Putting the Nintendo Switch in front of the kids was a fascinating experiment. They had, of course, heard of the console but beyond that knew very little about it. So far Nintendo aren't again the talk of the playground - although give it a few months and that seems likely to change.
I got the console and various bits of plastic out the box (with a little help from Mario, as you can see in the video). Placing the kit on the sofa, I called my youngest in to see what he made of it — and see how intuitive the different elements were.
His first task was to place the Joy-Cons on the screen for portable mode. It took a couple of attempts and some fiddling but he soon had them slotted on.
In his smaller (9-year-old) hands the Switch still looked diminutive and portable. He said something to the effect of how it felt a bit like the PS Vita - "it's like the Vita 2, dad!" - I have to agree with him. The form factor, quality of screen and general high-end feel give this the air of something very different to the Wii U's Fisher Price stylings (and don't get me wrong, I like Fischer Price).
From here I asked him to attach the Joy-Cons to the controller grip. Once I'd explained what the Joy-Cons were ("Well how was I supposed to know, that's a silly name dad!") he deftly slotted them into place.
In this configuration he had to reach a little bit harder with his smaller hands but was obviously impressed by the look and feel of it. The materials used felt high quality and he literally couldn't stop stroking the blue and red Joy-Cons. He did make a variety of comparisons to various smooth things but I'll save your (and my) embarrassment here.
Finally he popped them off and attached the wrist strap. Here we did hit a temporary snag. He inadvertently mixed them up which meant he slotted them on back to front. At first I thought they were stuck on but a little bit of wiggling sorted it out. To avoid this you just need to match up the plus and minus sign on both parts of the controller.
The small Joy-Cons fit his hands perfectly and he soon took to finding all the buttons, waving them around and generally treating them like his other play-things. We didn't have any actual games at this stage, it should be pointed out.
We talked further about the Switch over tea. I was impressed that the console felt so portable yet promised full console gaming. I fully expect to hide on the loo with the Switch to find a few extra minutes with Zelda.
My younger son liked the Joy-Cons in separate mode because "it means we can play Mario Kart against each other much easier". I explained about the extra rumble feature and the Kinect-style camera included in the Joy-Cons, which drew awed silence from them. I'm excited about what the Joy-Cons offer, anyway.
My older son was firmly in the Switch Grip camp. He expects to play console games like FIFA using that more classic controller configuration. This made me realise that the Switch really needs a proper version of the latest FIFA (and Minecraft and Terraria) on it if it's going to battle the PS4 or Xbox for all round family gaming system.
Then of course there are the parental controls. These are head and shoulders above both what PlayStation and Xbox currently offer, not only because you can limit play-time but also because it can help parents understand which games their family enjoys playing.
After our first day with the system, and my children's insistence to do a stop motion unboxing with their pseudo Lego Mario, we are very excited to get our hands on the games proper. If I'm honest the Switch didn't really excite me at first but now I have it in hand I really can't wait to get going with it.
The build quality, novel ways of playing and line-up of games mean that this is going to be a big hit for Nintendo. It's hard to predict as big a splash as the Wii (it still needs its killer Wii-Sports / Nintendo Land system seller for the masses) but the Switch is going to sell out between now and Christmas — I'm sure of that. Don't miss out on what will become a defining next step for Nintendo.
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Vita 2, Lol...
""it's like the Vita 2, dad!"
A compliment to both, considering that Vita's whole schtick was intended to be "big home console games on the go". One may roll their eyes at people missing Switch's point as a HYBRID console, but I'll be the first to share the sentiment that Vita is Switch's spiritual predecessor in certain aspects. Sony even tried to bridge the gap in the opposite direction, but Vita and PSTV were separate units at the end of the day, so if anything, PSP's TV out had come closer (and made it an actual example of "a handheld you can connect to TV" some folks confuse Switch for).
It's nice to hear a family perspective, because kids being enthused is part of what will drive sales. Also, I think there will be quite a few extra minutes logged in the bathroom in several households...
"This made me realise that the Switch really needs a proper version of the latest FIFA (and Minecraft and Terraria) on it if it's going to battle the PS4 or Xbox for all round family gaming system."
This is literally the only thing that matters in this entire article, and is also the reason Switch will ultimately fail (or at best become yet another niche secondary, complementary console).
Games. It is only ever about the games. And Switch will not be getting the biggest blockbuster mainstream games. Just like Wii U.
@Shagaru lol wat
EDIT: actually, I agree with you. At this point, in 2017, I don't really see what audience the Switch is for (kind of like Wii U back in 2013).
Home console gamers and the Xbox/PlayStation brands are so married at this point that anything else doesn't even hit their radar long enough for them to deviate from the norm.
Kidz will simply stick with their iPads and whatnot for their Minecrafting.
Switch, like Wii U, really is for the Nintendo core. That's about it. Sure other folks who buy all the latest tech may get one as well, but this is also a niche audience.
@Shagaru
With the exception of FIFA I agree. You would be surprised how many 10-14 year olds that don't really watch soccer religiously game with friends on FIFA. It is on of the truly global video games.
@Rumncoke25 you gotta actually have games on it for folks to log minutes.
Also, Switch will not appeal to kids. Kids have their iPads for their Minecraft.
Zelda is 12+, you shouldn't let that kid play the game
@mateq I'm sure he'll be scarred for life. Who in their right mind would let a 9 year old play something as horrible and violent as Zelda? Hitting cartoony goblins with a sword and watching them poof into nothing? The horror!
@gatorboi352 Kids who only care about Minecraft probably wouldn't care about any gaming system at all.
@KirbyTheVampire I know, right?! What about the semi-nude fairies with huge cleavage?! Such a bad parenting, shame
@mateq He'll probably die instantly at the sight of it! I can't believe this irresponsible parent has the audacity to expose his child to such things when he's 9 and not 10+ (or 12+ depending on where you live) as the rating recommends.
@Shagaru
I agree. Fifa,Minecraft and Terreria are all on psvita and they didn't help sell the vita,especially in the USA
Nice to hear this perspective, thanks.
Andy,
A quick question please, is my 4yr old going to break it?
@gatorboi352 iPad? Doesn't Minecraft control much like a platform game in active segments?
@dew12333 no he'll be fine. I suspect there will be third party covers to help protect it. Do attach the wrist strap strips yourself though.
@nhSnork perhaps, but every kid i've ever personally seen play minecraft tend to do it on a tablet.
This isn't to say that traditional consoles with Minecraft aren't in play as well. I just don't see people buying a Switch for Minecraft (if and when it ever gets it).
@Shagaru
It certainly wouldn't hurt.
@gatorboi352 tablets are the cheapest tech to get games on out there, in parents' eyes. Regardless of comparative gaming experience. And consoles are rarely bought for one game anyway. But in terms of "if and when it ever gets it", Minecraft for Switch was revealed back at the January presentation, IIRC.
@gatorboi352
"Switch will ultimately fail (or at best become yet another niche secondary, complementary console)."
"Switch will not be getting the biggest blockbuster mainstream games. Just like Wii U."
"every kid i've ever personally seen play minecraft tend to do it on a tablet."
"I just don't see people buying a Switch for Minecraft (if and when it ever gets it)."
"you gotta actually have games on it for folks to log minutes."
Hey, what's it like being a troll for a living? Is the pay good? Oh, you don't get paid? You mean to you tell me that you do this for free?
No, it's just that I imagined there'd be something to gain, considering how much time and effort you put into it.
Great article. So excited about unboxing this with my boys next week. Gonna pick them up early from school to get it from Gamestop and we're gonna need out all weekend!! Going to be awesome!
His remark about the Vita is funny ... and relevant in a way he doesn't expect. I personnaly think Switch is the Vita killer. All J-RPGS and indies that make the Vita live are going to get a huge success on Switch I bet. There's already a ton of them announced.
So, even if the Switch has bigger ambitions, I think all the Vita's fans are going to .. well.. switch... to the Nintendo Switch.
@Manjushri Got them both last autumn, too, and I share the sentiment.
@CircuitWrangler3 don't feed the troll, he'll be eating crow soon enough
"it's like the Vita 2, dad!"
Probably the first person under the age of 20 who has heard of a Vita.
@Shagaru Why should they... FIFA only sells over a million units in the US every time.
Surely that's nothing.
@smashboy2000 there's this concern indeed, especially with Switch having more affordable memory cards (on top of everything else it offers above Vita) and Vita being as good as disowned in terms of first party support. But if Switch is popular enough, Vita might survive on a similar concept as the closest thing PS4 has to being Sony's "Switch" (and you know they're keeping an eye on it after they even tried a Wii U feature with "second screen"). Despite all the hurdles of remote play, it's still one and only way to play Horizon Zero Dawn or The Last Guardian on the go, and would logically remain so even if Switch had the innards of Xbox Scorpio.
And personally, if a game is already on Vita or 3DS, I'd heavily consider the Switch version's offerings beyond the graphical beef-up alone before making a choice. Although some titles like The Binding of Isaac already seem to account for customers like that. XD
@Manjushri Could not have said it better myself.
Thank you for this. I really enjoyed this perspective!
I usually enjoy the Family Gamer's videos being a family guy myself, but how many of these types of videos can we watch! Come on Nintendo! Lift the embargo and allow people to start showing some of the games.
I happen to also agree with some of the comments above, I think it will be a huge success in Japan at the very least.
@gatorboi352 The problem with your argument is, you're comparing it too much to a PS4/XBO/PC and not to it being a 3DS successor.
When games like Pokémon, Yokai Watch, Animal Crossing, Lego, Tomodatchi Life, Skylanders, Minecraft, Fifa, Mario, etc come out for it, it's going to do really well with younger gamers. Even, Eiji Aunouma considers it to be a 3DS successor, and will be bringing the 2D Zeldas to it.
And it does fit in a trouser and jacket pocket (as demonstrated by GameXplain). So while it's large, it is a true pocketable portable. Even the kid even thought of it as a Vita 2, so yeah.
@gatorboi352 Isn't the Switch getting the latest FIFA game? Or did I misread that during the January info dump?
@CircuitWrangler3 tbh you probably spent more time and effort formulating that reply
@yuwarite I'm not looking at it as a 3DS successor because Nintendo is quite literally stating it's a home console and the successor to Wii U.
@gatorboi352 What they say and what will actually happen are two different things. I can see this having a lot of success among portable gamers.
I know my kids are both pretty hyped about it, mostly for Mario Kart and Splatoon 2. Once those two are out, I may have a hard time getting the Switch to myself for my RPGs and strategy titles.
@Switch81tch Lol, yeah, I know.
If anybody is interested, Minecraft on console and mobile is pretty much neck and neck everywhere accept Asia where mobile wins. That's still pretty impressive considering how many people own mobile devices compared to consoles and the mobile version is only $7 compared to usually $10, $20 or $30 on consoles. PC surprisingly is behind everywhere but Europe.
So from this graph I'd guess Minecraft on Switch would be a good thing.
Brown is mobile, yellow is console, green is PC.
Why the derisive comments about PS Vita?
The Vita is a quality piece of electronics. As a game machine it is very capable and it plays games that are on par with the PS3. However, it obviously did not do very well and there are two main reasons for that. The first reason was that people felt it was overpriced for a hand held game machine. By the time that you bought the Vita and one of those heinously overpriced proprietary memory cards (which was pretty much mandatory) you had shelled out $320 plus.
The other reason the Vita failed was that Sony and their third parties were producing expensive HD games for it but their market research showed that $40 was about the most that people were willing to pay for handheld games, and they generally wanted to pay much less than that. Thus, they needed to sell a lot more copies to make a profit on Vita than they did on PSP. This led to the infamous decision by Sony to stop producing AAA games for the Vita because the economics did not make sense. In other words, they did not see that they could make a profit selling big budget HD games on a handheld game system.
I am sure that Nintendo watched that situation very closely and they learned from that. If they pitched the Switch as being a handheld game system they would likely run into those same mental blocks with the gaming public. People would expect the Switch to be much cheaper as a handheld game system and for the games to be much cheaper as well. Nintendo want to be able to charge $60 for HD games on Switch, not $40 and thus they need to convince people that it is a home console like the PS4 or Xbox One (which have comparable game prices).
Right now people are saying that Sony is done with portable game systems. I am not so sure about that. I do not think they will ever make a Vita 2. They will not create another HD dedicated handheld game system that requires its own library of games. However, if Switch takes off in a big way then I bet there will eventually be a version of the PS4 that is portable, plays all PS4 software (as downloads) and plugs into a dock for play on a TV with a dual shock 4 controller.
I'm excited, the Switch will be perfect for me this coming year. I'll be on the go a lot, and having the full console experience right in my hands will be perfect. Thanks, Nintendo!
The biggest argument in my house would probably be over who got to use it in handheld mode.
@gatorboi352 Minecraft is more of a console PC game than an iPad. We have Minecraft on both, and my kids hate the iPad version. They are strictly console with it. Makes me wish I hadn't dropped the $7.99, but it was our first version.
@RatKing64 People have certain expectations of a home-console system though, will the Switch be able to meet them?
@gatorboi352 By that logic, you'll also believe it when Nintendo said: "We're not looking to compete with Sony and Microsoft". Thus you should also believe Nintendo won't be going after complete 3rd party parity with the other guys, because they're not trying to compete as hard.
But regarding what Nintendo said, they said it's 'a home console that can be also used as a portable' - which is literally what it is. How you use it most, is based on your own preference.
And use your brain for a second; it's a 6.2" device. There is nothing that exists yet that can compete technically with the PS4, at a resonable price, with a decent battery life, in a device that small.
So set your expectations accordingly for what kind of 3rd party support is feasible on such a device, and remember that ALL of Nintendo's output (barring 3DS projects they're wrapping up) will come to this one device.
As a Nintendo fan, you should be very excited to have all of Nintendo's output on one device (finally, Pokémon and console Zelda on the same device), and excited for the prospect of strong Japanese 3rd party support and some western 3rd party support.
You are a gamer and a Nintendo fan, but let's be real here.
The much, much, much more common parent's perspective on the Nintendo Switch:
"What's the Switch? I can just give my kid my smartphone to keep him busy".
@yuwarite "ALL of Nintendo's output (barring 3DS projects they're wrapping up) will come to this one device." Unless they, at one point, truly confirm that 3DS' line folds into the Switch then yes, until then, no.
My kids all have 3DSs but they've been really hyped for the Switch. Looking forward to upgrading the family and having local Mario Kart and Splatoon battles. Also, apparently, them being able to have their own screen for multilayer Minecraft is a big issue.
Nice article, I've got a 4yr old daughter and this is our first gaming console/experience together. Really excited for some arms, Mario kart and sonic mania two player. Some general messing about playing video games together, like I did with my dad and the original nes. Love that the joycons are small like the original nes controller - can't wait 😊
We are a gaming family. 14 yr old son, 12 yr old daughter and myself a 45 yr old dad. We have 2 Xbox Ones, Wii U, PS3, PS Vita, PSP, 2 Wii's, Vita TV, 3 3ds XL's, 3 DSi XL's, 2 Full Blown gaming PCs and too many Ipads, Androids tablets and smart phone to count.
I have no desire for the Switch, just don't see the need for it at this time. Might pick one up Holiday season 2018.
My kids know it exists, but have shown no interest in it. None of their friends are talking about it either.
the kids are going to be very hard pressed to get the switch off me. if they ever do the wife acts as parental controls in our house, but she never really has much to worry about with Nintendo
@yuwarite look, it's Nintendo's downfall. Not mine. I'm just here to predict it. I mean it's right there laid out; every move they are doing (and more importantly not doing) indicate all signs pointing to a lack of mainstream success.
And if you think Nintendo is trying to be in this thing for niche success or to be secondary console, I don't know what to tell you.
@Shagaru Well FIFA has been in the top 10 games every year since 2012, so it's a pretty big deal, even in the US. You're right that it's probably not a system seller though, in any market, as it's kind of on everything.
'He did make a variety of comparisons to various smooth things but I'll save your (and my) embarrassment here.'
Down with this sort of thing!
Interesting this article focusses on how the Switch comes across to children & the family... when Nintendo is trying to market it to gamers & young adults. I know children may end up playing the Switch, but it seems ironic that when Nintendo HAS tried over the years to shed their "for kids" image, it doesn't take long for kids to enter the equation in the media.
I don't have children myself, but I have two nephews and there's no way they would be handling my £280 Switch console (if I had one).
Which comes back to a question addressed numerous times on this site before: will they be releasing a cheaper, more child friendly version of the Switch? You joke about the Wii U Gamepad being 'Fisher Price' but that's actually perfect for children. The 2DS is certainly toy like, and arguably so is the 3DS, compared to the Switch and Vita anyway. I see kids with 2DS/3DS consoles all the time. I doubt I'll be seeing them out and about with one of these.
This thread is still going? Mama mia...
Lol, Vita 2. I love my Vita, (Dare I say, a bit more than my 3ds), with it's indie and JRPG library, and having psone classics on the go was an absolute blessing, but Sony's poor marketing and lack of faith made it the way it is. I hope the Switch can hold up the torch that the Vita and 3DS are leaving behind.
@yuwarite
You are one of the very few people that paid any attention when Nintendo said over and over again that the Switch is a "console that can also be used as a portable".
Yet there are these types that ignore this and blatantly tell you no, it is a "portable that work as a console" as if they were the ones who invented it.
"A portable that also works as a console" will perform best when it is in it's primary mode, being a portable.
"A console that is also a portable" works best in it's primary role, attached to a TV. Then the CPU/GPU power is at full max, not at 50% or 75% when in handheld mode.
@gatorboi352 annoys a lot of emotional people and I like that. To me there are few things worst than compulsive "YES MEN".
Some call him a troll because he is NEGATIVE to the object they love. He does SOMETIMES however, offer food for thought about the system.
Your argument is the one I always promote when discussing how the Switch will succeed.
It will succeed if Nintendo properly manage the amalgamation of it's handheld and console divisions into the Switch.
Nothing is certain and success not guaranteed. Just because a few fanbs climax over the Switch doesn't mean Joe Public does.
Many of them probably want Nintendo to fail so their games can come to their phones and consoles (I may be joking.. but it is out there).
I think Switch will keep Nintendo in the game but it is not going to blaze any trails.
@Hotfusion "A console that is also a portable" works best in it's primary role, attached to a TV." Then why, according to GameExplain, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t2uY91kyg, does the handheld portion run smoother than when docked?
@gatorboi352
Some of my students wanna buy Switch even they know can't buy Switch due to lack of budget or still hasn't got permission from their parents. Hah ! Who said Switch will NOT attract kids ?
Btw, Why don't you just straightly buy Switch and prove yourself that you are wrong about your negatively against Nintendo ?
@gatorboi352 I am very interested in what you think Nintendo's goal is with the Switch?
@RatKing64 well said.
@UmniKnight "Unless they, at one point, truly confirm that 3DS' line folds into the Switch then yes, until then, no"
Eiji Aonuma himself has already stated that:
"The handheld development team will not be phased out because of Nintendo Switch. Switch will allow the users to bring their home console on the go, but this doesn't mean handheld game development like Nintendo 3DS will be discontinued."
In other words, Nintendo are not discontinuing traditional 3DS-like handheld games for the Switch. So we will see the smaller 2D Zeldas, and most likely smaller games like Picross, Touch! Generations style games, etc, on the Switch. Snipper Clips is a good example of them being interested in quirky portable-style games for the system.
@andyrob_24_7
I had enough near misses with the wii and some nephews to know what you mean there, thanks for the reply.
@westman98
It seems more people have heard of the Vita than Wii U when u look at lifetime sales. So far Vita sales 15.3 mill and Wii U 13.8 mill, Also it must be noted the vita still sells about 1.5 mill units a year,so it will probably reach Gamecube like sales when Sony pulls the plug on it. They will probably sell it right upto the end off the ps4 life cycle cause of remoteplay . Still not great sales though but still better than Ninty doomed Wii U.shame really cause I liked the wii u,I thought off TV Play was genius
A lot of talk about needing Minecraft but we all know if a proper Pokemon comes to the system it drive demand with this demographic.
@TreasureFan
Rather than marketing it the problem was the price of it and those expensive memory cards plus games at £40 plus. Fear not my friend it ain't going anywhere there are 200+ games announced for it in 2017 and others for 2018 already. Many of those are exclusive for it or also on ps4. Sony don't make games for it anymore but behind the scenes they still do deals with Indies for them to bring their games to vita. Developers like Square Enix Sega Namco Atlus Koei Tecmo plus many others still make games for it,the torch won't be passed over anytime soon
I really miss the days of AAA games being £39.99 max. Unfortunately we have to pay £59.99 or sometimes £69.99 which is far outside my budget most of the time, which means that I can only afford about 5 AAA games in the console's lifetime and maybe a couple smaller ones (e.g. virtual console (although it's not that cheap anymore either)).
@gatorboi352
Neither did Wii and it sold like hotcakes. I think Nintendo still thinks it can work that way. Problem is, Wii had such a new and appealing gimmick that it sold consoles, but ultimately people got bored. My church has like 5 wii's.... that no one ever plays and they feel no need to upgrade because of that.
But motio control ended up little more than a gimmick, like say... a cow milking game........ Then instead of blockbuster's, Wii got shovelware.
Not sure about the need for FIFA. I'm sure once the first Pokemon or Monster Hunter game releases, it will sell like hotcakes.
@KirbyTheVampire for real lol
@CircuitWrangler3 -It wouldn't be a Nintendo related article or website without a few of the always-upset and perpetually underwhelmed trolls.
The one you replied to has been doing this shtick for years. It makes you wonder at what point do they realize Nintendo and it's products just aren't for them and they should move on and find stuff more suited to their tastes.
Oh and my favorite excuse is that back in their day Nintendo was this or that...well it looks like Nintendo has moved on but they haven't.
@NintySnesMan
Vgchartz is not an accurate source for gaming sales.
@westman98
Very true but it's a guideline. A good example would be vgacharts has Japan vita lifetime sales at 5.320 but Famitsu has vita at 5.540 million,that's a extra 220 thousand more. Famitsu are pretty accurate. Sony don't release vita data but I would say lifetime sales so far are higher than what vgacharts say. I used their data cause I was trying to be conservative. All said and done it's still not fantastic numbers but OK for a so called dead machine that's still selling even if it's only moderate sales. I remember all the doom and gloom posts saying it would never reach 14million. I think it will go on to do Gamecube sales,unlike Ninty Sony machines hang around for ages. But who knows the future some ppl on here think the SwitchTwich will be a massive success and others predict failier
@NintySnesMan That's good to know. I'm glad to see the Vita lasting a little bit longer, thank you.
You missed out the OTHER way to play Switch...on a TV.
Anyway, do we even know when that parental controls app is out? Launch day? Or later on? Presumably the app for online chat isn't coming day one either...
@BiasedSonyFan sales = support you fool. How do you not understand this? The lack of sales is directly correlated to the lack of 3rd party support on Wii U.
If Switch isn't a commercial success, it's literally going to be a Wii U 2. There's already tangible proof that Switch is in line to have less 3rd party support than Wii U, Nintendo's worst home console performer ever.
@NintySnesMan
Sony has never provided public sales figures for the Vita. Famitsu/Media Create is nice enough to provide sales data for the Vita in Japan on a weekly basis, so Vgchartz's sales numbers for Japan are fairly accurate in that regard. Nintendo and Sony are also nice enough to provided quarterly 3DS, Wii U, and PS4 shipments, so Vgchartz can loosely approximate based on that information, though they are often times still off.
Vgchartz's Xbox One and PS Vita sales figures outside of Japan are nothing more than guesses, as neither Microsoft and Sony have given sales numbers/shipment for either of those two platforms.
@gatorboi352 It's not all a linear correlation equals causation situation though.
How do you get those sales without a sizable third party library, and how do you get a sizable third party library without sales? - You may as well ask about trees falling in forests.
There are other factors of course: ease and cost of porting which was a huge obstacle to the Wii U once it got into it's early to mid life doldrums.
Also, Sony and Microsoft changed the game for western developers. The PS3 should have bombed harder than the Wii U, but Sony eventually ate a ton of money and went through multiple revisions and price drops to push Blu-Ray and HDTVs into everyone's living room...which was the primary intention of the PS3 in the first place.
@gatorboi352
"I'm not looking at it as a 3DS successor because Nintendo is quite literally stating it's a home console and the successor to Wii U."
lolz
Nintendo says a lot of things. This is the same company who turned the phrase "3rd pillar" into a popular meme.
The few consumers who actually read these PR statements won't care what Nintendo says when their marketing has focused exclusively on the Switch's portability and controller versatility.
@westman98
Glad you brought up "third pillar" because that's just more indicative of the jilted Nintendo hater than anything else, really.
People STILL try to apply that to Nintendo after over a decade because they allegedly dropped the GBA too early thanks to the wild success of DS. The GBA still had games coming out in 2006-2007, first and third party, but Nintendo must support every platform forever or they're betraying these jilted ex-girlfriend fans.
I am excited to play 1 2 switch with my wife and daughter. Neither are much for gaming as a whole, but they have been slowly getting into it with he nes classic and a few games on the Xbox and PS4.
@BiasedSonyFan odd reply, coming from a biased sony fan.
Either way, you're probably too young to remember this but Nintendo once had ALL the games on their systems. But I digress... Your rebuttal of "just go buy those other platforms for those experiences" is so tired and lacking effort. Oh ok let me just go drop hundreds of more dollars because Nintendo forgot how to be great at the only thing they do as a business.
@westman98 it doesn't matter what Switch ends up actually being the successor of because unfortunately for Nintendo (through no ones fault but their own) the Switch will not be the Wii-like success they and their investors so desperately need it to be.
If Switch is another niche product with no mass appeal, Nintendo will be in for some hard times and major changes this next decade.
@Action51 you make great points, but Nintendo's current situation is only due to their own doing.
They have historically been known for basically snub nosing 3rd parties with the exception of a rare few that agree to silly exclusive deals or tie ins with Nintendo franchises.
Sony and MS knew exactly how to take the industry from Nintendo and it was by simply treating other companies and their IPs with the utmost equality.
Nintendo's arrogance on the other hand has them in a distant 3rd.
@gatorboi352
Your argument was that people would view the Switch as solely/mostly a home console because Nintendo "called it" a home console successor to the Wii U, and would thus have no interest in it, much like the Wii U.
The thing is though, the Switch is also a handheld, meaning it will have many attributes that the 3DS had, particularly with regards to its portability (obviously) and its software, as @yuwarite mentioned.
@gatorboi352 Clearly your kids don't act the same as the ones I know - all of whom are loving the idea of playing a potential Minecraft (and especially Mario Kart) on the Switch. The specs wont hold back games being released on it. If people buy it, the third party's come in, simple as that - and so far, the amount of people praising it is far higher/better than the Wii U ever was.
I'm sure as soon as a few kids start getting the Switch and showing it to friends they will be able to show off how different it is to a phone or tablet.
Convincing parents is going to be more difficult.
I'm a huge gamer and have been since I was about 5. My wife, on the other hand, only occasionally played her brother's games growing up. To her the Switch is just another console and not that impressive.
I'm aiming to win her over with 1 2 Switch and Snipperclips. I figure that in playing games that use some of its unique features then she will realise how significant the console is moving forward.
@Talkshowhost Snipperclips is an epic party game it looks like.
@gatorboi352 I feel like you're giong to have a very hard time supporting that opinion that kids are not interested in the Switch.
@BiasedSonyFan Why do so many people call @gatorboi352 a troll? I've never seen him harass anyone. I'm pretty sure if he were doing that he'd have been banned already since this site has pretty strict policies. so what makes him a troll? because he has a different opinion? Why shouldn't he come here and express his opinion? Why do people get so emotional over these things?
@tedko Mainly because it's been explained to him several times that the Switch is both portable and home console. But he continues to spout the same rhetoric, comparing it solely to a home console. To be fair, he's absolutely right about Nintendo's home consoles; they have been in decline since the N64, due to Nintendo's mistakes.
However, he's not stopping to consider the fact the Switch is less destined to repeat Nintendo's home console mistakes, by virtue of the fact it's also a portable, and since 1989, Nintendo has always been the most dominant in the dedicated portable gaming market.
Since 2015, Nintendo have been slowly merging their home and portable divisions in to one unit, and the Switch is a product born from this idea - that all divisions produce games for the same device, to avoid game droughts.
Anyway, I could probably write a thesis on why the Switch was the smartest console Nintendo have ever made, and why the move to ARM based architecture is logical. But I doubt anyone, in particular gatorboi352, would read it.
@Findonovan95 Stop buying Nintendo games and you can play AAA titles for as low as $9.99. Both Xbox and PS have AAA GOTY edition games with lots of DLC often on sale for $9.99 brand new.
@Hotfusion interesting discussion. My question is, "what defines success?"
@yuwarite I agree with you. I do think the Switch was a smart move by Nintendo and I think it will ultimately be a success. But I am a little disappointed in the way they've handled the launch and will be holding off buying it for now.
I guess my comment was just to express my amusement that people get so worked up on these forums.
@gatorboi352, lol your still at it! Even more energetic with your anti Nintendo propaganda than ever before. Has the Switch made you nervous in your Sonyfanboy nerves?
@ronnande *you're
Also, I don't even own a Sony console.
@tedko apparently around here "difference of opinion = troll".
Meh.
@yuwarite nothing Nintendo does, be it a home console, portable or hybrid, will mean anything whatsoever if they don't have the GAMES to support it.
We already know a Nintendo console cannot survive off of their own franchises alone (i.e. Wii U). We also know Switch is in line to have even worse 3rd party support than Wii U which was the biggest commercial failure since Virtual Boy.
Stating things like 'well Nintendo has always been king of the handhelds' isn't an argument for Switch's success.
@gatorboi352 The problem with your argument is that you've done no research on the success of the 3DS.
To throw some numbers at you, the 3DS has currently sold around 63 million units (which is about 10 million more than the PS4). It has just outsold lifetime sales of the PlayStation 2 in Japan (PS4 is at around 4.2 million and Vita around 5.4 million over there currently; it's clear that Nintendo are the console king of Japan).
It has around 50 games that have sold 1million+ units. It has the highest selling game across any current console (Pokémon X/Y at 15 million; GTAV at ~14.5 million on PS4) and Pokémon Sun/Moon is currently at 12 million and looking to break that record.
As for "We already know a Nintendo console cannot survive off of their own franchises alone"
Actually, that's untrue; the top 12 selling games on 3DS, have all been first party Nintendo and all sold around 4 million units+. In total Nintendo have 40 1st party published games that have sold 1million+ on the 3DS (and these are mostly retail figures; it's probably higher with digital sales).
So when you think about it, there's been about 50 games that have sold 1 million+ on 3DS, but 40 of those were from Nintendo. That completely contradicts your argument.
So yes, with a 63 million selling device (a sales success, we can all agree) that has around 40 of their games selling over 1 million+ on it, means Nintendo can totally survive off their franchises alone.
@yuwarite the problem with comparing to the 3DS is that it's apples to oranges. The comparison starts and ends with the fact that both consoles are portable.
Switch is twice as expensive, and the only time the 3DS was even as close to being as expensive as Switch it failed so hard that Nintendo hacked the price down and gave early adopters free games to keep the peace.
@gatorboi352 I doubt price will be a huge barrier for anyone in the first 12 months, but we'll see. Considering the value proposition of the Switch - as a device which serves multiple uses, and has all the required peripherals (dock, grip, straps, cables, 2 Joy-Con, etc) bundled in - I don't think $300 comes across as expensive.
Also, price would be solvable in a similar way - by simply releasing a new smaller version of the Switch.
This "Switch Mini" would cost a lot less to manufacture. It would have the same specs and use the same game cartridges, but have a smaller screen and not come with a dock, and perhaps no detachable Joy-Cons, either.
@BiasedSonyFan you can't be serious.
Ok, how financially successful the system is, meaning how well is it selling, is a direct correlation to how much support (i.e. games) it could potentially receive. And how much interest it gains from other parties.
Unless Nintendo is about to start throwing a bunch of money at a bunch of 3rd party developers to develop for their system, it better sell well now by offering a perceived value to gain early adopters.
@gatorboi352
I guess it's Nintendo's fault for not being a massive global electronics and licensing corporation that used video game consoles as a way to push new media formats and hardware.
PS1 - pushed compact disc format, Sony also a major recording industry publisher.
PS2 - pushed DVD format, Sony also a major film distributor
PS3 - pushed blu-ray and HDTV, Sony holds partial patent rights on Blu-ray, and manufactures HDTVs
Just saying...they could take huge losses on their hardware and licensing for video games in order to push these formats, hardware, and licensing on what used to be larger industries.
That doesn't make Sony evil or insidious (though you would surely claim Nintendo were had these roles been reversed) it just means they changed the industry by being essentially the biggest fish that jumped into a pond where Nintendo and Sega had grown to be the bigger fish natively as an industry.
Does that make sense?
@BiasedSonyFan LOL. Basically making my point for me.
Yeah, that's just it, Nintendo is in a spot anymore that if you want anything other than a Nintendo game you have to go elsewhere. No wonder they're in last place.
It's clearly not just me that is wanting 3rd party content either, or else PS and XB wouldn't be running circles of success around Nintendo these days.
@Action51 "I guess it's Nintendo's fault for not being a massive global electronics and licensing corporation that used video game consoles as a way to push new media formats and hardware."
It's Nintendo's fault for refusing to take a loss on anything pretty much ever.
They should really try expanding their range. The theme park move just seems "too little too late".
Even still though, Nintendo has enough dough in the bank to take huge risks and they continue not to, at least within the last 2 generations now. Instead, they make half-assed moves in ways that the mainstream just shrugs their collective shoulders at.
@BiasedSonyFan I'm guessing you just started gaming around the PS2 era or something, or else you'd understand how great Nintendo once was, and more to the point, how far they've fallen.
@gatorboi352 - Let it go, man.
I grew up on the Transformers G1, yes I'm that old.
The Micheal Bayformers are what they are now. They aren't going back.
More to the point, the market changed around Nintendo. You people complain when they change, and you complain when they hold on to tradition.
We still have great titles from Nintendo. Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, Pokemon, Donkey Kong Country, Splatoon... All at the top of their game (pun intended). That's pretty impressive in the age of milking sequels and annualized cash cows.
I'm sorry if not every franchise is as perfect as you remember it from the 16 bit days, but that's life, man.
@Action51 hmmm, I don't think I'm making my point clear, if that's your takeaway.
New Nintendo is the one I have issue with, not traditional Nintendo.
@gatorboi352
Old Nintendo is not coming back.
Old Sony, Microsoft, Sega, Nintendo, Atari....Phillips CD-i...is not coming back.
Sorry.
The industry is always changing, the parameters change, our content delivery channels have changed, competition for viewer eyeballs and interest has changed.
For better or worse, "old Nintendo" is not ever coming back. Not sure how old you are, but this is the fact you must face eventually.
Hey...it took me a while to admit that Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, and Alice in Chains style rock was never coming back, just as people that grew up in the 70s lament that Zeppelin, The Beatles, and James Brown aren't ever gonna be the popular style again.
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