In some respects the graphical power of the Nintendo Switch, though still mysterious in terms of detail, isn't too difficult to figure out. Developers sticking to non-disclosure agreements generally avoid specifics, but due to the portable nature of the system it's unlikely to be bleeding edge technology; Nintendo has focused on concept over raw graphical power for multiple generations.
Venturebeat is the latest to pitch in, though it's worth noting that it's reinforcing previous reports from earlier in the year that we understand to have some solid sources. Citing its own sources, Venturebeat sub-site Gamesbeat states it believes the system won't quite match the original PS4's capabilities; it speculates that "performance may be close" to Xbox One. In the Summer talk was of a system that was potentially a little below the core specifications of PS4, so this assertion isn't entirely new.
It links this to the underlying technology driving the custom Nvidia Tegra chip, stating that it's the older 'Maxwell' architecture and not the newer 'Pascal' equivalent. Pricing and the practicalities of manufacturing - with Pascal coming a little late for the Switch release schedule - are cited as potential issues.
As stated above this is similar to reports from earlier in the year, such as rumours that early demonstration and development kits were working off an overclocked Tegra X1 chip; it's always seemed likely that the Switch would focus on affordable and economical chipsets. Nintendo isn't going to succeed in the current arms race that's currently engrossing Sony and Microsoft, in any case.
It's worth reading the Venturebeat article if you're intrigued, as it also summarises and repeats a lot of reports from recent months. In terms of the great power debate, it's worth noting that it's all more complicated than online debates often consider. Architecture and development tools can be as important as the raw graphical grunt, while Nintendo has a track record of focusing on concepts and innovation to sell its systems. In cases like DS, 3DS and Wii that strategy has worked well; with Wii U, it didn't pay off.
In any case, let us know what you think of this topic in the comments.
[source venturebeat.com]
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How about we all just wait till January 12th
Yeah, @bruh
His article was poorly written and he doesn't seem to know the difference between Pascal and Maxwell.
Also, it was always going to be "weaker, yet ballpark of Xbox One" regardless of Pascal or Maxwell. We knew that already lol
If it is portable and has the power somewhere between last gen and this gen that sounds pretty good to me. Gta v on the go anybody?
If it's lacking in power I can see this ending only one way. It's great if you're after a portable but I want it as a home console so portability is of no use to me and the sacrifice in power to accommodate this feature is wasted. It's a hard thing to explain, but it's Nintendo giving up on Wii U but not giving up totally on some of Wii U's ideas. Oh, I don't know, hurry up January 13th so Nintendo will finally blow the lid right off.
Edit: It may depend on how far behind the competition the ports are. If Switch has the inferior ports compared to the competition and you're not interested in portable gaming then it's lost a big chunk of potential consumers. The Wii U third party ports didn't sell because they were inferior.
@Bruh Agreed.
Oh, this article is nothing but a bunch of baloney sandwitch!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you are very short sighted if that's the case.
You're a fool if you aren't expecting some concessions to be made for the benefits of its portability and price range.
Don't be yuletide fool. You can wait some four and a half months until April Fools, can't you?
It doesn't have to match PS4 it just needs to get close enough so the power excuse can not be used by third parties for leaving it out of certain games.
Oh please, let's have more baseless speculation.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Maxwell vs Pascal is mostly a difference of power consumption and efficiency, not performance.
Nintendo are never going to win the power race. Even if they match or best the PS4, the next gen they'll be lagging behind again anyway. As long as it's more powerful than the Wii U, that's all you can expect.
@Ignatius I just wanted to say that your username and icon are simply awesome.
@Ignatius I'm just saying, we still don't have all the details yet. And it worked out well for the Wii U didn't it?
Hmm, this report seems to go against a few other leaks & rumours as well miss the real importance of USB-C (potential additional hardware in later docks). But until January nobody will know! Correct @Bruh.
Even so, with some people struggling to imagine it could be more powerful than the Wii U, the fact they still make it out to be closer to the XB1 should be a good sign.
Oh and just to note Nvidia confirmed "We’ve optimized the full suite of hardware and software for gaming and mobile use cases. This includes custom operating system integration with the GPU to increase both performance and efficiency." So the fact this report mentions a "not full version of Android" makes me suspicious.
I mean
did anyone honestly expect it to.
I mean, really?
this is Nintendo, after all.
Even less powerful than ps4, as long there are Tons of amusing games, especially cute games that's more than enough for me. Animal Crossing doesn't need as same Ultra HD level as FF XV. But Ultra HD in cartoonish style is exceeding my expectation.
@andregurov thanks!
Rumors, rumors, rumors. Before the reveal, that's all we got...then nintendo revealed it and now we're still getting rumors. As long as the system has the power of XBONE, or even comes close to the PS4, it'll be just fine...there's only so much you can do right now with a system that's also a handheld, and if people are looking at power, then why did the 3DS outsell the VITA, when the VITA was more powerful....or the DS outselling the PSP, when the PSP was more powerful, or the original gameboy outselling the Game Gear, when the Game Gear offered Color and was more powerful. The thing that matters the most, is the games, how many games and the genres of games...that's what they need the most, but they also need to get a little more power in their systems...there really hasn't been much of a graphical difference between the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U...I said not a lot, before people start pinpointing the HD.
Ehhh, I think having Maxwell instead of Pascal would be a mistake, especially in a portable device where power consumption shoule be minimal. Hopefully this report's inaccurate.
so nothing new to report eh?
Given that Xbox One and PS4 are now the industry standard in power, something around this level is good. It means the Switch can't be sidelined due to being too underpowered or difficult to work with, unlike the Wii U.
While some might worry about the PS4 Pro and Xbox 2017, those will be targeted at a specific market with mainly ports and technical demo games and expensive VR add-ons, that virtually 99% of people can't even enjoy fully on their current setups.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE lol this system has zero chance of selling as poorly as the wiiu. 3ds fans better hold on to their butts tho. That bad boy has a year at most left to live.
We all know the Wii was a "lightning in a bottle" situation and a fluke, so with that in mind let me bring up some points.
Nintendo focusing on concepts over hardware has failed them 3 of the last 4 times in their home market. Remember when Nintendo last properly focused on hardware specs? They won that generation and the SNES went down in history as one of the best (imo THE best) consoles of all time.
Add the 3DS into point 1 as well. Concept, not hardware, system was almost DoA for months after launch. Devs limit the involvement of 3D as much as they can sometimea because it just isn't worth it. I haven't even found a single part at all in Pokemon Moon that has 3D. Even 1 v 1 battles struggle sometimes in 2D, let alone the 2v1 or 2v2 while idle where it tanks. And yes, I have a New 3DS XL.
Dev tools and optimization can only go so far. But this works in Nintendo's favour too. Nintendo have a history of great looking and performing 1st party IPs, usually a little above what can be the expected level of graphics and performance, look at Mario Kart 8.
If it is Xbox One level of power, that makes sense if the screen is 720p or 900p, both of which are rumoured and neither of which is confirmed as far as I know.
What does worry me is if it's based on the Maxwell X1. Sure it'll probably be a custom overclock job as they say it is but even with customization and in house optimization it's still based on the aging X1. As a basic comparison, the X1 in my shield tv can run 360/ps3/wiiu level games (multiplats of course) at slightly better graphical settings at either a more stable or higher frame rate. Meaning it doesn't even "beast" 6 year old games. Starting with a lower base gives you an overall lower potential maximum.
I will say though, the X1 maxwell is awesome for GC and Wii emulation so if Nintendo focus on that properly, it could be an epic surprise. I'm talking native up to 1080p, 16x AF and up to even 8x MSAA all while keeping a solid frame rate, game depending of course.
TL;DR though
We won't know anything for sure till January at the earliest.
@JLPick Lol, just the be picky... the Gameboy outsold the Game Gear due to battery life & that was a big part of the DS beating PSP. Sony cut the PSP's battery life massively by using spinning media.
However, you ARE right. Games matter more than raw power. I think Switch will have a good mixture of both.
PS4??? Ha and Ha.
If this thing is even a Wii U x2 I'll eat a chair.
@yomanation Even if it was using Pascal, it wouldn't be Xbox One level and would be Maxwell level in performance (custom chip).
I don't care about 4K. I just hope it can play most, if not all the games that the PS4 and Xbone can.
@SuperToe Prepare to eat chair, the old X1 in the Shield benchmarks over twice the Wii U already. They'll be getting a newer version & a LOT more power behind it.
@doctorzzim
Power is Not everything, but gameplay does matter. You know what, I would rather buy Miitopia with non HD graphic but can deliver 3D aspect and Hillarious gameplay experience rather than Ultra HD FFXV but with boring Action RPG style and not interesting character looking and storyline.
@SuperToe
The chair must be so yummy.
Don't forget add some salt.
Oh yay... It's another [email protected]#&*+! rumor...
I don't generally care too much for console multiplatform titles as you can usually get the best experience on PC anyway. However, in Nintendo's case, they are offering a console/portable hybrid. With this in mind, any multiplat title, assuming it still runs well, has something that no other console or PC can offer.
I personally enjoy dreaming of a world where games like Persona 5, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Resident Evil 2 Remake, etc come to Switch, not only because I'm a fan of those franchises as well as Nintendo, but because any game on the Switch is offering a novel way to play that is neither incredibly gimmicky or available on other platforms. This is why, now more than ever, I think that having a good amount of power to satisfy third party developers would be an amazing benefit to Nintendo, Nintendo fans, and anyone who buys a Switch.
Whenever I think of a possible future where the Switch gets good or even great third party support, I get a little bummed out because it's just not very likely. But there is one positive aspect to the Switch that I think will make it remain appealing to Nintendo fans: a console that gets all of Nintendo's attention. Developers will finally no longer be split up by handhelds and consoles (well, aside from the first year or so).
Not only that, but we'll get to see some handheld franchises in HD (the first for some), such as Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Pokemon (and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon), among others. I think it's also safe to assume that the Switch will retain the smaller Japanese third party developers that were on the 3DS, unless they move to Vita and enjoy selling two copies.
The Switch doesn't need incredible power to be a good or even a great console. As it is, it already has the makings of a very good Nintendo-only console. But if it is powerful enough to keep third party developers on board for the long run, it could very well be the best Nintendo console ever.
Maxwell Switch? No Pascal switch?
There are 2 ways we could look at this, I guess. Pascal has far better power efficiency, but Maxwell overclocks like a champ, which could provide the extra boost needed to run games at 1080p when docked.
I'm all for Pascal though, and am disappointed by this, hoping the GPU uses the Pasca; architecture
Especially considering how much more powerful laptops have gotten since August because of it, I don't think they'd just go Maxwewll
January can't come soon enough, it seems.
I feel like we're near the point where power will matter less. Maybe games won't look as good, but it won't matter because they look good enough.
It's all about two words imo:
"Fun Factor"
This is the only reason I play games since 1984..
Boring. . .
@yomanation I think one thing that's missed is that the X1 was already rivaling the Wii U on Android devices where it was heavily limited by not allowing system specific optimisation. Let's also not forget, Doom 3: BFG Edition ran at 1080p 60fps on the Shield. A newer customer X1 would easily outpace the 360/PS3.
However, this rumour seems to go against a lot of consensus including the fact new dev kits were sent out recently which apparantly made a huge impact on battery life. A possible sign of more powerful un-clocked hardware or even a more energy efficient chip? Oh and working "X2s" were seen out in the field a couple of months ago I believe.
Either way, NONE of this is going to be settled until we SEE the thing.
If every game can produce 720p-1080p with 60fps I will be happy because honestly I have zero expectations with Nintendo hardware wise, I mean why did they made the 3DS? I would much prefer a HDS!
@yomanation Yes, indeed. I mean, can you imagine the battery power alone required to operate a portable PS4 or Xbox One for more than 20 minutes??
Speaking of battery life, I'll eat a second chair if we get more than 2-3 hours of solid gaming from the Switch.
But, oh, those hopes are high, aren't they?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'm with you.. I have absolutely no interest in a portable.
@yomanation Well to be fair, I don't believe this rumour much at all, but I'm not going to shout people down or spam the comments... I'm just using the information available.
Yes, if this is true the Switch would not rival the PS4 or Xbone, but it would be a good chunk more powerful than a PS3/360. However, the grain of salt I'm taking with this leak MAY just shut down my kidneys.
@SuperToe Haha, stop promising to eat chairs!!! Dev units are getting 5-7 hours & it's not final hardware. You still have time to edit before enough people see that comment.
The Shield pulls off 360 power for up to 8hrs with a smaller battery. It's been shown the X1 chip running similar software to the Xbone uses a fraction of the wattage. There is no comparison on (electrical) power consumption.
@hieveryone
Animal Crossing New Leaf is not HD but deliver Incredible gameplay. I'm so addicted with the cuteness even non HD at all. Well, HD will deliver better experience but right now , non HD experience on 3DS still captivate some gamers.
@SuperToe
Please don't eat another chairs or you will ended up by Stomachache and Malnutrition.
What happens when graphics top out?? We may be in the last generation of gaming as we know it. While the others get more powerful in graphics Nintendo continues to offer something a bit different and more then fair graphically.
I use to think it would be Nintendo that had to give up console making but as the years go on I'm beginning to swing the other way and when the dust settles Nintendo may be the only one left making dedicated games!
@hieveryone To be fair, when the 3DS was released in 2011 the current home consoles weren't actually HD yet.
@Anti-Matter I know Nintendo games are really good in fact 3DS is probably the best console this gen, but if you can make a choice would you rather have a 720p screen or a 360p 3D screen ?
@yomanation I agree, but that's my point. Even if the Switch doesn't look as good as its competitors, it'll be ok if it's good enough for the third parties.
@DanteSolablood For the sake of the chairs, I'll just say "let's meet back here in 3 months".
I won't edit a thing. Pinky swear.
@SuperToe kk
@yomanation And that's why I have issues with this rumour, considering how many hours Nvidia say they've put into a "custom chip" and "custom OS", effectively the report is saying the Switch will have cut-price Android and the basic X1 with bells on. Something smells off. Maybe @gcunit wrote it? <jokes!
Either way, part of the Nintendo community will be eating crow. I just really hope for Nintendo's sake I'm not pooping feathers come March 2017.
Considering the PS4 and Xbox1 where released 3 years ago this rumor, if true isn't the best of news. Yes Nintendo is well known for releasing underpowered hardware but this is just sad.
PS: This makes no difference as I plan on buying day 1 but think about all the "gamers" comparing specs between the big 3. I can just see all the people saying "A next gen console and its power is between a Xbone and a base PS4 what junk. Nintendo should just go 3rd party now."
@Pink_Floyd And as we know from SEGA, going 3rd party couldn't poooooossibly cause the quality of games to drop significantly.
Expect the second game after Nintendo go 3rd party to be Mario Boom.
@DanteSolablood I know I'm referring to the fact that people compare specs like they did the Wii U.
I can just see all the people saying "A next gen console and its power is between a Xbone and a base PS4 what junk. Nintendo should just go 3rd party now."
@Pink_Floyd Oh I get what you were saying, however I don't think people really see what going third party would mean. Nintendo won't have the freedom to take their time with their games or experiment. There is a chance Nintendo would follow the EXACT path that SEGA took... to near on oblivion (the place, not the game).
@hieveryone
Depend on condition. 720p by ps vita ? Oh, no thanks. No interesting games. 360p might a bit hurt to see but with Stellar titles and gameplay ? Sign me in. But if 720p by Switch + Stellar titles and gameplay, Sign me in definetely.
@Pink_Floyd I don't mind Nintendo going 3rd party tbh but since the Switch is combining both home/handheld games that is actually really good, but let's say they made a new home and handheld console separately then I really want Nintendo to go 3rd party lol
@Anti-Matter I know the games is what matters but we ALL know Nintendo makes great games soooo why not better resolution
@Spoony_Tech I've said for years that we'll one day reach the point where diminishing returns on visual fidelity reaches the point where it stops being a big factor in the console wars. I don't think we're there yet, but it's definitely not too far off. At that point, Sony and Microsoft are going to need something to fall back on. Sony's long game with PS Now seems to be turning Playstation into a subscription service where games can be streamed from a variety of devices. I think they're also trying to make sure they're established in the VR game with PSVR. Microsoft has gradually been transitioning Xbox into a service. Even if their console business flopped, they could just release "Xbox games" on Windows.
Nintendo seems to be exploiting its unique role in the market to go down a different path. The Switch is all about making games more convenient than ever to play. Personally, I find the message "play your handheld and console Nintendo games wherever and however you want" to be an incredibly compelling one,.
and so once again a nintendo system will sink or swim on first party games and stripped down ports
@Ralizah It's interesting to note on your line of thinking that both the PS4 & Xbone are both getting much closer to PCs while losing a lot of the convenience that made console gaming what it is. Instead of just putting the games in and playing, it's now common to put your disk in & wait for a lengthy day one patch.
That could be where Nintendo could sit, being the only "true" console while Sony & Microsoft move further towards being entry level PC/Console hybrids.
It likely won't be Maxwell for a number of reasons, last one being the most important.
1) Pascal is more powerful than Maxwell
2) Pascal is far more efficient in things like power consumption
3) Manufacturing Maxwell chips over Pascal now is likely to cost more in the end
While the GPU may be only about XB1 level, imo, I believe its rumored CPU already surpasses both XB1 and PS4, so even if the Switch can't visually match PS4 games, it can sure support running them with possibly some reduction in visuals. Things like reducing tessellation, shadow map resolution, etc can help with this.
I think the Sd game card is what will appeal to 3rd party devs. Even if the graphical prowess isn't up to snuff with the ps4, the storage is no longer an issue, and that will keep devs' interest as pretty much all modern chips support the most common middleware. Switch will be fine.
I can't wait for an HD Fire Emblem.
@DanteSolablood Well, the same is true for several of the games on Wii U as well, but I agree with the general assertion that Playstation and Xbox consoles are becoming more and more like locked-down, mid-level gaming PCs. There are actually a few PS4 games now that ask you to choose between different presets for games (whether you want to go for higher resolution, higher framerate, etc.), which is quite funny, as it's like a gimped version of what you can do with virtually every major PC release.
In general, I enjoy consoles, and especially handheld ones, both because I like unique experiences that I can't get on my PC and because they offer me a level of pick-up-and-play convenience that is a bit harder to get on the PC. Nintendo understands that, even if they're not always consistent on meeting those expectations. Switch speaks to my needs as an adult gamer who is busy most of the day and doesn't have a lot of time to sit down in front of a console, whereas Sony only seems interested in designing ever-beefier consoles that will make the 'splosions in my games even 'splodier. And... you know, I'm at the point in my life where I'm not that impressed by next-gen 'splosions anymore. It's probably the reason why I've never been able to get into the Uncharted games.
To heck with Western third parties! To heck, to heck I say! lol
@hieveryone You do realise there is a market for an upscaling 3DHDS. . . the technology is probably there to do it now.
Just imagine onboard upscaling the entire 3ds library on an HD screen in 3D!
It really doesn't matter if it is as powerful as the PS4... all that matters is if it can play third party games that are developed for the PS4.
The fact that the VentureBeat article was stealth edited so much, with no documentation of the edits, to reflect the holes and mistakes that were in the author's reasoning and research, not only shows how poorly the article was written, but actually puts the writer's credibility in question.
Wouldn't be taken by surprise if system power is still the most popular subject gamers talk about versus what's going on with their lives. 🙄
...sure it's not as powerful, until you flip the switch...whoa..then look out!..
@Bruh The haters of the supreme universe won't have that. They'll summon the torch and pitchfork gods to wreak havoc on Reggie before NoA have any say on Switch's specs. We're all just totally impatient right now and will destroy anything. XDD
"Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards."
The world's top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards use the Pascal architecture. That seriously undermines the validity of this rumor.
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/
(Not that it would be a bad thing if this rumor was true. It's just that there are a lot of incorrect generalizations in the rumor. Perhaps the info behind the rumor is accurate, and the author just didn't know enough about what he was talking about to make a coherent article.)
I think that what threw off developers from supporting the wii u is the difficulty to program for the wii u. There aren't any gimmicks like the gamepad since the switch will only be on one screen. If it is a little less power then we may only see a hit in the graphics. I have confidence that the switch will be easy to use for developers and with that support the switch will succeed.
Weak rumor,
I will just wait for the big reveal
A tablet anywhere close in power to ps4 is impressive.
Oh boy. Weaker than the PS4?! I guess that means NO ONE will buy it then (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). Honestly, if it's at least 30-60 FPS, good enough HD, a good Virtual Console, good game lineup, and a good enough battery, that's all that really matters to me. I couldn't care less if the system is 50% weaker than a PS4.
It's somewhat disheartening.. sure.. however.. I still expect to be pleasantly surprised come January.. for all we know idle rumour chit chat (graphical power wise) and even if it's not I still expect it have stunning / gorgeous games. Neither Nintendo nor Nvidea would want this to be anything other than a success - sure fanboys will buy it no matter what.. but Nvidea needs this to sell like hotcakes and therefore expect it to come super developer friendly with perhaps the best tools available anywhere - this thing will be optimised like crazy
@yomanation All NVidia said was that it was a custom version of some kind of Tegra. We really don't know what it is, because what it is really only exists in the Switch. Everything else is a brother or sister or cousin of the Switch chip.
I like how the article mentions concept, as the Switch will have enough power, but will hands down win the market in actual concept and games,.
@JLPick
I'll give you the GameCube and Wii but the Wii U was much better. I know you said not much. But Nintendo even had trouble with the added horsepower as they weren't used to it. Or at least that was their excuse.
The article says:
"...but due to the portable nature of the system it's unlikely to be bleeding edge technology"
This really doesn't make any sense. The Switch could be based on the newest chips from Nvidia, and still not be as powerful as the PS4. But it would definitely be bleeding edge technology.
The newest mobile chips is still considered bleeding edge technology, although maybe not as powerful as some older hardware setups for desktop computers or home consoles. The two things are not the same.
The new iPhone is also made of bleeding edge technology, but not as powerful as my old gaming PC.
Oh my God, people still obsess over power? I gave up on that a long time ago, when I realised that it's just a marketing ploy nowadays.
Switch isn't about all-out power, we already knew that on reveal. It's about providing the right tools so developers don't sweat over porting titles. Apparently, they have done just that and the price is set to be very competitive whilst offering multiple form factors.
If people are going to come in about power, then I suggest you get a PC. The right tools > power - that's a major reason the Wii U failed in the first place.
Its been "known" for ages the Switch was going to be around the X1 in terms of raw performance. Should we be surprised that's lower than then PS4?
The whole power and FPS debate is just getting old. Play what makes you happy.
People are obsessing over graphics and power...who cares? 3DS is incredibly outdated even for a handheld and yet we are still playing it and it still sells very well, almost 6 years later. Wii's power was severly lacking in 2006 (and moreso during its entire lifespan) but it is one of the highest selling consoles of all time. I honestly would not be surprised if Switch was less powerful than PS4. It's a handheld, PS4 is a big computer tower basically.
@Menchi187 So Nintendo failed with concept over Hardware 3 out of 4 times in home gaming?
What are you talking about?
N64 and GameCube were not weak at all.
In fact they were a lot more powerful than the best selling console of then gen. No, Nintendo did it 2 times and failed once in home gaming.
The 3ds sold very badly at first but it went better after getting a price drop and games, so the problem wasn't about hardware. The DS as well was weak and it still managed to sell insane numbers. Meanwhile the very powerfull Vita failed really hard.
Another thing: Why are so many lumping together the Wii u with ps3/360. The fact that the Wii U has quite a few 1080/60 games alone already proves, that they are not comparable.
The Venturebeat article is great.
It makes me think that a revision will not require people to buy a new Switch, as the Maxwell is still best for portable, but rather a new dock with maybe even a second Tegra style chip, either a second Maxwell or the newer Pascal or even a Parker chip. By being able to fit fans, these more powerful chips could be positioned in a way that the Shield itself won't be affected by the heat.
But Nintendo won't have to bother with releasing a Rev 2 for at least 2 years, maybe even three.
"Not quite" can mean anything, but I'll gladly take the literal meaning - as in, "slightly less".

That said, we can't truly predict the doom of Nintendo until you-know-who starts saying this and that.
Is this article judging the Switch on solely it's home component? I have said this before but that is just unfair. It's not wise to have a deluded sense of how powerful a mobile system can be. Remember the market. Nintendo are not aiming it at pixel heads with the state of the art tech (as most on forums are lol). They are trying to come up with a black ford, not a red Ferrari. A console for everyone. That's intelligent in my book.
Look, any website can post some garbage rumor to bring in the ad revenue. With how questionable the article already is, let's not give it any validity. The Switch has had positive reception from Third Parties so far (although the Wii U also had that), but this is in response to the next console coming from a company that just released an absolute flop of a console rather than the Wii. We'll have a better idea come Jan. 12th/13th, but it's silly to treat this as true. It's reasonable to expect the Switch to be somewhere between the XB1 and PS4 in tech, but where it will fall is hard to determine.
PS4 power in a portable would be great. The thing is very small to pack that much power
Xbox One level power would be plenty IMHO. Close enough to the competition to not matter. Forza Horizon 2&3 look brilliant and it can run Doom and Titanfall 2 at 60fps. Remember that even with PS4 Pro out and Scorpio on the horizon the base PS4 and XB1 are still the target market and still what devs will have to aim for. I'd be really pleased with that
Yawn
@DanteSolablood Not sure what earned me that writing credit, but I'm flattered, thank you.
Though I shouldn't take all the credit, 'cos I was helped with it quite a bit... by your Mom
"The Nintendo Switch, the most powerful handheld console on the planet. It's so powerful, that it even runs big home console games decently on your TV.
NOW YOU ARE PLAYING WITH POWER"
As a portable gamer, I can't wait. The Switch will definitely be a big hit for many people. And in markets like Japan, it will sell fantastic.
For all the negative home console gamers: Just buy a PS4 already, and stop whining. And then later get the Switch for your Nintendo itch!!!
Then play the newest Zelda and Mario games while laying in your bed, and play all the soulless blockbusters on your television with your PS4. It's a win win situation
Eventually there'll be a stage where the power difference won't matter, but we're not there yet. If the Switch is so underpowered so that AAA ports are vastly inferior on the Switch, then that's already going to put of a significant amount of gamers.
According to Nvidia, "Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards."
To my understanding, that would be Pascal.
At the moment I'm less bothered about outright power (though it's nice of course), I just want game developers to change their priorities so that 60fps and 1080p is standard for most games, for any console. It's 2016! I wish Nintendo would take the lead here, with the 'Nintendo Seal of Quality' on Switch meaning 60fps/1080p. I'll happily take less detailed textures and effects as a sacrifice. Unfortunately the marketeers and general public probably don't agree with me 😔
If a 2002 game on the GameCube can do 60fps whilst looking good (Metroid Prime), why can't modern games do it?
I know I'm in the minority: I now notice the 30fps 'effect' on Paper Mario Colour Splash for goodness sake! But it's Christmas so I'm making a Christmas wish 😀
If this is near Xbox One power, £200 and fully portable then I will be in heaven. If all I wanted was a (sort of) 4K console I'd have already bought a PS4 Pro.
The direction technology has been moving in for some time is portability and flexibility. The ability to start watching something on your TV and then continue watching it on your phone/tablet etc. These days many people want their technology to be flexible enough to come with them when they move around - within the home as well as outside of it. If I can play a game like Metroid in beautiful 1080P on the TV in my living room but also on a smaller screen (in say 720P) in bed/on the train/on a plane/on the toilet, with the added ability of portable local multiplayer (not for when on the toilet) with one console, then I will be a very happy customer.
@gcunit For someone that is considered a moderator, that comment about his mom was quite base and childish. Hypocritical too.
All we have is rumours.. what we know is that its a custom chip for Nintendo. It could be based off X1 or X2. Im still likely to say X2 as Nvidia didnt win any devices with its design and it will want to get more money back from the R&D.
As for everyone saying "Its Nintendo, Duh", i think your forgetting that even if this is just really close to the Xbone, its still got the power of nearly an Xbone in your hands! It only needs to be close - no Project Scorpio or PS4 Pro games are allowed to be exclusive. Meaning that every time they Develope for either console, it should be little effort tonport it over.
Also.. this is Nvidia tech with a base station that can probably be upgraded in a year or two too further support more powerful graphics ala SLI.
Also to add.. if Season of Heaven is anything to go off then what are people complaining about? It looks beautiful if it is indeed a Switch exclusive. And graphically intense.
Anybody here own both a WiiU and PS4? I do. My experience (thus far) has been, yes, PS4 produces some lovely semi-realistic looking games which the WiiU would generally struggle to match. However, said games have usually taken a hit on performance and perhaps more importantly not been all that once the buzz off the graphics stops.
Playing SM3DW (for example) on the WiiU has offered me BOTH genre pushing graphics AND gameplay while maintaining a high fps locked performance. As long as Nintendo keep the focus and balancing gameplay and performance, I'll be a happy customer.
If this is true then I have a feeling that the tablet part of the Switch will get a new version each year or two, just like apple phones but not as expensive. That's one great way Nintendo can keep up with the other 2.
How come no one is talking about this? Nintendo have said over the past couple of years that they love the Apple model of hardware and software, I can totally see them doing this.
I'd upgrade every two years. What's everyone else think?
The closer we get to the launch, the less optimistic I feel about the Switch. Positioning this thing as mainly being a portable is ludicrous. It's far too big and clunky to be a genuine portable, and that's before we even get into the heavily rumoured 2-3 hours of battery life!
@Iggy-Koopa It's what the big boys call 'bants'. Tis the season to be joyful and merry, btw - time to get your sense of humor out of the attic. I even used a tongue pop emoji fgs
Some might say it's quite base and childish to react the way you have to what was a very mild and tame Mom joke. I realise that to 12 year olds, any mention of 'Mom' is like a red rag to a bull, but if you've been gaming since 83 you're considerably older than that, so what's your beef?
And how's it hypocritical - there's nothing in the rules about Mom jokes.
Constancy, constancy...
@yomanation I don't think they have to be that careful with how they market it, they just need to market it. And they shouldn't be having to try and think about what sort of consumers they should portray in their marketing etc. - they should just focus on the games, games, games.
Just look at new Zelda BotW graphics (on Fallon show) and compare it to Xbone GoW4, or PS4 Uncharted 4. Do not tell me you expect this performance level on mobile device in 720p.
It doesn't bother me tho, I only wish for more games, tp support even with worse graphics.
It's funny to read comment sections like this about Switch.
Many people argumented with rumors taken way too seriously in the past.
Now they don't even use actual rumors but
pure speculations instead...
In fact, this whole news contains just speculations.
Hybrids typically have strengths and weaknesses associated with what's crossing over. It's on Nintendo to convince people that it's worth buying the Switch, and the easiest way to do that is to integrate handheld and console lineups.
Either way, didn't reports from the likes of Emily Rogers say that it'd match the original Xbox One at launch? I say "at launch" because ever since I saw the Switch's form factor it seemed pretty obvious Nintendo's aim is to create iterations of the hardware. If it sells well enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with a 2.0 edition, and the market seems okay with that given the advent of the Pro and Scorpio.
@yomanation
When Nvidia made that statement, Pascal cards were already in the market. You wouldn't think they would suggest that the world's top performing gpus would be the Maxwell cards surely?
It was portable device, we can't exactly expect it to be on par with PS4 performance. At most, they could only be as good as the latest iPad.
Anyway, I'll be happy to see it updated every 2 years or so. They sort of did it with the New 3DS anyway, so nothing stop them to do the same thing with Switch.
@gcunit I'll bare that in mind for future posts. Just my opinion you see, and after well-over a decade of forum dwelling I'm entitled to it
Am I alone in thinking 3rd party ports won't sell on the Switch simply become us Nintendo fans don't buy them? And this is regardless of quality.
For future reference everybody, jokes are allowed
If portable power was super important to me, i'd lug one of those $3000 Asus or Alienware gaming laptops around with me, but it's not. Which is good, cos the chiropractor's bill would probably match the cost of the laptop
Nivdia has made it clear the Switch has New custom GPU ect ect, I suggest that article that says it's maxwell go read that Nivdia CEO again. We Kown whatever it is the Switch has new designed custom Architecture so Maxwell and Pascal is irrelevant.So being new and custom made is Not old 2 or 3 maxwell.And on side note Pascal is not there latest Architecture I belive it's called Volt.
Maybe so, but whatever power is running that Breath of the Wild seems more than ample to me, especially when it's running it fully mobile.
I have a PS4, it has power. It is also boring, uninspired with a heap of boring sub par repetitive games on it. Power really isn't number one in games. It does matter though as a benchmark is expected. I think anything over PS3 is ample enough as there PS3 games in HD that still look better than some PS4 games.
I forgot one Very valid point.Before the Wii u was anounced and after All we got from 3RD party Developers that the Wii u was very underpowered ,and each da and week padt All we heard was more and more bad articles from everyone about Wii u and developers nt supprting it.One of these's was Bethesda and we all kown what they said .Also when NX was revealed when asked there head c.e.o said if Switch is sub xbox one they would not be interested.People hear should listen to developers not this crao.They are the ones that we should listen to.We buy hopfuly there games.We don't buy Rumors or sources.
Is the Xbox One portable?
No.
Is the PS4 portable?
No.
Does the switch have the best possible graphics?
WHO CARES? It's portable.
I rest my case.
@yomanation Nintendo will never go 3rd party. Comparing Nintendo to Sega (for example) is chalk and cheese. Seriously, you'd be more likely seeing Microsoft go that route before Nintendo and/or Sony.
I love Nintendo but honestly they need to cater to the core of gamers. We do want fun games for sure but we also like the new technology and graphical capabilities really does matter. Nintendo can't keep playing the game the same way. It isn't working out well for them that way. The mobile and home console hybrid is a nice idea except if it's really weak on the home console front then developers will not make games for it. Not even being able to match xbox1 and ps4 levels is just bad business. Those systems are 3 years old now so their is no excuse. I am a die hard Nintendo fan but honestly I hope they learn from their mistakes or pretty soon our Nintendo systems will be considered antiques for when Nintendo use to be in the video game industry.
@DESS-M-8 Your bar is set quite low. We are in 2016 and well into the gaming Era where people want to be fully immersed in games and many also want the full virtual reality experience. I was fine with Wii U graphics but hated that few developers supported it. I don't want a repeat of that. It needs to be at the very least at Xbox1 levels (the original not S and not Scorpio) or it'll happen again.
@Spoony_Tech - Well, I don't know about it from the computing side, but I definitely think graphics need to get a lot better, if only for VR. I'd say we need at least 8K screens (and the processing to support it) for that.
@iamserious not a low bar at all. I'm saying stronger than PS3 weaker than PS4 is fine. There is very little difference worthy of note between the two engines, even more so when running on the portable screen.
Breath of the Wild looks amazing and is the example of the worst looking game on the machine as it was developed for lesser hardware.
I don't think any one seriously expected a hybrid device to outperform a home system like the PS4. I think most people were happy with the notion that the Switch will be in the same ballpark as the Xbox One and that's an optimistic outlook.
But didn't NVidia themselves already confirmed that the Switch is going to use a Pascal based chip? :/
Got no interest in a 4K console. Can't afford 4K content or a 4K gaming TV anyway. This console is right up my alley.
@mechamen8 How is that important at all ?
Titan X Maxwell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal GTX 1050
The only reason to use newer arch would be to have a chip that would run cooler and be more power efficient, but even thats not important because its all up to what Nintendo wants with the Switch.
Assuming this stuff is portable, i was expecting Pascal, but a heavy modified Maxwell (to run cooler and use less energy) is pretty much the same. And Ps4 power ? i mean, its totally possible but this thing is portable, not even top of the line phones have the power of the PS4 and those cost almost 2.5 times the price of the Switch
I've always subscribed to the camp that believes that power doesn't matter too much as long as the games play well and are fun. Looking pretty should be a bonus, not the focus.
I'm still waiting on any announcement on cloud-gaming. If Nvidia allows Nintendo to use a similar set-up as they have for the Shield, the power of the Switch tablet won't matter nearly as much for the multiplats as processing deficiencies will be compensated by remote supercomputers.
Personally, I'm still a little disappointed by Maxwell instead of Pascal, but it will really come down to how well whatever power there is translates into gameplay. I'm still hyped and waiting to see what it can do rather than what it can't (even if it will be at 4am).
I find it funny how people are comparing this with the PS4 and XBOne when it doesn't even use the same system architecture! If anything, we should be comparing this with an iPad. Will it like an iPad Pro, but with a 720p display? We'll have to find out on the 14th.
@Rafx
I just want something thats actually portable and not a semi huge tablet thats a pain in the but to carry around.
Hope we get a real handheld a little after the Switch, because this just wont fill the role that the 3DS will be leaving open.
@whanvee One thing that I noticed...between the Gamecube and the Wii, was that the games still look good on the Gamecube...the Wii, even without adding them into the Wii U (playing them on the Wii U looked even worse), looks horrible, unless it was some of the ones that nintendo actually made. It's kind of amazing on how much of a difference you see after the generation ends and you move onto the next. Anyways, and excuse me if I'm going away from my original comment, I think nintendo was just trying to get used to the HD, which was fine, to me the Wii U was a test product for them and the Switch is becoming the console that the Wii U was to be. Not saying that the Wii U was horrible...it could have been a lot better, but (and this is just my opinion), the games, with the exception of a few, just seemed like they were rushed to get them out, to make some money and keep the consumer (the ones who bought the system), happy.
@iamserious
Meanwhile I fear this will kill traditional handhelds(because lets face it, a portable console is an ok idea but it's not exactly up to par with the other handhelds convenience wise). After the flop that was the WiiU, the 3DS/handheld line is what kept them in the running. This is not, and will never be, a suitable replacement and while their console sales will probably go up they'll probably lose the handheld market over this. It just doesn't check the notes for convenience.
The Switch just looks to be another exercise in Nintendo not only refusing to get with the times, but turning their back on the people who have supported them for the last few years(or in my case, 20 years).
@XxYoshiGamerxX
Except the Switch is, at best, only semi portable. Being able to carry your system across town or something is great but this is in no way conceived for travel play, like the GB/DS/3DS lines.
I hope we get a true handheld after this, because this is kind of a mess in terms of convenience and portability.
@DanteSolablood The games are what drove me to the PS4...lots of variety and various genres...I love the puzzle, simulation and platform adventures and as of right now, the PS4 seems to have most of that. I loved how the Wii U had a massive amount of platform adventures, but it missed out on almost every other genre, which was sad. I really hope that the Switch gets the genres it needs...plenty. I'm not saying that the PS4 will be out of my existence (I love nintendo and Sony, nintendo more), but I want a great variety to play on my Switch when I eventually get it...if people can actually find it (Hint, Wii was unavailable for over a year in my area when it came out)
@gcunit Now you're just being an ass
@IronMan28
I just hope we get a successor to the 3DS.
I have little interest in the Switch, and hope it doesn't kill my on the go play.
@Faruko Wait.. so the Switch being more power efficient and running cooler is not important? And i didn't imply anything about the Switch being more or less powerfull than the PS4 did i? And of course a Top of the line Smartphone cost 2.5 more times than a PS4, they also do a lot more things (and overall are more important for a person) than a PS4.. I just asked if Nvidia didn't already confirmed if the Switch would use Pascal or not (which i honestly don't know but i thought they did that's why i was asking)..
All these online arguments left right and center. And then there's me - all alone in the middle intending on buying Switch regardless of how much power it has. How it compares to the PS4 and Xbone shouldn't be a factor. Back when we were kids, of course, our parents could only ever afford to shell out for one system per generation. And I'd say that's the reason why people often jumped on the bandwagon of a single console. But now we're grown up and should be able to buy any and all consoles we want - which we should be doing if we're interested in what the console is offering and what games it grants access to. Why are most of us still stuck in the kiddy-mindset?
I'm not too concerned about the power of the machine.My expectation is a slightly improved Wii U graphically.However what i do expect is Nvidia too have come through and created a superb suite of tools for the SDK, something which the Wii U did Not have.
This will make the process of creating games easy and actually being able to apply all the consoles power to that crucial aspect 'gaming'.
The Best Wii U games had to be created at code level which took bayo 2 a full three years and Xenoblade nearly four years.That is too long for most developers these days.Now if you can produce that kind of quality in say a year, well butter me sideways that would be a generation of gaming greatness right there.
It isn't the grunt that get's the game good, it's the creators having the necessary tools to fulfil their vision, be it control, audio, visual, gameplay mechanics, A.I an so forth.
I believe Switch will have some stellar titles on it.Looking forward to it.
Oh and one last thing didn't From Software say that they had "Dark Souls 3 running on the Nintendo Switch with a level of performance they are happy with" or something like that? :/
And this game barely runs on the PS4/Xbox 1 as it is..
@Gorlokk
The most worrisome is that this "hybrid" will end up replacing their handheld line. As a console you can carry to your friends house, or across town, this is a pretty ok idea.
However, just based on it's size and functions this will never really replace the GB/DS/3DS lines and it doesn't accomplish what any of those do well. I don't need a console, I'm rarely home, and the Switch just isn't as friendly for people like me who travel. The DS lines fit in your pocket, had a charger that could go with you, and were fairly durable. Would be a shame if NIntendo lost my money because they backed out of the handheld game, which kept that alive during the WiiU debacle...
The 3DS will later be replaced by a smaller Switch in two years time.In reaction to the above topic.
@emperorbob No one thinks that this'll be an issue (Switch being to big for a portable device) but i've actually seen a lot of people saying the same thing which is worrying :/
Most of my "Nintendo" friends think the same way, some of them even were completely disappointed by the whole hybrid idea preferring either a normal home console or a sequel to the 3DS..
@Iggy-Koopa Good to see you like the taste
@emperorbob
What are you talking about? The charger for the Switch will be as portable as for the DS. Or at least you can buy a regular USB-C charger for it. No problem.
And I expect at least 4-5 hours game time from the Switch. Anything else would not be good enough.
Also, what functionality from the 3DS will you really be missing?
The original GameBoy was also huge, and not as portable as the Switch will be.
The 3DSXL is also big, and not very portable in comparison to the smaller model. But it was still more popular and sold better than the normal one.
Most people don't mind bringing their portable console in a bag, and do not carry it in their pockets. I don't know anyone who are carrying their 3DS in their pockets?
I can't see why the Switch is less suitable for traveling? You can even take off the Joy-cons, and then it's not any bigger than a PSP Vita.
Perhaps Nintendo will release a smaller Switch-lite down the line, but the Switch is definitely also a replacement for the 3DS. And I can't see the problem with that at all.
@DanteSolablood lol battery life caused PSP to fail lol try harder next time.ds and 3ds had better games is the reason.
Less power = portability. It's going to be worth the sacrifice. This is what I wanted with the Wii U.
@JLPick
I entirely agree. I've given this some thought in the last years and you are correct. I think most Wii games look crappy because they are meant to be played on old school CRT TV. If played on said TVs they don't look too bad, once brought to HDTVs they look horrendous. I tried playing twilight princess on the Wii u before the HD version and it was pretty horrendous. So much so that I really couldn't play it. I remember thinking how gorgeous it was way back when. As far as games being rushed, I think this could be the first time Nintendo can be found guilty of this.
@MamaLuigi "Wouldn't be taken by surprise if system power is still the most popular subject gamers talk about versus what's going on with their lives."
It's important so they can have massive rows on Digital Foundry about which version of a choppy third party game has the best puddles, foliage or ambient occlusion.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE even so those who may eventually have to travel on vacation or to see family don't have to carry much to continue playing
It's screwed if it's not as powerful as current gen consoles.
Welp, Switch is already a failure...Nintendo is still doomed. They should just give up and make games for Sony.
Not surprising. Nintendo has been lagging behind Sony as far as processing power since 1996 and the Nintendo 64 days.
@whanvee The bad part is that the Gamecube games don't look that bad on HD TV's. The system that I found (and hence I ended up having to hook up a non-HD TV to play it) looks horrible, is the Atari...on an HD TV, it's fuzzy, borders and almost makes it unplayable. The Genesis and Super NES look fine on HD, N64 does too, but the N64 really looks it's age in the graphics (boxed graphics)...Playstation 1 games look horrible now too. It's just funny how some of the systems still look good generations later, where others look just plain bad and their age...I think the Wii is going to fall into that category, and for some reason, in about another 10-20 years, I think the Wii U will fall into that category too, only because by then, nintendo will have HD to a perfection.
@bezerker99 Graphics wise, the N64 was better, Sony just won due to the incredible amounts of games and RPG's and the CD titles, plus, Sony had theirs out first, and after Dreamcast made their console CD too, Nintendo just looked foolish with cartridges...however, the N64's controller (which I still say it was their worst controller) turned away many gamers too. Dreamcast was even more powerful than the Playstation, it was just the fact that Sony had given a lot of companies money to produce for them, but other than that, the PSONE was not as powerful as the rivals. If I read somewhere, the Dreamcast was more powerful than the rivals. Gamecube was pretty powerful too...play Crash Bandicoot 4: The Wrath Of Cortex on the other 3 that generation...loading times were horrendous for PS2, X-box had some loading time and Gamecube barely had any. Not putting down Sony at all (I own all their systems and love them too), but Nintendo is not lagging behind, they just basically don't care and go for a system that plays games, not movies, music and everything else. Nintendo is for games, not a system that can do everything else like a PC, which is why they look like they're behind. But, they're games are still incredible, and they show that they can do it.
@Setery10 That's what I like about it, and if it's true that you can just purchase a small AC cord for it, then what's the point to the box when you go on a trip? You can play it just like a regular 3DS. That's one thing I look forward to with it!
@yomanation
That's right. Nowdays, even high end graphics for desktop PCs are using terms like performance per watt. That is immensely more important for a mobile system.
Long as it's more powerful than the Wii U, I don't care.
@readyletsgo not sure about upgrading every couple of years. The devs will have to develop different versions of same game putting them off/ costing more. Eventually the user base will split and no doubt many with inferior models will get annoyed. No, it would be a mistake to release regular upgrades. A jazzy upgrade at end of life cycle ala DSi, new 3DS etc is acceptable and reinvigorates sales but I can't see how regular upgrades could work.
@gcunit Oof.
@Nintendo_Ninja It's screwed if the mess up support, marketing and pricing.
Unless I'm being naive, the nvidia website has put over how tremendous their new technology is in the Switch. I don't know what architecture it's made off of. Only Nintendo and Nvidia do. All I care for are better graphics and solid gameplay. Nintendo has always been great at mixing the two!
@Savino Technology improves quickly....it might not be at Xbone level, but I wouldn't be surprised if it got pretty close.
@yomanation Probably. But the service exists for the Nvidia Shield tablet.
Yes, but does it make toast?
We truly must wait until the 12th.
@Nintendo_Ninja
Says some Kid on the Interwebz...
Just waiting for January...
@bezerker99
No. Just no.
Well who in their right mind expected it to.
And why would it matter.
But let's see once some more official info show up. Not that Nintendo has been in the habit of disclosing hardware specifics to the public since the GameCube.
Graphics this, Graphics that.
Look at Sony and MS, all you hear is 4k and HDR.
''Games who cares about games? Here's Forza 678 and Gears 3.5'', and the new Uncharted which is the same as the others'''.
My Ps4 and X1 are mostly collecting dust these days because i'm just sick and tired of playing the same old stuff over and over.
The Swith can't come soon enough, i can't wait to sit in my garden, play Zelda and drink some Beers.
I waited more than 25 years for something like this.
I wanted to just post that everyone only has to wait a few weeks before we get much better details (though specs might be hazy still) but what's the point? Obviously this story generated discussion and that's part of the fun.
Instead I'll just say I really wanted Nintendo to go full bore on the hardware this time just to try it out and see what Zelda and Metroid and Kid Icarus and even Mario and Pikmin could do with all that power, so even the slightly behind nature of the Switch (as a home console) is likely going to be disappointing.
That said, it seems a solid step up even from what we've seen in that Tonight Show debut of Zelda on the Switch and a step up still brings greater potential for game mechanics that rely on more power as well as impressive visuals. So, I'm okay with it for my own personal preference.
The best part is that I think the Switch could hit a sweet spot and excite both 3DS fans and Nintendo home console fans while also wrangling in a good number of "strays". Nintendo has a real shot at returning to a solid base again and that's important if we want Nintendo to keep pushing the industry like it often does.
Huh? That was never up for debate. Whoever thought the Switch would match the PS4 was clearly hallucinating. I don't think it's realistic for it to match the XB1 either. I'm not even convinced it will surpass the capabilities of the Wii U.
Why are people persistently ignoring the fact that it's running on some kind of Tegra, in other words: mobile hardware? Don't get your hopes up.
@slim80 I said it was "part" of the reason. Learn to read & try harder next time (see, being a wiener isn't nice is it?).
@gcunit Haha, well my mum is very intelligent... and single.
What did you expect out of a small/slim iPad style device. It's more of a mobile accessory than a system.
@shani
"I'm not even convinced it will surpass the capabilities of the Wii U."
Really? Since when has Nintendo ever released a console that wasn't more powerful than its predecessor?
@Turbo857 I wanted to reply with: "Since when does the past give us any indication...?", but scratch that, I've used past consoles as an indication for the future too.
The correct answer is: Never. And it will stay that way, because technically, the Switch is not a console. It's a Tablet. Nintendo doesn't sell consoles anymore, only handhelds and smart devices.
Another possible answer would be: Since Nintendo decided to throw away all of their rules and traditions.
Or: Since Nintendo decided to use inferior mobile hardware.
There are really several possible answers to choose from. ^^
This isn't like the past, where you could rely on Nintendo doing some predictable things. All bets are off. Iwata died. A banker took over the company. Panicky shareholders seem to be allowed to influence the company more than ever. Nintendo shies away from innovation and plays it safe. Nintendo tries to fool their customers by marketing a Tablet as a console. Nintendo makes IOS-exclusive games that are a joke in comparison to full Nintendo games. Nintendo basically became a cheap company after being a quality company for so many years (remember Konami? Same thing).
All bets are off.
@shani
The fact that it can seamlessly connect to the TV without the purchase of third party peripherals... makes it a console.
Also, if Breath of the Wild runs better on the Switch than the Wii U... how is this mobile hardware inferior?
@Lord-Spill
"i'm just sick and tired of playing the same old stuff over and over....
The Swith can't come soon enough, i can't wait to....play Zelda"
Solid gold that chief.
@Clownshoes
"nvidia already stated it's a custom maxwell". Oh did they? Where?
@Turbo857 Well if that's the case then my smartphone and my tablet are also consoles. And basically, every electronic device.
No, I'm talking about the hardware and where it's placed. But I don't want to start that discussion again, since every news site (including NL) already took the same stance and wrote that it's basically just a Tablet with a TV-dock.
Where did you get that info from? I've never seen Nintendo state that the Switch version would run smoother. I'm not saying it won't run smoother, since I don't have all the info. But I'm somewhat doubtful.
Nintendo has focused on concept over raw graphical power....
If that is true and the Switch fails then Nintendo will only have its self to blame.
Nintendo need third party developers, so when we get third party games why should Nintendo gamers have to put up with inferior graphics just to play the game on a new concept machine.
@shani
Honestly, I don't deny that the Switch is a tablet with a TV-dock. But the fact that its game-centric and it includes this dock - makes it a console. Basically the whole package makes it a "console".
But Zelda running better on the Switch can be read about here http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/breath-of-the-wild-has-a-vastly-improved-draw-distance-on-nintendo-switch
@emperorbob While I respect your viewpoint, I disagree. If you're not one of those people who saw the console games that 3DS couldn't handle and said, "I wish that was on 3DS," then I completely get where you're coming from. However, if you are one of the people who thinks that way, I feel like Switch will fulfill your needs eventually (assuming the battery life isn't a minimum of about 4 hours, then it may be sooner). Of course, I say that assuming you're more into the ease of taking the Switch with you, which is harder than taking a 3DS XL. Again, I think I get your point, but there are pros and cons to having an integrated device.
Well du'h, it's obvious the system isn't going to be as powerful as a xbox one or ps4, if it was, the Switch would be very expensive considering it's mainly a tablet portable At this point, x1 and ps4 costs around $379 CAD for the low model one, and that's selling at a loss. If Nintendo's Switch was as powerful of a system as those, while being a portable, that would make it easily over $400 CAD, and it will be even more cause Nintendo doesn't sell things at a loss. Obviously making a system as powerful that is a portable would not be good for the Nintendo fans who expect a good, decently priced system.
@Turbo857 Ok, if you explain it like this (and since you do acknowledge the technical side opposed to others), your standpoint makes sense.
My fear behind using smart device hardware is that it will force them to make too many compromises for mobile-related reasons (e.g. battery life) and that it will be harder to develop for the Switch (which the Wii U was already criticised for) because of the ARM architecture.
Thanks so much for that link! I had never seen that before. I must have missed it, at least I assume NL or Nintendo Everything reported about it too.
Well, this clearly refutes what I wrote earlier.
I remain sceptic regarding the Switch, since my main criticism isn't the performance. I never looked for that on a Nintendo console (although it would be nice to have Nintendo games on PC). But I have to admit that it seems to be more powerful than the Wii U. It's actually a relief to see that.
@yomanation I agree that it probably isn't coming. Yet. And Nintendo would definitely need Nvidia's help; their online is... not great. The premise remains interesting though and I do like an interesting premise.
@Lord-Spill Bahahahaha good one.
I can't wait until I play my Super Jumpman for the umpteenth time!
So... let's see.
Not definitively knowing what kind of chip it's using, people have praised its graphical capabilities. Reports of current gen games running satisfactory like Dark Souls 3 and Skyrim Remastered.
But all of a sudden, come these labels and numbers on paper, and "all of a sudden" people will say the graphics aren't good enough anymore.
Just goes to show people care more about numbers on a page then they do actual visual fidelity or functional capability to run current games and make them look plenty good enough.
@IceClimbers Pascal will feature 4X the mixed precision performance, 2X the performance per watt, 2.7X memory capacity & 3X the bandwidth of Maxwell. Nvidia’s CEO went on to state that all in all Pascal is Maxwell times ten. All of this has just been revealed here at GTC. There’s a lot to digest here, so let’s break it down. ~ Nvidia in late 2015
@shani
No problem. I hear ya on the architecture concern... but I'm optimistic that porting will be a better situation with the Switch. http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/16/nvidia-porting-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc-games-to-nintendo-switch-is-simple/
It's also running Unreal Engine 4. Future's not set in stone but Ninty's already making an effort to address this concern.
@Turbo857 That would be good news as well! Although I'm wondering if makes that much sense to port "old" games. The Wii U actually got a decent amount of last-gen titles (AAA and indie), but those didn't help its fate either. Guess it's because most people who wanted to play Deus Ex, Batman, Supermeatboy and the likes already played them many years earlier on different systems.
But it surely won't hurt to have these ports.
I wouldn't buy it, since I already have the definitive version on PC, but I would love to see a GTA V port - that would probably still sell very well. Although I fear Rockstar are too lazy for that, they won't even port RDR to PC...
I wrote this already in October, but now with these positive news, it applies even more: I'll wait until we know the line-up for the Switch. I don't need portability and the lack of second screen support - a feature I desperately want to have for PC games - and I don't like the general direction they're going right now. But if Nintendo should develop great games for the Switch, I will buy it eventually. After all, it's all about the games, software sells hardware, as the great Satoru Iwata once said.
@JaxonH This is Nintendo Life after all. A cynic's paradise.
That said, I would like to see a side by side comparison of the Switch and the PS4 running a game like The Witcher 3: Blood and Wine. (Yes, I'm aware that Blood and Wine is a DLC for that game) It would be a pretty telling example of the Switch's graphical capabilities, since that DLC looks very good and is pretty bright and colorful.
@yomanation While I agree with much of what you're saying, if Nintendo actually does this: "They really need to focus on the fact that you can use this portably if they want it to move any units." then it will fall a similar fate to Wii U from a sales standpoint. Gamers in the West just don't care about the portability aspect of a home gaming experience like folks in Japan do. Just look at how many commenters on this very site talk down the portable aspect of the console and have no desire to use it away from their TVs.
With everything we now know about Switch (ignore these rumors if you want, but they are largely all true at this point) what Nintendo unfortunately doesn't realize (or doesn't care to realize just yet) is that by going after both markets, they will conquer neither of them. They will not take back the portable market from Apple and Android and they will not take back the home market from Sony/MS. I'll say it again: at best the Switch sells GameCube-like numbers in its lifetime when it's all said and done.
@JaxonH it's already been confirmed by the developers of those games themselves that they were not actually running on Switch hardware. We still don't know how those 3rd party AAA titles will look and perform.
Plus, the more telling thing here and one that is long term, is what 3rd party AAA titles will perform like years down the road, if any are even left on Switch, as tech continues evolves further and more titles begin being developed with the Pro and Scorpio in mind.
The only way Nintendo can stay in the race is if they already have it determined in their minds that Switch is a 2-3 year project at best and a Switch "Pro" or similar will be taking its place at that time.
@gatorboi352 I doubt they could dominate the console market with the Switch, but I think they'll do very well in the handheld market. After all, the 3DS won't last much longer, and I doubt many true gamers would fall back to sub-par mobile games. There's really no other device that can compete, if you don't count mobile. Add the TV play option, and you've got a pretty solid system. I just hope they don't overprice it.
But as you said, Nintendo does need to release a more powerful Switch in 2 or 3 years. As much as Nintendo doesn't care that much about graphical power, they need to go with the flow in that regard, since pushing the limits of graphical power is all the rage lately, for whatever reason.
@yomanation I'd be really interested to see Nvidia Grid used on the Shield tablet if you know anywhere with a video. I can only find Nvidia's own marketing. I like the concept because it could mean consumers could buy relatively cheap devices and have premium experiences, but I don't know how effectively it works. Switch looks perfectly fine at any rate. I'm still excited for it. And still looking at PS4 too, though that still isn't worth it for me as it stands.
@gatorboi352
Maybe, and I'm sure there will be cases where games just can't run (well, not that they can't- anything can run, it's just a matter of how much must be sacrificed to achieve it) but that's the cost of being a hybrid. And in the end, if all it costs is a few extra games here and there down the line, that's a good trade off to make.
PC games run on all types of hardware setups, it's just a matter of visual fidelity. I have no doubt Switch will be able to run anything- b it Scorpio games or just regular old base PS4 games. It's just a question of how much will need to be scaled back to achieve it. Any game can run on any system. PS3/360 games made it to Wii which was a totally different architecture and a far greater gap than we'll see with Switch and the base level PS4/X1 (heck, even the Pro/Scorpio).
If it's selling well, games will come. If it doesn't get games, it won't be due to power, it'll be due to lack of ROI.
@yomanation bingo.
@yomanation
Nah, I don't buy that for a second. They may want a certain spec range, sure, but that doesn't mean they need it.
Any game actually can run on any system (within reason, obviously not an NES). Whatever makes the game not run... you scale it back.
Oh, it can't handle these textures? Use lower textures. Oh it can't handle 69 people on screen at once? Make it 50. Still too much? Notch down resolution.
Games aren't just "magically never able to run on anything else". If you scale back the things that can't run, all of a sudden it can run!
Yes, that takes time and money. But that's why I said, if it's selling well, they'll find a way. It's amazing how developers all of a sudden can do just about anything when they actually want to do it.
Don't buy into the PR mumbo jumbo that tells you "this game is just sooo special, it could never be possible last gen". Bull crap. Sure, it wouldn't be possible using those exact specs, but tone down the specs and it's very possible. People have been fooled by the PR machine
Bottom Line
At the end of the day, it's a question of how much $ it cost to port, and how much $ is expected in return. It may be true that a game in its current state can't run on any system, but thats not an insurmountable obstacle. I'd worry more about gamers supporting 3rd parties than I would 3rd parties supporting gamers. That's the real issue that will keep games off the system.
@yomanation
Exactly. That's all I'm saying.
But with that said, I don't think it's gonna be that underpowered. I mean, a Wii and Scorpio... that's a huge difference. A Switch that ends up with 3gb RAM for games vs a PS4 with 4.5 RAM for games? Not that different. Certainly not to the extent that they couldn't scale a few things back.
In the past, having a few less trees in the field or a few less nameless citizens in a crowd... ok, maybe gamers see that as reason to buy another version. But with Switch, for the first time ever, it will be inferior for a reason... that reason being portable play. Nobody's going to care if they had to scale a few things back to make a game on his system that's portable. Only a fool would expect full on par games on a portable system, gamers are not fools (well, most anyways).
If they're saying it's easy to port games to the system then that's all that matters. As long as it's easy then the power isn't an issue. Power is just one tiny small factor that plays into ease of porting. Bottom line is how easy it is overall and we've heard multiple reports that it's extremely easy to port to the system. And we can see for ourselves that the system is at least within swinging distance of the others. Power won't be an issue unless its a very substantial amount and has a completely foreign, alien architecture. But we know that it's not a very substantial amount and we also know that the architecture has changed from the game cube-based designs of the past. Developers are saying that it's easy... we're seeing companies like Bethesda and From Software gettin involved... I think it's safe to say that these worries ( at least from a power standpoint) are unjustified
@JLPick there's always some truth in rumors dear
@Anti-Matter You're trying to find an excuse to ditch Nintendo Switch system. They should give us even a better system than the ps4.. The ps4 it's price is reduced to 229 euro! Even Ps4 the first release is stronger than the so called next gen Nintendo Switch. Stop with excuses and giving us poor system and demand 399 euro when it's been released!
@Issi yes they will. even this new gimmick won't save them. Simple as that. This ain't a next gen system. Nintendo will always be behind.. in the snes times all games were running 60fps... now newer games 30fps at lower resolution... the Switch will give us [email protected] even ps4 has trouble on most games.. and they are coming once again with a weaker console.. the ps4 is released like 3 years and they can't even match an older system as ps4 is just stupid. I won't support this system either just like it did with WII U. I don't care for Mario games that much. It won't be a mis that's for sure. Nuff said for now
@Alucard83
Sorry for bothering you but I don't care at all with PS4. I don't care if less powerful than ps4. Unique gameplay, colorful games, cute games like Animal Crossing, Quirky games like Miitopia are more than enough for me. I still do care with Mario and I will buy them as long catch my attention. PS4 just offers me NOTHING, No Cute games but Tons of Adult games (I HATE ALL Adult games). Have fun with your ps4 but I will enjoy my Switch.
@Alucard83 You're late to the party if you're surprised that hardware isn't Nintendo's primary focus...you're also expecting a lot out of what is basically a tablet. No, it won't be a major powerhouse as a console, but it will absolutely be a beast as a handheld. Not only that, but Bethesda explicitly said that they would only support the Switch if it were at least as powerful as the Xbox One. And what are they doing now? Supporting it. Even if it's not quite as powerful as the Xbone, it just needs to be close, and clearly it is if they're supporting it. Games won't look quite as pretty on the Switch, but the graphics won't be scaled back THAT much.
It has been stated many times over that hardware will not be the defining factor in the Switch's 3rd party support. Sales will be. There are enough developers pledging support that we can be pretty darn sure that it will be a capable system, or at least capable enough. If you want 4K and 60 FPS in all games, maybe you should invest in a gaming PC.
@Alucard83 You're on your own, bruh. Remember people here are the definition of fanboyism, grabbing 5-6 special edition 3DS for collection.
TLDR; The $150-200 GPD XD2 will beat the Switch or be hand to hand which is a shame, because homebrew on the switch would be fantastic, except by the time it gets hacked in 2018 there will be plans for a GPD XD3, or whatever is the new golden kid in the handhelds world.
The switch will probably don't even have 4K support. But who cares as long as they release a special edition switch every 3 months, rehash Twilight Princess for the 4th time(?) and release a new Mario game right?
Wake up folks.
@dres
I had problems with them only bringing over the XL N3DS model for this exact reason. The XL sold better because it never got a chance in the American market until far later, and it's a shame we got the model with the sill wonky stretched resolution instead of the one that was fully customizable.
You are right about the old gameboy being suffering, but the pocket(As it name suggests) was great to fit in your pocket and I still use it from time to time.
You also brought up another prime problem: losable, removable, parts. Really the entire thing is just the opposite as to what handheld gaming is about, you may not understand as a console guy from the sounds of it, but this is about convenience and portability and less about graphics and power(which from leaked specs, the Switch will be very short on in handheld mode).
The thing about the Switch is that every, very clear, failing it has it countered with "Well you can counteract this if you buy this" but the fact remains that Nintendo handhelds prior did not have this clear design flaw. Not only is it making the mistake of the XL, but now it has (required) parts you can lose to make it portable, and you probably have to invest another 20-50 dollars in a charger/case/screen protector due to lackluster design choices. This is a novel idea as a console you can carry around town/play with friends, but not as a handheld.
I just hope we get a real handheld after this, because the Switch isn't going to fill that void in any capacity.
@mechamen8
This will honestly be the first time since the Gameboy/NES era I won't own a current gen Nintendo device, and nobody around here especially wants one either.
Nintendo needs a strong sales pith after the WiiU, yes, but they also seem to be forgetting that the 3DS has been keeping them alive in these last few years.
To turn their back on these fans suddenly and replace a respected, trusted, handheld line with a hybird that looks more dubious by the day is a poor idea, and I hope down the line we get another handheld to at least play this gen safe.
It's less about one thing, like not fitting in a pocket, but more a combination of parts you can lose(to make it fit in your pocket, docked parts on long trips are a no-no usually), having to purchase extra things for protection of your screens/a case, and a $25 dollar charger on top of that for long trips.
You add up these issues and you find the Switch to be more a home console you can carry around, rather than a true handheld experience which is, traditionally, based on convenience and portability. I like Mario and Zelda and all, a hardcore fanboy even, but it would be easier to bring a phone or my old DS/3DS at this point.
@lifepsychedelic
I just hope it doesn't kill traditional handhelds. I'd buy a dozen more 3DS if it means getting something that isn't the Switch later down the line.
@KirbyTheVampire
The problem I have with the Switch is that it's a subpar handheld. I don't care about graphics, never have, and the latest spec reveal of the Switch shows that it's seriously gimped as a handheld in that sense.
Those things aside? Handheld gaming is about portability and convenience rather than some measure of power. The Switch itself is wonky, not being convenient for some bags/any pockets, has parts you can lose on a trip, and in general is not designed for longs being more of a social console you can carry around town to yoru friends house. This idea is fine. I like this.
But to say it replaces the actual handheld experience is false, and I hope we get a 3DS successor down the line because this just wont fill the void.
@emperorbob I doubt it'll be gimped graphically, or at least not by much. The whole idea behind the system is that you get the full package everywhere, whether it's on your TV or in handheld mode. Sure, it'll only be 720p and the TV mode will be 1080p, assuming the rumors are correct, but that's not a big deal because it's a much smaller screen. Even if it looks a bit worse when used as a portable than it does on the TV, who cares? It's the same game, and it's portable. A lot of things point towards this being completely fine as a handheld. For example, we saw it live on Jimmy Fallon, and there are articles such as this one that point to it looking very good graphically. Of course, no one is reporting it, because all the "bad news rumors" are what sells. No one wants to hear the good news when Nintendo's involved. https://mynintendonews.com/2016/12/19/nintendo-switch-listed-as-vulkan-and-opengl-conformant/
Besides, what I said earlier about Bethesda still holds true. Todd Howard himself has played with the Switch, and chances are he played with it in portable mode. If he saw it suddenly turn into this gimpy, completely awful looking handheld when taken out of the dock, surely he wouldn't be so enthusiastic. This kind of thing should be paid much more heed than this horrible cesspool of conflicting rumors. Some reports say it'll be a super amazing system, others say it'll be barely functional. Some people even speculate that this rumor, among others, is based on early devkits. We won't know until January 12th, and until March when people buy this thing and tear it apart to see what the specs really are.
I personally think it'll function fine as a handheld. It's not quite as convenient to carry around as a 3DS, true, but it doesn't look that much bigger than the 3DS or the Vita. From what I hear, you can't fit those devices into your pockets unless you're wearing cargo pants, anyway. I could be wrong on that though, since I don't own either of them. The JoyCons technically could be lost, but they seem to click into place pretty solidly, and most people would be using carrier cases since it's not a clamshell design. If someone lost their JoyCons, clearly they're too inept as a human being to be carrying around a Switch, lol.
A true 3DS successor would be nice on paper, but in practice it would result in fewer games being developed for the Switch. Kind of a bummer in that regard. I'd rather have Nintendo focus their entire attention on their most powerful (and arguably their most important) system yet. After all, if they don't succeed with the Switch, I can't see them remaining in the console market. Maybe a few years down the line they could bring out a 3DS successor, when it won't negatively impact system sales and they've built themselves a solid library of games.
And apparently 40% less powerful than that when untethered from the dock.
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