It seems that someone at Nintendo is being a little too chatty with regards to the Nintendo Switch, which is leading to some interesting reports. This is another one from LetsPlayVideoGames.com, which to our understanding does have solid sources within Nintendo and elsewhere - earlier today it reported that the system will support Micro SDXC cards, with a potential capacity up to 128GB.
Though we do trust LetsPlayGames and the author of these articles, as with all reports via sources there are the usual provisos that they should be considered as rumours, albeit ones that we're relatively confident to share.
Two reports have been published by LPVG since the SDXC post - one concerns the apparent power supply port on the Switch console. Citing a Nintendo source and "a source close to the production of the reveal trailer", it's claimed that the bottom middle of the system has a USB-C port (pictured at the top). It is this that charges the handheld aspect when it's in the dock, and naturally chargers with that connector could also be used. This would see Nintendo move away from the proprietary chargers we've seen with Wii U and 3DS, but perhaps for good reason. With question marks around the battery life of the Switch, USB-C would at least allow for quick charging when plugged in.
The second report states that the Switch dock's USB inputs aren't going to support external hard drives. This is hardly surprising if the previous report regarding Micro SDXC support is correct. As highlighted by LPVG, supporting separate external memory types in the console and the dock would setup awkward situations where some content stored to a hard drive connected to the dock wouldn't be on the console, scuppering the 'on-the-go' feature. It'd be too messy to work, we'd suggest.
Both reports seem feasible in any case. We can be confident that Nintendo will offer some means of expanding memory, and as the portable aspect is the actual console it's logical that it'll house the solution.
We shall see in January, in any case. Let us know what you think of these reports in the comments.
I just want to know if supports portable chargers for when you need to keep that power going whilst away from home.
USB-C would be an incredibly smart move on Nintendo's part.
@Baker1000 No reason that it shouldn't. Though I suspect accessory makers will make a more comfortable and more sturdily connected battery pack to add more juice on the go.
It's about time Nintendo ditched it's proprietary charging crap for something actually practical. It only took them, what, 5 years?
Awesome that it will be USB-C. Fast charging will be great.
Not surprised about lack of external drive support. Would be a disaster
Ooh it's a "good news/bad news" Switch story!
I also hear that the Switch magically produces Sandwiches... but one in ten are poisoned....
With an USB-C connector the port can potentially charge, send/receive usb2/3 AND hdmi/displayport out.
Regarding lack of ext HDD support, my thoughts dwell on the rumored 32GB of internal storage. It's not so much the storage size, but the fact that the rumor also described it as having a transfer rate of 400MB/s. That's SSD territory there, not flash storage like what is found in basically any other console/handheld. So why so fast yet so small? Maybe it has something to do with if the Switch uses USB-C and the rumor of the dock having a USB 3.0 port (capable of up to 640MB/s).
My theory is that a USB 3.0 ext HDD is supported, and that the internal storage on the device is for temporarily holding a game loaded from the dock. Launch a game from the ext HDD, and while it loads up the game, it's also copying the game itself to the internal storage, kind of like how the PS4 let's you start playing while it installs. Would take a minute or 2 in total (with which a notification could be displayed to say it's copying). Once copied, you can then take the game on the road.
An issue with this idea though is that it could wear down the internal storage. It's one thing to continually read from it, but it's another to continually write to it.
Presumably the dock is meant to be portable to an extent so having to external hard drives plugged in be a hindrance.
Pretty smart if it's true. Type C works out well. Its the new standard in the industry
@TheMisterManGuy The Wii U pro controller uses a USB cable.
@Baker1000 I would imagine they would do something like they did with the wii u, where you can take the charger out of the dock and use it to charge the game pad directly. But who knows, nothing is confirmed yet
this is confusing since switch plays home console games and 3rd party games are always 50gb+ so...
Good idea if they do use USB - C, but no external HDD support on the dock? Sounds like Nintendo's giving up on digital downloads, so I'm sure we'll never get a modern account system, only the....thing we have now.
Another point, the Vita battery can endure a month in stand by, new 3ds a few days. So the stand by should be optimized too!
So what are the USB ports for then?
Well, it seems there really is still a lot of stuff to learn about the Switch.
@pinta_vodki If this is true, then I imagine those USBs are for accessory charging and maybe for media files
@duffmmann U Well if it is using USB-C, there are plenty of off the shelf batteries that exist that can be used with an older USB converter, and surely there will be a few USB-C ones eventually. A cursory search of Amazon shows there are a few that already have it.
I'm all for Nintendo ditching their proprietary cables & chargers! USB type C is the way forward! Personally though I do strongly feel that the dock should charge the switch wirelessly. It'll be convenient, less messy, feel more "high tech" and like an actual gadget rather than just a toy or videogame.
Sound good to me!
I think this console is a mess.
Nintendo Switch: 2 steps forward, 1 giant leap back...
The USB C thing is definitely a good thing if it is true, but how can Nintendo think 128gb of storage would be enough if it's playing console quality games, and those games are usually 25gb-50gb in size, and that is without all the updates they see and dlc. No, this is really dumb, you need to support external hdd or else where would people store all there games?!? I really want to support the Switch and Nintendo, but sometimes it's really hard with some of their decisions -_-
I hope this turns out to be true! One of the questions I have is with regard to charging. I'm concerned that the only way to charge the Switch will be the dock. Being primarily a portable gamer, my dock will likely see infrequent use. But it will be hooked up to my living room TV. I see myself playing my Switch in bed, plugging it in on my bedside table, and then putting it in my bag on my way out the door the next morning. Having to get up and plug it into the dock every night would be a huge pain.
"A farewell to Nintendo's proprietary chargers?"
GOOD EFFIN' RIDDANCE.
@TheMisterManGuy it actually took them 127 years.
I hope I can use the Gamecube Controller adapter if Smash for NX is a thing.
Otherwise, pro controller.
@BinaryFragger Personally, it was useful as I have a Cybiko cable lying around which I use for my PS3 as well.
@hYdeks Compression. I'd imagine it's one of the issues Nvidia thought about.
Wait the charging port is on the bottom of the console? So you couldn't flick the stand out and set it upright on a table and charge it at the same time while you're away from the dock (unless there's a portable dock)?
Also does this mean I'm going to have to awkwardly set the Switch into the dock making sure I have it lined up correctly? That sounds like a bit of a hassle really.
As far as games go and usb hard drives I'm fine without them. Generally I buy console games on disc/cartridge because it's cheaper than buying through the eShop which ALWAYS overprices the games. Just one 128GB card could hold a whole host of indie games and media alongside maybe 2 major 3rd party games.
It's more hassle to sit fiddling around with a usb hard drive then it is to carry a little case with my cartridges in it. God, just imagine trying to sit with the console on your lap and a hard drive without the hard drive falling or sitting at an awkward angle and becoming damaged. It's a nightmare. Not to mention the extra battery drain to power the hard drive the whole time AND the noise (if yours is an average drive like mine). Especially if the console has a fan like people are speculating it does in which case you'll have two sources of noise over your game which would be infuriating. Best keep your headphones on hand in that case.
Another issue is those that travel or use primarily as a handheld. They'll be stuck with a solution that only allows them to carry a few games at once. It'd also be alot to ask of consumers to micro manage their games to that extent and using the sd card with still take 20 minutes to move a game if the small 32 GB internal is full and you don't want to erase.
I wonder if it will have a microphone. It would be cool to have a skype or discord app on this and to be able to chat with friends while I'm out on public wifi or a mobile hotspot.
I really hope they are adding a lot of memory to this thing. 128 gb is still not as cheap as a 500gb hard drive and to own 2 of those even on a good sale is going to cost over 100$.
Guys, the only reason why modern games can be up to 50GB is because they tend to have a bunch of pre-rendered cutscenes and uncompressed audio. If you compress the audio and use in-engine cutscenes, you're looking at something closer to 10-20GB, and that's not even optimizing the game itself. Most AAA games ported to the Switch (assuming there isn't much internal memory) would be around 6-15GB.
@TruenoGT Oh really? Thanks, it's pretty obvious but I never though about it!
Yeah the storage should be a lot larger than that, 32 and 64, is a joke but even 128 is pretty lame. I always buy physical but come one, every piece of garbage comes with 500gb hd, even the worst notebook that you can find. And yeah, it's a kind of tablet, but at the core is a full fledge console, so it's better be good!
@MetaRyan Witcher III (which will not come to switch) use in engine cutscenes and is compressed as hell, but is up to 50gb. I may be wrong but I think that I'm not.
I buy games digitally (there's a rather limited offer of retail games for portable consoles here), so memory and game size matter for me - but there's such a thing as cloud save storage. Heck, it was the borderline MAIN reason I subscribed to PS Plus on my Vita earlier, and Nintendo has at least tangential familiarity with the concept via Pokemon Bank. Either that or easy way of PC backup. I don't even mind redownloading games (my home wi-fi can afford that nowadays, thankfully) as long as I don't have to worry about risking my progress in one game just because I want to try another one I just bought. I hope Nintendo will address that matter, in whichever way they choose.
I'm waiting for the part where they tell us we have to buy the charger separately like they did with the 3ds xl
I'm seeing people say that there's a possibility of no more digital download games because of how storage will now work. Can someone explain why that would be the case? If the Switch uses micro SD cards, couldn't you get digital games? I'm confused :/
@TheMisterManGuy Try 14 years. The GBA SP came out in 2003.
@link3710 USB charging didn't become standard until the Smartphone era. Even Apple, with their lighting cable BS, still allows you to charge their products with a USB port.
1 good story, 2 bad stories. Also, I've since read elsewhere that the bottom port can't be accessed while the kickstand is being used. Surely not? They couldn't have made such a design blunder.
Edit: Actually thinking upon it further it might be unavoidable.
@hYdeks could the game cards themselves be 128G allowing it to hold the game files, updates and DLC. Then have the micro SD be for eShop games and system updates.
I have the answer to everything. We find out January 12th or we wait till March when this comes out. There is no use speculating stuff. This is just silly. They are going to make it work. It is not going to suck. It will probably be like your phones. People relax.
USB-C... I'm fresh with that. I can dig it.
So I'll have to use a TV to play while it's charging? That's not good news for me, I don't usually have access to a convenient TV for gaming...
Mmm, boy, I'm itchin' for that January stream.
@Zorox88 well that's good for people buying the physical game cards, but if your buying retail games digitally, that 128gb memory card will be filled up really fast. Usually with updates and dlc it's not too bad when you have the physical game (physical game cards never have more room for updates and dlc, unless Nintendo intends to change that), because that goes seperately on the memory card. Guess we will need to wait for January 12th to get a real answer to a lot of peoples concerns.
@the-madprofessor I'm really hoping that is the case and you are right, guess I will need to wait for January 12th for a lot of the answers to be revealed, but it is kind of weird of a company to show something, than leave all the answers to be revealed only a couple months before a launch
My first thought was that you could plug in a external hdd and put the console in the dock and transfer the game very fast to the memory on the console, why I was upset at this rumour. Guess I'll have to wait and hear from Nintendo what is going on with all this.
I love all the people whining because these decisions aren't going to fit their own weird personal lifestyles.
The universe apparently revolves around countless oblivious & demanding geeks simultaneously.
Why do i get the feeling I'm being played, I've never known so many leaks about Nintendo products before, could this all be part of a clandestine marketing campaign, or am i just turning into a illuminati are everywhere nutjob.
I don't know. Adding everything together the hard drive and console. This will be more expensive than PlayStation vr
When I first saw the trailer, one of my original concerns was that the only charging port would be on the bottom and it seems that that's the case so that sucks.
Not being able to use the kickstand while having it plugged in is pretty silly, as well as it being so much more awkward to play when just sitting on the coach or lying in bed or whatever when the cord is running down the front rather than the back.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be possible to make the device compatible with larger capacity microSD cards via software update down the line? As far as I know, the 3DS is only "officially compatible" with 32GB cards, but you can format a larger capacity one to FAT32 and call it a day. I'm not seeing the issue here.
Everyone seems to be freaking out over nothing. The charging will most likely be similar to the Wii U's charging dock. They aren't that stupid (I hope so, anyways)
I dont buy this at all. With the size of games and the downloadable nature of updates and their size, im more comfortable with my gut feeling than a rumour. External HDDs will work with the dock, and options for transferring games would be easy as! Only been doing it with mobile phones and tablets for years.
I guess Nintendo is smartening up then. Sad that hard drives are going but from a technological standpoint I can understand why.
@Senpai_Bruh A lot of people here seem to be using their hands faster than their brains. Too much hyping, I suppose.
Don't worry too much about it. Of course there will be DL games. Why would there be a 128 GB-capable card drive if it wasn't for digital games?
@Kroko Oh ok. I was getting concerned for a sec. I couldn't imagine why there wouldn't be DL games, but the comments were totally confusing me.
It seems like the article is talking expandable memory, but they don't say anything about an internal hard drive. It would be nice if it has one. Then if it came with something good like a terabyte hard drive, it would make a lot of sense.
@hYdeks The 128GB mini SD card limit is not a big deal since it can be changed with a System Update. I remember the Wii originally supported only 2GB SD cards in the beginning, but with a System Update later on it supported up to 32GB SD cards.
Ow...if the Internal is really Huge enough (512 GB at least) it will be Perfect.
Going to need more than 128GB to be honest. The games are going to be huge.
On a side note... I'm used to the 3DS with the charging input being on the top... (when I'm lay down I can rest the system on my belly)... but if it's plugged in to the bottom. Ow.
@Link506 yeah but I'm talking about having a charger that plugs into USB sockets to charge much like the PS4 controllers do. If you can eliminate the need to find a plug socket and just rely on portable USB chargers, the like of which I carry around to charge my phone as standard these days, you'll truly be able to play it anywhere and battery time will never be a worry.
@Dark-Link73 good point, I remember that too.
Wii U have 2 charging input. Can be charged on the dock or on top like 3DS.
@Anti-Matter True. We got a fairly good look at the top. I wonder if anyone noticed another charging port up there? Hopefully there's one on top too.
@Findonovan95 Don't worry about the position of the charging port. Remember, the Wii U Gamepad had a charging port on the top and bottom. It just makes sense to have a port on the bottom. That way, it can charge while in the dock. And if it truly is USB-C, it will also act as HDMI out.
The Wii U had a charge pad on the bottom and charge port on the bottom. It would seem odd to have two actual ports just for charging. The charge port has to be on the bottom to slide into the dock. The top has vents which is likely to output additional heat when docked to overclock the cpu.
@cleveland124 The Gamepad had two ports exclusively for charging. One on the bottom so you can put it in the cradle, and one on the top for charging while you play (or the only way to charge if you got the Basic). It's not out of the question to have two charging ports on the Switch. One port for the sake of portability on the go, another for convenience at home (meaning you don't have to plug in another cable when it's on the dock). Remember, the port on the bottom is most likely used for an output and USB-C accomplishes that, while charging at the same time.
I don't see a top charge port in the pictures. There's the vent, cartridge slot, and headphone jack. Also looks like a power button and volume control. Definately no usb there now. I don't know of any handheld devices that have 2 charge ports. The Wii U had two different charge ports if you want to call the bottom one a charge port. My guess is if the Wii U dock was just a pass thru as appears to be the case with the NS, then it wouldn't have a top charge port. And we really don't know yet if you can charge the NS without the dock since Nintendo is being vague about that.
If it doesn't allow connection of a external hardrive what a horrible mess.
@Alshain01 Also it would mean fancy power bank chargers people bought for Pokemon Go will give the Switch a little more charge.
Assuming there will be a Smash Bros for the Nintendo Switch, I believe the USB ports are for the Nintendo GameCube Controller Adapter.
Or as Nintendo would know them, "customers". Let's hope they understand the relationship better than you do.
Yep, if no HDD Connection I'll be very surprised. Nintendo have been pushing us towards digital for a while, that would have the opposite effect. They'd better be putting plenty of storage in.
Good news if the charging thing is true, though.
Keyboard and mouse support when docked confirmed?
Oh good, back to rumours and sources. To be fair there's not much else for a Nintendo site to report on these days.
External hard drives will almost certainly not work. What happens when you are halfway through a save and undock the switch?
And portable? Carrying a hard drive and power supply around? I think not.
Between carts for retail games, and high density memory carts for downloadable games... I think it's covered.
@Spoony_Tech $39.99 for a decent MicroSD card on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DOB6YW4/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_JaWeybR87T5QK
No amazing sale price. I wouldn't be surprised to see that down around $25 around cyber Monday.
Not every game is 50gb +. Titanfall is 19gb, but I take your point.
How long will it take to install the games on to the card and how much writing to, can the card take as mentioned in another post.
My phone sucks :0(
Call me insane, but I just want to plug the Switch straight into the electricity socket. We'll wait and see!
@easygoingthief - I'm sorry to here that. What I mean is, most phones have a USB cord attached to a plug. You take them in your car to charge, put them on your laptop to charge exc... I don't think memory is an issue either. We all know the drill by now and their small cartridges as well.
@Baker1000 Nintendo or a third party may release a charging cradle, which would essentially be a cheap plastic stand with a USB C plug to sit on, and then an input at the back. (The same concept was applied to the Wii U Gamepad cradle).
This would be a smart move, and the benefits of USB C are that you can purchase/use any cable, and you can hot-swap the wall plug, making it cheap to implement for multiple regions.
"this is confusing since switch plays home console games and 3rd party games are always 50gb+ so..."
3rd party AAA games on PS4 and X1 average 25gb each. Only the super ultimate mega blockbusters hit 50 and above. And a good many releases are in the 10 to 15 GB range as well. I have a whole shelf full of PS4 games and I think the vast majority of them are under 20 GB.
The thing to remember is that the system isn't going to be as powerful and the games aren't going to be as large. Even Assassins Creed was only 20gb on Wii U, and I'm expecting a similar size on Switch.
In fact, we've already heard rumors that the cartridges will hold 32gb so we know that the games won't be larger than that (given the rumor is true). But I don't think we need a rumor to logically deduce that the games will be smaller.
Most of Nintendo's games will probably be 5 to 10 GB each while most third-party games will probably be 20 to 25, maybe 30 for the super mega AAA releases. And even if it gets decent, healthy support it's still not going to get anywhere near the quantity the other consoles get, so it's a matter of getting fewer games that take up half the space.
And with a 512gb SD + built in storage (32gb??) we'd have 542gb to work with. Even PS4 and X1 are being sold in 500 gig models. So I think it'll be adequate for portable device.
Makes sense to forego the drive entirely. I'd stick with support for big size flash cards in nintendo's case.
Docking the tablet upside down would work sine you can't use the screen docked anyway.
And what I mean is a mobile phone is a bad example for comparison of a console. There are too many models on the market of varying specs to say it's gonna be like your phone.
It would be great to ditch propietary chargers, its a pain finding an official replacement when they start to wear out.
@easygoingthief - I don't mean to sound crass, but what kind of phone do you have? Your phone is not in the majority. It sounds like your phone is an anomaly. Regardless of specs all my phones for the past 5 years have had USB and a plug attachment. Galaxy for 1 Year /Apple for the rest. Those two markets alone is enough to validate my argument. Not to mention my tablets: kindle fire/IPad/Galaxy Tab all have this feature. So I would not worry even if your phone is from 1989.
Just a simple Nokia non smart
I would not worry about it because every modern tab/phone has them.
Please... with (C)... Please sell me something... Please... with (C)...
Many of you plan on using that kick stand so much.
@Yoshi Good point, thanks for the reminder
This rumor sounds like fanboys wishing. They probably will use a similar charger to what the Wii U uses.
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