If reports and common sense are correct, we're likely only 4-8 weeks from seeing Nintendo's next tilt at the gaming hardware market. Most bets - based on sources, patents and logic - are on a system that will primarily operate as a portable but also be usable on the TV, yet regardless of those reports a new handheld will be in our not-too-distant future. Even if the NX defies all reports and ends up being an out and out home console (which seems unlikely), the declining sales and ageing technology of the 3DS mean a portable won't be far away. After all, the handheld space has consistently been Nintendo's most reliable source of sales success.
As portable gaming technology becomes increasingly powerful - just look at what some smartphones and tablets can now do - Nintendo is in an interesting spot. Through its own innovations and the progression of technology, it's in a position to do some intriguing things with its next portable that go beyond playing a bit of Fire Emblem on the bus. Perhaps, with the ever-presence of smartphones in our lives, Nintendo needs to continue its run of innovation and imagination to continue its strong run in the sector.
To start with the 3DS, we'd argue that it should be considered a success in its five years+ on the market. As of 30th June this year the 3DS had shipped 59.79 million units, well short of its predecessor yet a figure that reflects a system defying a tough start and long odds. Following a poor launch window Nintendo had to resort to a drastic price drop and pushing out key titles as quickly as possible, and from 2012 and beyond there was a sustained and impressive effort to salvage the family of systems. The 3DS XL provided a notable boost and the game library grew with some significant hits, and though the New 3DS has only performed modestly (8.81 million units shipped since late 2014) it has helped push the range on. Add the 2DS into the mix, and Nintendo has dragged the portable to solid lifetime sales when many wrote it off early on.
A big challenge that the 3DS faced, unlike the DS, was that it not only struggled to have the technological 'wow' factor that Nintendo was shooting for, but it also came into a world where smartphones and tablets (along with their games) were growing in stature. As you can see in one of the original 3DS marketing videos below, Nintendo was trying hard to show off clever features and highlight the portable's multi-functionality.
It's easy to forget just how many tricks the 3DS offers, especially with the New models including NFC / amiibo scanning - not all of those features have faded to irrelevance, either. StreetPass has been one of Nintendo's more solid successes with the 3DS, with the simple but effective feature being at the heart of the big N's efforts at expos and fan events. StreetPass groups still meet up regularly around the world, and for a time those hits and minigames were reason enough to keep the 3DS handy when out and about. Seeing that green light has often been a highlight.
It's also interesting that, with the success of Pokemon GO re-sparking the conversation around augmented reality (AR), Nintendo was early in trying to put the technology to work. Those AR cards and built-in games are a small part of the 3DS package when you unbox a system, but showcase the fact that - even with relatively limited horsepower - Nintendo was interested in how AR can be used for gameplay. With so much talk around virtual reality (VR), it's arguably AR that better fits the Nintendo template - it's more inclusive and social than the isolating headset-wearing equivalent.
Its also worth noting, as well, that when it comes to Pokemon GO the big N put money into the initiative, making itself an investor beyond the share of The Pokemon Company's stake. It was just one of multiple big-time investors, but it was still a statement of intent.
AR is, certainly, getting quite a lot of focus in the more experimental corners of the game industry. Microsoft's HoloLens is a little different from conventional AR but nevertheless aims to bring virtual figures into the real world. Google - one of the major investors in Niantic and GO - is also big on the idea, with Project Tango being an initiative to support AR apps and games across some Android hardware; one intriguing project is featured below.
With the recent strides in terms of the Nintendo Account and initial steps into mobile apps (such as Miitomo), there's certainly scope for Nintendo's portable experience to work alongside phone apps. If a next-gen portable provides optimum, full experiences and mobile apps offer accompaniments and activities when we don't have our handheld with us, there's scope for ideas based on StreetPass and even AR gaming to be fully dynamic between platforms. Perhaps the dedicated system offers full 'plus' experiences, with basic equivalents on our phones.
The key with concepts like StreetPass and AR is that they can be social, shared gaming experiences. Whether sitting in groups to share hits and puzzle pieces or to go on walks to catch Pokemon on the go, there's a lot of scope to play games together in person, at events or in impromptu gatherings. AR can go much further and be used in more imaginative ways than we see in Niantic's GO, too, even if the relative simplicity of Pokemon blended with Google Maps has proven to be a phenomenal success.
One of Nintendo's key selling points in the past decade has been its focus on bringing people together. Through introducing online play on DS and getting families and friends together with the Wii, through to StreetPass on the 3DS. With the growth in technologies and its own improvements in online networks and connectivity, Nintendo can take it further. AR is a bit like VR, meanwhile - it could be the next big thing in gaming or a fad; time will tell.
In any case, it wouldn't be surprising if Nintendo puts shared play at the core of its future hardware.
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I'd like a StreetPass app for my smart phone so I don't have to carry my handheld everywhere to get hits. It could be linked to My Nintendo account. In fact, why don't they have puzzle swap on mobile anyway?
I'm ready for Nintendo to reveal the NX and talk about the next mobile games (if they haven't been delayed in Nintendo fashion).
@wazlon omg streetpass on mobile is perfect
I love seeing that little green light! My partner is always giving off as I like to take my New 3DS XL everywhere and, yeah, it looks ridiculous in my pocket... but I care not!
Streetpass is great, it's too bad a have more puzzles then I ever will complete.
After spending a couple of hours at the Play Nintendo tour in the mall on Friday I came away with a few thoughts.
No sign of Wii U made me think it's time is well and truly done and Nintendo needs to replace it ASAP with a new home console. Couple that with Paper Mario being the 1 and only Wii U game this holiday and that new home console probably should have been out this holiday.
3DS has a nice selection of games out now, and more coming, a new handheld can wait. There was a huge $79 2DS sign, no mention of the New 3DS Mario bundle for $149 that is also coming out soon, and the New 3DS XL has room for a price cut as that has been $199, both old and New, since launch.
So while Wii U is all but dead, the 3DS family seems to have some real life in it yet. I think NX needs to be a home focused console in March, the handled or handheld component can wait until holiday 2017.
One other note of interest from the mall tour, while there was a section of Vans merchandise, sneakers and shirts, there was no sign or mention of amiibo anywhere, and I looked high and low. Not sure what to make of that going forward. Will NX be amiibo compatible? The Zelda line certainly leans towards yes, but maybe there won't be a big emphasis going forward? I don't know how they host such a children-family event and not at least have pics of amiibo somewhere, but they didn't.
There was 1 display case with the NES Mini and controller boxes off in a corner, but at least it was there.
Nintendo's had some popular and iconic home consoles but I'm certain that within the walls of Nintendo their handhelds, from Game and Watch on, are very much considered their flagship hardware.
If that's not been the case in eyes of the consumer then I think NX will very much do that. Their next handheld will differentiate them from the competition more than ever, I feel. And more than ever they need everything they can put into a new portable console device, their very survival as a hardware manufacturer depends on it 100%.
Their home consoles in the past have been vehicles for very fleshed out and explored software concepts. In fact, critical in translating Mario from the arcade machine to retail electronics. As technology advancements have shrunk powerful computers, now could be the time for a very evolved machine from Nintendo bridging all their expertise
@rjejr I think NX needs to be a hybrid, not a home console.
@wazlon Yeah, I was thinking Streetpass would work much better on mobile. With the 3DS, you don't really get a lot of Streetpass tags, but since everyone has a smartphone, Streetpass on smartphone would be as lively as they wanted it to be on 3DS.
@rjejr interesting observations on your day at Play Nintendo! Particularly concerning the amiibo no-show...
@rjejr The Play Nintendo tour most likely started before the $149 new 3DS reveal, FYI.
I think the main thing with Play Nintendo is that it markets casuals. I have no evidence, but I'd expect casuals to lean more towards buying shirts or shoes of their favorite characters as opposed to small figurines.
But yes, the NX just has to be a home console first and foremost. It makes the most sense for Nintendo. I just don't thing the Eurogamer rumors are real.
I love how the first video completely glossed over the Nintendo Eshop.
i have no feeling for streetpass ... it doesn't work for me here or any other country near me ... ppl here in kuwait or any other middle east countries doesn't know anything about nintendo ... only few ppl less than 5% maybe own nintendo consoles so i don't care if NX will support it or not ... even i take my 3ds with me everywhere !!
I'd like My Nintendo to be worthwhile which it isn't so far and that doesn't need any Nintendo hardware.
Assuming the NX is a portable, I'm positive Nintendo will incorporate a streetpass function of some kind. I think it was one of the biggest innovations of this past generation.
Nintendo needs a new gaming platform, not just a console. It seems obvious at this point that the NX will mix console, portable, and mobile gaming in SOME way. Their IPs have officially proven they can dominate all 3 markets.
@wazlon I think that kind of defeats the purpose of streetpass. Haha. It's about encouraging people to bring their handheld out and about.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy I know the show started before the $149 New 3DS, I was just pointing out how Ntineod as a whole seems to be trying to continue to market it's portable while the Wii U disappears. So a home console replacement should be it's first priority.
The show was mostly geared at kids. A 4-player contest for kids, a crane game for kids. They could have pushed the new Kirby amiibo set, maybe even sold a few.
@MJInnocent Not sure if you're familiar w/ @Captain_Gonru on here, but he's been "amiibo on NX" focused so I've been looking into it. I think NX will have it, it's too important to Zelda Wild on NX to leave it out, but where are the Cloud, Bayonetta and Corrin amiibo? Why not have toys marketed towards kids at a kids event? Kirby Planet Roboton was 1 of the big games there, and that game has it's own amiibo. Why not at least show them somewhere? No sign of the portal either. Or the AC cards, but AC wasn't really there.
@Grumblevolcano "I think NX needs to be a home focused console in March"
Well it can be a hybrid, but that's why I said "focused". They can come out w/ a hybrid and spend 45 minutes talking about how great it will be to take Zelda w/ you on the go, then spend 15 minutes at the end talking about it's TV functionality, or they can spend 45 minutes talking about how great it will be to play Pikmin 4 and Zelda at home at launch, then at the end spend 15 minutes talking about it's portability.
I think they need to focus on the home aspect to get people excited to replace the Wii U, which is dead, then mention portability at the end. If they come out swinging talking about a new handheld then that kills what's left of potential 3DS sales and doesn't give the home console folk anything new to get excited about.
Focus.
@rjejr No, that approach would basically kill the NX because of comparisons to the Neo and Scorpio. The focus needs to be on the portability so they don't get ripped to shreds from the graphics war. As for concerns about losing potential 3DS sales, well Sun/Moon will be enough to push those sales.
@Grumblevolcano I don't see how Nintendo can escape the NX being compared to the competitors. The very fact it apparently has a docking station that allows for playing at home on the big screen automatically puts it up against Sony and Microsoft. And they can't not talk about it if it's truly a hybrid.
The problem is media and half the gaming Internet are already making these comparisons so they're losing that battle without saying a word.
With the success of Pokémon go, I wonder if Nintendo could figure out a way to get a built in GPS on their system. I'm not sure if they could do something like go without an internet connection though.
Streetpass and AR are cool, but I'd like the primary focus of the NX to be about the games, since this is the most important thing for a gaming console to have.
@Grumblevolcano "well Sun/Moon will be enough to push those sales."
I think everybody who wants S&M has had a 3DS since at least X&Y or at least ORAS, if not before. I was actually thinking more about MH Stories which just looks adorable, the DQ remakes and Sonic Boom. Don't laugh, that's 1 more Sonic game than Wii U is getting.
The only people comparing NX power to PS4 and X1 will be PS4 and X1 famboys who were never going to buy an NX anyway. Well maybe if it's handheld. I think they need to get the 13mil Wii U owners to upgrade, and a few million Wii owners. And some PS3 and Xbox360 owners who haven't bought a PS4 or X1 yet, I think there are about 100 million of those.
I suppose it's just my personal opinion after all, but I'd much rather Ntinedo come out and show off the great looking NX games on a big screen TV being played w/ a Pro controller - Zelda, Pikmin 4, maybe Kid Icarus 2 or Luigi's Mansion 3. Make a statement that Ntineod is in fact making home console games. Then after all the oohs and aahs, then ask people, "Woudln't it be great to take those games with you?" and unveil the handheld in a cradle that's portable.
There are 2 ways to present NX -
Big screen TV gaming, that can also be taken on the go
Another Nitneod handheld, with TV out
I want big screen gaming first, on the go as the bonus. Not handheld gaming that I can play on the TV if I want. That's just the way my brain's wired I guess.
Oh, I also don't think it's in competition w/ the other 2. There will be no FS besides Spla2oon, but hopefully Squeenix will be on board w/ FF7 remake. NO sports games either. It's the alternative console. And if MS keeps pushing PC play, maybe PS4 kills X1, then more people buy NX. Apple does fine w/o the Android Store, Nitneod can do fine w/o EA. No one expects Robin to compete w/ Batman, there are sidekicks in life.
Nintendo should make Pikmin GO! An AR game where you attack your surroundings with Pikmin and you find nearby enemies to attack!
Now that reminds me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsV-4j0hrd0
@rjejr O_O I thought it was just a small cart-thing or something, not that.
@hieveryone the heck are you doing here
The StreetPass games were great, but only if you had Homepass in order to get the hits. Even with the relays, it's just too difficult get the hits (or, I suppose, too much effort for little potential gain). I was hoping the counter stopped at 100 000 and the extra accomplishments were related to amiibo. But, no. It really does go up to 999 999 hits. I stopped at 100 000. If StreetPass carries over, I'd like to see more ways to get hits and the 8 hour wait between hits from the same source to be shortened considerably. Life's too short and if you make it too bothersome to play, people will ignore it and move on to something else.
Oh, I just saw Pikachu at the Olympic tennis final.
@rjejr I feel that with the popularity of Pokemon Go some people who haven't been a part of the franchise in recent years may attempt to pick up the latest games of Sun and Moon, which could lead to an increase in 2/3DS sales.
@The_Dude_Abides £20 for any game? Sir I believe you need to understand something. A game physical or not can cost millions outside of the indie space. Returns need to be made otherwise it's just peeing away cash. £20 is an attractive price point yes but only in sales. I can't imagine any sane mainstream developer saying £20 sounds good for this 40 million budget game.
@rjejr I personally think the remaining smash amiibo will launch with smash wiiu ultimate edition I suspect we will get for the nx but will work on all platforms.
@rjejr
Cool report on the Play Nintendo thing!
If no Amiibo means no more amiibo from Nintendo, maybe no Wii U means no more home consoles from Nintendo.
I'd prefer more amiibo and a dedicated home console so you need to rearrange your logic. Or I do. Or Nintendo does.
Just one question about Streetpass.
I have never encounter StreetPass in my country (Simple, nobody play 3DS with StreetPass being ON). But, if i owned two 3DS, can i still get StreetPass noticement even just only moving my two 3DS pretend like encounter with two different 3DS and then sharing data after pass through each other ?
@Anti-Matter Yes, absolutely! You can get the 2 3DS systems to "pass" each other every 8 hours or so.
You could also use Homepass, which essentially spoofs a StreetPass relay station through a network of Homepass users. It's one of the few ways of "cheating" that doesn't bother me, since it doesn't affect Nintendo's own systems, but rather adds to them to make the experience possible outside of Japan. The StreetPass games also don't directly pit players against each other, so use of HomePass isn't going to affect anybody else's experience.
@Sakura
Thank you so much for the information.
What ? Must wait for every 8 hours after being passed ? My...
Well, i can doing something else while waiting.
By the way, if i got noticement about HomePass, what kind of color of my 3DS noticement ? (Orange = Someone is Online, Blue = SpotPass, Green = StreetPass)
@aaronsullivan "you need to rearrange your logic. Or I do. Or Nintendo does."
Good point. Only we already know the NX is coming, otherwise I'd just say "3rd party confirmed". And Zelda has been confirmed as an NX game, and I just don't see how something that runs so poorly on Wii U that they can't even show us NPC is going to play well on a handheld.
And I never said no amiibo. OK, maybe I did, but I meant less focus. amiibo were all the rage when SSB released on Wii U, but maybe they'll be relegated to the back burner a bit more, not be a selling point. Nintendo spent a little too much time on incidentals w/ Wii U - Google Maps and that 3D View thing for $2 each - seriously, who bought those? - and generic action figure, video chat, TVii. So let NX have amiibo, but don't call them a feature, make the games the feature - how's that for a novel idea? - and just let amiibo be amiibo. Frankly I would just drop them if they didn't own Pokemon, 700 and counting, either as toys or cards, they have to get made. There will be another Pokemon Snap someday.
..I have liked street pass, but if AR was so important, why has the 3DS only gotton the AR game that came with it and a picture one.. That's it?.. I was hoping for more..and how Nintendo's handling the My Nintendo, a real account system, and the Wii U/3DS to NX transition...is like they're already living in their own virtual reality...
@Danpal65 "which could lead to an increase in 2/3DS sales."
Well, some people would probably make the argument that people playing Go already game on phones so they'd don't need a 3DS, but I agree w/ you, Go could pull in some new 3DS owners. But I do think it would be sooner though, they could play a myriad of Pokemon games now, rather than wait until Nov for S&M. People playing Go now won't even remember by November what they were doing this summer. The world is a crazy sensory overload place, nobody remembers anything anymore, we all just keep moving forward.
So I do think more people will buy a 3DS b/c of playing Go, in fact I think NL recently carried an article about that, but they'll do it now for older games, not wait until Nov for S&M.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/08/pokemon_go_credited_with_boosting_omega_ruby_and_alpha_sapphire_sales_in_japan
Oh, found another article while looking for that one which I remembered, that basically says we're both right, 3DS and Pokemon sales are up now, and they expect the same for Christmas. Nice when we both can win.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/07/retailers_expect_pikachu_and_pals_to_be_big_sellers_this_christmas_thanks_to_pokemon_go_fever
@faint I've been thinking they were holding back those 3 amiibo for the NX reveal too. Gives them something else to talk about and show. And if they want to show off Cloud while talking about FF7 Remake on NX, well so much the better.
Nintendo is smart to invest in augmented reality like Pokemon go that are social in nature - like spotpass. Every time I try a Virtual Reality headset - I get nauseous and can't imagine playing that for more than 10-15 minutes... it is so isolating.
I know this is a bit off topic but why hasn't anyone mentioned the New Leaf update that adds amiibo support that's coming soon? Does NO ONE check Miiverse from time-to-time? The update made me think that maybe the AC: Mobile compatibility has to do with that game instead of something new.
Street pass always seemed like the next logical addition to Miitomo. Throwing in Quest and Puzzle and then selling the rest as add-ons would keep lots of people coming back, especially if Miitomo replies generated 'hits' too. I'm sure it would work over Bluetooth.
Nintendo is in a unique position at the minute. The 200m+ people playing Pokemon Go every day around the world are giving them mindshare, even if Nintendo didn't develop the app.
Like it or not they are Nintendo's next audience. If they developed a full-blown F2P Animal Crossing they would make a killing because it would be Nintendo's F2P and not be unfair or pay to win. Nintendo could easily own the mobile space if they tried. A MFi version of the WiiU Pro controller would destroy all 3rd party models.
@Anti-Matter The indicator light is green, just like in normal StreetPass.
For Homepass, you'd need to configure a router, a phone or a Raspberry Pi. There are lots of instructions around. I use a router flashed with DDWRT that is connected to my main router and change the mac manually on PC. Some options allow for automatic rotation of macs. It depends what equipment you have. Might seem overly complicated at first, but really is the only way if you live in an area without many 3DS consoles or relay stations.
I'm seriously thinking a New 3DS might be my next console purchase when the price drops in Britain. My old XL is tied to the Aussie shop and I'm not ready to say goodbye to 3D. I just wish they'd release a New New 3DS with better graphics.
@Captain_Gonru I wouldn't have given lack of amiibo a second thought there if @rjejr hadn't pointed out the new Kirby game and its new amiibo. How hard would it be to line up some Kirby amiibo in a plastic box? My only thought is that they were focusing on interactivity and it's not very conducive to use without abuse in a setting like that.
I honestly don't know. Nintendo won't keep supporting something that isn't "working". They made a relatively large deal about those Zelda amiibo including the first articulated one. To me it felt like a suggestion of things to come; a show of continued support, also. Maybe it was just a trial balloon to see if they should continue and the public reaction was "meh" on surveys?
Maybe that killed amiibo right there? (My personal reaction was, "I'm going to buy all of those".)
Here's the thing. I really, really think that Nintendo, even if the last couple amiibo attempts have fizzled, is going to give the whole amiibo another valiant attempt with the NX launch. It rode an insane popularity ride for too long to ignore an opportunity to boost it again. Especially if a SSB release is coming to the NX.
I don't know if amiibo has been failing at all and that's with support from a dead console and an old portable that needs an adapter (or the newest, lowest selling variant) to work with amiibo. If it's doing halfway decently in that marketing environment and Nintendo has any confidence in NX, it seems like another round of amiibo is a lock.
@Captain_Gonru Man, I don't even know what those new amiibo do in Zelda Wild, but the Link wolf familiar alone would be enough for me to never play the NX version, I don't care how portable or 1080p they make it.
I agree with you, they've never said NX will have NFC, but they've never said anything about NX, only that they'l talk abut it sometime in 2016 and it will launch in 2017. And I'm not believing the Nvidia rumours at all at this point, they would have had to say something at that investor meeting, even if Nintendo swore them to secrecy it would still be big $ for Nvidia, they'd have to slip it in there somehow. So, we've heard nothing about NX except it's getting Zelda Wild, and Zelda Wild has 4 amiibo. Seems like a confirmation to me.
@aaronsullivan "it seems like another round of amiibo is a lock."
And 700+ Pokemon will not be denied. I wonder if they can get them into Pokemon Go on phones that have NFC readers built in. It's a fairly long list.
http://www.nfcworld.com/nfc-phones-list/
As for NX, I still hope the reveal is game focused, not amiibo focused, unless there is a very good amiibo-centric game. Though I have considered having all the DLC amiibo unlocking there counterpart in game if Nitneod doesn't bundle $100 worth of DLC in the Deluxe edition. I still don't understand why I have to buy Cloud and Bayonetta amiibo for $11.99 and then pay another $7.99 to get them in game. amiibo shouldn't exist if they can't unlock their own in game character.
Not sure what to include and what not to include in the NX version though. I don't think all $100 worth of DLC will be included, but some of it should be. Maybe include the 5 non-amiibo stages - worth about $15 - and all of the Mii costumes - about $48 I think - so about $110 for $60 - then make the 7 DLC characters unlock w/ their amiibo OR purchase in game. 3 of those amiibo still need to release, and they can re-release the other 4 alongside them, the NX SSB line. Seems fair.
http://www.smashbros.com/us/dlc/
@Captain_Gonru Wasn't me, but I can understand the confusion/mix up, considering the amounts of comments thrown around mentioning all of our regular discussion partners sometimes...
@Captain_Gonru Well they could just put all 7 DLC characters in the game on NX, then amiibo will be equal. But we get those orignal 45 characters as playable already, so the amibo can only unlock them as sidekicks. But if I have to pay extra for the character and the amiibo sidekick, well that isn't fair either as they are in the game before the NX version releases. (Well if there is 1, we don't actually know.)
While I see the point of your argument, that you don't agree with, I think my way plays out better in my head. You still get $113 worth of SSBU for only $60 on NX, but you can then sell the 7 amiibo to unlock the characters in game. I just think that presents itself well and gives amiibo a push they didn't have before. Still need the in-game non-amiibo option though for people who don't want toys, but it gives the toys some much needed added value.
@NinChocolate You may very well have a great point. While I've found hundreds and hundreds of great experiences on Nintendo home consoles, I think if I counted up the hours I've spent on Nintendo devices, their handhelds would win hands down. Now, you could chalk it up to the nature of the devices, being handheld and probably more readily accessible than a home console. I'm sure thats a big part of it. But I think its a testament to how well they've mastered that market that you can get so much out of an experience that may not be as robust (as far as content and length) as a console game.
With that being said, I still get equally as excited for the impending unveiling of a home console. Obviously, the NX might be a special case. But I am excited nonetheless
@Captain_Gonru ""preload" your amiibo before you leave the house"
Skylanders on 3DS actually worked like that. The trade-off was you couldn't switch characters mid-level, whatever character started the level ended the level, but it did make the game playable portable a bit more. Not sure if it really had a "bank" though, more like load 2 at home, put your 3DS to sleep, play on the road. My kid never liked it.
There should have been a Wara Wara Plaza on Wii U, that's for damn sure. Let all my amiibo walk around and interact, and add a camera feature like SSB has w/ the trophies. I liked that aspect of Ninteod Land as well, find the Miis, whatever it was called. Should have happened, it really should have happened. And when you click on them they tell you what data is saved - SSB, MP10, etc and their nickname, my kids have given all of our amiibo some funny nicknames, and who owns it.
In general, while some people have said Disney Infinity singled the death of toys-to-life, Level 5 in Japan has other plans. I think all of their games have toys-to-life now. amiibo shouldn't go away, just the opposite, get a real game. I'm still waiting on Subspace Emissary 2. That game was made for amiibo.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/07/level-5_shows_more_of_the_snack_world_and_unveils_cross-media_strategy
Level 5 is also making another Ni No Kuni, that game would be great w/ toys-to-life as it's like a Pokemon JRPG. Of course we don't know if NX is getting it b/c Nintedo is trying to kill me. See @aaronsullivan games are out there, I need to know. Even if it is a PS4 exclusive, maybe if Ninteod wasn't so tight lipped NX could get god games to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkY9a7DQUE
@invictus4000 If StreetPass was linked to your My Nintendo account though it would still be promoting Nintendo software. I think it would work better as most people carry their smart phone, having to carry your 3DS as well gets a bit much and I don't carry a handbag with me so never bother. Users could transfer the data to the 3DS whenever they connect it to the internet.
Streetpass is LAME
@Captain_Gonru I don't see the dock doing stuff other than powering, charging and upscaling on its own, so either it is going to be a separate home console that can link with the handheld in which case it can obviously operate on its own, but otherwise I don't think it could, unless it could stream from a server, like an online gaming service, that could keep track of your progress and share that between handheld and dock and your online profile.
But in all honesty, that sounds like a bit too advanced for something coming from Nintendo. I think it's already going to be quite a feat for them if they get the whole online and account thing right this time around...
I also think it is going to be two dedicated devices, going by all the info/rumors that I collected in comment #89 of this thread,
but if we assume that it IS going to be a dock/handheld combo, then there might be a standard bundle with both in it, and you could then buy additional handhelds (up to four) that could sync with the dock, each with their own unique account/NNID and online profile/save games, so that could be one solution to you taking the primary handheld with you on the go and leaving the dock at home for the kids; they could just use their own handheld devices with it.
As far as Amiibos go: that could easily be implemented by putting an NFC chip in either device, so no obstructions there to implement support for that either.
One of the latest rumors now mention an Nvidia handheld coupled with a dock that has an AMD GPU in it for extra horsepower and upscaling when playing on the TV, and coupling/porting provided by Xilinx technology.
However, @rjejr's new friend HappyNintendoFan claims that the handheld part is going to be based on a new GPU from DMP, who have also been responsible for the 3DS/2DS/New 3DS and still seem to have active connections with Nintendo. According to him, the Tegra X1 in the dev kits is just a placeholder, much like the Tegra 2 was only a placeholder in the original 3DS.
He also claims there are going to be two separate devices. He is pumping out videos and Twitter posts like crazy. His videos are all done with text to speech because according to his own words, he is afraid his voice will be recognized and he will not reveal himself until after the official reveal of the NX.
Sounds wacky, also to me, but who knows?
Here are some of his very informative videos, and underneath that, the translated web page that he refers to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYAJgcUlUBI&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTwGzHPuRq4&t=0s
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F1014610.html&sandbox=1
And here a video that contains the third party games that he claims will appear in the launch window:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZb-S3dOio
And this guy is also doing some interesting Nintendo related stuff on YouTube.
And if @rjejr is wondering: I was looking for a bit of variation from PlayerEssence and SMD64, and so I came across these guys when looking for more NX related videos...
@Captain_Gonru I honestly have no idea, but from my point of view and knowing Nintendo, a smart phone done by them is a definite no. The deal with DeNA was only ever meant to use their expertise in online gaming and smart phone apps, but not to make a smart device.
And personally, I'm still betting on there being a normal handheld and a normal home console with some kind of extra functionality/gimmick that makes it stand out from the competition that they are "not competing with". (since being in the same business makes it competition by default)
I don't believe in a Nintendo tablet either, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. Since they aren't going to show anything at Gamescom (which was to be expected) they might drop a hint at the Tokyo Game Show or else it'll just be a dedicated event somewhere in the second half of September.
@Captain_Gonru "but we can jump off that bridge when we come to it."
I've been ready to jump off a bridge - onto PS4 - for awhile now, but I'm stuck on that FFXV delay so I have no choice but to jump back and wait on PS:CS.
Handheld-home does get tricky in a household when you get down to daily usage. 1 good thing about handhelds is that they tend to be cheaper than home, unless you launch at $249 then 3 months later you're $169. Or you stay expensive like Vita and sell worse than the Wii U. (At least I think it did worldwide, probably better in Japan.) So personal handhelds can be had by everyone. But I dont' want to pay for a handheld, and a dock, and some cables, and a controller, for every handheld. We can share a dock. But we can't share My Nintnedo, so Home needs multiple accounts. Whcih it wont' get if its a handehld w/ TV out.
For cryin' out loud Ntineod, just show us the damn thing already. You can keep your internal spec partners a secret, but give us a pic of the console already.
@ThanosReXXX "One of the latest rumors now mention an Nvidia handheld"
I thought after that Nvidia financial report we were done w/ them? I know I was. I'm still waiting on Hot Chips on the 20th but they seemed like a non-starter to me. I do like the DMPs theory. If this thing was called 4DS instead of NX people would be running w/ that, but people get hung up on names. AMD in the base for up-res makes sense, I think we've discussed that to death from all angles. I like AMD in both right now, ARM in the handheld, I still want both. I want a Wii U 2 that's cheaper than Wii U b/c the Gamepad is sold seperately as a 4DS, and I want a 4DS that outputs games via the Wii U 2 so Nintendo can sell both consoles. Of course if they play the same games, then they really only need 1 console, not 2, but I don't think you can get Home power on a handheld that you need for great games. (You've covered this, handheld games on home but not home games on handheld. I think some 3rd parties would poo poo that. ) And I want 2 screens for some games, not all. I want this to be a culmination of everything they've ever done - Gameboy Player on Gamecube, 4 player FF:CC w/ Gameboy and Gamecube on TV. I want the perfect unity of home and handheld, yet they work perfectly alone as well. And I want amiibo support in both for @Captain_Gonru
@rjejr Agreed on everything, although personally, what I'd prefer even more is the usual dedicated handheld and console, like I described in my previous comment.
As for DMP: looking at how far they have come tech-wise since the 3DS and who their current clients are besides Nintendo, it wouldn't seem all too far fetched to see them as the provider of the chips inside the handheld, and our new friend HNF swears by them.
From a dev kit perspective it also makes perfect sense: those nearly always have more powerful hardware than the actual device, so if they have dev kits with a Tegra X1 in them to emulate the M3000, that is entirely within the realm of possibilities and would also explain the whole "EuroGamer is certain it's Nvidia" thing and where all these Tegra X1 rumors are coming from. Remember: people have seen the dev kits...
@rjejr And I'm pretty certain that getting Amiibo support will be the least of your worries: if they can put an NFC chip in a credit card, then it will be all but effortless to put it in a console or a handheld...
@ThanosReXXX "if they can put an NFC chip in a credit card, then it will be all but effortless to put it in a console or a handheld..."
Just a quick reaction to that - wouldn't an NFC READER take up more space, and cost more to license the tech, than a NFC chip though? I still think it will be in there, but I wouldn't compare a "chip" to a chip "reader".
And just to throw it out there - all NFC toys besides amiibo work on portals on all the other systems - Disney Infinity, Skylanders and Lego Dimensions. In fact, as somebody who owns bunches of all 4 of those, I'd say having a dedicated portal is 100x better than having the reader in the Gamepad. Nintnedo's way is by far the worst way of handling toys. Playing Lego Dimensions is all about constantly moving players around the board, it's almost like Stratego or Chess but in real time. You can't do anything at all like that w/ the Gamepad. Skyalnders Trap Team had a built in speaker for the characters you trapped. I'd almost prefer they dropped the NFC reader and just got on board what everybody else is doing.
It could be the #1 reason why we don't have an amiibo-centric game, you need those toys to constantly be on the portal, you can't just scan them once to begin play and once at the end.
So I still think they'll just move the NFC reader from the New 3DS to the handheld, but a home console needs a portal, not a chip reader. But we'll probably get a chip reader in a Pro controller.
What do you think @aaronsullivan no amiibo-centric game b/c Nintnedo's way of handling amiibo is too limited for gaming? Maybe drop the controller reader and make a portal for NX?
@ThanosReXXX "people have seen the dev kits..."
And you'd think Eurogamer would have learned that lesson after their 3DS screw up. Really, NL has been pushing that EG rumour so hard, I may have to stop coming here if it turns out not to be true. I'm ok w/ half-true - Nvdia in handheld, AMD in home - but if its DMP and AMD, or AMD and ARM, NL owes us all an apology.
And I'll congratulate them if they got it all right. Which I hope not b/c that makes Iwata a liar from his grave - "Consoles like brothers" he said.
"When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems."
He also talked about making it easier to move software "from platform to platform"
"If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms."
He may be long gone, but he was at least "planning" 2 or more consoles 2 1/2 years ago.
http://nintendoeverything.com/iwata-on-integrating-handheldconsole-teams-next-system-will-absorb-the-wii-u-architecture-adequately-more/
@Captain_Gonru "Couldn't it be one of the modular attachments for the interchangeable controller parts?"
You mean those stupid parts that run on infrared in the patents? Infrared would be such a bad idea for using the controllers while the tablet is in the TV stand, they'd never work. Same thing for 2 people playing on the tablet, infrared is so fussy and needs direct line of sight. Sucks for doing stuff on both the 3DS and the Gamepad.
For about 1 generation of those toys-to-life games there were a lot of wireless controllers. Then the parents all complained abut the batteries constantly dieing, so next gen and ever since every one has been on a wire. All on USB except MS consoles which do their own connector. The tablet can use those controllers while attached, or just put it in the tablet, but if there's a separate Home console, I'd rather it just have a USB portal like everybody else, not in a Pro controller. 4 people playing SSB w/ amiibo, it was so stupid putting them in 1 by 1, just make a 4 player portal, Ntineod has enough 4 player games to justify it. Make "amiibo Gauntlet".
@rjejr Yeah, you got me there: you're right. But even an NFC reader is actually only a USB-stick sized (or thumb-sized, if you will) PCB, so that can easily be incorporated into a handheld or a console, or even a dock if that is what it's going to be.
And needless to say, agreed again on the separate systems.
@rjejr Like you, I also don't think it is going to be IR. It'll either be Bluetooth or the proprietary transfer protocol that they used in the Wii U GamePad.
By the way: I'll take that apology you mentioned in comment #69 with a complementary crate of Bacardi...
@rjejr P.S.
Microsoft controllers also connect to the console with normal USB.
I should know: I've got one of their consoles here...
@ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru
Well if MS used plain old USB for the portals, then why did Disney Infinity only work w/ either 360 or One, but not w/ PS or Wii U?
From DI:
"DISNEY INFINITY BASE
Disney Infinity bases from previous versions of Disney Infinity for the PS3™, PS4™, and Wii U™ can be used universally on Disney Infinity 3.0 Edition for PS3™, PS4™, and Wii U™. Disney Infinity bases from previous versions of Disney Infinity for Xbox One will only work on Disney Infinity 3.0 Edition for Xbox One. Disney Infinity bases from previous versions of Disney Infinity for Xbox 360 will only work on Disney Infinity 3.0 Edition for Xbox 360."
https://infinity.disney.com/compatibility
For the IR, everyone was talking about 2 players removing those controllers for 2 player gaming like the old systems with 2 wired controllers. IR is fine i fconencted, like the CPP on th e3DS, but if they can be removed, say for using them while the tablet is in the base for on TV play, then they need bluetooth, or whatever Wii U to Gamepad uses.
OK, we're going to Target to pick up our Lego D order, 40% off this week if anyone is interested. We got Doc Brown and his time travelin train, Wicked Witch and flying monkey and Ghostbusters level w/ Venkman, Ecto-1 and a trap all for $25. @aaronsullivan have you caved yet?
@rjejr They probably put some chip inside there to prevent that, don't ask me why or how, just guessing. But if the connectors to the console are the same, then in theory, there wouldn't be any reason for it to not work, but there haven't been that many cross compatible devices in the past either, so it's probably a restriction built into the hardware so you are obligated to buy the version that is meant for your console.
"OK, we're going to Target to pick up our Lego D order, 40% off this week if anyone is interested."
Sure, send one over. I'll pay you later, or when you come to visit this lovely little country again...
@rjejr @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan Hold on to your horses and tin foil hats at the ready:
As the video states, he seems to have proof, and in the comments underneath the video he says a LOT more will be coming in the next few days...
EDIT:
Better switch the video to full screen, as some of the text is really small...
@Captain_Gonru Trekkie then?
@Captain_Gonru Well, if this guy is for real, then according to him, it will be a combo of VR and AR, but the Star Trek game is purely VR. I like his explanation of the mix between the two: "See it as an experience where virtual bullets fly around your head in your actual room."
But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Even if he has sources, there are more people and websites that have sources and nothing is certain yet, although he himself certainly is. So in that respect he certainly has made me curious enough to see how that turns out.
I don't know if @rjejr has already persuaded you and @aaronsullivan to start following him on Twitter or on YouTube, but he made a handy recap video yesterday that shows all the statements that he made so far, accompanied by the third party games that he claims will be released at launch:
Oh, and just in case you're wondering: "he" is HappyNintendoFan...
He also made a rather flashy E3 mock-up video with the same games:
Even if none of it is true, at least it keeps the hype fresh for now. And the videos are less "conspiratory". He just states that what he says is true, that he will reveal himself soon, and that he doesn't care if you believe him or not, which to me personally is actually kind of refreshing.
@Captain_Gonru I had kind of a big discussion about this very point with Kirk, and according to him, VR is superior and AR is still flat, so maybe the mix of the two makes it 3D? The heck if I know...
But true, we will see soon enough. A little piggy told me that the 20th of September will be a nice reveal date, if only because of the fact that a whole lot of special Directs were broadcasted on a Tuesday...
@rjejr On the amiibo-centric game and NFC. I think I like the idea of a new reimagined way to do the amiibo-linking. Something stable that can support the figures long term if necessary. I just worry about it being sold separately.
This could be solved by an exciting game with a really well-integrated use and a bundle with that game... I don't know.
You don't want a significant amount of NX owners to be without one. You still want all those new people to see an amiibo and just impulse buy it. They are good for that type of sale.
I'm all for a nice game like you've described in the past where you can bring all those characters in strategically while you play and just let them sit and interact with some basic lighting and... why not, let's add sounds in there. Then you can charge me for it bundled with the game.
I want to say it could work the old way and with an optional base so people can upgrade for more convenient use and FX and features... but then... sigh games won't be able to rely on any of the features, so...
@ThanosReXXX
HappyNintendoFan is cray cray. That reveal video was a horror show! Maybe his source is 100% right on but he doesn't know what to do with it. lol.
On AR, it is 3D, ideally. @Captain_Gonru has the right idea. I can only imagine Kirk is still thinking of the kind used through 3DS and mobile phones? Hololens and that other company you've been talking about (I think) do it completely 3D and integrated with your environment very closely.
Nintendo won't do VR it unless it has an AR option, in my opinion. It's just the whole local multiplayer preference.The thing about AR is that it can potentially do both. The tech is very new and has big issues to overcome and very expensive, so I don't know about seeing it anytime soon.
The portable iteration of the NX in that other form really seemed to lend itself well to the whole idea. The portable wouldn't have the expectation of amazing visuals, like the 3DS the screen itself could be a tech-leap. Maybe the screen is transparent? Crazy talk unless we are talking a year out, maybe. Makes the whole removable controllers super meaningful. Anyway, Microsoft is publicly pouring millions into trying to make AR work with Hololens and its device is $3000 and has poor performance capabilities and a very limited field of view, so I'm skeptical about Nintendo being able to take the plunge very soon and especially of it being a key launch feature. (The VR stuff being more about making sure the underlying tech is capable for adding on later in my mind at least.)
@aaronsullivan Yeah, he is "slightly" over-hyped, possibly ADHD, but still... Like I said: I like his confidence. In a Twitter conversation he claims to have direct contacts at Nintendo, EA, Ubisoft and Activision and he will reveal himself soon enough. He has some videos that are text to speech. I asked him about it, and he said it is to protect his identity until the reveal.
Maybe sitting on all that lovely info and not being able to reveal himself is making him go crazy, and he does seem to be a bit smitten by Jack Nicholson in one of his most insane roles (besides One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest and The Shining) but it won't be long now, so we will see what's what pretty soon.
"that other company you've been talking about"
That would be Magic Leap...
And Kirk still thought that was lousy looking crap, he tried to persuade me to come over to the dark side with him, it was a pretty hefty discussion...
(one of my comments does contain some interesting videos about a new AR related tech called Interactive Dynamic Video, be sure to watch those)
@ThanosReXXX I wasn't a fan of that games video, not the one here, the other one, too much CoD:In Space, whatever it's called. Show me Pikmin 4 and Luigi's Mansion 3 leaks, then we'll talk. He did do a good job w/ that E3 mock up, but Id' rather he just spend is time looking for leaks, anybody can splice together some footage.
Good job embedding them all here too on your part.
@ThanosReXXX HNF so needs to lay off the caffeine, fancy schmancy videos don't impress me. And since when does Nintendo follow? I can't believe VR is a focus.
So, have you found your "Special" yet? Can't be VR or AR, that's so been there done that at this point.
I wish this website had more Gamescon coverage, Pushsquare is awash in it. Maybe if Nintneod had revealed NX we'd be hearing about some games this week.
Oh well, vacation soon, then next week maybe they'll announce the announcement, that has to be soon at least.
@rjejr Yeah, he needs to calm down, like I already said to @aaronsullivan in comment #87. But just imagine the possibilities if even half of what he claims is true. And he seems to be VERY sure of himself. More so than any other rumor monger that I have come across, so I'm just going to keep an eye on him just to see how it's going to pan out...
As for the games he showed in his mock-up: well, we already know what games will probably come from Nintendo themselves. This is obviously HNF's attempt to calm down the people that think that the NX isn't going to get third party support, so hence all the big games from them. And yes, the one in space is the new COD, but besides that there was the new Fifa, For Honor and the new Assassin's Creed.
Even if you don't like the games, it is important to stress the fact that if HNF is even half right, that the most important third parties (EA, Activision and Ubisoft) are bringing their big guns to the NX and no holds barred either, which in the larger scheme of things can only be considered a VERY good thing.
And then there's Dragon Quest X and the Kingdom Hearts rumor. Both games run on Unreal Engine 4 and require quite a bit of horsepower, especially Kingdom Hearts, so by now I'm getting more and more convinced that we're talking full blown home console experience here, and not some flimsy hybrid that would offer a great handheld but a rather underpowered console.
Although there could still be a twist to that tale too, because on NeoGAF they have just started to discuss my favorite NX related topic, the SCD's, again:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1263936
So apparently, it's relevant again...
And Nintendo isn't going to show jack sh** at the Gamescom, so why would we need more coverage of that? Zelda isn't even going to be playable there.
And Nintendo won't follow, because they may just combine VR with AR, and that would truly be the first thing that I would consider to be a new way to play. Besides the in my humble opinion quite brilliant Project Giant Robo idea that I described in the controller patent article...
@rjejr I'd like you to meet my newest most logical YouTube friend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4_tVFdg3LA
Besides leaning a bit too much on the EuroGamer/hybrid thing, he actually also has quite a few interesting points of view.
Don't focus too much on his voice, though. It kind of makes you wonder what his inspiration for his YouTube channel's name was, but in a bad way...
@rjejr Oh man, news is starting to trickle in and I should have made a little bet with you because (and see to it that you're seated firmly so you won't fall of your chair in utter astonishment... ) SCD's are truly a thing, as I suspected/hoped/predicted. When Nintendo Life reported on it last month, they said the patent was cleared for completion, but that still needed one final step to be taken.
Now, fees have been paid and the patent has been fully granted AS OF TODAY, meaning that it can go into production as a real life product if Nintendo wishes to do so. And I'm betting that's EXACTLY what they are going to do. Why else pay the extra fees to get it cleared? That doesn't have to be done if you just want to patent something to protect it from being copied by the competition, but this is a CONSIDERABLE step further...
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/08/16/nintendos-supplemental-computing-devices-for-game-consoles-patent-has-now-been-issuedgranted/
This then, is definitely how Nintendo will solve the "but the NX won't be powerful enough or won't be able to compete with future iterations of the other two consoles" debate. I'm feeling kind of giddy right now... (and like SMD64, our little friend HNF also claimed that the SCD's were going to be an actual thing, so one point for him as well)
I wonder how many more things I predicted will come true...
@ThanosReXXX "Kingdom Hearts"
Well that I believe. NX will get KH 3 for $60 when PS4 gets KH1.5, KH2.5 and KH2.8 in a $30 bundle.
FIFA is important, so is Madden, I've been saying that for years. And nobody will agree w/ me, except maybe Jax, but CoD doens't matter, even at $5Bil per year, those gamers already have those systems.
GCG needs to switch to caffienated, too much herbal tea. Somewhere between NHF and GCG there must be a normal guy. PE is close. Guess that's why SMD64 is well regarded, besides the theme music he seems normal.
SCDs (sounds like I need s hot of penicillin)
from the article you linked too:
"Whether this has anything to do with the NX is a mystery, but until the NX is revealed, we’ll just have to wait and see."
Maybe don't go patting yourself on the back too hard, might hurt yourself. And besides, still sounds like an N64 RAM pack to me, which we've already discussed for the handheld base, RAM for higher res. I just can' timagine Ntineod expecting casual gamers ot hook up an external power supply in their closettogive their home and portable consoles more oomph. What you said abut that other stuff not being Nintedo like, that's how I feel about this. Extra RAM in a handheld dock for TV out, that;s the extent of it. Which then means no home console, EG was right, we all lose.
bedtime.
@rjejr No no, you completely misunderstand. The Expansion Pak was a static add-on with no autonomous intelligence or operating devices. Nothing but the equivalent of putting an extra RAM module in your PC.
The SCD is an autonomous device with a CPU and a GPU and ON TOP OF THAT a whole bunch of extra RAM. Hence the name Supplemental Computing Device. It can compute stuff on its own.
And it sounds VERY Nintendo, because they would NEVER do what the other two are doing, making different versions of their consoles with more power. No, Nintendo will just let you keep your NX console and have a little box sat next to it to give it more power to make it future proof.
And don't see it as the big, bulky box that is displayed in the patent; that is just a schematic to make it clear how it works. Think of it more of something slightly bigger than those small portable hard disks from Western Digital:
http://www.cravingtech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/WD-My-Passport-Ultra-5.jpg
Probably only higher (thicker) like 1,5 times or 2 times but no more. That can contain all the innards needed, including a small fan. You would just connect that to the console as a throughput in between the console and your internet cable or Wi-fi dongle, because this is also meant to give extra power to other players over the web, so once it's connected, you'll never even notice it's there.
As for the games, the only point was that if they do come, then we can be sure that the NX console supports all the biggest game engines and has some power to make these games run. Which of these games will come doesn't matter, but even if it's only half of them, then it still proves my point. And For Honor from Ubisoft and COD as well were already once rumored because they mentioned cartridges in the application for all the different game media that the games would be published on.
Coinkidink? Methinks not...
It's going to happen. I'm not taking the conclusion that MyNintendoNews came to as a fact, since I am familiar with patent handlings and you don't clear a patent and then pay for it if you don't want to use it: you potentially already have to pay two times before that. Once to file the patent and then again to extend that patent. (which they have also already done with this one) And now they've paid the fees for the "cleared for completion" status, and that is a bit too much for a patent that you're not going to use. Trust me on this one.
@Captain_Gonru Yep. That or a couple of hamsters. Or if the treadmill is that big, a mini horse or a capybara...
@ThanosReXXX "The SCD is an autonomous device"
And that "Autonomous device" description is pretty much the death knell for that. As I've been saying for years all Nintendo has to do is not screw up marketing the NX like they did w /Wii U. And how they screwed up the Wii U was by promoting "asynchronous gameplay" or "asymmetrical gameplay" depending on were you look or ask.
They can't come out and say - "Ladies and gentleman, come buy an NX, it's better than the other too because it has a supplemental computing device, or SCD for short, behold the autonomous device that will make gaming great again."
Nintneod is a family first company, they can't sell home consoles or handhelds that require another computer hooked up to them to make gaming better. It needs to be simple, not complicated.
Now, you dind't like my docking idea, fine, I could accept this if the handheld component worked together with the home to make games better. But I don't see how they can sell a home, a handheld, and a computer box that needs to be hooked up to them. Not at launch anyway. Maybe later. As I just said in my long post to Jaxon that you were on, make the console first, add on accessories later. If this SCD comes out in 3 years as an add-on, I'm fine with it, like the Gamepad should have come out 2 years after the Wii U 2, but it can't be a requirement at launch, too complicated.
@rjejr Never said I didn't like your docking idea, it's just that a dock is connected to it being a hybrid, and it being a hybrid means that EuroGamer is right and that is just not what I think it's going to be.
There's going to be two separate devices; a handheld and a console.
And you still seem to misunderstand the SCD. Without it, we are essentially saying that the NX must either be a whole different kind of system or a WAY more powerful system if it is going to attract any other people that were already going to buy it anyway, being Nintendo fans.
I think that the SCD is a perfect way to future proof the console. And one of them wouldn't have to cost more than around a $100. And don't you think that this is a much better solution than having a PS4 or Xbox One and then having to consider buying a NEO or a Scorpio, two entirely new consoles, simply because they are more powerful than their predecessors?
And they aren't even going to do much more since games must run on all models, so the base models of the other two will still be leading, whereas the NX with an SCD or connected to an SCD via the internet could potentially offer a way more fluent and organic way of upgrading your games without you ever having to shell out several hundreds of dollars (or, reportedly even almost a $1000 for a Scorpio) for an entirely new console, making your old PS4 obsolete or relegated to the anteroom/basement closet?
No, I think you need to reconsider the pros instead of the cons. And if it actually becomes reality, you will probably even like it...
And agreed on accessories later, but that is also what I expect will happen to this: first we will get the base model and once the NEO is settled and the Scorpio is about to come out, SCD's will be available for the NX and third party developers can continue to publish games for it because it won't be lagging behind ever again...
@ThanosReXXX Well if they leave a little connector for an add-on a year or 2 later - I think the Gamepad has a few connectors that I haven't used and wonder about - well that's fine. All consoles should have ways to upgrade, Sony lets us put in new HDD, MS and Ntinedo external HDD, the N64 had a RAM pack, so if they want to add-on a thumbdrive w/ a CPU in it - later on - that's fine.
But that's not how I read SCD I guess. I guess that's my fault, I was focusing on the "Remote" component, similar to having a server in your closet streaming to all your TVs. And I do think at some point either MS or Sony will do that, 1 household gaming machine - like central air - that remotely streams to any screen - TV, tablet, PC monitor, phone - in the house. Maybe even out of the house over WiFi.
So if you just want to jack a thumbdrive into the NX home or handheld console somewhere down the road, that's fine. But if they unveil this diagram during the NX reveal to explain how i tall works, it's doomed.
Also, I still think they can sell both a handheld and a home, and sell a dock for the handheld. Some people woudl rather buy a handheld, so give them the option to output to the tv. Some people want TV only, give them that option. Though I still think out from the handheld via the home is the way to go, force people to buy both, but that makes no sense if they play the same games.
So...
NX Home - $299 1080p 5.1 surround 128GB storage Pro controller
NH Handheld - $199 480/520p stereo 32GB storage
NH Handheld TV-out Dock and charging cradle - $49 - 480/520p and stereo
That's a dumb dock, no SCD. If it had RAM it would be $99 output 1080p and 5.1 and then you really wouldn't need a home.
Every Nintneod game would play on both home and handheld, but CoD and the like would probably only play on Home. And while the glaring nightmare of marketing that jumps to the fore, XC only plays on New 3DS, not old, same for some of those classic games, so it could be done. Make NX Home games blue, make NH handheld games red, every red box - handheld - also plays on home. I picked red for handheld b/c its Ntinod color, every Ntineod game would play on every system, blue for NX Home only games, b/c blue is sad and you can't play it on the handheld.
So yeah, still hedging my bets, trying to make all of the rumours work together, it isn't easy, but I'm trying. Plus trying to make what I wont and don't want be true, makes it even more difficult.
@Captain_Gonru I like the treadmill idea. It's the NX evolution of the balance board. Though maybe more of a stepper. We could play Zelda Wild on it for all those times Link has to climb up mountains since they only gave him good ways to get down, not up. "open air", more like "open fall". And a Mario platformer would be great on a stepper. Run, Mario, run.
@rjejr "If it had RAM it would be $99 output 1080p and 5.1 and then you really wouldn't need a home."
And that right there is my whole problem with it. They could even put RAM, an extra CPU and a GPU in that dock, but the original games would still be the handheld versions, that would then be upgraded to display on the TV. That does not scream compatibility with engines to me nor does it compute to third party support because of them actually being happy with the hardware this time around, so on the one hand I can understand the dock being a good thing for handheld only gamers that would enjoy the novelty of playing these exact same games on TV, but on the other hand there's me and millions of other people that do not want a weaker, semi-home console experience. I want it all: full blown handheld and full blown home console.
And luckily, the signs that this is EXACTLY what is going to happen, grow stronger every day.
Although I'll keep the champagne bottle corked until September. First I have to find out where the hell Nvidia is moving into: automotive or gaming or both...
@rjejr Sorry to see that in the middle of my rant, I missed that you already offered 3 options, two of which dedicated systems.
But still, I don't think they want to muddy the waters that much, although a new twist on the Game Boy Player is one of your better ideas, in my opinion. But you know, we're talking about Nintendo here...
And don't worry about them showing any schematics or numbers during a presentation: that's more of a Sony thing.
And like I already said: schematics in patents are only to clearly show the innards and modes of operation. None of it is ever representative of the final design.
If they can put an entire Core i7 PC in a box no bigger than 3 DVD boxes stacked on top of each other, then they could easily make an SCD that is well over half that size.
Don't fight it, accept the truth and the power that it's going to bring to Nintendo's console...
The SCD solution will make it FAR easier and cheaper to upgrade than the other two. At least for the next 5 to 6 years to come.
Whatever any of the three companies is going to do after that time, isn't relevant in relation to NX, Scorpio or NEO, so isn't worth including in the discussion either...
@rjejr Maybe you will listen to PlayerEssence...
@rjejr And SMD64's latest:
Good one to make people see the logic of having hardware to support the complete, all out versions of the current game engines, and not watered down portable versions...
@ThanosReXXX I'm off for vacation, all of that will have to wait, see ya Monday, I don't do email on vacation. Let me know how Hot Chips goes, something has to give us a clue on way or another.
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