Fire Emblem Warriors Makes Top 20 UK Chart Debut, But Can't Pass Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

I wonder how Mario Odyssey will do next week

I work in Asda and we have had nearly every Switch game in so far apart from this? Maybe it’s an availability issue?

Not too bad, being a Musou game always gonna be niche.

The decision to include a N3DS version was strange but I imagne Hyrule Warriors Legends sold enough to warrant it. Plus development costs weren't too great.

If it flops on 3DS, it means it will be a collectable in the future

@JoeDiddley I am predicting it will come second after Assassins Creed but ahead of Wolfenstein 2.

As for Fire Emblem Warriors, I am kinda not too surprised, not just because it is a niche market on a smallish install base (for the Switch at least) but also because it launched one week before Mario Odyssey which is what almost all Nintendo Switch owners are saving their money for.

FragRed knows the score. Only the likes Jaxon will be buying this this week, but I will get it eventually.

What do you all expect. It’s an average Musou game. It will never make the top 10.

DQH 1/2 and DW8 [removed] all over FE:W. FE:W is still good but it’s not at all an amazing game.

Also the whole saving money for Mario Odyssey and not getting this is a thing too.

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I think it's a very good game, just like Hyrule Warriors was. It's a shame, but it was predictable.

FE warriors doesn't deserve succes!

This is nothing to do with it being a 'niche' title. Less real world advertising + low amount of units produced = lower sales. Mario Kart and other topselling Switch titles all received substantial advertising campaigns. FE:W did not.

Still don't have a Switch, but was looking to pick this up on 3DS. Not available from Amazon, only place seems to be Nintendo themselves for £5 extra with a poster I definitly don't want.

Still looking forward to handing @SLEICH_EIRE that framed print of our comments chain when 8 Deluxe passes 15 million sales.

@yeayeanaynay Because this game is just "okay"
There are lot of points, they could have improved on.
Story is bad. Characters VA are Cringe. combo's are streamlined. bad roster (EVEN WITH ALL THE DLC).

I won't support such mediocrity in a world with so many stellar games coming out.

I'm still waiting for my copy to turn up from Amazon UK. I'd cancel the order and order somewhere else, but every time I complain, they credit me another fiver. My copy (if it ever turns up) is currently going to cost me £26.99

I bought Gran Turismo on Wednesday and sold it on Saturday.

My Advise to anyone thinking of buying it, if you don't have a PS Plus account...... don't waste your money.

Other than a few Campaign Challenges which are pretty neat and teach you how to play the game, any single offline player content is pretty much none existent, this is very much an online player game.

So much so that you can't even play the game offline if the servers happen to be down.

Shocking that Sony would allow this to happen to one of their flagship games.

Anyway the money I've made back from the sale can go toward Super Mario Oddesy on Friday so every Cloud and all that

Well, about the 3DS version, that had to be expected. Still, nice that it made the Top 20, especially knowing UK's usual adversity to Nintendo games.

@Curlynob
I'm up to £15 off and counting

It was never a big enough game to make a dent in the charts, the likes of Mario releasing this week will show where the Switch really sits

Eh, it sold well in the US and in Japan. Thats all that matters

Here's hoping Nintendo notes FEW's failure on 3DS and realizes that they should be pouring more of their development resources into Switch games. Imagine how much better a game like Samus Returns could've sold on Switch.

I gave GTSport a miss for that very reason. You should have read up on it before purchase.

Mario has a chance of getting to no1. Other consoles will have sales shared between assassins creed and wolfenstein. I'm buying wolfenstein and getting Mario in a few weeks.

@electrolite77 We do not have exact numbers yet, but it peaked as the #2 game sold on amazon. Koei also raised its profit projections because of the game. So we can extrapolate overall it did fine.

@GingerNinja

I did plenty of reading up & research, just didn't expect it to be quite so lacking in content.

Only lost £5 on it so no big deal

Those who have a New 3DS probably aren’t interested in FE Warriors, and that version was barely marketed at all anyway.

For a Musou game, released 1 week before SMOdyssey, with almost 0 advertise, is a good position.
The 3DS version it was certain to flop.

@yeayeanaynay and anyone unsure of Fire Emblem Warriors

Just wanna say I couldn't disagree with that dude's comment more.

Fire Emblem Warriors surprises me as one of the most quality games I've played all year- I think it's absolutely amazing, and hands down the best Warriors game I've ever played. Better than Hyrule Warriors, better than Dragon Quest Warriors... the married gameplay between these two series is a perfect fit.

The voice acting is well done for the most part (and the entire game is fully voiced which is extremely nice). The lineup is fantastic- just because it focuses on a span of 4 games doesn't mean it's a bad lineup (and even then it includes Tiki and Anna and Lyn, all of which are staple characters from older games)- practically every character in the game is awesome and likeable- I love the old games too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hate this game for not having every single character from all 15 games released to date (Fates technically had 2 different casts). It's been well-established this game focuses on games that have actually released in the last decade (and even then they're talking about future DLC for GBA era characters- but this isn't a Heroes mobile mashup, Idk why people expect as much). But that aside, I love this game because you can direct units on the map- go attack this general here, go heal that team mate there, guard this person, pair up with that person, etc. and there are settings for the AI so you can tell them to automatically heal when they need to or you can tell them to always attack or to always defend, etc. etc. Reminds me of Dragon Age except much simpler.

And there's the weapon triangle so swords work against axes which work against lances which work against swords. Plus there is an optional permadeath mode and three difficulties just like Fire Emblem games. There's level ups just like FE (same little jingle too), there's the convoy with different weapons of each type just like FE, there's bonding units and increasing support levels from C-B-A, and you can do unit pair-ups. There are master seals used to create special crests to promote units to advanced classes.

My favorite part about the game is being able to direct my units so that I can be working on capturing multiple forts at the same time. As my friend TJ puts it, t's great being able to feel like you're actually leading an army where everyone is pulling their weight, as opposed to being a one-man army running miles and miles across the map to save moronic deadweights who can't handle a single enemy NPC (ehem... Hyrule Warriors)

It's such a shame this game is being neglected by so many people. Because it's absolutely fantastic, and easily one of my favorite games on the Switch (surprisingly so- I enjoyed Hyrule Warriors well enough but it was never better than "good"... this game here is just flat out excellent)

@Kingrat I kept on asking them to apply the credit to my outstanding order, but they said the credit could only be used against new orders. Then I went into the payment options and changed the card I was using, and it applied all the credit I'd been building up to my outstanding order. Might be quite a useful little Amazon hack for people in the same boat. It's got to the stage now where it's quite funny actually. I wonder how much more credit we can get, and if we'll ever get the game...

UK people don't appreciate Musou games. I'm playing Fire Emblem Warriors - it' literally Fantastic! I'm playing Classic Mode on Hard difficulty in Performance mode. - The game looks, plays and feels superb. It really is a Fire Emblem experience and the added map/strategic work really adds to the game along with the permadeath and pairing mechanics added. In total - I expect Fire Emblem will cover 1.5 million sales. . . just not in UK lol

Well wasn't this only available on new 3DS, not the older models? If so, it's pretty easy to see why it bombed on that platform.

I'm not surprised, I saw a bit of footage of the 3DS version and ... it looks dreadful. I mean, there are beautiful games on the 3DS, but Warriors just looks drab, low-res and ugly. It's probably slightly less horrific on the small 3DS screen, but still, if that was my only option, I'd definitely steer of it clear as well.

@cfgk24 I kinda agree. I spend the last couple of days internal debating whether to get this game or not, seeing as I am not a musou fan at all, but I did enjoy HW. Anyways, last night I took a leap of faith and went for it, and I was not disappointed.

The fan service is enjoyable, and slaughtering literally 1000s of enemies with Lissa's might Axe is a very joyful feeling (sidenote: NEED a Lissa amiibo asap ^^). All in all t's rather shallow button smashing of course, despite the welcome tactical elements integrated from FE, like the weapon triangle, pair-ups, and the option to order units around and jump between at the press of a button - but I cannot deny that at least for the moment, it is blood good fun.

I have to say though, I'd really wish the game had online co-op. If it had, I would have gotten it right away with a clear conscience, but as it is, I agonized over whether to swallow that pill or not for days, and I still feel that by buying it, I kinda gave them a pass on missing an essential feature, that should really be standard for a musou game in late 2017.

I still couldn't bring myself to buying Splatoon, partly because I didn't like the stress test that much better than Splatoon (or my current go-to multipalyer shooter, Overwatch), but also, because I really feel I can't justify supporting their messed up implementation of friendlist, 'party queueing, voice chat and so on. It just sticks in my craw to much for me to currently be able to shell out $60 for privilege to be even more annoyed by it.

I really, really wish, that Nintendo gaming would less often come with these kinds of caveats =( =( =( If I had one thing to ask of Nintendo going forward, maybe as a New Years resolution, it would be to be less uptight, and become comfortable with relinquishing some control, as well as having less inhibitions to look at what others are doing right, and just copying those solutions, if it makes sense.

Maybe you can't have this kind of digital art, without the idiosyncrasies of the artists behind it ... maybe, but I am not entirely convinced yet, that it is really that black and white. I sure hope it isn't.

Got Fire Emblem Warriors on Switch but as a download. I guess my copy doesn't count.

@JaxonH I agree with the only 4 games represented isn’t a problem part.
Everybody keeps forgetting hyrule warriors only represented 3 games at start (ocarina, twilight and skywards), it took that game 3 season passes before 70% of the games in the franchise were represented.

EDIT: and after those season passes there were still some great games not represented (a link to the past, both oracle games, minish cap, zelda II, any of the gotr sword games and phantom hourglass wich only got a map mechanic but no weapons or characters)

Serves them right for trying to rip people off with DLC. I would have happily bought this game if it actually had content from all the Fire Emblem games included in the price.

If this had come out earlier in the year when things were quiet I’d have bought it, but with Mario Odyssey this Friday it just wasn’t worth the punt on a series I’ve never played and may not like.

@darkswabber

Right. Nobody blinks an eye when Hyrule Warriors focuses on 3 games with recent releases (Ocarina was remade on 3DS). Well, I do actually recall people saying it would be nice to see certain games represented... but nobody even came close to saying they wouldn't play the game if they weren't. But for some reason this game has to include characters from every single game ever created (many of which were very niche games and sold to a very small audience).

There is nothing wrong with the game focusing on a few select entries. The developer interview reveals the dev team are huge fans of the series, and they went to great strides to do the series justice. They included stories for all the characters in the game and they said flat out they couldn't include more characters from past games because then they would have to make stories for all of them too, and it wouldn't work in the context of the main worlds being focused on. Even so, they still said they want to do GBA-era characters in future DLC provided the game has a future (meaning, provided it doesn't flop)

@JaxonH My thoughts on FEW exactly. Such a great game. I'm loving it so much so far. Having much improved AI really made a musou game feeling like a Fire Emblem game.

Mario will be up there... Basically the only big game worth buying on the switch right now, where on the PS4 Everyone is picking from like 5 big releases in 2 weeks.

FE Will bomb in the US also... With everything that is coming - just better things to spend $60 on.

Just waiting for Mario and Wolfenstein 2 end of the week.

@BulkSlash "If this had come out earlier in the year when things were quiet I’d have bought it"

That's true for me as well. I mean, look at Bomberman's success as a launch title.

Why the gloom? Was Nintendo to have a huge launch for a new game in their worst market? Of course the game was a flop, it is the UK...

@Reignmaker Yeah that's a great example as I bought Bomberman too!

Mediocre FE Warriors sales, which makes sense as Fire Emblem is not popular in the UK at all.

Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 each sold around ~78,000 copies at launch. I expect Mario Odysseus to sell 85,000-90,000, making it the fastest selling Mario platformer of all time. Assassin's Creed Origins and Wolfenstein 2 should both outsell Mario at launch.

No surprise. I like the game a good bit after just getting it today. But it clearly is a niche title meant for Warriors fans or Fire Emblem fans looking for something different.

Erm. I don't expect Mario Odyssey to take the top spot next week. I fully expect Fifa to be ahead of it. This is the UK after all.

@thesilverbrick A niche game of on an unpopular franchise (FE isn't popular in the UK) exclusive to just "New 3DS models" on a region where Nintendo isn't the most popular hardly gives anything to "realize".

Nintendo is already putting their focus on Switch. Samus Returns was in development before it was revealed and before the Switch was a thing. The lack of consideration from some users is really surprising me in negative way. I agree that the Switch should be the main focus (it is) and that it's time for a successor since the 3DS had a lot of time to shine, but there's no need to ask for it's death on every article related to the 3DS, which is something many users are doing. Let Nintendo decide that, it doesn't affect you, the only people affected are from countries where the price gap bewteen the 3DS and Switch is really big.

Not bad considering its FE and a Musou game. Both niche franchises.

@the8thark I'm sorry but saying those two [removed] all over FE:W is a matter of subejection. Not fact.

-and it's a good Musou game.

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Been playing Fire Emblem Warriors in co op since release and we've been hooked to it. I really hope it sells well enough to justify the sequel that the developers seem keen to make with characters from the older games. Tellius characters in a Warriors game would be amazing

I got the 3DS version, mostly because I won't have a Switch for many months yet and the review did say it didn't lose much gameplay wise, so I thought why not. I really enjoyed Hyrule Warriors on Wii U and I'm a huge fan of Fire Emblem, so seemed a no brainier.

The U.K. isn't Nintendo's weakest market just probably not 1 of its strongest. I actually expect Mario to hit number 1 next week. Its been #1 on Amazon best sellers practically the whole month in the U.K.!

@MegaVel91

Go play Dynasty Warriors 8 or Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2 then you’ll understand what a good Mosou game is.

Probably releasing it a week before Mario is not doing the game any favors. Not everyone can afford a new game every week. Plus tied in with the fact that this style of gameplay is not to everyone's tastes. Still, its not a horrible performance like the 3DS version, that would be if it failed to get on the top 40 at all, but a shame since I found the game to be a great follow up to HW.

Mario should do very well but don't forget its also releasing the same day as the new Ass Creed game so there'll be competition along with regulars like FIFA....

@Ralek85 Thanks for the long reply lol. I'm sorry you missed out on Splatoon2. It really is superb - I haven't found any issues with connecting with Friends online - People forget that the voice chat app is not really what it's about - the Voice chat app only serves the purpose for competitive play where you shouldn't be hearing what the other team are saying - that plus the ability to play with 'Friends' on your friend list that you've never communicated with before but send invites to anonymously.

Online co-op. It's a shame button a deal breaker for me - I treat a muse game a s single player experience and FEW seems to be superb at doing that.

Mario Galaxy wasn't even one of the Top 30 best selling games of 2007 in the UK. Don't expect Mario Odyssey to sell much better, if better at all.

I've been playing Fire Emblem Warriors a lot over the weekend and it's exactly what I expected. I've been having a lot of fun with it going through the story and leveling up the characters. I'll be spending a lot of time on this.

Well, nothing unexpected. The UK isn’t a good market for Nintendo and Musou is a niche genre.

I think it largely has to do with proximity to the release of Mario Odyssey. In addition the game didn't do any favors with long time fans by primarily including characters from only the most recent fire emblem fans. I think most newer fans haven't bought a switch yet. I think primarily olddr fe fans have switches and kt sold this game to the wrong crowd at the wrong time.

@roy130390 First of all, I'm not calling for the death of the 3DS. I still play mine almost every day, and I think there is a small, respectable market left for it. However, the vast majority of people who have purchased a Switch have put their 3DS away and out of general use. Releasing simple, niche and budget titles for the system seems to be the way to go. However, trying to resurrect a series that has been dormant for seven years on a handheld that is on its way out wasn't the best move. The sales of Samus Returns in every region except North America have been dismal, and I'm worried Nintendo will take that low number as an indicator to believe that the world doesn't want future Metroid titles. My point is, major releases at this point should be coming to the Switch. Iterative expansions of Pokémon and games like the Mario and Luigi remake as well as next year's Kirby game are all a perfect for the 3DS. But hinging the future of a venerated series on the sales of a game released on a handheld clearly in its decline isn't fair or wise.

@thesilverbrick it's not like the game did amazingly on the switch either. I think the 3ds version only helped sales, not harm them.

@Oat True, but I have a hard time believing the minuscule sales numbers on 3DS made up for the development time and resources necessary to port the game to 3DS. Also, we are looking at the sales in the U.K. alone, which has always had a relatively tepid interest in Nintendo when compared to other regions. Add to that the fact that the game released days before Mario Odyssey, and it's easy to see that the sales figures aren't necessarily indicative of the game's overall performance in the long term and worldwide. It is still pretty telling that the Switch version sold better despite having a much smaller install base. When given the option consumers bought a Switch game over an equivalent title on 3DS. That's my point.

If this game launched at a different time it might've done better, due to people saving money for Odyssey the following week.

@cfgk24 My reply was only partially addressed at you, sorry for the poor formatting that kinda meshed it all together. I should have placed the part directly addressed at you at the end.

Anyways, FEW is nice I played some more today, but I still think I would enjoy it more, if I had the option to spice it up with some online co-op play on occasion (HW just got boring in solo play after a while).

I really don't like the split-screen. It's just ... well smaller and with more performance issue, and limited to the time when I have someone right next to me, who happens to be in the mood for a super niche musou game, which is ... not the case that often ^^

I'm not quite up-to-date about Splatoon 2, but is it possible now to setup a squad, then join a game together, and play continuously together on the same team? None of this join-one-by-one and this hope-and-pray-for-being-on-the-same-team bull**** anymore? Because that is about as big a NO-NO as these things can possibly get.

The voice chat situation is definitely broken. I'm pretty sure though, we discussed at a previous point in time, so I'm just gonna sidebar that.

I mean, the voice chat aspect is a serious annoyance, but the issues with queuing and matchmaking are 100% definite deal-breakers for me in multiplayer games, such as Splatoon.

No interest in this. Even tho I'm a big FE fan

@Pupito Again, I think you're misunderstanding me. I for one loved Samus Returns and I definitely thought the stereoscopic 3-D in the game was the best use of the feature that the 3DS has ever seen. That said, even though the game looked and played very well on the 3DS, it would have sold far better on the Switch (not to mention it would have looked absolutely gorgeous running in HD). But since this game came at a time when the fate of the 2D Metroid series is in question, I really think it was a poor choice to launch on a handheld in its decline and the sales figures agree with me. If this was two years ago, I would have had no problem with it, and the game would've sold so much better, but as it stands, the 3DS is passé and interest in it is clearly dwindling.

@Ralek85 ok! you can join up as a full Team of 4 in League Mode - online against other Full teams - you play over the 2 hour map slot and you generate a League Power score after 7 matches which you can add or subtract to as you play over the Time slot. Your Team has a unique Team number that is generated by Nintendo. You can also play this mode as a pair where you join another pair to fight an opposing team of 2 pairs. Salmon Run - you can enter a team of 2-4 players - you can recruit online randoms if you can't make a team of 4.
Original Turf war mode is till random matching but you can join your friends anytime which is great. of course you can run a private battle with all options on the table and no limits. . So big improvements
Tip - Just use Discord for voice chat. . we do lol.

@the8thark Sorry, but your opinion is not objective fact no matter how much you'd like it to be.

@cfgk24 Not really interested in private matches, as I don't want to have to organise and setup anything, not to mention that I'll doubt I'll ever have enough people online to fill a match anyways, even assuming I was willing to make the effort and setup it up.

I just want to be able to do what I do in other games of this sort. Have X (with X smaller or equal to maximum team size in said game) in a voice-enabled "party" able to join an online match at the press of a button, which easy between-matches drop-in-and-drop-out if people have to sign off, and new folks fill their role, with all empty spots (on our team and obviously the other side) being filled by the matchmaking system.

It sounds complicated, but it's really basic. I don't want to have to put any effort or planning or out-of-game communication into it, because I know from experience, that once it does turn into an effort, I'll eventually stop using it and turn to something more convenient. I'm not necessarily proud of that fact, but it is just that: a fact. If I game, I want to game, and not bother with something that reeks of work.

Quick question, if you use Discord for voice, how do you handle gamesound? I'm just asking, because there is little I hate as much online, as people streaming their own game sound in the background, because they do not use headphones. That's ... well, that is 100% a mute-able offense, so to speak.

Discord, I just have my MacBook open in the room - It's a quality mic and quality speakers set for speech so background Game sound isn't an issue. . . It's perfect
Game sound usually happens because someone is using poor quality speakers sending tinny screechy higher frequencies - basically - a TV - I pretty much have a separate speaker system set up with the SWITCH.

@thesilverbrick I never said that YOU were asking for it's death, I said that some users do it. However saying that they should "learn from this" and that they should put "more resources" on Switch is basically doing the same thing considering that there's little investment on the 3DS and said investment is going to end with Ultra Sun and Moon, at least from Nintendo. Besides, the Switch is already getting a ton of games and according to many Switch users, they just "don't know what to do to play them all", so what's the point of more support on a console that for it's first year, is already receiving a lot of support? You can also saturate the market, which isn't a good thing.

People assure that they know how to do business better than the people from a really successful company. No, I don't find intelligent that they give too many gaming options to the point where many don't sell well enough because of the competition and I certainly don't see how resurrecting a franchise that wasn't relevant any more and putting it to compete with the big, new dogs would be a smart move. Instead, they made it part of the "Swang song" of the 3DS, and while it didn't receive benefits from the hype of the Switch, it also assured sales and relevance on a Market that isn't saturated. They opted for Samus Returns to be the resurrection of the franchise and to go big on both the 3DS and Switch, which will allow the future Prime 4 to benefit from this relevance that it probably wouldn't have received on Switch becuse it already had a ton of games coming to it. It probably even helped to make the people that didn't know the franchise consider buying a Switch, since everybody knows the next big Metroid entry will be on it. Also, as I told you before, by the time Samus Returns was starting development, nobody knew anything bout the Switch, much less that it will be so popular and the 3DS already had a big fanbase. Still, as I explained, I think that they did things the smart way and that putting Samus Returns in Switch would have been a really dumb move that wouldn't even be close to sell as much as you think it would have . There are no numbers supporting what you say simply because even if it sold badly on the 3DS (which as far as I know numbers haven't been shown in many regions) it wouldn't prove in any way that it would have been more successful on the Switch. Maybe the franchise wouldn't find enough customers, regardless of the console (at least on 2D).

@roy130390 Ever since the Switch hit the market, new releases on 3DS have struggled to make an impact. 3DS game sales have tanked since March. Im basing my comments on the fact that nearly every single new exclusive 3DS title since March has underperformed, Samus Returns included. Meanwhile, games like ARMS are selling over a million units despite being rather niche. Samus Returns sold poorly. The sales figures have been released for all three regions and the only one that sold even slightly respectably was North America, and even there the numbers weren't very great. You can't argue with that. The Switch is trouncing the 3DS in overall sales this year, both in games and consoles. There is absolutely zero reason to believe the game would have sold worse on a console that is selling so well and has stellar game sales to match. All empirical evidence points to the fact that the game would have been more successful if it launched on a wildly popular console instead of one that is losing its steam rapidly.

@thesilverbrick Again, Samus Returns began development way before that and you can't predict the success of a new console and the drecrease of popularity of the 3DS. ARMS was supported as the next great big hit from Nintendo, despite being a new IP and it didn't really sell that well despite beng on the Switch, "niché" or not. Also, you could apply "Niché" to Metroid considering how little popularity it has despite being praised. I can definitely argue with that because considering that despite having a decreasing fanbase, the 3DS still has way more sold units than the Switch and the at least "decent" sales of Samus Returns could actually be because of the 3DS, and could have been much more worse on Switch. Of course that's speculation, just as yours. Applying " if it didn't sell well on 3DS it's clear it would have sold great on Switch" it's a really flawed logic.

I gave you reasons to prove that it's far from "absolutely zeo reason" so I won't repeat them again. What empirical evidence? Dude you are basing this on sales that aren't from metroid, and as long as you are doing that it's far from being evidence. By that logic, any game coming to a successful console should sell well. Kid Icarus sold poorly despite being praised and despite being on the 3DS when it was really popular, for example.

@roy130390 You're only proving my point. The 3DS has a massive user base when compared to Switch, yet Switch games are outselling 3DS games despite a comparatively tiny install base, indicating that the market is becoming increasingly disinterested in 3DS games. And you haven't addressed the point I made about nearly every major 3DS release since March underperforming. It's a fact. Look it up. The numbers don't lie.

Nintendo has known about the Switch for years now. It has been in development since the Wii U hit the market. So unless Samus Returns began development in 2012, releasing it on 3DS would've been entirely possible. Breath of the Wild began development years before Samus Returns and that game got released on Switch. Metroid sold poorly. They published articles on this site that back up my point. You can say it didn't underperform, when all the evidence proves that it did. That's the empirical evidence I'm talking about, not the idealism you're putting forth. Actual numbers. Look, we can go back-and-forth about this forever, but proof is proof. 3DS game sales are tanking, and even major titles released on the console are selling disappointing numbers. Switch game sales, meanwhile, are on the rise. It's all about numbers, man. Sorry.

@thesilverbrick Dude.... you are only taking what you want and discarding everything else. What part of a successful console doesn't guarantee a successful game is so hard to understand? By your logic then Mario Kart or Smash Bros shouldn't have been successful on the Wii U since it's install base was way smaller than the Switch! The numbers don't lie but they say shi... about how successful would be the return of a franchise. Why did Kid Icarus sell bad on the 3DS then? It was a dormant franchise just as Metroid, and not only that, Sakurai was involved and when the 3DS was popular!

Yes dude, they know about the console they were developing... but they can't know what will happen in the future in terms of sales. I mean, why don't we blame Nintendo of not knowing that the Wii U would be a failure? Their fortune tellers most have been on vacation.

I'm not saying it didn't underperform... geez... I'm saying that even on a console with growing success (like the 3DS was on it's time with Kid ICarus ) it won't assure the success of a game... NO, there's no empirical evidence of that... and it isn't sure for a game to find success on a popular console either. It's like saying that Kid ICarus would have done better on the DS because it sold more! or the SWitch for that matter... Simply, people weren't interested in Kid Icarus, despite being praised by most reviewers and despite having Nintendo backing it and a big name involved.

Yes, you should feel sorry for not understanding such a simple concept. I accept your apology. I'm still baffled though.

Heck, if you want... believe all you want that a 2D Metroid was "guaranteed to be more succesful on Switch". Whatever. But come on man, at least understand that even if it was more successful, it could be still considered a giant disappointment by Nintendo simply because it didn't sell well enough to make a considerable profit for them. There's no empiric evidence of the contrary. Not even with games of the same or a similar genre selling well... not even with games were Samus appears and NOT EVEN if Metroid Prime 4 is a success, simply because it's not a 2D Metroid and it's not a remake of the second game.

Nintendo has historically been bad in the UK market. Not surprised. I doubt that Odyssey will be in first place in the UK chart, inspite of how brilliant the game is... Same thing happened with Splatoon 2 also I think, the horrible Crash Bandicoot remake (?) was at the top position despite alienating loyal fans (because of how bad it was).

All I can do is hope that Odyssey gits gud next week...

@roy130390 I have no clue why I insist on continuing this discussion, especially when you insist on becoming rude and hostile. If you want to continue to live in your fantasy world where the 3DS is on the rise and new games perform well, who am I to stop you? You've contradicted yourself a half dozen times since we started talking and jump all over the place without following a single train of thought to any logical conclusion. And then demanding an imaginary apology and accepting it only shows your clear lack of maturity.

Games on 3DS are selling worse than ever, despite its install base being larger than ever. That only can mean one thing: people have largely given up on the console. I don't know how to spin it any other way or put it into terms you can understand more clearly. When game sales decline on a once popular console, it only makes good business sense to move your projects to a newer device that is selling better, one where your games have much larger attach rates and create larger profits. You can try to derail the conversation again and again, but I'm steering it back to my original point: the 3DS is dying and investing resources into large-scale projects on 3DS at this point isn't a great idea, plain and simple.

Can 3DS games still be fun? Absolutely. That was never in question. I loved Samus Returns, Ever Oasis and FE:Echoes. They all underperformed, despite critical acclaim. Based on the sales figures of first party titles on Switch, I have every reason to believe those games would have had more success on Switch. Switch games sell better than 3DS games at this point. It's a plain and simple truth.

At this point we part ways. I'm not wasting any more of my time or yours on a discussion like this, especially when you insist on turning to hostility. And I honestly wish you the best. Take care.

@MegaVel91
You obviously can’t handle the truth and trying to falsely justify it as someone else’s uninformed opinion.

The truth does not change, whether you choose to accept it or not.

@thesilverbrick " If you want to continue to live in your fantasy world where the 3DS is on the rise and new games perform well, who am I to stop you? You've contradicted yourself a half dozen times since we started talking and jump all over the place without following a single train of thought to any logical conclusion. And then demanding an imaginary apology and accepting it only shows your clear lack of maturity."

This is actually really funny. The amount of irony in this is outstanding. Say what you want about my "lack of maturity", at least I don't invent stuff ( come on dude where did I say 3DS is on the rise or even something similar? lying like that is really low, do you really wanna win an argument that bad?).

All I said was that there's no way of knowing if Metroid 2 would have done better on Switch, and I explained my points about why I doubted it. Then, because clearly you have more knowledge than capable people who have devoted their life to their business, you are the only one assuring that you know that Metroid 2 would be more successful "because the numbers don't lie". Yet I'm the one living in the fantasy world right? Work with Nintendo dude, you are their savior.

You touch so many topics like if 3DS can still be fun or if the 3DS is dying which not only wasn't something relevant to the discussion, I never said the opposite or even something similar...

You know what's insulting? doing this kind of stuff. Flat out lying about what I'm even talking about. I can't even say you didn't undestand what I said, you pretty much changed my argument to unrelated topics and pretended that I said the contrary. Don't talk about being respectful when you do something like that. Honestly, if you somehow understood that from my comments, your reading needs to improve... a lot.

Say what you want, but I never invented the you said. Unless you have no shame, clearly you can't say the same. Come on dude, show me where do I say 3DS games are on the rise. Show me were do I demanded an apology. Lol you apologized, and I took it in a humoristic way. Say whatever excuse about you not wanting to continue this discussion. You simply lied. Really low, dude.

"Flops on New 3DS at retail"

Unecesary harsh on the New 3DS release. Not that I have a New 3DS (I have the regular one), but this site wants people so desperately to buy a Switch and ignore the 3DS. Well, it won't work on me guys!