Following Eurogamer's report that we can expect to see a portable NX with detachable controllers based on Nvidia tech, the interwebs has gone crazy trying to imagine what it could look like. Just to refresh your memory, here's Eurogamer's basic mock-up based on its information from sources:
We've seen lots of attempts at fleshing this out to look like something resembling a final form factor. We have to say one of our favourite mock-ups is from the very talented NeoGAF user Pittree, who might possibly have summed up all of our hopes and dreams for the Nintendo NX to be revealed later this year ahead of its March 2017 launch. It seems to take the style and materials seen in the small white New Nintendo 3DS model, with some subtle tweaks. Let's take a look:
After getting a lot of praise for this original concept Pittree went away and worked on it further, adding in speakers and a design for detachable controllers. Here we can see the mock-up integrated with Nintendo's rather lovely "There's No Play Like It" branding featuring a different controller bolt-on. Might Just Dance Now be played in tablet form with one of the detachable controllers serving as a motion tracking device? It's also easy to imagine playing classic games in that mode, using NES and SNES-style controls.
Now we see how Zelda: Breath of the Wild might look on the Nintendo NX, followed by examples of how two player games might work.
While Pittree did a sterling job of showing how he thinks Nintendo NX might look, like so many concept mock-ups there are no shoulder buttons that we can see - unless those tiny nubs in a couple of images are meant to represent these. We find it had to believe the NX wouldn't feature these inputs, unless those controls become 'virtual' options on the screen. Time will tell.
NeoGAF did not disappoint with some truly bizarre mock-ups, too, including this Tingle themed NX which is positively terrifying:
Be sure to let us know what you think of this Nintendo NX mock-up with a comment below. Do you think it's on the money or a bit far fetched?
The top mock up looks almost exactly like a Wii U gamepad... I hope that's not what Nintendo actually does go for.
My main next gen console will never have so low-comfort controllers. If NX ends up being that uncomfortable, I'll skip it. I'm not playing thousands of hours over a 5-year span on a flat tablet-like controller.
The Wii U GamePad is just comfortable enough. If it had stayed the original design, without the rounded 'hills' on the back, and with the 3DS-like "circle pads", I would have not bought Wii U at launch. I would probably only have bought it down the line for MK8 and Splatoon, it would never have been my main console.
I'm liking this idea more and more each time I see it. I honestly hope that Nintendo is going with something like this now!
think this would be awesome if Nintendo does try this I can really see it working. I really want a new handheld but If I also get home console too it would be great to have both options. I haven't bought a home console since the Wii
sees Tingle, immediately stops there
@CreamyDream Get a PS4. Nintendo is all about those gimmicks, has been for over a decade now.
@Megumi_Sagano I'm in
I'm hoping Nintendo would opt for something more sturdy and comfortable than those horrendous 3DS analog nubs.
Top 1 is just a steamrolled Gamepad, that's no good.
The rest, well the tablet looks ok, nice thin bezel, but those things wafer controllers aren't going to cut it. The controllers aren't going to be wafer thin, that just nonsense, they'll be similar to the Wiimotes, they'll have slots on the side and the tablet will slide into them. There's no way you could do serious gaming on that thing. And Nintendo Tablet won't be that thin anyway, Tegra needs battery power, it will be more the thickness of a 2DS or 1 half of a 3DS. When it slides into the controllers it will feel weighty, not breakable, and kind of look like a raft. Which sounds ridiculous, I know, but that's the only way they'll get the size they need for the power they want and comfort.
A cross between this monstrosity
and this sleek machine
bringing it somewhere close to this
Wiiu mk2 highly unlikely
I don't like these designs at all, from both an aesthetic and comfort point of vue. The NX would need a killer lineup of games for me to buy it with a controller that's just a tablet with detachable parts.
Honestly it just needs to rip off the Vita (in look) and be sleek, small, and powerful.
NX - Tingle Edition
All I want is that if it has a d-pad, that it's located a bit higher like the Wii U Gamepad rather than lower like the 3DS or Wii U Pro Controller.
I'm just glad it isn't just a dull souped up bog standard console. We already have 2 of those out there, let's have something different for variety's sake.
The only thing I hate about this concept, is the fact that there is no shoulder button and more specifically ''triggers''. This also means no GameCube virtual console and less precise input for a game like F-Zero
Although I have to give credit to all the work and thought that went into the design, I absolutely hate the look of it. So kudos for the work, but I wouldn't even touch that with a ten foot pole if that is the final design. Luckily it's only a mock-up...
It's not ergonomic at all as far as the controllers are concerned, it will not enthuse third parties to put their games on it, it isn't anything new or revolutionary that would warrant Nintendo to keep such a close lid on it for fear of it being stolen by other parties and the design and the idea in and of itself is WAY too similar to the Wii U, so this is NOT going to be "the" NX since that is supposed to be a COMPLETE departure of the Wii/Wii U family as mr. Kimishima himself has explicitly stated on several occasions. It could be a successor to the 3DS, but nothing more than that.
It also lacks a lot of information like on how VR/AR is incorporated:
Remember: Miyamoto said they had the tech in-house...
The EuroGamer "confirmed" news has already been completely and professionally debunked by both SuperMetalDave64 and PlayerEssence. And Dave is an IT tech guy, so at least he knows what he's talking about hardware-wise, he's not just slamming EuroGamer because he doesn't agree, and neither is PlayerEssence.
But judge for yourselves...
SuperMetalDave64 on the EuroGamer rumor
(because that's what it is until confirmed by Nintendo):
And on how AMD tech could provide for streaming games to portable:
And here is PlayerEssence's two part EuroGamer debunk video:
The tingle one looks promising. Would definitely buy that.
It's like a commenter underneath the SMD64 video said:
Why do all mock ups put the start and select buttons in ridiculous positions...
They look awful. I think you're thinking about this all wrong. Possibly even right down to its shape.
If we have digital triggers again, I will be so disappointed.
Assuming these horrible rumours are true, nobody seems concerned about how the controllers will connect to the tablet. The mechanism is going to have to be incredibly robust and strong and simple.
If we have to turn dials to tighten the controllers onto the sides similar to how extra batteries worked with mini disc players, that's going to suck.
If they clip in with little magnets, that's not going to be strong enough. If they slide in, thats not going to be strong enough.
I can't think of a connection mechanism that would be sturdy enough at a reasonable price for Nintendo to manufacture. And keeping the device relatively nice looking if that's a concern for them.
I can just see the controllers getting snapped off incredibly easily unless the connection is extremely secure.
Plus, are we really going to have 3 different batteries in this thing? One in the screen and two for each sides of the controller.
Why Tingle is always played like a terrifying monstrosity, I'll never know.
Yes, I'm European, but this doesn't mean the guy has some appeal to me either. I don't get all the hate. He's a quirky dude, and that's it.
" there are no shoulder buttons that we can see "
But there's one image that specifically shows the top of the device to show all 4 shoulder buttons? Two of which are mouse style scrollwheels as also rumoured, which I still think is a fantastic idea. Whatever the NX ends up being, scroll wheel shoulder buttons would be a fantastic idea.
This is all so wrong lol. Well all be kicking ourselves (happily so I might add) when the final design gets announced.
@ThanosReXXX I sincerely hope you're right. I want to support Nintendo, but I unequivocally refuse to buy the NX as advertised these past few days. As someone that'll be a father in the near future, my days of buying two or more consoles per generation is gone. The console maker whose hardware will support the greater variety of title will get my money.
LOL for Tingle.... XD
One of the weirdest Nintendo mascot.
The guy has done a commendable job with his mock up but if that's what it looks like ,I definitely won't be buying it.It looks absolutely horrendous to use,no D-pad,no triggers ,circle pads ,bad ergonomics,tiny pads that will get lost down the back of couches and beyond. Good job this isn't what it'll look like though and I will certainly be buying it.
@A01 The scroll wheels have already been debunked months ago, but this is only a mock up, so artistic freedom and all that...
@JohnGrey Well, whatever will come of the EuroGamer "confirmed" device, rest assured it will not be the only one and there will more than likely be something for everyone. I'm quite confident that this will be the case.
I'll publicly eat humble pie here on NLife if that isn't true, but for now, I'll stick to my guns. Logic dictates it.
I don't like the concept so whatever design it takes is not going to excite me. I'm just waiting for Nintendo to reveal the real nx
I don't see how anything could have been debunked or confirmed since Nintendo has said absolutely nothing. And until they do everything is a rumour that can be neither confirmed nor debunked.
Weren't Eurogamer the ones who 'confirmed' what chipset the (then unnamed) 3DS would have in 2010 or so, (also Tegra I think), then were proven completely wrong a short while later? They claimed to be sure and well-informed back then, too, same as now.
I assumed these rumours had been debunked, so why are Nintendo Life giving fanfare to 'these' designs? They're nothing we haven't seen before. Just a funny take on the Wii U gamepad.
I really hope it's something like that first one, just a little more comfortable-looking. I guess I'm in the minority here but I really think the NX just needs to be a Wii U with a portable gamepad (obviously with updated hardware, etc.) I don't see the point in having two little detachable controllers...
@A01 I like your battery and hinge comments. Been working on the "hinge" for the past few days in my head, no eureka moments yet, only that it needs to be sturdy, like a thick metal stylus dropped in, like a door hinge. But the battery had never occurred to me, except that the tablet won't be "tablet" thin b/c it will be 2DS thick to house the battery. I thought the attachment controllers would just run off of that battery but not if they are detached for multiplayer, which honestly I don't see happening. They could have built in rechargeables though, that charge while the tablet is in the TV dock every night.
You give any thought to NFC? I think the tablet will have 1, which means we'll need a new Pro controller with it built in while it's in the base to play on TV. I don't think they'll put 1 in every detachable controller, that's too many NFC chips. Similar to your battery issues. 1 in the tablet, 1 in the Pro, which I'd hope they'll sell separatly w/ the base. I don't want to buy 3 handhelds w/ 3 TV bases for my kids, we only need 1 base.
@A01 The bars on the far-left and far-right look like sensors, similar to those on the GamePad and Wii Remotes.
@A01 @bogofet Usually things get "debunked" not by Ntinedo, but by the originators of the rumours, like this.
I'm not sure if that involves the scroll wheels, but I do recall them suffering a similar fate, who ever started the idea later admitted it wasn't a "leak", just bogus.
@bogofet @A01 Simple: the scroll wheels were part of the bogus controller mock-ups that so many people thought were real. They were part of a patent and were copied 1:1, which is never how patents work. I'll admit that partial functionality could be brought over from a patent to an actual design, but in order for a company to be able to do that, a patent needs to be cleared for completion and paid for, which the controller patent hasn't been.
The SCD patent has been cleared and paid for, but that's a different topic.
So, more than likely, controller debunked = scroll wheels debunked.
Just like that.
That's getting far too expensive with so many batteries.
I suppose a fixed non moving hinge would work. Strong metal loops with a strong metal rod to go in them, but how do you stop people losing the metal rod? Then what? They can't attach the controller sections to the screen?
I think the NFC will just be in the tablet/screen.
It doesn't need to be in a 'Pro' controller as well. The Wii U doesn't work that way and there are plenty of games that support Amiibo but you can use the Pro controller with, if you need to use an amiibo then, you get up and take the amiibo to the gamepad (which is probably charging).
They'll just go that route I think. They'll keep it as cheap as possible to manufacture, which means as few batteries and NFC chips as possible.
@CB85 Exactly. And here's the proof of that: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ds2-vs-psp2-article
And here's the ACTUAL chip set:
And take note of how EuroGamer used the exact same confident statements then as they are doing now, they were also so very sure about the hardware inside the 3DS and went full-on explaining what to expect from the hardware and what not.
They never ate their own words afterwards, so expect them to just remain silent again if this latest rumor is also false speculation...
@A01 "The Wii U doesn't work that way"
No, it doesn't, but when we play amiibo games on our Wii U they expect us to be playing w/ the Gamepad. I know it has lousy battery life, which is why I always sit next to an outlet w/ the GMaepad plugged in. But, and this is a big important but, b/c its all about that base, every time we play on the TV the tablet needs to be in the dock. The dock needs to be plugged into the TV w/ a HDMI cable. Most people will have that dock near the TV b/c of this. They can't possible expect us to get up and down every single time we want to scan in an amiibo, that's absurd. There needs to be a real controller for people like me who will never take the tablet out of the dock, just leave it there forever, and game on a different controller. So that controller needs NFC. If that other controller doesn't have NFC the whole amiibo thing is a bust. NX is not the Wii U.
I find myself oddly intrigued and cautiously optimistic about this. If this is what NX is going for, I think it could be really interesting. My one area of concern is ergonomics. My hands cramp after playing 3DS for more than an hour at a time. I don't do well with flat controllers. Even using a SNES controller which is pretty poor in ergonomics, my hands hurt after 2 or 3 hours. Other than that, I think NX could be something cool if it follows these concepts.
@ThanosReXXX Wait, what? And you're only telling us this now? You just had to go to work on Tuesday didn't you.
Exactly. And here's the proof of that: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ds2-vs-psp2-article
And here's the ACTUAL chip set:
OK, I'm done here. Done with all of it. No mas even.
Can anyone argue against this article
Please Nintendo. NO CIRCLE PADS, JUST NO! We need proper sticks!
Oh my goodness, those controllers are TINY. How can anyone play games on that thing? I could snap those controllers in two with no effort at all. They're like little biscuits.
I think this is showing the problems with this whole concept.
@ThanosReXXX #20: While I'm not buying these or any other rumors, but the list is flawed. Besides conflicts with other rumors:
1) Nintendo said it would never develop mobile phones and Myamoto said they weren't working on a 3DS revision, right before XL being announced, they said they would take care of the droughts, etc...
2) "3rd party" doesn't means "AAA multiplats", 3DS receives a good amount of them and with a mobile chip, it should be easy for mobile developers to develop for them, like Konami.
3) OSVR used Nintendo as a example of "closed platform for VR" similar to Apple is to smartphones, and says "we're like Android". Assuming they know anything, this means NX have a proprietary VR (which could be a cardbox-like for all we know), not that it runs OSVR.
One thing I really doubt though is Nintendo making a console powerhouse, not in a mid-gen. People who care about multiplats already have something which runs them and are much more reliable (who can guarantee 3rd party will not launch it unoptimized, delayed and/or with DLCs missing? Principally after Wii U). Their target should be a secondary console or people who don't care about them - both most likely won't feel like paying 400 just for a few Nintendo games "in 1080p/60". And history proves majority of their client prefer price+portability over power, with handheld selling much better in every single generation.
@Megumi_Sagano I wish I had your foresight.
It just hit. If this rumour turns out to be true, with the tablet being playable as a handheld, I hope they use real, console style analog sticks and not the 3DS style sticks.
@RennanNT plus the NX will get lots of exclusive Japanese games. Vita in Japan has got lots of games instead of the 3DS because of the lack of power compared to the Vita.
These games will now be developed for the NX no doubt.
@ThanosReXXX Yes, that's what I meant exactly, thanks!
@A01 I've honestly been playing out this thing in my head over the past year or so now, probably more like 2 years, waiting for Ntinedo to abandon the home console market in favor of a 4DS w/ TV out, really thought New 3DS should have had TV out, and I always run into snag after snag after snag. Some I work out, some I don't. But once you get down to the nitty gritty implications rather than just ideas, issues do arise. Though I always figured if anybody could figure it out Ninteod could, somehow. They ain't afraid to try, that's for sure. Virtual boy, Power glove, that awful N64 controller.
@kobashi100 There's quite a few sentences in the article like this one: "Assuming it's based on the Tegra X1 processor" and "but that's pure speculation on our part". All is based on "elements of the story" of what they themselves have heard as "isolated rumours" that they were now both "suddenly" able to corroborate with multiple "reliable" sources.
they were supposedly also able to establish the form factor, which looks and smells WAY too much like a Wii U v2 to me, so this seems highly unlikely to me, in light of mr. Kimishima's explicit statements on that, saying that it's neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS.
And then they go on and rant about how this device is Nintendo's only option for success or they will fail and have to go third party altogether, both of which are utter nonsense of course. Smart people know not to count Nintendo out, ever. And they will NEVER put their IP's on actual console hardware of the competition. (I made that statement specifically so no one brings up the "but they have mobile games" point. They have those, but they will NEVER be a software publisher for Microsoft or Sony)
@RennanNT Watch the OSVR video I linked to. There's even a Nintendo logo in their presentation. That doesn't necessarily mean they are going to use it, but it strongly seems to hint at this being the tech that they have in-house like mr. Miyamoto mentioned.
@CB85 Glad to be of service...
@rjejr Thought you were out...
@ThanosReXXX Do you mean at 5:23 of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNzmEqV2kS8 ?
Because that's exactly what I was referring to.
@nab1 And further to that, bring back the octagonal gate for the analogue sticks.
Don't they get the idea that no one likes circle stick pro it's bad to handle and not as good as ps4 pad.
Those YouTube people are sucking your time away! Those people should write and they aren't really that compelling to me.
Anyway, I don't know what's right but those guys are just as right as these as far as we're privy to. Nintendo Life's Damo seemed pretty confident when they followed up with a source that Tegra chips were the way Nintendo was going. Not that he has to be right, but he's just as confident as the guys you're listening to.
This angle is worth thinking about and I think just as valid. One reason many are jumping on board is because it fits in so well with so many factors facing Nintendo.
You see people fighting it by grasping at straws like how can the controllers attach, as if no one has ever made solid devices with parts that attach and detach reliably. How can there be three batteries?
How could Nintendo release such an underpowered device!? Are we serious here? lol.
There are few serious arguments against this basic scenario that have held any weight with mine and I really want a nice solid performance competitive mostly traditional console from Nintendo this generation so I've been seeking.
So, those video which I will not watch all the way through (I skipped around and heard the part where MetalDave64 basically said, "these can't be true because it would fail" and decided not to waste my time on it).
What are the key facts from those videos that are so convincing to you?
@RennanNT The translation of the original article says this:
"Meanwhile, Pixart has been using 3D depth imaging technology for the position sensing of virtual reality (VR) applications, complemented with augmented reality (AR) concept implemented by popular smartphone app Pokemon Go. Investors are optimistic that Pixart can successfully be a part of the supply chain of Nintendo’s VR-supported Nintendo NX, which will be released next year."
"In respect of the popular VR market, Pixart joined Open Source Virtual Reality (OSVR) organization at the end of last year, estimating that finalized chip design can be completed before the end of this year and can be sent to the clients for authentication. Industry expects Pixart can smoothly enter the supply chain of Nintendo’s next generation VR-supported Nintendo NX. Investors are optimistic that the new Nintendo console will continue contributing to the popularity of Pokemon Go. Therefore, Pixart is listed as a concept stock."
That doesn't sound like they are not looking into it or not having it in their possession. Whether Nintendo's OS is a closed platform or not is not really relevant, since the VR software is Open Source, so anyone can use it, no matter on what platform.
as for the whole powerhouse thing: I personally am not saying that they are making some kind of PS NEO or Xbox Scorpio beater, but they would almost have to bend over backwards to come up with truly weak hardware, so at the very least it will be quite capable and considerably stronger than the Wii U, just like the competition is.
About Just Dance, when it comes to Nx, it will probably use the Wii Remotes still. The NES controllers are probably going to be usable on the Nx, but they require Wii Remotes to be used, so they're confirmed.
But if OSVR has no inside knowledge of Nintendo NX and they likely don't, they could say that using the same assumptions many were making about it. It's just PR speak as far as I can tell.
It's worth suggesting that the Tegra scenario has plenty of flexibility in the rumors to make at least playing on your TV better than Wii U. The performance on mobile is cooling restricted but maybe the base station can help with cooling or maybe we are talking the newer generation Tegra chip.
Whether Nintendo spills the beans or not we should at least know much more on the Nvidia front by the end of August when they reveal the next Tegra iteration.
Looking back at my previous post there are far too few smiles and winks in there. It's a bit strongly worded and I hope you know I'm not taking things too seriously, I respect your viewpoint and additions to the deciphering of the swirling mess of "knowledge" about the NX.
I still can't believe that a site like Nintendo life are giving this story the time of day.
It's a rumour based on old rumours at best...........based o sources that have been wrong time and time again about the NX.
The whole story/rumour/leak.....screams of a very controlled leak of info by Nintendo,to keep the hype levels up before their official NX reveal later this year.
I mean consider this,Nintendo have managed so far to keep pretty much every detail of the upcoming NX device/devices a secret up till now,which is around 8 months or so before release,so why this close to the possible Nintendo reveal do we get this new (not really new) information?.
The whole Eurogamer/Digital foundry articles contain no new rumour/speculation that has not been rumoured/leaked before....
This is pure hype by Nintendo to keep people talking about the NX before their official reveal.......and to be honest the sort of articles Eurogamer put out before the official reveals of both the 3DS and Wii U.
I am not surprised places like NeoGaf for swallowing all of this rubbish as they love all of these "Confirmed rumours by verified sources"...but surprised by people on here seeing this for anything more than it actually is.
Then again when this site seems to report all of this utter tosh, as a proper release of information by Nintendo,rather than another baseless rumour by mysterious unnamed sources,it's hardly a surprise is it?.
Woah woah...I like these but...where's the Dpad???
I can't handle this any more.
@aaronsullivan No worries, I've come to know you a little bit on here and I'm not offended in the least. And I don't mind a discussion and not coming to an agreement, but if you are going to address me on the matter, then at the very least please do me a favor and watch that video in it's entirety. Dave is a hardware/IT specialist like myself; takes one to know one, which is why I can relate to him so well. I've also been emailing back and forth with him for some time now, initially for me to test his knowledge, but currently just to get his points of view and such.
And he definitely knows what he is talking about, at least as far as the hardware and its capabilities are concerned. The fact that he is being slightly sarcastic at some points about EuroGamer (I wouldn't even go so far as to call it that, since he is quite down to earth and simply comes up with a lot of good points besides that tiny jab) should not deter you from considering the good points that he is making, so what I'm saying is to just ignore that statement if it bothers you, because the rest of the video is very well-argumented and makes a lot of sense, which the EuroGamer article and its follow ups do not.
in comment #43 I already showed their previous Nvidia mistake, and even though that doesn't mean that they are also wrong now (they did get the whole PS4 NEO rumor right after all) it at the very least shows that their track record is just as hit and miss as your average NeoGAF or Reddit leaker. Or your average YouTube blogger...
And I also already posted a link to when more details on the Tegra X2 will be revealed: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097641/hardware/nvidias-next-generation-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html
@aaronsullivan As far as OSVR is concerned:
Sentences like "Investors are optimistic that Pixart can successfully be a part of the supply chain of Nintendo’s VR-supported Nintendo NX, which will be released next year" and "Industry expects Pixart can smoothly enter the supply chain of Nintendo’s next generation VR-supported Nintendo NX" and "Therefore, Pixart is listed as a concept stock" don't sound like PR speak to me at all, but more like a strategic layout of plans and intentions. Admittedly, the translation is a bit wonky here and there, but the message comes across as far as I am concerned.
PR is nothing but empty marketing speak, and if anything, I should know: I'm an IT Sales & Marketing professional, so I've used my fair share of PR speak and empty phrases...
@ThanosReXXX These are just analyst speculations about Pixart's possibly making a huge deal. This isn't a document from Nintendo, not even from Pixart. And that same source even claimed NX didn't had VR before, so why should I believe a leak in a translation from a Chinatimes article?
And its not Nintendo OS, at least not the console's, its the VR platform. That image literally means their relation with VR is the same as Android with phones, unlike Apple with phones, Nintendo with VR and apples with oranges. They aren't implying anything about supporting NX. At best, they're throwing a hint, to build up hype from Nintendo fans (since all other platforms will have VR), without promising anything - Its far from saying they have a deal or even know NX at all.
Pixart IC being a part of NX and adhering to OSVR really doesn't dictate the rest of the chipset being used in the NX, in my opinion. The company can do both separately. There are plenty of dots connected based on outside information by the investors there. Something investors do in ignorant fashion all the time. Witness the Nintendo stock skyrocketing on Pokemon GO success.
I actually think this device as described, but with the newer Tegra chipset has a strong possibility to be VR enabled. Far more than a console that would need an additional expensive add-on device — I'm thinking costs of the base line compared to just getting a peripheral for the PS4 you already own, for instance. The removable controllers would be perfect for a head set that could latch on to the same connectors the controllers do and then the controllers could be used along with the headset. It's built for VR in that way and the rumors about delay due to VR which seemed a bit silly at first really start to fit well into this scenario where the next chip in quantity would be needed and worth the delay and cost given the proliferation of VR.
It's actually a much better value proposition than the other guys if the performance problems can be overcome. And I was unable to see a feasible way for Nintendo to compete in VR until this fell into place as a potential scenario.
I hope there's an XL model if that's what the NX is going to be, because those buttons are way too small.
Btw, your mock-up selection is so, so much better than the stuff these people put together.
My favorite is how the controllers in the article pictures have rounded edges when they need to and square when that would be better. Some sort of morphing plastic or something. lol.
@Bolt_Strike I'm with you. I keep imagining it bigger and comfortable for my own use where I don't care if it fits nicely in a smaller pocket, but then I realize it's probably going to start pretty dinky. Potentially the side controllers would be the only necessary part to be different which could help with giving some manufacturing flexibility. Here's hoping!
Hey, that way they could be like big pistol grip sides. They could really go for the less-portable/more-comfort angle if they were just add ons. Especially if you could still use small sides (if you are forced to buy it that way) as 2 additional controllers for 2 and 4-player set ups. Pretty dreamy take on things, though, I admit.
@RennanNT Because it supports the statement that Mr. Miyamoto made in which he said that they have the tech in-house and are looking into it. He did also say that they have not decided on using it, but either way it could be this tech.
And China Times is a Financial publication with lots of shareholder and stock stories, so it's not a leak but quotes from an article. Shareholders have a BIG say in company strategies, especially the larger shareholders, and Nintendo needs to keep theirs happy too, so if they want Nintendo to look into VR because the others are also doing that, then you can bet your bottom dollar that this is exactly what Nintendo will do.
Bleargh... circle pads. I hope the actual thing has analogue sticks, I´m so glad they put those on Wii U controllers instead circle pads.
So excited. And I'm actually for circle pads for mobility. Analogue sticks get stuck on pockets and whatnot. I suspect they won't just be a straight copy of the 3DS circle pads though.
I prefer the mock up made from a potato and a gherkin
@ThanosReXXX Here's the full quote:
"We're also researching VR, so we have the core technology. Long play sessions are an issue. We want to release something... ...that can be played for long periods, carries value, and is affordable. We want parents to feel at ease."
affordable definitively conflicts with a device that alone cost more than the Wii U and still requires a 3.49 teraflops console, which also costs much more than a Wii U.
@ThanosReXXX Thought you were out..
Though I'm going to sit back and watch you and Aaron discuss things for awhile, I have no use for VR and hope there's not a hint of it anywhere near the NX. AR, yes, Pokemon Radar (pre Go) on the 3DS was fun, but no isolating headsets. Kids today are isolated enough, they don't need to be locking themselves away inside VR on a mobile device. I'm ok w/ it at home, my basement is safe, but not on the go. And even at home it's a snack, not a meal, like Google's Wii Street U on Wii U. Remember that?
@aaronsullivan I addressed the OSVR/China Times thing in comment #77 and as far as the rest is concerned: minor individual shareholders go crazy, bigger ones that also have a say in companies generally do not. At least not if they're privy to development or strategy trajectories.
I've also looked into the possible options of the X1 and X2 a bit more and I must say that I HIGHLY doubt that it will make for a great console. A handheld would be the best bet indeed, but the performance yields of the X1 are only half that of the Xbox One, and the X2 is supposedly "only" 2 or 3 times as fast as it's older sibling, making the console that they are running on either a 512GFlop or 1,5TFlop machine at the very most, which is literally leagues behind the original PS4, and that would be utterly laughable, so my guess is that if this is true, we're looking at the handheld, NOT the home console.
And SuperMetalDave made a VERY good point that Nvidia hasn't got any semi-custom design wins registered or planned, and if their tech is used, it won't be a bog standard X1 or X2, so it would be a heavily modified one, as console chipsets always are.
Now, Nintendo's home console will obviously not be the most powerful, but THAT far behind will also not be an option. I'd say that they could easily make it a 4TFlop console, and still make it as affordable as a current gen competitor.
@RennanNT they would only have to look for some relatively cheap tech, which is abundantly available. OSVR itself is Open Source, so I'd say that is well within the ballpark of Nintendo's MO.
Ugghh, every rumour and mock up so fast for this system I hate, this isn't good news for me. What matters most is games though, and so far I am happy with the ones we know are coming.
I've said it already and I'll say it again: reveal the system already, Nintendo!
I don't like this at all.
The Wii U failed horribly in sales, are they seriously sticking with the second screen again?
Is this going to be the Wii U all over again? release 2 or 3 okay games that use the screen and then abandon it until the end of it's cycle? What's the point of a second screen if Nintendo already proved they can't make it work on a home console!
How about some NEW gimmicks instead of old already failed ones?!?!
I'm all for the dock station to the TV and using a normal controller like the Wii U Pro, but i'm not buying another Nintendo console to play on an uncomfortable tablet that has an useless second screen.
When i play home console games in my home, i want to watch the TV, not the controller!
@ThanosReXXX The original argument was "Nintendo is using OSVR" and "OSVR requires 3.49 teraflops" therefore "NX has 3.49+TF". If they use another tech for VR, the argument is void, as VR can get as low as only needing a phone (cardbox).
Quite honestly, the only way I see for an under $400 console+VR at this point, is this tablet rumor combined with a cardbox-like, any more than that isn't what Nintendo would call affordable.
@Luceus You do know that these are just mock-ups, right?
"The Wii U failed horribly in sales, are they seriously sticking with the second screen again?"
No. This proposed scenario is not sticking with the second screen again. The screen portion sits in the base station to play on the TV and the controllers become separate.
@RennanNT Not my arguments, just a list of points that I quoted from a comment underneath the SuperMetalDave video. I don't necessarily agree with all of them.
But imho, around 2 - 3TFlops is easily in the ballpark of affordable, and not all that unrealistic in specs. It's right in the middle of current gen and upcoming consoles like the Xbox One S and PS4 NEO, so that would be quite feasible.
There's a number of flaws there.
For starters, Nintendo never confirmed that the NX is a home console. Reggie gave a vague answer to a question in an interview that, based on the flow and order of the answer, could be interpreted as the NX being a home console. That's not an explicit confirmation. What Reggie says can't be taken at face value.
Secondly, Iwata said a couple years ago that they "weren't necessarily aiming for one device" (that's paraphrased). Technically, this hybrid is two devices - a handheld and a dock. Not only that, but Iwata was quoted as saying they had no plans to put their games on mobile. I wouldn't take Iwata's word as gospel.
@RennanNT For me, it isn't a given that they are going to use VR, especially in light of mr. Miyamoto saying that they are just looking into it, which is a long way from using it, but it could still be the tech that they will eventually go for. And maybe that is also another thing where the SCD's will come in: to provide more power towards things like VR.
But a decently powered home console as described in my previous comment is certainly possible for around the $300 mark, $350 tops.
At this point I'm with @rjejr. Can Nintendo PLEASE reveal the damn thing already?
@aaronsullivan "morphing plastic"
That must be the "Special" something.
I really don't like any of these, and the more I think about it the more I dislike the entire idea - though I realize you just said attachables have a well known history of functionality and I believe you.
Too bad I can't find a picture of the Gmaecube screen and GMaeboy player attached at the same time, that would really look like NX.
Compare those X2 speeds to Wii U and imagine it as a handheld first and foremost but also can be played on your TV and the value proposition of that to most people getting a second console besides PS4 (because for most that's what it will be) and not only does it make it a great value, but it makes the idea of making an underpowered same-as-the-others console from Nintendo seem like a much poorer choice.
As a console-only it looks terrible compared to PS4/XB1 but at this point anything Nintendo dares with a console-only is going to be the same as those (not exciting to console-only crowd) and pale horribly in comparison to NEO and Scorpio. It's a game Nintendo isn't really equipped to win at this point. Especially in terms of how their development of richer modern graphics has lagged.
This way lets them hit the middle with a better value proposition to a greater sized group in my estimation at least.
Believe me, I personally want a more traditional console for Nintendo's next run of games, but I don't think it would be successful really. Core gamers think that's what they want, but the price and the fact that they can already get the 3rd party games on their console gives it the same value problem... unless there are other tangible benefits like: I can take it with me everywhere. I can play vs. anywhere. I can still play on the TV.
That's the way I'm seeing this right now. I don't see how an expensive console in the vein of Wii U again where an additional feature needed to differentiate it is also going to split the cost with performance is going to help Nintendo. And if it doesn't have that differentiating feature, I'm not sure Nintendo games alone is enough.
@ThanosReXXX Certainly. The real question is if they will unify or not. If console continues separated from handheld, then PS4 specs or a little above is practically a given.
If they merge though, I imagine they will launch the best $199 console with mobile components possible and wait the tech be cheap enough to make a handheld for the same price (console would then get a price drop) or immediately do a handheld with a base, like this rumor.
@IceClimbers Here's Reggie's vague answer for you:
""From a Nintendo perspective, we clearly have strength here in the Americas, we have strength in Europe and we have strength in Japan. That isn’t necessarily true of some of our more direct competitors. We’ve also said publicly that we are already hard at work on our next home console and that’s another element we’ll be talking about much later.""
Slip of the tongue of Koei Tecmo, although it can be interpreted in several ways:
And then there are several sources stating that it is both, supporting the "Nintendo Shield Xtra" idea...
Edit: Oops! My bad. I typed this as soon as I saw that first image; and then I noticed the images below the first one in the article. So, yeah, that's basically what I was talking about.
I like it.
I do, however, feel that for the design to really work the two control areas would have to be identical, so if two people are holding one each there isn't a slightly unfair advantage to one player or the other. So, I might be inclined to put the four face buttons on both sides and simply have them act like a d-pad normally on the left side. Maybe replace the A, B, X, Y with little directional arrows on the left side too, but otherwise function exactly the same as the buttons. In a sense, it would be a bit more like the PlayStation's d-pad, with is almost separated direction "buttons":
And much like I did for the button/direction controls on the centre mock-up Wiimote controller in this old image (which can be used as either buttons or a d-pad):
Note: This is not me faulting his design, because he's just doing what you'd automatically expect; it's more me pointing out what I'd hope Nintendo would consider if it were to go with such a design were you can remove the control areas and use them as basically little Wiimotes.
@rjejr You are giving up on your idea. Nintendo has stolen your idea and you don't like it anymore? Don't sabotage your own success!
As far as connecting things, when they are smaller with less leverage it doesn't take as much to keep it solid. It is important to not be clunky which would take some elegant design, but I don't think it's a feasibility issue.
The fun part in all this is that it could be an abandoned idea that Nintendo floated to some people to see who was doing the leaks. It sure feels Nintendo, though. Look at the storm it whipped up. So Nintendo.
It's also possible that Nintendo is trying to lesson the controversial parts by getting it out early and letting the knee-jerk reaction subside so it can then reveal it and have people react to the best parts of it. It strikes me as the type of thing that makes much more sense once you see the final design.
Anyway, it's just about the point where we all chase each other in circles and we wait for weeks for something new, isn't it?
I just mentioned intentional leak. Here's a scenario: The overall narrative for NX was drifting towards PS4/XB1 clone and Nintendo put out some leaks to change the narrative before it got too out of hand.
Whether it's because it was getting close or setting people for disappointment I don't know, but how horrible would it have been if this was the actual announcement. Now there is much more doubt and consideration of different possibilities before the reveal. Perception control. I mean I hope Nintendo is savvy enough for that.
I doubt Nx is handheld.
Clean, but awful design from a gaming standpoint.
Ah come on, some random guy draws a few uninspired mockups that look like a mix of N3DS and Wii U Gamepad and this is worth writing an article about it? Really?
Next time I draw some meaningless sketch I'll make sure to send it to NL...
@aaronsullivan It's not about them winning, but about them walking a different road, away from the whole Wii/Wii U debacle. Making yet another underpowered console, whether it is a combined home and handheld or not, is besides the point.
Nowadays, a console at 2 - 3TFlops is achievable at Wii U prices, so if people were willing to pay that, they can now get a considerably more powerful console for the same amount of money.
And having looked into it in more detail now, I have to agree with someone who reacted to me who said that the Shield really isn't all that powerful, so they wouldn''t be anywhere near the middle, but scraping the bottom of the barrel, and that wouldn't be good for both the home and handheld console division.
Unless they truly DO have something VERY unique that still hasn't leaked yet and which is the thing that they are so scared of losing to the competition about.
Good point on the perception control (crowd control?). As it so happens, I was reading up on that in another forum and it sounded to me like a thing that the Nintendo Ninja's would do. If I remember correctly, it was a strategy used more often back in the day, also at Sega, especially to cloud perception of the competition as well.
I do want to see your take on why they would go for a kind of Wii U 2 when they clearly stated that the NX environment/platform is a COMPLETE departure from the Wii U. Besides the concept art illustrating it, this whole concept smells like "Wii U done better" to me, and that is not what I'm waiting for, and I doubt it will be a hit with the consumer.
And, on my design you don't have to worry about shoulder buttons because you would have the triggers and "brake-grips" on each of the controllers. You pull the triggers with your index fingers, and squeeze/pull the brake-grips with the rest of your fingers:
The brake-grip would be much like Nintendo's recent controller Patent actually (but I got there first! lol):
Obviously Nintendo's design in the image above is way more bulky and elaborate than mine, but the basic premise is exactly the same: You pull a pressure sensitive and slightly force-resistant "brake-grip" along the handle of the controller with your fingers.
And, in my design your index finger is still free to pull that separate trigger button too.
Note: Also, don't confuse the specific shapes of these controllers with the specific functionality. The shape doesn't have to be exactly as it's shown here; it's the functionality that's more important.
@IceClimbers And agreed on the paraphrased "devices" but then again: I never said otherwise. I always said that it is not "THE" NX, but the NX platform, an ecosystem with several form factors.
@ThanosReXXX This isn't a Wii U 2 in any notable way is it?. I couldn't carry the GamePad more than 10 feet from my console. Second screen gaming is not an option in the scenario outlined in EuroGamer either. How is this a Wii U 2? I don't get it. You just mean because it has a screen in the middle or the controller? Like most portables? I'd say not needing a TV and not using discs and not using a second screen and targeting the 3DS crowd of consumers and developers means this is at least a complete departure from the Wii U.
@ThanosReXXX Fair enough. I think at this point I'm not sure what to think. As I said above, can Nintendo please the NX already?
@ThanosReXXX As for the perception control, I also follow Apple sometimes and they are good at this. They turned the uncontrollable rumor market into a nice place to selectively introduce information they don't want to officially announce yet but to still help set up expectations. They have intentionally "leaked" abandoned ideas to weed out informants in the past as well. Of course, leaks on Apple stuff are completely untamable. The minute Tim Cook "doubled down" on security of information the number of (accurate) leaks seemed to double. lol.
@rjejr "like Google's Wii Street U on Wii U. Remember that?"
Yes I do, it was indeed kind of a snack bite. But like previously mentioned in several older articles, when done right, VR and/or AR can really add to the experience.
And come on, I know you secretly kinda dug the Magic Leap. Who wouldn't want to see whales splashing around in their living room?
@IceClimbers Oh, indeed. And I guess you must have missed that somewhere along the line in one of the older articles, but I'm firmly in the same camp. So me and the grumpy old man already agreed on Nintendo needing to show something quite a while back.
But luckily, it's only one more month now. Unless the September reveal is also a rumor... (sorry, couldn't help myself there)
@aaronsullivan Well, I said "Wii U done better", which is exactly what this is: better screen, better range, detachable controls, multiple uses etc. etc.
@aaronsullivan "The overall narrative for NX was drifting towards PS4/XB1 clone and Nintendo put out some leaks to change the narrative before it got too out of hand."
Well that's pretty sneaky, I like it!! I really do. Of course I'd much prefer they just announce the #$%^$#@ but your way makes sense too, leak the thing to soften the blow. Like that swab the dentist gives you before jabbing you with the needle. Makes sense. Not 100% it's true but I like the idea.
And while it may be 1 of the dozen or so ideas I've had over the past few years - I'm wishy washy like a politician - I can't recall ever saying detachable controllers, that's really the only part I don't like. 3DS get's replaced by a 4DS, which also replaces the Wii U by docking it to the TV, maybe w/ a little extra pop in the stand. But I can't imagine any controller I'll like that attaches in 2 parts to a tablet. The tablet in my mind is a 2DS replacement. New 3DS XL is $199, 2DS is $79. Make 4DS $249 if need be bundled w/ the dock, but sell the Tablet for $79, which can either be used alone like a 2DS but also doubles as a controller for the 4DS. AKA a separate Gamepad but w/ WiFi so it's more useful. Maybe the tablet works like the Dreamcast VMU for Choa garden and AC:HHD partner games. It's a tablet game console for kids, and a 2nd screen smartglass for adults.
True, I did think about a detachable tablet, but I erased it from my mind when I saw this Wikipad, which is why I forgot.
I have decided if there are detachable controllers - and really it all sounds plausible despite my doubts - they'll connect sliding dovetail, so I've accepted it's doable.
@MrHaggi dude its a handheld.
it was always gonna be a handheld. nintendo always release handheld first.
3DS is near enough 6 years old and need replacing
@ThanosReXXX But Magic Leap is AR, not VR, I already said AR was cool, Hololens, Google Glass, 3DS, Vita, PSP, whatever, I just don't like the isolation of headsets, I game w/ my family, I need us all on a big screen tv.
@rjejr When we were discussing that removable center idea I even mentioned that you could take out the bottom of that U and have separated controls like the Wii remote and nunchuck. Man, I was close. Didn't think of having them be used by different people — wait, yes I did! Remember the romance-test? Perfect application of this new portable scenario.
@ThanosReXXX What you proposed (2~3TF) would also count as "Wii U done better". The WU had normal control layout (besides screen), power a little above last gen, it mostly dropped motion controls, its architecture was close to XB360 (at its conception, nobody knew Sony/MS would go x86). All of that to attract 3rd party AAA. It just failed miserably.
And is all about perception, this rumor could be masked as a "complete departure" as long as they don't market it as a console but as a tablet which is powerful, optimized for gaming and offer physical controls out-of-the-box which is also an easy-to-setup local multiplayer at anywhere. Even more if it plays all Android games.
@ThanosReXXX So, you are saying a console with everything the same but the controller doesn't have a screen this time is more of a "complete departure" from the Wii U than this scenario. I don't think we are going to agree on that.
Now all the kids can massage Tingle's feeties and have the time of their lives! Not only that, they can also see what man-boobs and hairy legs look like for the first time! It will sell like hot cakes!
There's no play like it.
@XandBosch in general looks perhaps but as an avid JRPG gamer and Vita owner and I can tell you: that thing is DAMN uncomfortable for long sessions.
In times like this, I always think of Iwata: '[it] is true that there are some Internet sites and certain media who have written stories about Nintendo as if they were official when, in reality, they did not come from any official sources such as interviews or announcements, nor were they confirmed by the company'.
@rjejr Yeah, I know Magic Leap is AR, but you mentioned both VR & AR in the comment I responded to, so I also mentioned it, and also because it was at one time rumored that Nintendo would do a combination of the two to make it even more immersive. Like Pokemon GO but all around you and add to that the haptic technology I linked to a few weeks ago based on sound and air for tactile response. If you don't remember, I'll look it up for you.
@RennanNT making a higher spec console would not also count as Wii U done better. That would simply count as a better console in general. A console that looks like a Wii U and has the same functionalities as the Wii U but adds some stuff to it and improves upon the stuff that was already offered by the Wii U is. It is impossible to confuse the two in my honest opinion.
That would be like saying that the PS4 is also the Wii U done better...
@aaronsullivan "I don't think we are going to agree on that"
Well, if you interpret that exactly as I meant it, then you actually should agree with me, because I'm right. There's no if's, and's or but's about it.
Like I have already said to others: it looks like a Wii U, has the same functionalities only better, and adds some new things to it, like REALLY being able to take it with you, instead of only 10 meters away from your TV, and it apparently having its own computing power. Other than that, it's nothing new.
The complete departure from that would indeed mean either a "normal" console again, or something truly never seen before. And since Nvidia has already shown and used the tech with the Shield, this version of the NX doesn't tick that box, like not at ALL.
I only mean that in comparison to the Wii U, NOT in comparison to other consoles, just in case.
Then again: you could be right and it could just be them damn Nintendo Ninjas spreading misinformation on purpose...
Pretty terrible. I would hate it if the face buttons were directly below the circle pads. It would lead to awkward hand position changes when switching between the analogue and the buttons.
Curiously, the original E3 2011 Wii U GamePad had the circle pads directly above the buttons. I'm glad they put actual analogue sticks in AND put the sticks at an angle to the buttons.
The face buttons would never be that low on the actual device just so speakers could be in the middle. The speakers would be below the buttons, allowing them to be higher up
Most likely, NX will be like a Wii U gamepad- comfortable to hold, nice big screen, but portable.
And if it has detachable controllers, it'll probably just be as an optional way to play on the go. If you don't wanna hold the device like a handheld, you can prop it up on a table, detach the sides and bam- instant controllers to sit back and play a little more comfortably.
And for home tv play, I'd be shocked if they didn't sell a pro controller of some sort.
So you get 3 ways to play
1) handheld- holding device itself
2) tablet- propped up with detachable controllers- not as good as a real controller but more relaxed than holding as a handheld
3) TV- docked and uses a pro controller
It's really time to blow the lid off this thing. Don't they learn from the WiiU mistake. Nobody even knew WiiU was a new console
@ThanosReXXX Its not just making it higher spec. You're proposing something a little above PS4 when Sony is about to launch PS4Neo. With this and all I said earlier, we would see again 3rd party support for a few months until they abandon it again. Do you really believe people will not immediately think "underpowered and without 3rd party, its the wii u all over again"?
Also PS4 remote play with Vita IS a Wii U done better ("gamepad" sold separately which plays its own game and can stream outside home). But you don't see it like this, because in your perception PS4 is a console and RP is an extra. If your perception is that this is a tablet/handheld and TV out is an extra, you wouldn't see this as Wii U 2 neither.
Well, let's hope. We won't know anything for sure until they announce it officially. I must say that I am still excited about the NX and the launch lineup.
@RennanNT Well, PS4 Remote Play is indeed factually an extra, it's not just that I would see it like this, even though I never mentioned it in our discussion: I meant just the PS4 by itself as supposedly being a Wii U done better, but I do happen to think that Remote Play is different since you would need to buy the PS Vita separately and this supposed NX concept already has that out of the box without the extra cost of having to buy a rather expensive handheld console.
Let's say I'm the owner of a PS4 but I have no interest in Vita games whatsoever, but I would still like to have some remote play options for my PS4 games. Then I would still have to buy a handheld that I have zero interest in, only to be able to use it as a remote for my PS4. How could you not see that as extra in comparison with this Nintendo NX concept? It's clear as day.
And yes, I do believe that if they go with just this concept, that a lot of people won't even bother, because they will be biased into thinking the Wii U thing. And obviously we as fans would buy it, or at least some of us, since there's already a lot of people on here and other Nintendo related sites that aren't happy with this at all, so I am really wondering how well it would do if this is truly all it is.
And if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well...
It would be great if you could flip the screen upside down or at least switch the controllers from left to right so you could mimic the Virtual Boy's controls.
People are always bashing Nintendo hardware though. Wii got bashed. Wii U got bashed. The 3DS got bashed. So that's normal. People just like to bash.
But honestly, this is about the best idea I've seen, ever, for a video game platform. Seriously powerful handheld for console-level graphics on the go, props up like a tablet and has built in detachable controllers so you don't have to tote a Pro Controller in your back pocket if you wanna have some more relaxed play out and about, and if they sell a pro controller for TV use then it's perfect.
So I wouldn't label it as "all it is". I mean, PS4, "all it is" is a console with controller. 3DS, "all it is" is a handheld. NX "all it is" is a super powerful handheld that also works as a console that also has built in detachable controllers for on the go. I mean, it's a video game platform. That's all it is. But a multi-functional device of this caliber? Well, that would be pretty awesome to own, no?
@ThanosReXXX Again, you're saying this because your perception of this rumor is a "home console which gonr portable" instead of "handheld you can plug on TV and use normal controllers".
If the base is sold separately we would have the same situation: People buying Sony consoles and Nintendo handhelds, and those few who want PS4 games portable and Nintendo games on TV with pro controllers in the future can buy the extra, though their experience is limited (one requires internet the other doesn't have top graphics).
@JaxonH I'm not saying it's bad per se, I just can't imagine that it will only be this one device, what with all the official and semi-official info we have been getting over the years. And as a handheld, it would be the most powerful ever made, which is what I have already stated yesterday in another comment, so no argument there, my friend.
But the problem is, that people are taking statements like Kimishima made seriously, so if he says "NX is not another Wii U" or "not a successor to Wii U" but it visually looks like it anyway, then you know full well that both a lot of media as well as a lot of consumers will say "well, that's just Wii U 2, it will probably suck."
They will say that without any knowledge or effort to dive into the information and specs, let alone try a few games to see if it is really all that bad. Indeed like you say: people like to bash. And that is because being negative is easy, especially in today's world.
I am really, REALLY glad that it's only one more month, because like @rjejr, @aaronsullivan, @Captain_Gonru and @IceClimbers, I'm SO bloody tired of waiting and having to consume rumor upon rumor upon rumor without even a droplet of official news.
And between yesterday evening and today, I have made more comments and replies than in the last two months, all because we either can't see each other's points or because there's just too much to say about some topics. I'm seriously thinking of taking a break again and just sitting back and only reading comments without commenting, because like now, it is taking over my entire evening, which certainly wasn't what I had planned, but I also don't want to have a massive back log of messages, like @rjejr sometimes has. Anyway, good points and like I said, I would welcome "the most powerful handheld ever" with open arms.
But I would also like a future proof home console and a long term success for Nintendo instead of yet another failure.
I hope that is not too much to ask for...
I FEEL PHYSICAL PAIN
@RennanNT No, you misunderstand. And we were talking about PS Remote Play, so now you are moving the goal posts, if ever so slightly.
Like I just said to my man @JaxonH, commenting is taking over my evening, which I'm kind of annoyed about, so this will be my last reply to you, nothing personal and no offense meant, just a bit tired of being bombarded by 5 people all at the same time across 3 different topics.
My "perception" of the NX is not what you just described. My opinion on it is that this can't be the only device so this could be the handheld with an added functionality (the dock) that allows you to play it on the TV. But I'm also expecting multiple form factors/devices, so also a full blown home console without all these gimmicks and doohickeys.
And I'm a Sales & Marketing professional, so gauging customer interest and impact is my job. The perception of a hell of a whole lot of people, provided it isn't going to look radically different from all these concept pictures, is going to be that it is another kind of Wii U, and with the bad taste of that still in a lot of people's minds it IS factually going to impact sales in a negative way.
Now, if it is going to look decidedly different, making it indeed easily distinguishable from the Wii U branding, then it is an entirely different story.
Well, that's it for me, but thanks for an interesting discussion. (honestly, no sarcasm intended)
@ThanosReXXX No offense taken. Maybe the problem was that I was talking about the concept not those mockup, it definitely shouldn't look similar to the gamepad (maybe its time to revive the gameboy brand, after PKMN GO)... Anyway, I will stop here too. Great to discuss with you. Have a good night!
I really like this concept, but I want a Pro controller packed in...
@shani Spot on...
I really don't like the designs. I really hope it's nothing like we've seen.
I expect though, it could be very similar.
Multiple sets of hardware using the same chips/internals.
One being a tablet,
One being a handheld (probably more akin to a Vita than a DS - as to not complicate things with 2 screens)
These could then connect to a home console/hub/docking station/supplemental computing device to make the graphics better/play on the TV.
Detatchable controllers? That sounds nasty. Perhaps they just mean you can 'attach' a new controller through blue tooth (or whatever) - and each bit of hardware comes with its own peripheral to best hold the screen while playing.
That controller split is crap! Really hope thats just a rumour!!! Both Vita and 3DS had awful probs due to lack of buttons! 3DS tried (and failed) to rectify it first with that ridiculous Circle Pad Pro , then with that stupid nub BUT Vita (even after a hardware revision) is still 4 BUTTONS TOO SHORT((!!!???!!!) (completely unacceptable - four shoulder buttons and R3/L3 have been INDUSTRY STANDARD for almost 20 years) for remote play! Really does ruin PS4 remote play experience for me!! Why should I be struggling to play because of downright stupid decisions from Sony!! Its oversight/bungling incompetence time after time after time! Ultimately, breaking the controls in half is fine ... if you playing old Snes games on a tablet etc ... Its absolute crap for modern gaming. How r u supposed to play 2 player CoD with ONLY ONE control stick and 4 buttons!!!!
Well, I could be wrong, but I think the future of Nintendo home consoles lies in a future of Nintendo portable devices ("handhelds, if you will) with either streaming or docking technology.
They just haven't been able to obtain and maintain a significant portion of the home console market. Like Sony backing away from handhelds after Vita, I can definitely see Nintendo backing away from home consoles after Wii U.
At least with Nintendo, They apparently plan to make an uber-powerful handheld that can also play on TV, so it's not like us home console gamers are being left completely out in the cold.
Amd, let's face it. Zelda Breath of the Wild, Pikmin 4, Beyond Good & Evil 2... These games are gonna look freaking brilliant on an NX handheld. It's gonna LOOK better than PS4 games by being on a smaller screen.
I really like this idea alot. I will be first in line to get one lol.
@aaronsullivan "Remember the romance-test? "
Oh yeah, I remember that now, I think I needed to go take a cold shower after thinking about it.
And for men who don't have a partner they can take the "romance" test with this, b/c between :50 and 1:15 there's only 1 thing this can be measuring.
@JaxonH "Beyond Good & Evil 2..."
You forgot Half Life 3.
Seriously though, I've been waiting for BG&E2 forever and would probably have to buy any console it was on. Well unless it's MS, we're still Xboxen free.
Did you watch Alex's video? He's almost as happy and excited as you. It's getting hard to tell the difference between negativity for all the rumours, or should I say 1 rumour generating 10 articles, negativity towards Ntinedo's silence, and negativity towards this potentially being NX. Sure some people wouldn't like this, but it's been a long wait since Iwata said NX 18 months ago, the long term deafening silence may be starting to boil over as MArch draws near. I think it's been relatively well received though, all things considered.
@fluggy Yeah, how can any game play with less than 12 or 14 buttons?! Ridiculous! It's like how can a developer think of ways to make a game more intuitive than that, it's impossible!
You are being sarcastic right? I'm playing along with your sarcasm, right?
@ThanosReXXX I was feeling like letting you off the hook a couple times as I saw all the other replies to you. If I was a better person I would have. You deserve a break! Take it easy. Stay away from those YouTube people, though.
Ha! Found your cryptonite.
I believe it's coming as NX launch title. They showed it, then this past e3 they reconfirmed it's still coming but they can't talk about it. Makes sense if it's NX exclusive.
I like that this rumored model has two analog sticks. Once the inevitable Monster Hunter entry comes out for NX, I won't have to rely on the laptop nipple any longer!
I want it
@JaxonH "it's still coming but they can't talk about it"
B/c I didn't have enough reasons for Nitneod to tell us about NX, now you are giving me more. 'night Jax
I hope not, those analogs are terribly uncomfortable on the 3DS, I won't buy a console with them. Maybe if they are truly detachable we will have both options, but they better package the real analog sticks with the console cause I won't buy it if I have to buy them separate.
This just doesn't make sense though, think about how bulky and heavy the wiiu gamepad is, and then factor in two removable controllers. The controllers would have to be tiny and totally unusable if this is to be the actual layout. I think everyone is clutching at straws that simply are not there. if anything it will be closer to a wiiu gamepad but with a cartridge slot and as with the wiiu you will be able to purchase a normal gamepad to use with the console dock for tv play.
This could actually work, they just need to make sure the hinges are sturdy en—WHY WOULD YOU POST THAT TINGLE FANART!?!
We're not talking about "any game". We're talking about a home console with a 6 year life cycle and full 3D games! There's a reason why Xbox and PS4 controllers "DONT" look like SNES pads. . . They have no place anymore in modern gaming!
Please God of videogame, please let this rumour be just hogwash. Not a new concept, designs look mighty uncomfortable...
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Omg I thought I was alone about loving analogues having octagonal gates. It made Monkey Ball much more playable on the GC.
It is going to be odd playing a Nintendo handheld without a second screen.
I do not see how "it" can be more powerful than Wii U. May be "base station" will add some power? Looks odd.
I love how people are commenting as though these are genuine mockups.
"Why Nintendo, why???????"
@rjejr it needs the third wing to resemble a N64 controller LOL
@Danrenfroe2016 "it needs the third wing to resemble a N64 controller LOL"
I'm sorry to say I've posted so much in here I'm not really sure which post you are referring too. If you mean the wood joint pic, well nothing should ever be created that resembles that N64 controller ever again, but I think a 3rd wing would make it look like a Tie-Fighter myself. If you are talking about adding a wing to the Eleven Band, well that's probably an optional add-on.
@fluggy Oh. So... not sarcasm then. Okay. To each his own, I guess.
Check out the NEO controller. I think you're gonnaluvit!
@XandBosch screw PS4 I'm getting Neo n.<
@eeyore X1 is more powerful than Wii U so X2 is gonna leapfrog it likely min 2.0 TF
@SetupDisk welcome to the Gameboy
The top one is a prototype GamePad, with slightly adjusted colours.
Lol: The Tingle-one must be real!!
@JaxonH I certainly agree with the handheld part of the picture that you paint. It would be the most powerful handheld ever, a first for Nintendo, which would be great. I just can't wrap my head around some parts of what several Nintendo big wigs have said and I see no definitive uniqueness that warrants secrecy or protecting from the competition.
Luckily it is only one more month, unless they decide to let something spill around Gamescom on the 20th...
@aaronsullivan I am already over it, but that evening, it was really starting to get ridiculous: I would answer one comment, and then when the page refreshed, another 3 or even 5 would pop up, so I spent almost the entire evening replying to several people across several articles.
But as far as "staying away from those YouTube people" goes: I'm not hanging around any crazy conspiratorial idiots. Dave has proven himself to me in private emails in which I tested him on his hardware knowledge. In fact: he knows more about it than me, and my knowledge on the topic is already considerable but since I'm "only" in Sales & Marketing, it is not always necessary for me to dive into the technical side of things that often.
For me it's more a personal interest kind of thing. A hobby, if you will. And his videos are very matter of fact, he delivers his message in a relaxed, non-sensationalist manner, and he offers believable theories, contrary to the majority of Nintendo vloggers, that jump on every rumor and run with it, such as the totally destroyed fake, 3D printed controller rumor months ago.
@HSuzumiyaVI Yeah... old news, even got the E3 reveal wrong, but it was indeed already known back then that Nintendo was rumored to partner with Nvidia. Guess we'll find out soon enough what's what...
@ThanosReXXX On the YouTube videos: I was just jabbing you a bit. My reason for not listening to them is because it's so crazy time consuming and one-way, usually. I can read an article and start discussing it with others from different viewpoints to come up with so much more. YouTube videos take longer and usually have mindless drivel in their comments section or worse. That's my perception and preference anyway. You enjoy it, nothing wrong with that.
@aaronsullivan Ah, okay, guess I misread you there.
And I definitely agree on the comment sections of said videos, or actually of any YouTube video. The language used is sometimes so foul and disrespectful that it always makes me wonder what kind of upbringing (or lack thereof) these people must have had or what ill fate has befallen them to attack total strangers in such a way.
I also don't watch the longer videos, unless it's a really interesting topic, and in that case, it's mostly nothing game related.
As far as my channels of choice for Nintendo, PlayerEssence and SuperMetalDave64 hardly ever cross the 7 minute mark, and a lot of their videos are even shorter. They make a couple of videos each week, so all in all, watching them doesn't take more than an hour per week. I don't know if that translates to a lot in your book, but not in mine.
I usually watch them when I'm drinking my coffee after dinner, when there is nothing on TV or so, so it doesn't interfere with anything else that I might have planned.
And for general gaming news I watch The Know, a very entertaining channel, with a lot of presenters, so you see different faces doing the videos each week, and they are quite funny imho. I could easily recommend that channel to anyone. And they aren't really all that much into rumor monging; they just report news or react to articles, so it's safe to watch...
Here is my attempt
I'm hoping the NX is a hybrid that you can play on the go and then, when you get home, you plug a wireless adapter into the console counterpart of the NX, and the mobile part of the NX becomes a controller like the wii u game pad. A cartridge and a cd would come in every game case to use depending on if you're playing with the console or the mobile device.
Tap here to load 168 comments
Leave A Comment
Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment...