The Switch has only been out a little over five months, but in this helter-skelter world it already seems to be settled into the market. General buzz and demand remain high, there are major retail games due regularly for the rest of the year, and Nintendo is still in a continuous battle to ensure that supply meets demand. For many that are early adopters, meanwhile, attention isn't solely on the big-name games coming to stores. The Switch eShop has continued to grow its library, and it seems that the floodgates are opening for more developers to bring their projects to the system.
We now seem to be entering what has been informally referenced as 'wave 2' by some familiar with publishing (or trying to) on the Switch eShop. At launch Nintendo made it clear, publicly, that in the early days it would be employing a policy of curation, and we saw a slow but steady influx of games. There were some quiet weeks, however, and the months that built up to that launch curation period led to some disputes and growing pains. In the process of researching that linked feature on some problems with the way early eShop publishing was handled, I was certainly given the impression that after the initial controlled period the leash would be loosened on developers and publisher of various sizes.
That appears to be the case, and we're seeing good and bad sides to that process. To start with the good, I think we're getting to the point where the eShop is not only delivering some fantastic quality, but also plenty of variety to its games. Though arguments can be made for and against the curation that led to a very structured first few months on the store, one area where I believed it fell slightly short was in variety. Don't get me wrong, there were some top-notch titles early on that offered different experiences and genres, but it still felt like a 'gamer-heavy' line-up.
To clarify further, my parents are both Switch owners, and my father in particular plays less console-style games than most. Yet he enjoys certain styles of games, namely point-and-click adventures, puzzle games, and titles that put the emphasis more on smart play rather than fast reflexes. He gave me a different perspective on the early line-up - I thought it was rather good, but he pointed out the excess of action and reflex-based titles and a lack of games for those that nevertheless could find plenty to enjoy on DS / 3DS in particular. For the longest time the only game he bought was Snake Pass, which is tricky but importantly doesn't pressure players into rapid reflexes. Now, however, the store is broadening out nicely with the kinds of games that suit that kind of player - recently he's picked up Death Squared and Bulb Boy, for example. The Switch eShop is starting to cater a little more towards a more chilled-out, relaxed demographic, and is more accessible as a result.
From my point of view, I'm becoming a bigger believer in the store week by week. It seems that barely a day goes by when new games aren't announced or dated, and in many cases they look exciting. There's some terrific variety, with the past week alone highlighting upcoming titles like Lumo, Dimension Drive, This is the Police (which may also have a physical release), Chess Ultra, Gear.Club Unlimited and various others being confirmed. In the next week or two some potentially good 'uns are due to actually arrive, the likes of Slime-san, Retro City Rampage DX, Ironcast, Sine Mora EX and Phantom Trigger. The list is getting impressive, on top of the many gems previously confirmed for 2017, and of course the E3 reveal of Rocket League. The key to all of it is diversity - there are puzzlers, shmups, platformers, action games, driving games, point-and-click, adventure titles. Some are exclusives, most of them aren't, but they're all welcome.
The Switch is a great way to play a lot of these games, too. Naturally anything that puts a focus on local multiplayer can flourish, and we've seen quite a few games already that shine once you hand over a Joy-Con and play with a friend. Because they're indie games plenty run and look great on the TV, with most (but of course not all) smaller developers getting strong performance out of the hardware. The portability is important too - a number of games that were previously only on PC or other consoles can now be played on the go, which in some cases is fantastic. We also have a few solid cases of mobile titles that are nice to play on the system, with VOEZ being an early example. A few cases of sloppy optimisation aside, plenty of download games play wonderfully on Nintendo's system.
All of these factors have me excited about the Switch eShop, hence the headline that I believe it's looking like the 'real deal'. It's not all sunshine and roses, though; it never is. For starters, the eShop itself is still lacking as a platform. Some improvements have been made in updates, such as the ability to 'browse all' games and a slightly improved UI, but I still feel it's actually a weaker interface than on Wii U. There are multiple demos but there's no obvious 'demo' category, in fact we're mostly lacking categories. Early on the simple design was acceptable due to the small library, but it's not fully fit-for-purpose now that the library has grown. I still feel it needs clearly visible categories and 'windows' to direct shopper's attention to games older than a month. As it stands you scroll through recent releases, browse the chart or look at a long and dull list of games released. It's not very Nintendo-like, frankly, as it's lacking in personality.
The Nindies Showcase, above, showed that Nintendo is keen to make a success of the Switch eShop
Visibility for games is limited, then, and on top of that we have a few games that I'll charitably call "low-end". Not many, they're the exception to the rule, but it's going to happen more if curation truly takes a back seat. An impression I had earlier in the year was that Nintendo was trying to curate for the launch window without necessarily having a team big enough for the task, and the fact is that some would argue curation isn't needed anyway. After all, platforms like Steam and even the PS Store on PS4 don't curate much at all, they simply require developers to meet relatively simple requirements for certification. If you decide to look, terrible games can be found on most download stores.
At the peak of the Wii U's shovelware phase I did shift towards wanting some form of quality control, but it's not a simple argument to defend. If you curate the process requires resources, and it scares off some worthy developers that don't feel like enduring long waits and jumping through excessive hoops. Perhaps the 'market' must ultimately decide, gamers determining which content they support and what they don't. I think 90%+ of Switch eShop content to date has been 'not bad' or better; some of it is fantastic. That quality helps to set standards, and when game pages for low-quality games pop up they frankly stand out like a sore thumb. If 'bad' games flop, then they surely won't be profitable and will drift away.
Beyond a better layout and user interface for the Switch eShop, I think it's ultimately shaping up very nicely. Nowadays I find myself eyeing a purchase or two pretty much every week, even if I still try to be sensibly picky - I try not to 'hoard' game purchases that I'll never play and finish. The test for Nintendo (and of course the many Indie devs using the store) will be attracting buyers, luring in the growing Switch audience. The eShop, and the sorts of games it can attract, can be a major asset if enough owners are persuaded that their shiny system isn't just there for high-profile first-party retail games.
It'll be interesting to see how the store develops - at this moment I'm certainly optimistic that it'll continue to be an invaluable part of the system's offering.
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I just wish it could be organized a bit better. And a little background music wouldn't hurt.
It was real the moment Zelda landed.
If you're looking for epic, AAA experiences, Switch is not the console for you.
And now NBA 2K18 is download only at launch. There is always a catch with Nintendo and third parties.
So annoying
Switch eShop is good. What would make it perfect for me is '80s and '90s arcade games from Capcom, Sega, Technos etc.
Wake me when Switch gets "The Letter" aka the greatest digital game of all time.
@gatorboi352 ?? The switch has, so what are talking about?
@gatorboi352 That wasn't really the point of this article
"At the peak of the Wii U's shovelware phase I did shift towards wanting some form of quality control"
Gee, I wonder when that happened?
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/09/feature_exploring_the_licensed_content_in_rcmadiax_games_on_the_wii_u_and_new_3ds_eshop
I wish they would let me pre-order games and pre install them. Also would be cool if they actually updated the Coming Soon with games that are actually coming out soon. Instead of only labeling a couple games.... WHERE'S SONIC MANIA AT ON THE COMING SOON TAB?
Have about 25 dl games already but am a little disappointed that games like Pocket Rumble have taken (and are still taking) a long time to hit the shop. Local multiplayer is a HUGE point of interest for me because of the kiddos and i hope more and more developers take advantage of the switch's ability to support local coop gaming in the home and on the go.
"The Switch has only been out a little over five months"
Already?!?!?!??
@gatorboi352 if you're looking for compelling, incisive, commentary, gatorboi is not the commenter for you.
(Yes, I know: I'm a terrible person for 'attacking' another commenter, etc.)
@deucezulu22 name them, minus Zelda.
@ECMIM yeah i really don't get it. I always keep my discussions away from individuals and on topic, yet some NDFers seem to not be able to handle a simple difference of opinion.
@bradcorbet "I wish they would let me pre-order games and pre install them"
You can on Wii U
Although it was pretty lame of Nintendo to intentionally disable this feature for the Wii U version of BotW in an attempt to further incentivizing the Switch version for potential buyers.
@gatorboi352 You do know what AAA means, right? It's merely a game that took significant economic risks. It doesn't have to be a massive open world game to be AAA.
@bradcorbet
I wonder if we will get sonic mania on the 15th as everyone else or will it be the 18th we normally get the eshop games update friday?
Dear Nintendo,
Your eshop is putting me in the poorhouse.
Signed,
An Addict
@NowhereMan11 you know what I meant. Basically what anyone means when they say AAA title.
A large scale, massively funded project.
@kobashi100 it is? Where did you see that?
Not that I'm not ok with downloading it, but I had preordered a physical copy because of the price at Best Buy (gamer's club 20% plus a bonus $10)
@leo13 https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/892840821501947905
It is?
goes away to check
The hell it is!
Flipping Death is a day one purchase for me.
@gatorboi352 I'm guessing your definition
of massive funding is whatever number is large enough for every Nintendo title except Breath of the Wild to fail to meet it.
Potential but so much to improve upon.
eShop survival tips.
#1: You can go without food for about 2 weeks.
#2: As long as you show willing to pay, bills can be delayed.
#3: Body parts can be a good source of funding.
Please feel free to add
Pocket Rumble? Where are you??
Not many eshop games interest me so far
The eshop has a nice amount of variety, I myself have purchased:
Fast RMX=Great!
Shovel Knight Treasure Trove=Great!
I am Setsuna=Not for me.
Shantae: Half Genie Hero=Good.
Metal Slug=Great!
Mighty Gunvolt Burst=Great!
PuyoPuyo Tetris demo=Fun! and free.
Looking forward to Aerofighters 2, Sonic Mania, and Nintendo VC.
@gatorboi352 No, I don't know what you meant because it sure wasn't the actual meaning of AAA. Nintendo first and second party games tend to be AAA games. Not all, obviously (Kirby, Yoshi, etc.), but plenty are. With Fire Emblem, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Zelda, Xenoblade 2, Metroid Prime 4, Pokemon (presumably AAA), plus other third party games (Tales of, Dragon Quest, etc.), there is a steady stream of AAA titles coming out. Just because it doesn't have major multiplats doesn't mean it lacks AAA titles. Games like Persona 5, Forza, Dragon Quest XI, and Tekken 7 are AAA as well, not just open world games.
@gatorboi352 so what is??? Ps4/one defo ain't
@thesilverbrick Agreed.
Those few things are literally the only problems I have with the Switch's eShop. I could kind of excuse the lack of background music, but the lack of filtered/categorized options and games having their own theme in the background (no, having different-colored menu colors doesn't count) just makes the Switch's eShop feel a little incomplete.
I'm hoping Nintendo will address to this in the future.
@kobashi100 and the samething for wwe2k18.
Switch eshop needs help
Example: the only way to find normal games which are not in the top charts like snake pass, you have to search for the title from the search bar
I'm glad to see far more diverse offerings in various genres coming. Right now, the Switch library is heavily made up of 3 things, none of which I'm super interested in.
1. Multiplayer-focused, either local or online
2. Retro or retro-like
3. 2D platformers
Where are all the RPGs? Action games? Visual novels? Adventure? Exploration? Narrative-driven? And I could go on
Looks equally good as switch
@kobashi100 thanks for the link. I've never heard of this guy. Is he legit or just another "leaker"
@gatorboi352 I wouldn't say it's really a difference of opinion. Most people on here agree that if you want AAA third party games, Nintendo consoles aren't the best choice. People just get annoyed because the 3rd party support on Nintendo consoles hasn't been that great since the post-SNES era, so comments like yours about the third party games are somewhat redundant.
It's like going on a forum dedicated to something like the practice of knife combat and saying something like "Knives are nice for some uses, but if you want a weapon that can kill or incapacitate people quickly and from a distance, knives are not for you. Stick with guns." The people on the forum would probably agree with you, but they just enjoy learning and practicing knife combat and would probably get annoyed by someone pointing out something that they already know and has been the case for many years.
@Mando44646 Yes, I concur, all I see are puzzle games, indie games, but RPGs and the like are missing.
No VC either, clearly, Nintendo gives no damns about that.
@NowhereMan11 I would say it miss one certain type of AAA-games...western ones.
I don't see how it's the "real deal". It has no Virtual Console, has no real 3rd party games, especially Western developed games and is a pain to sift through by all accounts. Oh and then there's the Nintendo tax. A lot of devs seem to be hiking their prices for a Switch port.
@gatorboi352
AAA ??
Sorry !
I don't need that.
It would be so Horrible.
Your definition of AAA is definetely NOT Nintendo style.
Just Forget it !
The prices of many of these (digital) releases are insane though. Especially if we are talking games that have been out on other platforms for a good long time, and might already have gone through one or several Steam, PSN or XBL sales. I don't expect them to sell the game at an all-time low Steam price, but it would be nice if the age and the average price on other platforms would be reflected in the e-shop price in some fashion.
@Mando44646 I feel the need to point out, that the problem you are describing has little to nothing to do with the Switch itself, but everything to do with the Switch being a Nintendo console. None of these genres you are referring to tended to be major players on either the Wii U, Wii or even Gamecube.
Your (or really, our) only hope in that regard is for developers to eventually transition from the 3DS to the Switch ... which is not at all certain given Nintendos insistence on keeping the 3DS alive and NOT declaring the Switch its successor.
I guess what I am saying is that if the current line-up (announced and already released) doesn't speak to you, like Splatoon as an action game, Zelda as adventure, Xenoblade, Pokemon and Fire Emblem (not heroes) as a 'RPG', well, then I don't think you will be much happier a year or even two years from now. Sure, we'll also get a SMT game, and certainly some other kind of 3rd-party support in genres you mentioned, but it will most likely be very far and few between.
Remember the Wii sold like hotcakes, but it still lacked in all these areas you mentioned with the best in terms of RPGs only coming in at the very last minute and only after fans basically going berserk about it for some time
I'm not trying to make the look Switch bad, but ... you know, be realistic and offer some kind of reasonable perspective on your point. There is just not much reason to assume things will shake out dramatically different this time around - unless, like I said, developers transition en mass from the 3DS to the Switch, which so far is not certain at all.
@gatorboi352 If you're looking for epic, AAA experiences, Switch is not the console for you? Seriously? And what is Zelda then?
@gatorboi352 yet*
@gatorboi352 while I agree with you mostly, there are still some quality titles. The games are coming .
Being able to search by Alphabetical would be nice, as would searching by genre. I can browse the complete list by starting a Search without any filters, but it feels quite messy. At least I'm not having to sift through tons of pointless categories like on the 3DS eShop.
@Ralek85 Totally agree on the pricing. Cave Story+ for £20 or £25?
Whomever comes up with pricing needs to be spoken to firmly.
I don't agree yet.
The Switch eshop appears bare bones. I'm still rolling with the Wii U shop. The news today that both NBA 2K and WWE 2k's physical release have been delayed is brutal. I was actually hyped about these two releases and was considering a Switch purchase but this doesn't bode well to me. And where are the bigger games like Shadow of Mordor, Metro, etc. They can't seem to even secure ports as of yet from some of the heavy hitters.
@bradcorbet The US Eshop "coming soon" section is a joke.Up until a few days ago it only had 3 titles on it,Odyssey,Pokken and Minecraft Story Mode.Now it's added a couple more Troll and I and Use Your Words.It doesn't even have Mario & Rabbids.Compare that to the UK Eshop which has 22 titles currently and is regularly updated,sometimes every other day.
It's getting better week by week. Tomorrow looks to be a great update for the Switch this week. A big big surprise will be Srikers 1945!! A classic arcade shooter actually NOT being released by Hamster!!! Wow! Nice surprise! Now just imagine if the virtual console or whatever they end up calling it, was off and firing on all cylinders!! Oh man....the possibilities!
The organization is AWFUL though. I really hope it gets an update soon!
Dunno if it's the real deal. It's full of horrible games. They need to give the shop a facelift. Overall it's kind of a joke. I think it will get better though. I hope so anyway.
AFAIK, the only game I would classify as "major" coming this year is Mario Odyssey.
The real deal yeah more like a real bad deal!
I think it's mostly full of cruddy indie games and neogeo emulators... The Indies can be bought cheaper elsewhere too.
I am setsuna is essentially the only rpg so there's hardly anything to satisfy demand for that genre. And even then you can buy I am setsuna half the price from steam! The eshop is basically a switch indie tax generator for Nintendo right now.
I'm seriously disappointed with the eshop to-date. There's not even any concession for the games being download only. It's cheaper to buy the physical game from a retail chain in most cases.
How the heck can Nintendo life post this article? This is absurd.
@KirbyTheVampire
Great comment. The constant whining about lack of third-party support, specifically Western support baffles me more as time goes on. If you want those games, you buy a PlayStation, an Xbox or a PC. Nintendo aren't particularly good at getting those games and don't really show much interest in getting them.
So-and I'm trying not to be insulting here-how long is it going to take for the penny to drop with these people? Nintendo consoles have struggled with Third-party support for 21 years. Out of 7 home Nintendo consoles 5 have struggled for Western AAA support. Meanwhile Sony have released 4 consoles with those games on it. MS have released 3. Yet we have posters squatting on a Nintendo site endlessly complaining and seemingly surprised that their demands aren't being met. How long will it take, 30 years? 40? Will the penny ever drop? It's very strange.
@gatorboi352 -and calling people "Nintendo Defense Force"ers doesn't help your case either.
On topic, I agree with the article. The front end needs a refresh and an improvement. However the content has been excellent. Fast RMX, Thumper, Puyo Tetris, Shovel Knight, Dragons Trap, Graceful Explosion Machine, World of Goo and Snipperclips are a really good compliment to Nintendo's own output.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"has no real 3rd party games"
Yeah, those imaginary games are the worst. Pay money and you get fake code. Awful.
I dont see why anyone would object to Switch not having large triple A games. Zelda, Disgaea 5, Lego City, and Splatoon 2 are about what I see here. That's not to say there isn't fun to be had with Arms, or indies (Shovel Knight for example is amazing, but it's a retro 2d platformer, it's a few hours of fun). But most of them aren't huge or involving like games found on Xbonx or PS4. I know those games are coming, but I just don't see them right now?
@OorWullie that's because Nintendo of America has no Arceus damn clue what they are doing! They're always taking a back seat to what Europe and Japan is doing. The fish stinks from the head down starting with the Reginator!! He's just awful and a true professional BS artist!!
@Ralek85 The Switch is not the 3DS's successor. Can we just admit this already? Please? Cause continuing to insist it isn't going to make it any more true than it was before.
The fact of the matter is that the Switch provides a wholly different kind of experience than the 3DS does. No matter how much you try to boil either one down to try to fit your narrative, it won't without twisting meanings and words to make it fit, which make the whole argument nothing but an ugly mess.
The 3DS offers two screen functionality and touch screen controls. The Switch only offers one of those two things, and the touchscreen arguably isn't fit for touch screen controls, unlike the screens on the 3DS. Heck, no games even use the touch screen functionality to any degree.
That's without mentioning that again, the Switch is a hybrid. No matter how much you want to peg it as mainly a handheld, it isn't. The reveal trailer may have shown the Switch in portable mode a lot, but within the first 60 seconds, it showed you the concept of the console: a home console you can take with you on the go, and then dock it right back in when you're done to continue. The Switch's concept is a console with an increased social aspect.
End of story.
Yeah I agree with 1at poster.. needs more variety and org and music like the WiiU Eshop. WiiU Eshop is light years better.
And thus explains why we don't have a VC yet excuses in my eyes to pay more money for eshop games and wanting more subscribers for their internet service when it launches
A UI overhaul and the virtual console will make it absolutely perfect.
I'm probably going to get blasted for bringing up the Wii, but I thought the Wii eShop offered a far more streamlined way to browse and find games. The rest of the functionality was a bad joke, but categorized browsing was far superior to anything I've seen on any of the Nintendo eShops since. [Gives his still-active Wii a gentle pat.]
Much like @invictus4000 said, a UI overhaul is desperately needed.
The sleek, minimalist design was good for the first couple of weeks / months, but finding older stuff now is pretty cumbersome if you don't know its already there.
Plus, the eShop lacks character.
No more colorful categories, no more catchy elevator music. Its just super sterile.
@Burning_Spear that was a fun thing to read. I still hum all of the Wii sounds, the shop channel in particular
@Burning_Spear one thing is for sure the original Wii STILL imo has a far superior VC selection than the Wii U does. Even though Wii U added GBA & DS games, it did not make up for the loss of the Genesis, Master system, Neo Geo etc etc. I also recently grabbed a modded Wii on eBay with 7,200 classic games ready to play! Simply amazing!! 👍
@MegaVel91
Except the switch is 3DS successor. 3DS has done well but can't go on forever. It'll be gone by 2019 and Nintendo will have all their development focussed on one ecosystem, probably with a few variants.
@gatorboi352 Mario Kart, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario + Rabbids, Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade 2 etc.
After looking at your other comments, I'm not going to even bother after this reply.
@electrolite77 Let's just look at E3 gone. Would you care to name the 3rd party games announced? You won't even need your second hand to count them all.
I don't mind the design if the eshop on the Switch, since it is fast and responsive, but the options for sorting and viewing games is strangely limited. An alphabetic list and a random game spotlight might go a long way to improving the experience.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you're just butthurt because Nintendo made the sane choice to drop support of the Wii U when it wasn't selling or interesting people anymore. Go cry in a corner.
@electrolite77 Except it isn't. You did not use a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise. Whether or not the 3DS can go on forever is entirely irrelevant to the Switch's status as a handheld, a hybrid, or a console. It is a hybrid. The reveal trailer itself proved this.
I just wish that the e-Shop would allow for user reviews. It does not require curation, but I find reviews from other owners invaluable for my decision-making. It works for Google Play, Steam, and virtually every other place I can buy downloadable games, so why not for Switch?
@MegaVel91 Except it is. It's a hybrid device intended to replace both the 3DS and the Wii U so that they're no longer having to develop for two separate platforms.
The next main series Pokemon game (you know, the series synonymous with handhelds) after Ultra Sun/Moon is coming to Switch. That right there is definitive proof that the Switch is the 3DS successor.
The Switch eShop's UI is fine, but it needs upgrades. There needs to be more categories to highlight different games, as well as user ratings, preloading, and a cart function.
The best sellers chart also only counts for the past two weeks. It needs some filters for the past month and all time best sellers.
As far as the actual content goes I agree with the article.
@electrolite77 Agreed, which is why I don't understand why some people hate the hybrid concept so much. Even if they released a powerhouse, it wouldn't have gotten very good third party support, so why not just have it be a console and a portable in one package?
I actually have quite a few eshop games, but yeah a better UI and a VC would be nice.
Most Nintendo games are AAA. Zelda, Mario, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, etc. IDK what everyone is talking about. Also what constitutes as AAA? Is Rocket League less AAA than Overwatch? Is that less AAA than Minecraft?
@Rontanamo_Bay
This is an enormous bugbear of mine too, and one I have commented on at this site many times previously.
It's really poor writing form to mix these terms up and I cringe every single time.
The Wii U's eShop hosted some amazing indie titles, some of which I'd enjoy seeing on the Switch. The lack of Virtual Console services from a company with some of the most desirable catalog gaming choices on Earth is still remarkably humorous. And the shop could use some music. Ever walk into a silent retailer? It's kinda creepy. They could even pipe in the NES Classic Edition's menu music and it would be an improvement. Sales. The shop could use some sales. I love Nintendo but regularly purchase third party offerings on my PS4 because they regularly offer fantastic discounts, whereas Nintendo still makes us earn them through MyNintendo. Typically these discounts are for titles a lot of us have already purchased. If they can make an actual effort to make this new eShop a place of value that's fun to visit, it certainly couldn't hurt their numbers.
@stevejcrow If memory serves (I could be wrong) Cave Story was free on PC at one time.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
1) As my original point has whooshed over your head, please elaborate on your definition of 'real games'. I'm at the end of a night shift and fancy a laugh.
2) I didn't pay that much attention, however I'm perfectly happy with the level of support the Switch is getting. if it doesn't get a game I want, I'll buy it on Xbox One or PS4 Pro. If you were really bothered about third-party games, you'd have one of these (or a PC) as Nintendo Consoles haven't offered full third-party support for over 20 years. If you haven't got a machine to play these games on, you can't be that bothered about them, which makes constantly complaining about Nintendo not having that support meaningless.
@MegaVel91
You haven't provided any evidence either. Whether Switch has one screen or two is irrelevant as Nintendo aren't under any compulsion to put out a console with two screens. That Switch is a different experience to 3DS is irrelevant as that's entirely characteristic of Nintendo. We're all working off logic, it's just that some of us see the picture more clearly.
We can see Nintendo struggling to support two systems in three of the last four generations. We can see Nintendo merging their handheld and home development divisions in 2013. We can see quotes like this from Iwata in 2014 :-
"In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems."
We can see Nintendo diversifying into other revenue streams like mobile gaming to sit alongside their dedicated games console business. We can see how futile it would be for Nintendo to release a dedicated home console to go toe-to-toe with Sony and Microsoft. We can see how silly it would be to have a third platform (after mobile and Switch) to develop for. We can see how the space for dedicated portable games consoles has shrunk. We can see the potential for different Switch variations supporting different market segments but not requiring extra development capacity. We can see Nintendos first-party focus shifting to Switch while 3DS gets remakes from external companies and third-party games. We can see the next mainline Pokémon announced for Switch.
If you want to ignore all these things because Switch is different to 3DS rather than a direct sequel (as if a direct sequel is what Nintendo always do and are obligated to do), fine. Nintendo are very secretive and we're all guessing to a degree. We'll just have to see how it pans out come 2019.
I mainly wish that the eShop would take on you home theme. It sucks to check the store late at night and go from dark themed home screen to dazzling, blinding eShop.
Nine parchments is my most anticipated eshop purchase , just so ya'll know.
@Crono1973 And still is. If you want to, download it for free at cavestory.org.
Or, if you are a bit technically inclined, you can get the game running on a bunch of systems other than Windows! Like Mac, Linux, Amiga, Psp, Gp2x, Gp2X Wiz, Xbox, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo DS, Megadrive, RetroArch, TI-nspire, Gamecube, Dreamcast, MotoMAGX, MotoEZX, Dingoo A320, Raspberry Pi, Ritsmix, and AROS. Granted, some of these do have some liberties that were taken to get the games running.
Those Nicalis ports have nothing over the fan-base's dedication to Cave Story over the years!
Yes we have a diversity in eshop but only diversity. Most of the third party titles are either old ports or have mediocre quality. (remember that heavy weight title like persona or DQ don't have any release dates). And worst of all is the pricing. Who will pay 30$ for a game like Sine Mora which i bought years ago at 10$?? All in all eshop is the place for mediocre and overpriced indie games. (Except for first parties).
To be honest this version of the Eshop seems like a smokescreen to the lack of physical releases for Switch. Not to say there are no good games in the eShop, because there are. But ShovelWare is also present. It's also all coming so fast with very long waits between a physical release. It seems like the Switch is going to make the change to digital only releases real soon. That's just a gut feeling I get.
@Axlroselm totally agreed. Switch owners are paying more than other systems. It's becoming annoying.
@gatorboi352 I rarely am.
@Ralek85 i think a lot of the games are great but the prices are now stopping me purchase on the switch. Retro city rampage 12.99- nope sorry I'll get that on my vita for 7.99. Overcooked 17.99 😨 Try 7.99 for the gourmet edition on PS4. Blinding of Isaac is going to be 30 pounds- it was part of ps plus on the vita. The pricing is crazy- I've said it from day one.
@Windy see above
@KirbyTheVampire that made me laugh out a lung. Cheers man. 😂😂
Anyway forget AAA- I'm starting a tactical offensive on llamasoft to bring space giraffe and polybius to the switch. I'd take those over any 1st person shooter any day.
And what surprises is that except for minor cases we did not get substantial sales or discounts.
Overall agree, the eShop has potential and has had some pretty good digital titles thus far.
Yep, the UI needs some work with more categories, genres, listings and the ability to view everything.
HOWEVER
Please, please, PLEASE Nintendo stick to the simple design and if you have to include music make it possible to disable. I love the fact that the Switch's eShop moves so smoothly making browsing and shopping a breeze. I just want to do this calmly, not feel like I'm watching a show.
In contrast, the Wii U eShop just SUCKED. Design wise it wasn't too bad (dull though) but the biggest bugbear was its speed; or lack there of. It was SLOW AS MUCK (or wading through it) and make any session a frustrating chore.
So whatever you do Ninty, DON'T go back to the Wii U eShop style.
Quick, easy, calm, thats whats needed.
Retro City Rampage at 13$??
Haha give me a break...
@gatorboi352 hang on a minute- what titles are you exactly on about here. You seem very positive towards the Wii U. List the titles or types on there that you feel are missing or would like to see on the switch. If its stuff like call of crap or some other boring piece of sheepware my 14 year old plays then I don't understand why don't just play on PS4 and stop moaning. Moan about something that matters- like price of titles or the constant lack of terrible sales compared to other platforms.
@Ryu_Niiyama
Co-signed
Until Nintendo can actually put on a decent sale and give amazing discounts, the eShop will always and forever be... not very good.
They need to restructure the Switch eshop and make it easier to search for games...And I like sales, great sales, why I like my PS4 so much, Sony don't hold back with their sales.
@gatorboi352 BOTW?
I hope the E-shop gets a redesign soon, as it's awful. It needs genres, or a separate section for neo-geo games, as I'm never going to buy any of them.
@darthstuey I should have known these prices were coming on Switch when I pre ordered the Switch. I also own a couple 3ds systems and the 3ds shop hasn't exactly been a buyer's shop. However it does have an occasional good sale which I have taken advantage of. Hopefully the Switch Shop will get some weekly sales which I will also wait for. I didn't go crazy with the Switch. I picked up Zelda, MarioKart and Cave story for Physical releases and have bought 4 Eshop titles but I'm now holding out for sales. I will get Gear. Club from the Eshop on day 1 if the price is right but I won't stand for a retail price on it should they choose to do that. Make it a physical release if your going to charge retail. I would get it if that's the case. I really like playing the games I have for Switch, but I'm pretty much RPG only in my old age. So I can be patient and wait on the Physical releases if they are going to take a year. I just wish they would be fair about the Eshop.
Besides the lack of categories the shop is a lot easier to search than the ps4 one.
No useless avatars and backgrounds when searching through everything on sale that isn't movies and tv shows.
@MegaVel91 You didn't provide any "evidence" to prove otherwise either. Of course, no one is 100% certain, but I would agree with @electrolite77 that the Switch is (Or will be) the 3DS successor. The only reason it is marketed and currently positioned as a home console that can also go portable, is to preserve existing 3DS sales. There's nothing preventing Nintendo from shifting their marketing to more heavily emphasize the portable aspect, should they choose. I also think it is most likely we'll see Switch hardware variants, rather than direct successors to dedicated portable / home consoles.
EDIT: And of course, don't forget that the official stance was that the DS wasn't the successor to the GBA, either.
@MegaVel91 What you are going on about? I just posed a hypothetical in response to another comment. I pointed out that I don't see any future for those genres mentioned on the Switch UNLESS major 3rd-party development ressources are shifted from the 3DS to the Switch. I went on to say, that I don't see that happening with the current state of affairs.
And yeah, I implied that I would prefer such an outcome, but I also explicitly stated that Nintendo has already signaled, that this is not going to happen, as they eventually want to continue to their handheld business seperat from the Switch.
I think the past has proven that this does not at all bode well for the their homeconsole platforms, and I'm not quite sure yet how the Switch - hybrid or not - is going to change that. Hence I argued that if that is what the good sir is after, he would probably be well advised to steer clear of the Switch, because there is no reasonable argument to be made otherwise - sure, you can always fall back on wishful thinking and basic hope&see, but that rarely gets you anywhere ^^
As for your core argument though ... well, I think few if anyone would miss the dual-screen of the NDS/3DS, as it is barely used in any meaningful ways ever with actual games, and also, the fact that touch screen is not used, does not mean that it cannot be used. That is an insane argument to make. The Switch at heart, is an upgraded Shield Tablet, and obviously, just as with any Shield Tablet (or every non-Nvidia tablet) you absolutely can use the touch screen if need be.
More crucially though, for most 3DS game the touch screen is not NEEDED, even if it is indeed used. Hence, again, I don't see how the Switch couldn't (which was your point) properly succeed the 3DS. Of course it could.
Also, please be aware of the logical flaw of your argument: The Switch does not offer 2nd-screen capabilities right now, hence - by your reasoning - it could not have succeeded the WiiU. It did though ... yeah ... weird ^^
End of story? I don't know, I'm not sure, we'll see.
@MariOnline Not true, although I cannot fault you for not finding how to get a list on the e-shop. At one of the options at the left of the screen you have the possibility to select something like "see more" at the bottom of the screen, and from that you can browse the whole list. However this is really suboptimal, as you cannot sort the list in any way, and you have to redo the phole process if you go back and forth from the screen. (Not sure which option it was because I am away from home right now).
@essiw I did that but still no luck finding the games until I wrote the full name of the game in the search bar tool
@MariOnline, weird, I found every game I knew about that way. Still I agree that this is not how the e-shop should work.
@thesilverbrick
I do enjoy the absence of a lot of what I see as unnecessary fluff, like for instance user ratings, but the new background music every half year and at major events and releases was always a lot of fun on Wii U.
@essiw I just hope the fix it
@darthstuey Yes, so have I. Ever since I saw the $30 pricetag for Cave Story+ on the Switch e-shop, I was like ... is this a mistake by any chance!? Oo I got the game as part of the Humble Bundle 7 like 4 years ago, for a fraction of that cost, plus a whole bunch of other games as well.
I would have considered $9,99 to be on the upper end of the pricing scale ...
To be honest, all these digital shops being overrun by indie titles is not a good thing. To me it's like filler that isn't worth downloading for free on your phone (to demo the game before you buy it for real). The few games that I have downloaded on my phone to demo before buying on a console or on Steam have quickly convinced me they aren't even worth the time investment much less any money. Honestly, when are people going to stop buying 8 and 16 bit copycat games? Why so many puzzle games, are they just so easy to make? How many times have you looked at an eShop update and wondered if any of these indie games sell more than 100 copies?
Totally agree with what's being said here – I've been pretty interested in most of the big first-party releases (Zelda, ARMS, Splatoon 2) and the first "big" title I don't plan on buying is Pokken Tournament...but even when Pokken Tourney's month rolls around I think I'll still be finding new things to add to my wishlist in the eShop (Phantom Trigger, This is the Police, etc.) and blow cash on. I've already downloaded Shovel Knight and Thumper and am trying to convince myself not to pull the trigger on I Am Setsuna. The eShop is already pretty darn great, and it's perfect for someone like me who has made an active choice to mostly play indie games on his PC over the past few years because I'm a dad with a life and want to play games I can actually FINISH (I'm lookin' at you, Skyrim). The portability factor is HUGE for me. It does worry me a bit that the vast majority are side-scrolling, pixelated endeavors at the moment, but I have a soft spot for those as long as they're good and, well, it's early days...
That said, one of the biggest glaring omissions I see in the eShop currently is a rating system. I know it's early days, but I would be so happy to be able to read reviews or at least look at the number of stars attached to a title so that I can more easily differentiate between a 'must have' and a 'maybe later.' I don't think that's exactly Nintendo's style, but if they want to open the floodgates and allow everyone and their dog to release whatever they want, provided they can afford to port it, it seems to me that this is a great, simple way to curate within a system with open doors.
@OorWullie
There are no demos, either. I wanted to demo Hey! Pikmin, but the US didn't have the demo but the EU did.
@gatorboi352 Yeah you're right. First year, more like FFF games, ammiright? Zelda was pretty stinky. Odyssey looks like stink too. Splatoon? Much smoother on PS4. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? Broken af. Think I'll just wait for ports of FE and Xenoblade to PS4 and X-Box in the spring.
Meh, to me it's still a massive lump of unrealized potential. The UI is as spartan as it gets. Sterile is a great description. The Nintendo Tax (ex: Sine Mora, Cave Story+) is a real slap in the face. No classic Nintendo games. Neo geo games that have been available for everything under the sun...
It's still got a loooooong way to go.
The Wii U was littered with complete trash so I'm glad that Nintendo enacted a stricter eshop this time around (but the lack of VC is head scratching). There is no reason why rcmadiax and Tree Fall Studios should have been allowed to "learn the ropes" of game design, while getting paid in the process. The Letter, in particular, was an utter disgrace to the Wii U's library.
@Chunga That I agree with, but it definitely has a stream of AAA titles lined up.
@Dang69 lol u maaaaad
I can't even remotely agree with the article. There are maybe a handful of good games on the Switch eShop, that's hardly 'the real deal'.
It's full of average and sub-par indie titles and ports of mobile games, so while there might be less shovelware, the average quality is still far below of that from the Wii U eShop.
I think 5 months on it's got a good foundation and a nice selection of titles, but the major glaring omission is the lack of VC let alone any news about when it's coming. Neo Geo games are about the only that would come close to qualifying to it, and while those are nice to have, it's a small segment of the retro pie.
Also not to mention, this is the third generation in a row Nintendo's decided to hit the reset button on their VC and more than likely re-release titles at a trickle pace. Coming from the Wii and Wii U where you had NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, and TG-16 games, the lack of anything related to that (release, news, or otherwise) on Switch is a serious head scratcher, especially when even the lowly Wii U is still getting a pretty steady release of TG-16 titles in recent months.
Back at home, I just took a look at all those games mentioned in the article, because - you never know maybe I was wrong and quick to judge.
But they're even worse than I imagined.
Especially that 'picture' of Dimension Drive looked intriguing, but upon seeing actual gameplay footage I realized it's just another boring 2D shoot 'em up.
@ThomasBW84: That concept art of Dimension Drive is really misleading, I wish the article contained actual gameplay screenshots...
@gatorboi352 No. You were just being silly. If ya said 3rd party AAA - how could I have argued that!?
Great, by the time I can afford one it will be an outstanding little console.
@Rontanamo_Bay
My wife told me she thought we'd have less arguments if I wasn't so pedantic.
I said: 'I think you mean fewer'
@Dang69
Sarcasm Alert!
@shani I agree. There's a few games worth getting, but none that are truly awesome. I picked up a few at launch just to have something else to play bc 1 2 Switch looked so lame. I was like, hmmmm, how can I spend this $50? Anything will be better than 1 2 Switch. It has a long way to go before it is legit.
@MegaVel91 I would like to see Nintendo modernize the 3ds. Have it keep backward compatibility, but start releasing games that use the better specs. Of course, the author of this piece thinks Baby Park is one of the top tracks on Mk8, so this should come as no surprise that he is sunshine pumping here
@Sean161 Not true. I received a refund for a Switch eShop purchase in June because the ESRB rating was not accurate. It was actually pretty painless. Just took a phone call to customer support.
"Nowadays I find myself eyeing a purchase or two pretty much every week, even if I still try to be sensibly picky - I try not to 'hoard' game purchases that I'll never play and finish"
This is my mantra for the Switch aswell, and ive seen it popup alot amongst the Switch owners, i hope it means most people will buy quality over quantity and it helps drive the quality up for Switch games.
@Sean161 That's not my experience at all. It was nba playgrounds. There is swearing in the game which was not listed in the esrb rating. I pointed this out and they promptly refunded my 20 dollars.
I've spend about 300 quid on switch software and I think half of that has been Eshop exclusives
@gatorboi352 So far this is true. Not sure what this writer is talking about........2-3 triple A slam dunks and the rest is filler junk. I forgot this is Nintendolife so they are clearly bias in a postive way.
A game that I'd like to see on the Eshop is - if any one remembers it - is the single player 'tank game' from Wii Play back in the day. I reckon it'd make a fab 2 player competitive title. Possibly four players? Heck, they could even add online play. It'll never happen of course, but a real missed opportunity imo.
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