......is Miyamoto finally retiring?!!
The 2D Mario games are in need of a makeover. The 3D Mario games have constantly tried to reinvent themselves over the last 20 years; it's a shame the 2D Mario games can't do the same.
I never liked the New series of Mario games and would much prefer a return to his roots for 2D games, they've done this in Odyssey in parts and you only have to look at the reaction to Sonic Mania to see that's the way to go. 2D games just look better as 16 bit pixels and always will, they look nice in modern graphics but lose a lot of the charm and the new pixel art look is somewhere between the 2.
I'd love a HD update of Mario 64 too and can't quite believe he amongst other keep bringing up that DS game as if that somehow counts.
A return of old school Super Mario would be a dream come true? Please bring back the magic, Miyamoto-San!
@crackafreeze Spoiler alert: so does every other major site.
Who says they’re done with the New series? They were always pretty clear about only having 1 per console (like Mario Karts and Smash Bros), it just happened that the last 1 was at the start off the Wii U lifetime. So it’s been what, 4 years?!? Been longer since Metroid Prime 3, but 4 is on the way.
Wouldn't mind a 2D Mario Game in Super Mario World's sprite art style.
Though not really keen on remasters. We don't really need remasters of Super Mario World, Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine. We already have Super Mario World, Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine. They are called Super Mario World, Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine. They aren't expensive either.
The Mario design "New" series of SMB was welcomed in the DS era nowadays not so much. It feels wrong and overused by using the same design in Wii, Wii U, 3DS and mobile. Too much, too soon.
In retrospective SMB design was revamped in SMB2 which in turn was revamped in SMB3 and in SMW a new design was added. All have different designs and in all Mario changes. Since 2006 we're stuck with the same design.
The only exception was Super Mario Maker where oddly (?) enough the "New" Mario is the crappiest.
Go back and re-imagine. Change. Bring freshness.
@gaga64 New Super Luigi U for Wii U and New Super Mario Bros. U both for Wii U, New Super Mario Bros. 2 for 3DS game and Super Mario Run don't ring a bell?
Too much too soon of the same design. Also the Mario design of the New series is crappy when compared with the charm of SMB3 and SMW design. Super Mario Maker made that quite clear: the stages based on design from SMB3 and SMW are way nicer.
@crackafreeze haha my bets are on an unconventional 11/10
Am I the only one here who wishes for an adventure starring Mario and Mickey Mouse togheter?
Q: What about a remaster of Mario 64?
A: We already have one... on the DS!
Super Mario World art style with NSMBU game physics for me, I prefer the older art style but the controls and responsiveness does feel much tighter on the newer games.
A 2D Mario in the style of the 80's hand rendered illustrations would be stunning - and an insane amount of work.
Cuphead is a good reference point of course - and everything I've seen of that game looks incredible. A Mario version with that maximum cuteness, polished 80's style (gouache paint for flat bright colour, airbrushing for smooth shading / texture and inked outlines for finesse) would be SUPER fun.
How long did cuphead take to make? Mario would be a lot more work due to the scale and variety of levels but the big N might be one of the only studios who could afford to do it.
Maybe they're working on it to coincide with the opening of their theme park? Would be mint.
@tangram I was counting New SMB U as the last one. Luigi U was basically DLC that could be bought standalone, the 3DS game was before the Wii U, and though Mario Run uses the New U art style, it’s not marketed as a New SMB title.
But even if you include Run, it’s still only 1 game per device since the original New SMB on the DS, a fact Nintendo themselves highlighted when the 3DS and Wii U games came out quite close together.
I’m not disputing that the series art style isn’t as fun as the NES/SNES titles, or that the 2 New games we got in 2012/3 were too close together, just the assumption in the article that Nintendo are done with the series, as they’ve not said that.
At best, Miyamoto’s comments could be interpreted as “the next 2D Mario game will have a different art style”. Doesn’t mean it won’t still be called New SMB Switch / 3 / NX
I would like a game in the “Super Mario bros. 2”-style (Even if it originally wasn’t a Mario game, it is one now), it’s certainly a different approach, and nothing has been done in that style since the release of “Super Mario advance”, which was a Gameboy Advance launch title...
Can you imagine discussions akin to this being had at the headquarters of Sony and/or Microsoft? Not a chance. That's one reason Nintendo will always remain ahead of the curve and critically acclaimed the world over.
SMW, SMW2 and Super Mario Allstars still have the best 2D graphic style. New is horrible and plastic looking.
I would love to see a new mario game in the vein of rayman origins or legends. Something hand drawn would look great for Mario. Another thing is that I hope they get rid of that dang nsmb soundtrack. That music and the samey art style contribute heavily to a sense of over familiarity with the nsmb series
@Sciqueen That's the perfect adjective to describe how I feel about the Mario design in the "New" series: plastic looking. It feels out of place and bland.
From SMB up to SMW Mario's design kept changing in a positive way with each iteration. And not only the character design but also the setting evolved (SMB > SMB2), Mario gaining tons of powers (SMB3 and SMW), maps got way more intricate (SMB3 and SMW), Yoshi was introduced (SMW) and playable characters were added (SMB2). The series was always fresh.
"New" series feels like the assets are re-used ad eternum.
The evolution of Mario in 3D form has been decent over the years even though I don't like the Super Mario Odyssey model as much as the older ones (is it the hair?), except Super Mario 64 that is a bit too basic by today's standards. The Super Mario Sunshine design is the best, I don't mean FLUDD but the Mario design. I can't complain much about the visual evolution of 3D Mario. I don't like the gameplay and level changes in the Galaxy games and 3D Land/World but the visuals have always been nice enough.
However, the New Super Mario Bros. visual art and Mario's design are awful, artificial and dull. Super Mario World is much classier and timeless. The physics in Super Mario World are the best, too.
I would love to play an Evoland style Mario game, shifting through the different art styles of each game as you complete each world.
My favourite 2D art style has to be SMB 3 on the SNES, it just looks fantastic, even today. But I really like Super Mario 3D World on the WiiU, it's a visually stunning game.
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t want another Mario 64 remake. The game is pretty much perfect. It still looks pretty good too, although I’m playing it on an Ultra HDMI modded N64 which definitely helps. Speaking of which. it’s a game I feel needs to be played on original hardware because the controls were made for the triple banana N64 controller. I’ve tried it on VC with the Classic and Wii U Pro controllers and on a PC emulator with a DS4 and Xbone Elite controller but nothing beats the original hardware. That game was made for that controller.
Sounds interesting! ^_^ I'm gonna give Nintendo my idea for free: A 2D Mario game created with a style that looks like beads for pegboards! That look could also be part of the game mechanics. https://www.beadtool.net/
@Honelith I love smb3 art style as well! And the water effects are so nice in 3D world!
As much as playing Mario 64 DS on the Nintendo DS was awesome, a straight up conversion to the Switch would be really cool!
Red overalls return?
I'm in the mood for something new right now = hence Super Mario Odyssey. I wouldn't mind seeing more games in the classic 2D style, but I think Super Mario Maker scratches that itch for the time being.
Super Mario All Stars Re-mastered
I wouls like to see Nintendo try cell shading with Mario.
If they could do a cartoony looking game using the classic style shown above, I would be all over that game. At the same time, I feel like a Mario Maker 2.0 would be great. More tools, more visual styles, more characters (with different attributes like in Mario 2), better setup for sharing levels, maybe the option of watching other players play through a level that you created would be fun.
Off the subject a little: I'm still awaiting the day when Nintendo finally releases their beloved Mario franchise to a legit animation studio to turn into a film. I think it would be greatly received if a quality story was developed. If I could choose a dream scenario, I would hand it over to Disney Animation, not Pixar. Also, I think the studio behind the three Lego films have done an excellent job.
I don't mind experimenting with the art styles or whatever, but we need to continue to get 2D Marios along with the 3D games.
"Game Informer interview Miyamoto back at E3 and only just now published a portion of the interview where the developer discusses the 1980’s era art for Mario. Here’s what he said:"
Why was his forename (Shigeru) not mentioned in the report concerning the article for Game Informer (the article itself had his forename)?
Virtual Console is just money throwing itself at Nintendo and let's just leave it at that.
Nintendo should know. They do. (Although Reggie said "appetite" instead of "demand".)
"...it would be great if I could play all classic games on it..."
I'm calling it for my wallet. Time of death: March 2017.
"When you think about the playstyle of the Switch it would be great if I could play all classic games on it."
Uh... SHYAH.
Thank god he ignored your request for MARIO 64 remake. We just want new stuff like what they did with Odessy and Mario+Rappids
@thesilverbrick They should straight up collab with UbiSoft. Legends is slick and Rabbids proved they got Nintendo soul and sensibility. But my bet is on Retro Studios doing the next 2D game.
@MonkiPlays 2D platformer with aid of the hat as a platform would feel amazing. Yoshi's Island sort of had possession gameplay too when you think of the sub or helicopter. A new style of New Super Mario Bros. using watercolors and Kotabe's art style as a base, and either Retro Studios or UbiSoft to co-develop the game might be even dreamier than Odyssey.
I wonder if you use Cappy in any of the 2D levels in Odyssey? Not that far in yet.
@H_Hunter Yes and implying ports of recent games. Ports are good if your A teams are busting away on new content. I'd love to own 3D World without having to chase down a WiiU. Remakes are too intensive unless there's a really good reason for them. Zero Mission defines "good reason".
Sounds like we are up for another sidescrolling Mario with boring "New super Mario bros" graphics!
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