Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE is around a month away in the West, and Nintendo has the task of pitching the quirky Atlus-developed cross-over to a new audience. It's always appeared to be a bonkers title, though that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Nintendo of America has now started a new video series that aims to show all the hip kids why they should want this game, or something. It couldn't be more 'YouTube', from the "what's up internet?" intro to lines such as "I'm serious dude"; everything is literally the best thing ever.
Still, maybe the tone will hit the mark for many, as this grumpy 31 year old isn't exactly the target. In any case, the video does provide plenty of details and information on how the game works - for that alone it's well worth a watch.
As an extra bonus, here's our our 15 minute video addressing the key question around this game - 'what is it?'
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All I could picture was...
A game with womens dressed like this is for kids?(or did the localization team censored it?)
Can't watch, too many footage I didn't see and I don't want spoilers, but from the start... urgh... first video of this game I see that pulls me away from it ^^;
This video couldn't have been more annoying if Sonic the Hedgehog was narrating it.
But I'm buying the game regardless.
I'm sure the kids will go crazy for a niche JRPG with the Japanese entertainment industry as a background, definitely worth all the stupid, nonsensical changes they've been making.
... Bloody hell.
It's like they're trying to summon every single flavour of cringe known to man and distill it into one game...
They've seeming taken a collection of the most irritating tropes and cliches found in Japanese entertainment and tried to somehow 'balance it out' by smothering the most irritating tropes and cliches found in American entertainment over the top.
It's like a giant, sickly sweet Hello Kitty lollipop, covered in Smokin' Joe's Smooth 'n' Tasty BBQ sauce.
@Randomname19 yes they did, now she has pants!
@EllenJMiller Nintendo being Nintendo. Of course they're trying to appeal to children with this game, instead of, you know, the older Persona and FE fans who will actually buy it!
@Xaessya that was changed by the Japanese release btw
@Xaessya Funny enough myself and a few friends (some who are professional artist) actually prefer the one with pants. We found it more visually interesting and more aesthetically pleasing. That is personal preference and some may disagree with that assessment, but it is not a bad case of "censorship" because as I said a number of people I have talked to prefer it to the original.
One of them said and I quote "the Western design just looks more balanced. The Japanese design looks a bit busy and not all the interesting as the visual focal points are a bit over the place. The Western design looks cleaner, simpler and well as I said more balanced."
Every day I miss the Dj from jet set radio a little more
Here is a list of a few more changes.
https://0x0.st/qyY.jpg
@Wexter Also I like the pants more too.
@Randomname19 You can tell by its localized title just how censored the game is.
I am one of "teh kidz" this vid is likely aimed at. This video comes off as try-hard because when YouTubers say stuff like "ma boi", "What's up Internet" and the like, they are expressing their own personality. The character here ain't all bad, but he's annoying because he's in character even though people watching this stuff are fully aware of the fictional element. If the narrator was explaining the game, only being self-aware that this is a game and not a real situation, then he would come off as more genuine.
TL;DR: "So wack dawg, it's 2edgy5me"
@Xaessya We actually went over more of the changes and the common consensus was that the western changes were for the most part the "better designs". We also liked the tank top for Tsubasa as well as it tied the design together better. Though some of the changes we were scratching our heads over, but assumed it is probably more to due with wanting to hit a T rating because the ESRB is more strict on sexual content than CERO.
Overall this seems like a very solid job by Atlus/Nintendo shame about a few of the changes though... I dislike swimsuit DLC as I think they kind of ruin the seriousness of the game, but it should be an option for those who want it. Granted it could just be that Atlus have yet to decide on if it is coming out yet so that may change.
That game's gonna bomb sooooo hard
@TheDavyStar It doesn't even make sense there's an american DJ considering the game is Japanese dub only!
@Minotaurgamer I'd rather play persona 5. Censorship at its finest here. If we don't buy it and vote with our dollars atlus can keep it's better games on consoles that don't demand censorship. A loss for Nintendo.
@Xaessya I see.
Shame that I won't be ever able to play my pre-ordered Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE: Fortissimo Edition... I only have one copy ordered...
What a shame, eh @DoctorOverbuild
=) <---- Who is the emote based of?
I'm going to leave my question here that I asked in the forums earlier.
Why is this so expensive and very hard to come by in Europe? It's €80 plus postage. The Twilight Princess HD bundle had the game, CD soundtrack and amiibo and sold for €50. Even Star Fox Zero: First Print Edition had the game, steelbook and Star Fox Guard and that was €65. Xenoblade Chronicles X Collectors Edition was €55. Anyway, you get the point.
This is a game that bombed in Japan, has been lazily translated, censored, cut content, is charging for DLC packs on day 1 and they expect us to pay €80+ for that privilege? What makes it worth so much more than the other bundles? Some song lyrics cards and stickers? Hardly. I want to buy it but there's no way I'm paying €85 for such a niche game.
Edit: Also, there won't be a single shop in Ireland selling the Fortissimo Edition.
Ugh, this trailer made me not want to buy this even more. I already was getting irritated with how many annoying anime tropes were in this game but hot dang, the cringe has reached critical mass!
@Oat That gif is absolutely hilarious! It genuinely made me lol.
The "hip" marketing was charming and felt like a 90s throwback with Splatoon, but this is just... painful.
Hey. DJ MasterSeal. I'm not your boi. If you were in this game. I wouldn't be getting it. But your not. Lucky us.
I'm really glad I made the decision to purchase and support the Japanese Version and get the full intended experience of the game. The JP Version is not that impossible to play and the battle system is really fun and addictive to get into, please support the JP version if possible.
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(deep breath)
WHY ARE NoA SO OBSESSED WITH THEIR RIDICULOUS KIDDIE IMAGE?!?!?! This game has been so Americanized and censored to that claiming it's a true Japanese experience is complete bullcrap. And here in Europe, we're just stuck with whatever Nintendo Treehouse pushes out. It's a game aimed at Teens, but NoA just can't handle it!!!! They simply have to make it kid friendly!!! They don't know their target audience.
E = "Everyone"
T = "Toddlers"
M = "Make it kid-friendly"
That's how NoA obviously sees age ratings. Screw it. I've outgrown Nintendo. When NX hits, I ain't buying it. With their region-locking, kiddie-pandering, and censorship, I'm done. I was already considering it months ago, but it's fact now.
Nintendo, I LOVED you, but you've annoyed me so much that I'm no longer a fan, or a customer.
And I bet I'm not the only one.
(Rant over. Sorry for the wall of text.)
Calm down, and no, censoring with the *'s still counts as swearing here...-Megumi
Ok then......
I really do not know what to make of this game. Can't see me buying it at all but I'd love a demo to sample the craziness!!
@RainbowGazelle you're not the only one! At least we can look forward to persona 5 and any other atlus game released on PlayStation.
@Wexter They changed the design so they could have the song advertised in public at japanese karaoke places. However it does look a lot better.
@DiscoGentleman It is well thought-out. Nintendo has been pissing me off for literally over 6 months now.
@Kimyonaakuma Yeah read up on that. The design just looks so much better. I think some of the original Japanese designs lacked something for the most part. Some of the tweaks made help make them look a lot better and help tie them together in an aesthetic sense that was lacking originally.
Real shame some people are just crying censorship on some of them without actually digging for info or looking at them on their own.
I'm not watching the video just to make sure I go in blind as possible, but i'm wondering if Ninty is trying to sabotage the game too, like Devil's Third. Or maybe they want to be as "cool" as the Sonic twitter account. Dunno. It seems the marketing here just tries a little too hard at the "memetendo" thing going on sometimes. I blame Luigi Death Stare XD
It's official, Nintendo has lost their minds!
@whodatninja
I love you. Just wanted to get this out of the way.
@argh4430 I just think the game is hard to advertise to NA fans in general. I mean this game is really Japanese. I think what they are trying to do is market it as well as they can considering. I just cannot see really any other better strategy they can use as this is just a hard sell.
I do not think the game will be bad (Japanese critics for the most part loved it) and I think it will be a critical darling here as well, but as for marketing this game's best shot is good word of mouth.
@DiscoGentleman I only became a fan in 2010. Only been alive since the 90s. I fail to see any hyperbole in my comment. I'm serious.
@DiscoGentleman I really wish NL did more research on the game.
It is really great, but has been getting hardly any good coverage on here.
Nintendaan gave it a really good preview on Nintendo World Report which goes into detail in it and explains a good amount of the game.
https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/hands-on-preview/42628/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-wii-u-hands-on-preview
@DiscoGentleman It's only been subtitled in English. The game was a failure in Japan so I can kind of understand Nintendo's reluctance to do a proper translation and spend some money. But then what's up with the game's price? To make matters worse, because of the censorship, they've had Japanese voice actors rerecord their lines in the edited Western version. So they can spend money on Japanese censorship voice actng but not on you know English voice acting or giving us all the Japanese content? And that dubbed Japanese DLC that they're charging for on day 1, well someone's got to pay for it.
Oh my god that video was too much for me to handle. But having the cringiest person ever talking about a game doesn't mean that the game will be bad (I hope).
@Wexter I agree that even though it is censorship, it looks more interesting aesthetically. Not that I have anything against women wearing skimpy clothes, but I find blue flares(?) to be more distinctive than black bikini bottoms.
Also, this game really should have been marketed as a Persona spinoff. The Fire Emblem references are so inconsequential that they're not even there. A few name changes is all it takes to eliminate any FE references at all. This is definitely not just an SMT spinoff, it's a spinoff of a spinoff. So yeah, marketing fail right there. I guess they didn't make the connection to bring Persona fans over to Nintendo.... Although they're mostly on the Sony side, so this game was probably a bad idea on the Wii U to begin with. Persona Q had to mooch off the success of Persona 3/4 just to get noticed...
@DiscoGentleman Keep going.
You'll eventually get around to flogging everyone.
@RainbowGazelle "I've outgrown Nintendo"
...By boycotting their next system before you even know what it is, based on your limited opportunities to stare at some cartoon schoolchildren in their underpants compared to people in Japan.
Yup. Reeks of maturity. And certainly no hint of hyperbole to be found.
You've not just outgrown Nintendo. You've outgrown all sense of perspective. Congratulations.
@DiscoGentleman On a side note, the 2008 retranslation/improvement mod of Breath of Fire II is quite good. I recommend it.
Nintendo: Gettin' down with kids since 1983.
@DiscoGentleman I'm more less in the same camp. Some of the changes confuse me and some of them have me go "that was a good change". Can't say I'm ecstatic over the localization, but it has been a rather good job overall.
As for the rating I think if the system was doing better than I do not think Nintendo would have cared if the game got an M and may had still brought it over. I think three major factors were at play for pushing for that T: It is a Fire Emblem spin-off and historically that has been T, the low Wii U install base and the apathy towards M rated games on the system. Not saying all M rated games on the Wii U are doomed to fail (Bayonetta 2 did really well considering the user base), but I feel Nintendo looking at the Wii U's numbers and this game getting a lukewarm reception financially in Japan tells me they wanted this to reach as many potential buyers as they can.
Time will only tell if they made the right call or not on that one.
@DiscoGentleman I think I remember seeing that comment regarding the DLC, but while I didn't get any, I believe it was all included in the fortissimo edition in Japan too so it was also day 1 there.
My main problem is just that the fortissimo edition is $120 CAD...
@Maxz @DiscoGentleman Thanks guys, it's nice to see there's still common sense about this matter around this place.
@DiscoGentleman Unless Atlus and Intelligent Systems really want to work on a sequel with a reduced budget, I also think this is a one-and-done. I mean weirder sequels have happened so I'm not 100% counting it out... more like 99% sure we will never see one (that 1% being if the NA and European sales numbers are really good).
We will find out if our optimism pays off this June (I'm sure it will Atlus and Intelligent Systems rarely produce a true egg of a title).
@DiscoGentleman As for TMS's rating, there have been plenty of T rated games with characters wearing skimpy clothing, and even the Sexual Themes tag isn't enough to bring it up to the M rating. (Case in point, the ESRB rating of Final Fantasy 7, and tons of other PlayStation RPG's. Remember the gay guy hot tub scene? And all the scantily clad people in Costa Del Sol? Nope, still no M rating.) Even the context is not that offensive here, especially with the upped female ages.
So yeah, I would say it's Nintendo imposing the censorship, not the ESRB. (Not that all cases of censorship are bad, per se, but it's almost certainly Nintendo's doing in this case, for whatever that's worth.)
Anyways, if anyone does have a question regarding this game, feel free to ask. Just send me a reply here or in the forum.
I have the Japanese version and personally love it so I really hope it does do well here.
@PlywoodStick Persona 4 tends to be my goto for games that get tagged M with little sexual content still getting it (the games are even similar content wise from what I have seen). Also the ESRB used to be a lot less rigged with ratings back during the PSOne days (Xenogears today would be a hard M easily). Also let's not neglect poor Phoenix Wright Dual Destinies.
I feel it is both. I could be Nintendo pushing down some of the content to avoid it/the ESRB being silly-billies about certain content sometimes. We will probably never know unless Atlus USA or NoA ever talk about in the future (which is highly unlikely while Atlus/Sega and Nintendo remain buddy-buddy).
@DiscoGentleman Yeah. I mean, it's disappointing, because there's a conversation to be had about it. I don't think I begrudge people who want something as faithful to the original release as possible; who want to play essentially the same game but in a language they understand.
But it's this whole "Nintendo owe me X, and if they don't give me it exactly as I want, I'm going to completely lose control (because that's how you make a point on the Internet)" attitude that just throws all debate out of proportion.
It'd be nice to see something a bit more level-headed than attempts to directly threaten Nintendo under a news article.
I think I agree with you about Alex's video too. I've had peeves with the over-reliance on shallow, worn-out tropes that seem to make up the bulk of this game's plot and characters, but I'd like to see something constructive said about the gameplay itself. I doubt I'm going to purchase it anyway, but most of the debate that's been surrounding this has been about controversial but - realistically - rather insubstantial changes to the game.
I've barely heard anything about the gameplay or battle mechanics themselves; the core of the game and what separates it from being a graphic novel. And as a collection of gamers on a games website, it seems... well, pretty pathetic that we haven't actually got to point of discussing game design.
I'd hoped Alex's video might've been a little more illuminating.
If someone disapproves of censorship, and doesn't want to support a company that overindulges in it, it makes sense to boycott that company's next console. Especially when it seems like said company is not going to raise their standards in this regard. There's no reason to think games that are published by Nintendo will have any less censorship on the NX.
That's not immaturity, it's voting with your wallet.
@DiscoGentleman I refer back to the last video I posted here. I never said, but apparently the whole pretext behind this scene has been completely changed and rerecorded in Japanese for the benefit of us that had no idea what was said in the first place. And that's just 1 example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y1RVMplNAc
@DiscoGentleman Equating the level of censorship in FE Fates or TMS with the routine and tiny localization changes that are made in most of the other games not published by Nintendo is ridiculous.
@DiscoGentleman @Ralizah Cough Square Enix cough.
Sorry I had a bunny girl in my throat, I was just getting flashbacks of certain Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy titles.
>_>
@DiscoGentleman I don't think it's over-exaggeration when a game has significant visual censorship, loses out on at least one piece of DLC, and changes the narrative meaning of a dungeon because they're scared of six year olds seeing a girl in a bikini.
But, let's be real: even if it WAS just T&A, it's disappointing that Nintendo has so little respect for its audience that it feels like it needs to "cover their eyes," so to speak. It's patronizing. There is nothing shameful about the human body, and I'm disappointed that Nintendo seems to be adopting this puritan attitude toward several of the games it publishes.
Why is Nintendo of America literally the stupidest company evar?????/?
@DiscoGentleman I remember reading a GamePro article around 2007 that the process was still pretty similar to 1997. So maybe something changed within the past 9 years, but there have still been other games that got away with a T rating and skimpy clothes since then.
@Ralizah I understand the logic behind this sentiment, but I can't imagine it has any meaningful effect if employed in such a convoluted manner.
It's my belief that 'voting with one's wallet' only has any effect in the extreme short-term. As in, not buying a game because you take issue with the game itself. That way, when the high-ups analyse the sales figures for a region and realise they're not what they expect, they might think "what went wrong here?" and conclude that it was indeed the issue you had a problem with.
But to think that when the NX's sales figures are being examined (in a year's time) that when people ask the question "Why didn't we sell as many consoles as we could have done?", they will reach the conclusion, "Oh yes, it's because we left some swimsuits out of that idol RPG in the West" ...that I just can't get my head around.
It seems bizarre. That's just not how the causality is going to be interpreted. It's ridiculously naive that someone would expect their protest to get transmitted across that timeframe, in that indirect a fashion. It seems like a highly impotent attempt to get a message across, to the point of absurdity.
And in the mean time, the person stubbornly making their point is just denying themselves the opportunity to play games they might have otherwise enjoyed. Or there might not be any games they're interested in, but in that case they're unlikely to have bought the console anyway.
"Hey, hey, Steve! Are you going to get an NX? That way we can play [insert game] online together!"
"Sorry Sarah, I can't. I'm not buying an NX in protest to the lack of swimsuit constumes in a Wii U game released 10 months ago. I told the whole internet, and I'm a man of my word"
"Oh wow, Steve. You're so principled and mature and admirable. Don't worry, we don't need to play together. You can just sit at home feeling influential, and I'll just play on my own"
"Thanks Sarah. You've always been so understanding"
@Wexter Yeah, there's not really anything that stands out in Persona 4 to give it an M, but I remember that. I'll have to look into that one
Not gonna touch the censorship conversation as that seems to be well worn territory but I'm gonna come out the an unpopular opinion and say I'm okay with the day one DLC here. We know from the Japanese release that all the content came about AFTER the games launch. With the western launch they just opted to make it available on day one. I see no problem with that.
And as to the potential for an M rating and comparisons to Persona 4, P4 was rated M for blood/gore, partial nudity, sexual themes, language and alcohol references. I think TMS checks off all of those. Well I dunno about the alcohol but I can see potential for it.
@DiscoGentleman
Pretty much this, unfortunately. Alot of people just don't realize how much corporations like- ahem-Nintendo are only ever interested in their bottom line. Sometimes that works in harmony with artistic integrity, but as art is usually all over the place, most often it doesn't. The unfortunate side effect is that people who appreciate less universally appealing stuff like this game (original form or otherwise) feel outed, like they're being personally attacked and ignored when a company tries to aim for the majority instead. It's a harsh reality, but fans of this stuff are in the vast minority; even gaming in and of itself is still considered niche, so this is even more so. People just have to accept that, be comfortable with themselves and what they like, and stop taking every little corporate decision like a personal affront.
Edit: oh, and just to clarify, I myself am a fan of some very niche things as well, so I've been in that minority. I just don't think I'm owed anything by a multi-billion dollar company.
@DiscoGentleman I'm pretty sure even Nintendo doesn't think that taking the fanservicey outfits of something like Fatal Frame were ever going to help it sell better. If anything, leaving that content in would help it sell better. So, no, I reject the notion that the changes made in recent games is purely them taking the market into account. This is not the 90's, and plenty of games with significant sexual and violent content sell just fine. Calling someone a "pissbaby" like an angry 12 year old isn't going to change that reality.
@Maxz I get your point. Outside of some sort of gigantic consumer campaign, which isn't going to happen (or, if it did, would likely turn into some gigantic mess like Gamergate), there's no real way to signal to a company why you're not buying their product. It's more about prioritizing what you do or do not want to support in your life as a consumer. If you refuse to see a movie that has T&A in it because you disapprove of the objectification of female bodies, for instance, your lost dollars aren't going to make a dent in the film's box office take, but you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you didn't support a product that promotes values you disapprove of.
And, honestly, if a person cares enough to deny themselves the opportunity to play games on the NX, that's their problem. What I don't understand is why this gaggle of censorship advocates feels the need to crawl out of the woodwork and bully someone because they do care deeply about this issue and dare to make a comment about it.
With regard to Persona 4, it's probably best to take into account some of the designs of the Personae in the game. Particularly Mara, which is depicted as a gigantic penis on a chariot.
@DiscoGentleman I was speaking of the Rainbow Gazelle guy in that part of the post. The rude, flippant attitude of many of the people who engage in these discussions is why I tend to try and not engage in them anymore. I don't think it's "victimizing" him to point out how rude and personal many of the replies to his post got.
Speaking of rude and flippant, I just watched that first impressions video at the bottom of the article, and I was kind of disappointed with Alex's attitude toward the game. Surely he wouldn't post a video making fun of something like Xenoblade Chronicles X because it takes more than fifteen minutes to get going and has weird facial animations, right? The video felt like something a new Youtube LPer might post in an attempt at being funny and garnering views.
@Ralizah Well yeah, that's a lot more comprehensible.
Though I'm not sure if much of what I've seen I would describe as "bullying". As I've said, I think I understand people's desire to play certain Japanese games with only the bare minimum of 'localisation' to help them understand them - I don't think I really begrudge anyone of that. I think there are some battles people should just accept they'll lose - largely with regards to 'underageness' - but I'm generally not strongly pro or anti in the majority of these decisions.
What I do find irksome is when people are unable to explain their frustrations or disappointments in a relatively level-headed manner, and instead throw a complete tantrum as though they're making a direct threat to Nintendo's head office. This is a communal comment section, and outbursts of such pigheaded hyperbole generally throw the entire discourse in a stupid direction and polarise the whole debate until everyone's sitting at one extreme or the other.
I think it's generally a good idea to identify hyperbole as such, so people can continue attempting to have a discussion that isn't grounded in hysterical proclamations. And I don't think pointing that out necessarily counts as 'bullying'. At least, I haven't seen many examples in this case.
The voice actor has clearly never talked this way or with the kind of energy required. That's the biggest problem. This is the first video of the game that made me at all interested in the game, so there's that.
@Ralizah
In regards to the first part of your post, I feel that it has more to do with Nintendo's image, and how it looks when they, a company known for games marketed for everyone, put (or leave) content in a game that is regarded by the general masses as NOT for everyone. Just having more 'mature' games at all is a stretch for them, and typically comes off as being done to appease those who grew up with them and now want those kind of experiences, which in and of itself is a very small number of people. True, it could be argued that in that case it wouldn't hurt to leave the mature stuff in, and might even boost sales a bit for THAT game, but they have consider if it's worth the possible fallout from parents of the kids that are their primary audience passing on buying their other games after they see what other stuff Nintendo is publishing. There might only be a small possibility of loss in that scenario, but I'd be willing to bet it would potentially be more than the marginal profits from those who would only buy a game if it left the suggestive stuff in. It's a ridiculously fine line to walk, but that's PR and business; you have to explore every possibility.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not in favor of censorship. Just being realistic. What other explanation is there for their actions?
Edit: And I agree with you on Alex's video. Usually I find him funny, but that just felt distasteful. Shame on you, Alex...
@Ralizah
I don't like censorship. In fact you can find quite the rant I posted in the forums for this game.
But it's getting out of hand. It's getting to the point where every single article gets slammed with raging, out of control comments about censorship all the way up and through and past the game's release.
It's getting to the point where I feel people are starting to do it because they like the attention and the up votes it brings them. When I'm upset about something to the point where I'm actually emotionally angry I might go vent. But then I calm down and move on. But I'm seeing a pattern where people repeatedly lose their cool on every single article for said game, basically just stirring the pot intentionally.
And once it's seen as cool to start trashing something, a whole lot of people jump on board with it because that's how the Internet works.
Like I said I am very much against the censorship but if we're being completely and totally honest here, it doesn't really matter. Not having a stylus tapping mini game that most people excommunicated out the gate as something that never should have been there, or having a cowboy instead of an Indian, or having a fully clothed woman in a certain scene instead of a bikini... It's inconsequential. Even my very own complaints that they change the dialogue... if we're being honest, it doesn't really matter.
On principle, I will continue to voice my discontent against Nintendo for doing such things and that will never stop. But there is no voting with your wallets when it comes to this stuff. There is no democracy when it comes to Nintendo. There is only what sells and what doesn't- and if it doesn't sell they're not going to stop censoring, they're going to stop supporting the franchise.
And that's something people need to understand. When you don't buy Fire Emblem to make a point, or Bravely Second, or #FE- or as some guy above said, the NX... you're not going to convince Nintendo to stop censoring. All you're going to do is to contribute to the demise of said franchise or console. And if that is what somebody wants then I would have to question why revenge is now part of their motives. Killing off a franchise or Nintendo's home console business isn't going to bring uncensored games into their living room. It's just going to deprive both them and everyone else of games that we love.
As much as I despise Nintendo being so heavy-handed, I don't think I could ever bring myself to skip a game that I want to play simply to "make a statement". If that day ever comes I might as well hang up my controller for good, grab a picket sign and go protest and march the rest of my life. It just seems to me that life is too short to miss out on wonderful experiences over such (if we're being completely honest) negigible reasons.
I am excited for this game because it looks like it's actually a really good game. I love Persona- I love Atlus RPG's and I love both Fire Emblem and SMT. I'm going to enjoy this game because I am a gamer, and seeking out fun games is what I do. I'll voice my discontent with Nintendo on Twitter but when it comes great games, nothing comes between me and enjoying them.
@Ralizah Also, I think it's at least slightly dishonest to refer to Gazelle as coming under fire from a "gaggle of censorship advocates" who've "crawled out of the woodwork".
He's only had 4 responses to his original post (from my count). The first one was in complete agreement with him. Another was from @DiscoGentleman, who's already stated that he thinks it would probably have been better if the game was left untouched. Then there's me, and as I've explained, I'm completely ambivalent. I think it possibly would have been a good idea to leave the game as it was, given the small market this game was going for in the West anyway. But fundamentally, I don't really care, which I think precludes me from being a 'censorship advocate' (as advocation requires inclination at the very least). Then there's @Syrek24. I can't speak for him - I don't know if he would self describe as a 'censorship advocate' or not. But at most, that leaves you with one potential (and very unlikely) 'advocate', which hardly qualifies as 'a gaggle'.
So I'd like to see that statement clarified at least.
SIGH. I need to go clean the blood dripping out of my ears....
Now that that's been said, on to the subject of the actual video.
Aside from the whole DJ thing, this is actually a pretty decent trailer for the game. It does a fairly good job of explaining how the gameplay works and what kind of game #FE really is.
On another note, I see there's still plenty of cleavage left for eyes to ogle
I found the DJ a bit cheesy, but he fits right with the game tone, as it doesn't take itself really seriously, and it keeps showing some gameplay... Which looks fantastic.
On another topic, I hope people that are against censorship vote with their wallets. At least I think the outrage about sub only has died.... Now that was an annoying discussion.
@JaxonH
Exactly. As terrible as these situations are, there's really no avoiding them. All we can really do is bear with it, and be thankful for the games that don't get put through this. If that bothers anyone, then it is perfectly fine to express that opinion somewhere where Nintendo might see it; but please, just make your grievences civil and intelligent, everyone. That's the only real way to make a difference.
That was thematically a very good attempt, surprisingly. I expected some real cheese and patronizing as the tagline suggested, but the presentation style fit almost seemlessly, I thought.
@DiscoGentleman
Hmm.. Child of Light. I played that game but, Idk, I can't really see any similarities. The battle system was more like Final Fantasy 7.
I'd say SMT and Persona. This game seems like SMT wrapped in a Persona aesthetic, with touches of Fire Emblem sprinkled throughout. I really like the idea of the sessions attacks.
Most of all, I love the art style. They absolutely nailed it imo.
@JaxonH Fantastic post. There IS an issue to be discussed here, but the outbursts are beginning to remind me of those 'reaction' videos in which YouTubers compete to see who can act the most disproportionately psychotic to the news that Mewtwo and chums will be in Smash 4.
I hope Nintendo releases a demo for this. Fat chance, I know, but people might be more willing to invest in this if they know the basic gameplay is fun.
@JaxonH The battle system seems like simplified SMT for sure. It seems sufficiently different enough to have its own identity, though.
I like how they worked in the weapon triangle from FE, too.
@Wexter @DiscoGentleman LOL! It's always kind of an event to see what they'll censor alcoholic drinks with next... In Harvest Moon it was juice instead of wine (and the N64 farmer is like the biggest drunk of all time, most people would die drinking that much), a lot of games go with Soda/Cola/Pop (who can forget Soda Popinski being censored from Vodka Drunkinski), or Coffee (the bars in many SNES and some PS1 titles, like Final Fantasy 6 and Grandia, were censored into cafe's). That form of censorship is actually kind of endearing at this point.
But on the other hand, there is also Nintendo's history otherwise to remember: http://www.jjmccullough.com/Nintendo.php
It feels like Nintendo has gone back to those times in the 80s and 90s. As the article says, it's not an offensive act, but in this day and age, it's embarrassing to have such high levels of censorship. It was even embarrassing almost 20 years ago, too. It's directly related to why PlayStation started being the go to console over Nintendo, and barring the Wii, that's continued to this day for home consoles.
Now that the Wii era has passed, this sort of policy discourages core gamers from adopting Nintendo home consoles in the future. Nintendo is just going to go after the casual market again, like they did with the Wii, and who knows if they can capture lightning in a bottle a second time. (I doubt it.)
So as Nintendo gamers, this might not matter to us, but rampant censorship does have a negative effect on Nintendo's image (and therefore sales), like it or not.
That said, I'm personally not getting the game because it isn't anywhere close to the SMTxFE title I was hoping for. Maybe something closer to the Majin Tensei titles on the SNES. The censorship isn't affecting my decision, I'm just not big on the Persona titles. Not to mention all the FE references suffer from name change weakness. (In other words, if all the related mechanics, characters, and terms were name changed, no one would be any the wiser.)
@PlywoodStick I do not think censorship is a good thing, I just think there are places to pick your battles and some places to just roll your eyes at.
Nintendo is not the only Japanese publisher to do this kind of thing as Namco Bandai, and Square Enix can be just as bad. I remember Xenosaga 3 being very edited in places thanks to Namco Bandai to the point that a lot of symbolism was being ruined (and this was more than just a dungeon this was constant). Square Enix may not be as guilty anymore, but they like to... let's just say edgy-up the US version of certain games like Nier and Drakengard 3. Drakengard 3 was so bad that if you played it in Japanese with English subs and know Japanese there are more than one occasion you go "That is not what she is saying game!".
I think censorship in general is bad, but small cosmetic costume tweaks are not going to bother me too much. It is when powerful thought provoking moments get heavily altered is where my ire gets turned on or when a publisher makes a script more mature to try to sell it and kills some of the nuances of the original.
...and im just sitting here like hey this looks like a neat game
@JaxonH I believe that is how I described it to DiscoGentleman.
I haven't played child of light myself, but I've seen my cousin play it and the way each character's turn goes reminded me of it. At the top there is a set order in which you attack each turn and if you are faster, you may be able to attack sooner.
I haven't played SMT before so I can't really make any comparisons, but for a game I've played that I can compare it to as well, I'd say Mario and Luigi. You take turns attacking and when you do attack you have various options like attack, items, defend, skills (which use up a meter like bros points).
@Wexter Yeah, for Xenosaga in particular, that got into classical Gnosticism, which can be a controversial subject in the west when it's getting an independent perspective that holds a deeper form of criticism. Whereas most Japanese people don't get so offended about that kind of religious criticism, so it wouldn't be censored there. But most Nintendo games don't get much more complex in their narrative than "jump on/slash/shoot the turtles/pigmen/space lobsters and save the princess/world/galaxy." So that kind of narrative isn't even going to exist most of the time on Nintendo consoles to possibly be censored. (Except every once in a while, like with Breath of Fire 2 on the SNES, which in hindsight, I'm amazed got released in the US at all.)
There's not really much of any place to "pick battles" on Nintendo consoles in the way you're referring to, although I agree with that assessment elsewhere. Granted, I don't see tons of censorship on PC... And any that does appear can be modded.
@Wexter i recall this game being questionable even by japan press, they didn't like some things in it so i'm not surprised things where changed. persona 5 might get hit by the same thing if they go to far, but it will prove if the press are bashing on it cause it's Nintendo... or they had morals, when persona 5 if same type of things are in there and if they don't call it out, this will kinda prove them to bias if you ask me. but the art change is more pleasing, i agree with that. at least altus changed it so it's not shoddily looking like in past changes.
@Uncensored They changed, what, 1% of 1% of the game, which they are of course entitled to do because they're paying the bills, and this is such egregious censorship that a message must be sent? Hardly. The ironic thing is that if what the west gets is what Japan had gotten, every weeb would be ecstatic about this game. Instead they deprive themselves to play into a tired narrative that can be justified only by ignoring the actual nature of localization.
@Syrek24 I wonder if you'll ever criticize Nintendo for anything?
Good old Nintendo, once again pandering to the kiddies. Can't they just have one game that they don't have to market to EVERYONE lately? It makes me miss the pre-Wii era days...
I think Nintendo needs to learn who the consumers are in the gaming industry...
@PanurgeJr blah, blah, blah, I'll still not play it and I'm not the only one. I'll play the superior uncut persona 5 on the superior ps4. See that? You cut content and you lose sales.
@kenrulei persona 5's latest trailer showed a girl in a bikini and the main characters reacted to it. No way they can change that without changing the story and some of the main character's personalities. But Sony knows adults play games too. I'm certain p5 won't have to be cut to get a t rating.
@Syrek24 well I've never been depressed and I enjoy life and the freedom to like or dislike what I choose. I can't see things from your perspective.
The disconnect Nintendo has with the audience for this game is gigantic.
@Wexter women wearing bikinis is not "sexual content". Even an apologist like yourself can understand this.
Stop making excuses for this localization crap bolstered by region lock. Either certain content is okay everywhere, or it isn't okay anywhere. Enough is enough.
@Uncensored Yes, they are losing sales because people like you are completely overreacting to a business decision. What you are failing to account for is that they may be gaining more sales by their approach to localization by expanding the audience for these games than they are losing from purity-obsessed neck-bearded weebs crying censorship because their wishes aren't followed to the letter, I mean kana. Any corporation in its right mind would make changes that expand the audience, no matter who they are gaining and who they are losing. That they are losing reactionary neo-GamerGate weebs is just a bonus.
tl;dr version: you don't represent nearly as many people as you think you do.
@AlexSora89 Love you too fam
@PanurgeJr Well, 1% that we know of. Who knows what else they could censor later in the game... (Havent checked because spoilers)
Huh, I much prefer most of the localisation (or "censorship" if you're that way inclined). It doesn't seem anything to do with making it kid-friendly, this isn't something Nintendo always do I don't know why people are saying that. They funded and published Bayonetta 2, who they added to Smash and the Fire Emblem games are a higher rating too. They're clearly trying to make changes so this will sit more comfortably with the majority of the Western audience. I know it's a very Japanese game and most people looking forward it are going to be very accustomed to such things, but they're trying to expand that audience to try and sell outside that niche. Many in the West would feel uncomfortable playing as a young teenage girl in a skimpy bikini and mini-skirt for example, it's less culturally accepted over here and borders on the public perception of creepy and pervy. And I don't wish to offend anyone with that remark, I'm not saying anyone here IS that way, but that is how the game and it's audience will be perceived. That is what Nintendo want to avoid, it's nothing to do with being kid friendly. You want to stop that then you're going to have to work on the mindset of the West.
I don't know, it doesn't seem awful to me. No major mechanics have changed as far as I'm aware. Can you really not enjoy the game without the crotchless trousers, skimpy bikini tops and large amounts of demon cleavage? Maybe I'm missing something but that doesn't seem to be what the game is about so what's it matter? At least we're actually getting the damn thing!
@Ogbert Beware. When you demonstrate that you understand the reasons for the decisions made during localization and have the temerity to support them, you will be labeled a censorship apologist. Fortunately NL doesn't run opinion pieces that stoke the flames of the everything-is-censorship crowd so there aren't all that many here, but it will happen.
What I find the most laughable about the whole thing is that if what the west gets is what Japan had gotten in the first place rather than involving changes during localization, so that the game we play is the same in both scenarios, but just hasn't been altered before arriving here, the everything-is-censorship weebs would be all over it. But if a miniscule change is made the game becomes an abomination, never mind that changes are always made in conjunction with the original developers, and often as a result of feedback from Japanese players. That's right, if you give them what Japan got it's fine, but if you give them what Japan would rather have had it's censorship. I've never seen the logic, and don't expect to.
Speaking as someone who have no interest in this Shin Megami Idolmaster-whatever-looking game, I'm still somewhat curious to see if the decision to 'appeal to a broader audience' pays off. To me this looks like a game that was made specifically to appeal to a niche audience, much like the rest of the SMT-franchise. Alienating and angering said niche audience by cutting out things they want to see in a game sounds like a poor business decision. Never mind that this looks like a game that would be found on a Sony console.
I'm also curious to see what new gimmick the NX will have and if it will be as big a failure as the Wii consoles. IMO Nintendo need to stop with gimmicks and just give us Gamecube 2.
This game looks utterly Genius! WE can't grasp that concept yet can we?
Amazing!
@Uncensored When has that kind of immature boycott ever worked? You're only going to be hurting yourself that way. Really, the censorship isn't that bad here, as they were either necessary changes required to obtain a T rating, minor cosmetics changes, or the lack of one piece of optional DLC. Sure, they went overboard on the cosmetic censoring, but it's not something that should keep you from enjoying the game.
Granted, it may still not sell a ton, but by nabbing a T rating and appealing to teens (not kids), I think they'll gain a lot more sales than they'll lose from the perverted otakus. I for one wouldn't have bought the game if it had an M rating, but I'm looking forward to the only second major JRPG release on Wii U (after Xenoblade Chronicles X).
@Ralizah Um, yes, you are indeed overexaggerating if you think the cosmetics changes and lost DLC are worth getting upset about. As for the narrative meaning of that dungeon, that was proper censorship to avoid referencing a very risque industry in order to obtain a T rating to best fit the target audience. The game is overall meant for both teens and adults and not just adult Persona fans.
There's no shame in the human body?! What are you, a hippie? Of course there's shame in indecent exposure in public, otherwise we wouldn't have laws against it. How much skin is appropriate is up for debate, but it's hardly only puritans who think so. Yes, they probably could've kept a lot of it and still gotten a T rating, but it's better to cover up too much than not enough.
Game looks cool.
@Uncensored or maybe they'll just stop releasing JRPGs in the West?
Still waiting for an explanation as to why the Fortissimo Edition is €80 plus delivery when other Wii U bundles have been €50?
@whodatninja The game was never marketed towards Persona fans, and there's no console overlap; SMT and FE are the "targets". But most of the fans of both series are ambivalent towards it/hate it.
I think the fact that they're taking such drastic measures is more of a sign of how much of a commercial failure the game was than anything.
This is going to bomb and it sucks because I can already see it is a much more interesting JRPG than Xenoblade, with a nice combat system and characters that are not bland.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Can I ask; who are you waiting for an explanation from? Who do you think here was at the board meeting where they discussed the pricing strategies for each version of the game in each region?
You've asked it several times now. It's not that we're all keeping the information secretly from you because we're a bunch of cheeky minxes. It's that we don't know.
On a similar note:
Does anyone know where I put my car keys? Still waiting for an explanation of that.
I really want to like this game because I really like Fire Emblem. But the Fire Emblem characters seem so changed to me that it's hard to recognize them. I had to look at pictures of them side by side to even tell on some.
I've never played Shin Megami Tensei or Persona so those aren't a selling point for me either.
It just looks so weird. I'd love a demo to try it first before buying.
@Maxz Have you checked the ignition of you car? Lol.
Game looks cool. I'm just not into Persona or FEEL sooo...skip.
This video has almost the exact same tone as the recaps at the beginning of the first couple of seasons of Digimon - a.k.a, targeting the teenagers watching the show using an ad-man's approximation of their vernacular. If they're anything like I was though, they'll see through the pandering, but also stick around because they recognise it's cool, and the only reason it's pandering to them is because it's made for them.
@Syrek24 I like that you have, firstly, managed to survive those three years and come out on the other side. Secondly, I respect the fact that your trauma has helped you find what truly matters. Thirdly, I am stoked that you are still able to find joy in games, and let the dumb stuff go. All power to you, my friend.
(munches on popcorn)
These comment sections are always very interesting! xD
It's scary how Nintendo neglects the fact that their audience is not just little kids.
@Maxz Another smart arsed comment from you. Nothing new there.
I love Nintendo, but I'm so tired of this effort to bring everything to kids, c'mon Nintendo kids watch boos and blood everyday now and adults don't care about this in a game, just want a full experience and not a watered down like Pokemon XY ORAS and this kind of stupid censorship.
@YorkshireNed not on playstation they wont!
@stipey Uh... Digimon was marketed towards children, the same primary audience as Pokémon originally....
Well, that explains a lot. I underwent depression when I was a teenager, too. I even thought about jumping out a window at one point. But before such an attempt, I thought about it, and thought to myself, "Hmmm... Nope, I still have enough will to live. Doesn't make sense."
So I can appreciate that to some degree. And yes, there are bigger problems in the world to worry about and deal with. But then again, this is a gaming site. Doesn't make sense to go on a personal crusade trying to preach to other people what is right. And especially with the likes that follow those types of comments, from people who are thinking the same thing as you, but are too timid or otherwise gutless to go as far as you do in your chastisements in the comments, hiding behind your words as a shield, seems a bit cult of personality ish to me.
It's good that you don't take all this too seriously, since there are more worthy problems in the world to deal with. With your comment history, though, it gives the appearance that you do take this too seriously. So it's nice to see a sobering account.
@Wexter i think i see what you mean. The design with the pants balances out the darks/lights much better and is easier to look at, meanwhile the bikini bottoms/legwarmer things kinda throw it off and your eyes aren't really sure where to go (in an innocent way, plz). Also they just look kinda odd with the top after a while imo
I just woke up but i might watch the video later. I do have interest in this game; i want to see how they can pull off this kinda thing
Actually I think even the Japanese version of the game had the pants, the other being initially used in promotion but changed in the Japanese release.
So I guess it is not a localization change per se.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE No, it's nothing new at all. In fact, I'm getting completely sick of making them.
But so long as you're commited to posting trite, self-indulgent pieces of vacuous aggro, you should really just get used to people pointing that out - and if you're really unlucky - mocking it.
Because it's annoying, and pointless, and repetitive, and formulaic, and predictable, and very, very dull.
If you turn up underneath a thoughtful, semi-introspective piece about how an obsession with the competitive side of Pokemon can undermine the sense of discovery that makes the main games so enchanting, only to then declare, "I've never played Pokemon and never will", then... well, who do you think really cares? Who do you think wants to reach the comments section and be greeted with what amounts to "I have nothing to contribute" as the first post?
Equally, you DO have a right to question the pricing of a game in your region (and also to question why that region is excluded from certain competitions), but to both post it repeatedly, and then bite the head off anyone who gives an decent explanation is churlish and irritating.
Just as turning up under every article featuring an amiibo and mindlessly yelling "SCAMiibo" is churlish and irritating. And I say this as someone decidedly anti-amiibo.
I'm not a messenger from Camp Happy Smiles telling you you should always be positive and cheery and smiley. I don't really care if you're positive, negative, or flip madly between the two. I'd just like you to stop being so aggressively boring.
Yes, you have the right to an opinion. Yes, you have the right to aimlessly moan at every opportunity. But this is a public forum, and people have the right to opinions on your opinions, and to moan about your incessant moaning.
If you must keep posting such self-absorbed, sullen, vacuous remarks for the wider world to see, then that's part of the deal.
@Spoony_Tech "It's official, Nintendo has lost their minds!"
I see you decided to take the red pill yesterday. Welcome aboard the Nebuchadnezzar.
@Maxz Based on the ability to see underage kids in their pants? Don't be absurd. I don't give 2 craps about seeing kid's pants. That's disgusting. I'm talking about Nintendo seemingly giving the message to all girls that they should be ashamed of their bodies, by always adding extra covering and the like. As I also said, it's not just censorship that Nintendo has done to irritate me over the last few years. There's the way they handled Hyrule Warriors Legends DLC, which screwed over Wii U owners; giving up on the Wii U and releasing shovelware/unfinished games like Mario Tennis and amiibo festival at full price; making My Nintendo only reward digital purchases; releasing remakes at full-price; region-locking; and various other reasons. Excess censorship was merely the final straw.
This and Persona 5 are my most anticipated games right now.
All things considered, I like the vid more than I like the title - I keep reading it as Tokyo Mirage Sessions hashtag FE, and its really not working for me.
@RainbowGazelle "I'm talking about Nintendo seemingly giving the message to all girls that they should be ashamed of their bodies, by always adding extra covering and the like."
What the actual h...
I stopped reading after this.
@Maxz Did I mock Pokemon or its players? No. I just said it's not for me. What a crime. But you go ahead and take your little digs.
Nobody has given a decent explanation why Irish residents are excluded from competitions. And nobody's head was bitten off. What a lie and misleading statement to make. You're clearly not worth any more of my time, so I'm done with you.
"WE MUST STOP THE CENSORSHIP BEFORE WE NEVER SEE TEENAGE GIRLS IN THEIR UNDERPANTS IN A VIDEO GAME AGAIN! IMAGINE WHAT A HORRIBLE FATE THAT WOULD BE!"
@RainbowGazelle I'm not clued up on the exact nature of the changes between the US/EUR and the JPN version, but it seems like a quite a stretch to interpret it as "Nintendo telling girls they should be ashamed of their bodies". Especially if the changes essentially balance the amount of skin shown between the sexes.
Not that having an imbalance immediately makes the game immoral or abhorrent. As I've said, I think it might have been better to leave the game aesthetically untouched, as it has rather niche audience to begin with - which may only be 'broadened' so much by attempting to make it more 'family friendly'. But I don't believe that omitting a swimsuit pack (among other things) is likely to leave anyone feeling ashamed about their bodies.
The other stuff, I almost entirely agree with. Which is why I find it irritating when people take their frustrations out on largely inconsequential fluff.
There are many legitimate complaints to be made about the company's decisions. Mario Tennis was inexcusably lacking. Amiibo Festival was naff. The new point system is coercive and limited. Smash DLC is overpriced. The free-to-play phone venture seems deeply worrying. Zelda U has been delayed for the zillion the time. etc.
These are all concerning, and worth bringing attention to. Which is why it's confusing that people are venting all their anger at some largely inconsequential changes to a niche idol RPG that even Japan doesn't seem very interested in. Again, I think it would have been better to leave the game as it was, with only the text changed. But the hyperbole surrounding this is ridiculous.
That was cringe video by alex
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I didn't say you were mocking anyone. I said you were being mocked, largely on account of your temperament and your series of repetitive and predictable remarks that range from sullenly aggressive to completely inconsequential and unnecessary (e.g. the Pokemon article).
And it probably is hyperbolic to say you "bit someone's head off" in your attempt to find out why residents of RoI weren't included in the competition, but there must be some reason by @BLPs met your response to his very reasonable explanation with, "Welp, that's the last time I ever try to give a none side-picked answer in some attempt to clear stuff up".
Anyway, forgive my exaggeration.
@Maxz I think it's just them censoring stuff in seemingly every game recently that has people getting annoyed. I'm worried that it'll lead to worse stuff, like completely re-writing stories ala games in the 90s. And also because a lot of fans are older now, they feel they don't need to be molly-coddled; if Japan gets it, why can't they? That type of thing.
I mean, Nintendo does know that most gamers are also adults too right?
I don't understand why Nintendo is making the game seem much less mature than it really is. I could care less about the whole censorship, but it confuses me on why Nintendo is not marketing this game to the teen/adult demographic. I know Nintendo is family-friendly but the truth is that not everyone that plays Nintendo is a kid. Not saying ditch the kids, but don't shut out the adults/teens who might be interested in this.
@Maxz Well, in all honesty I don't we get to tell what people want to be venting their anger at. If someone wants to get angry at the amount of polygons on a aircraft that is basically a blank pointy pyramid, then.... so be it.
@DiscoGentleman
Oh no xD That made me laugh me more than it should have!
And on the topic of the videos, I thought the official video was much less cringy, than Nintendo Life's video.
Just going to put this out there (and it has been kind of explained already), there is a difference between a sharp and a pound/hashtag. And it is also seen in the titles of their YouTube videos of TMS.
♯ sharp and # pound/hashtag
Although the one used on NL is a pound.
@Syrek24 I sincerely hope you're feeling a lot better now. I used to suffer from depression myself and I know it can be hard. I just hope you're alright because people should be able to enjoy life without feeling hopeless and miserable. You're not alone.
@Kazuo
Well I am not entirely sure NL gets it. Alex did refer it to as Hashtag FE (or something) in his video as well -_-
@DiscoGentleman That's actually a good question. I think I'm going to have to go with I never liked music, never could learn to read it, and I was never a fan of C# (sharp) programming language as I always felt MS was trying too hard "to be hip" w/ the name. Just like this vid is trying too hard to be hip. (poor attempt at being on topic). And ever since Twitter took over the world "hashtag" has become my new thing too hate. It used to be "there's an app for that" which made me cringe all the time, now "hashtag" makes me cringe. And listening to radio commercials where they spell out www.yesIcan.com. It's 2016, we don't need to be told "W W W". This cranky old man hates everything new. If I could read the title TMSsharpFE I probably woudln't hate it as much. Though why they spelled out Tokyo Mirage Sessions but made Fire Emblem FE annoys me as well. What was wrong w/ SMTxFE, everybody gets "x". S M T x F E rhythmically rolls off the tongue. (or the tongue of that voice inside my head anyway) I know what "sharp" is, but when I see # it's hashtag. What happens on twitter when you write #TMS#FE? I think I need to go find out. ('m not only an old cranky guy, I'm a dirty old man, I need my twitter feed)
https://twitter.com/twitter/status/734048763040268288
I'm buying this game......but that video....the guy talking made me cringe He is 2 hip 4 m3?... D:
@DiscoGentleman
And Pound sign? Thought never even occurred to me until I re-read your post. Tokyo Mirage Sessions Pound F E. Oh sure, that's way better.
@DiscoGentleman "Nope" is for the present, "hope" is for the future.
@DiscoGentleman I should really not be finding that as amusing as I do. Oh that was so cringe, but so funny. The only way it could had been worse/better is if you attached desu at the end of every sentence (or just randomly in the middle).
@DiscoGentleman Just don't make it so bad that I need to commit sudoku.
@Alundra-1998 Real shame haha
@Wexter A favourite samurai pastime to be sure xD
Does anyone seriously care about this, like, at all?
@Maxz I've established I'm just not allowed to breathe.
Anyway, it's what I get for trying to give reasonable answers to any inquiries. @rjejr @JaxonH @DiscoGentlemen Hope you don't mind a 20yr old guy with a walking stick and sudden craving for JD joining the angry old guys while he recovers from surgery XD
@SMEXIZELDAMAN just wanted tolet you know, dear lord, that your avatar might be the most beautiful, confusing, dizzying and amusing thing I've ever had the chance to feast my eyes upon. Utter genius.
I'm not sure what everyone is talking about it sounded like almost every Let's Play I've listened to. In fact I had to double check Nintendo out this out because the narrator didn't sound like a generic bored white guy ala Xenoblade X.
I don't care who does the voice though they needed something like this out there. This is the first time I've really seen something on this game that made me think this looks cool.
lol. roflol. omg. omg. I can't stop laughing. lolololololol
(^. ^ )
People are complaining about the video? I think this says more of when certain people started playing games because I didn't think this sounded weird at all. It sounded normal and like a lot of the videos I see on youtube.
you want cringe-worthy? go look up 80's and 90's commercials. I still don't know how anyone sold anything back then. roflol.
It reminds me of that "Welcome to Kyrat" trailer for Far Cry 4 with the added cringe of the Super Smash Bros Amiibo ad
FFS....
It's a solid trailer for #FE in my opinion, except I cannot tell if that footage is representative of content that will be in the released product or if it has some content that has yet to be censored. It's hard to tell what will actually be in #FE once it releases, so I may not pick this one up.
@BLPs "while he recovers from surgery"
Liver transplant? Sorry to hear about your physical ailments, hope the surgery was a success.
@DiscoGentleman Do you Miitomo? Here's the Miifoto they gave me when I checked in today. You were the first person I thought of. I even tweeted in your honor.
https://twitter.com/bobmrik/status/734492797575782400
"No Zelda U in 2016, no NX at E3, but Nintendo is making a Zelda movie in house. Nope, no hope."
@rjejr
Nah liver is next. Surgery on my foot...kinda limping....But hey, the alcohol takes the physical pain of that away, and the everything else pain of being here. -.-
Ive been screwed over by idiots at university not working and blaming me, which hasn't helped my mental illness, probably going to fail, cant develop for Wii U anymore or with my original idea due to Sony bringing back the basis for that project and well....Wii U....and now I've been operated on. It's fun I swear to God.
@Syrek24 I'd like to deeply apologize, too. I had the completely wrong impression of you. I think as you can see, there are quite a few people here who are willing to support you, even if it can only be a little bit.
@Wexter I committed Sudoku, once. Brain Age told me to do it.
@DiscoGentleman If you talked like that every time a situation like this pops up, I think I'll be able to check off one of my desires in life: witness someone who normally wouldn't do so, make sarcastic and snarky weeb responses every time that hysteria ensues over hot topics.
@BulbasaurusRex your reliance on calling me a perv shows your ignorance, i don't care for censorship in any way shape or form. i'm an adult who can choose to see what ever i want. i don't like content being cut from the game, if the skimpy clothes weren't important then they never would have been made in the first place. at least i'm not weak like you who just buys whatever nintendo throws out there. i'll be playing person 5 uncut and once the final firmware for wii u is released i will jailbreak it and steal the original with a translation, i lose nothing and nintendo loses money. i am free to do as i like as i'm an adult, you'll grow up one day and learn this, until then stay protected from the real world, you obviously need it!
Play Nice.
~Dank
@Uncensored I hope this is a satire account because otherwise I just cannot take you seriously bae.
"i'll be playing person 5 uncut and once the final firmware for wii u is released i will jailbreak it and steal the original with a translation, i lose nothing and nintendo loses money. i am free to do as i like as i'm an adult"
Yep you are an adult. Good boy, here have a cookie and a grammar book.
PS. Capitalize your I's and learn to cut down on the run on sentences. And a company's name is... well a name, you should capitalize those too.
@PlywoodStick Dude, you do not want to dishonour Kawashima-sama.
After reading some of the comments, I have to ask. Is the trailer we just saw what we're getting? What's been taken out? Is this another Fire Emblem fiasco. (T-T )
Ugh, I'm getting so sick of all of this.
@Utena-mobile Nah it is just slight costume tweaks most of which are an improvement aesthetically.The worst thing that happened is they changed a dungeon to have standard modeling photos instead of swimsuit photos displayed on the walls, and the swimsuit DLC may not be coming to the west.
All in all, it is a rather normal localization.
Edit: and they aged the cast up a year. That one makes sense due to some child labour laws and modeling laws in some States.
*sigh
seems like Nintendo of America is at it again. I heard about the swimsuit dlc, which annoys the crap out of me. But at least it's not really taking anything from the gameplay.
Fire Emblem was worse because they DID take away some gameplay (among other things).
But the trailer looks like a lot of fun, and I did end up loving Birthright a lot...
I'll still buy the game. (o_O )
@Utena-mobile From what I can tell the changes are super minor. I would also look up the costume changes and be a judge of that yourself because I have friends who are professional artists who dig the Western designs a lot more. Mostly color balance and vocal point tweaks. Yeah, I do not think this will kill your enjoyment of the game. (I even dig Tsubasa's new tank top as that little dash of white on the torso ties it together a lot better for me personally)
The gameplay is the same and from what I can tell from my knowledge of Japanese the subtitles are rather faithful to what the characters are saying.
@Wexter I just looked up a few. yeah, I like most of the western designs too. I think they're better looking and have a lot more thought behind them than a bikini. I'm not sure how I feel about the dungeon being edited to not have swimsuit models though. This is a persona game, right? Persona games have always explored pretty deep social and psychological issues, and gravure swimsuit shots are something worth exploring.
I feel like it's kind of like the Xenoblade X censorship. I am totally for changing Lin's age and changing some of her clothes, but ugh, why go with such an ugly design? You win some, you lose some, I suppose.
Fire Emblem should have kept its mini game though, imo.
@Utena-mobile Yeah, I'm also annoyed about the dungeon change. I think this mostly came down to an age rating issue. Persona has historically been rated M in the west so it's allowed to get away with more as TMS is a T so it might limit what they are allowed to do. Not a huge fan of it, but I guess I can understand the logic if that was their reasoning. If that is not the reason, then I will just be baffled otherwise.
We may never find out what the reasoning was unless Atlus USA or NoA speak about it... which let's be honest will probably never happen.
@DiscoGentleman Do you have the twitter account with the strange Japanese sounding name? SoushokukeiDino (Well strange to me, probably makes sense in Japanese.) I just accepted it on my tablet thinking it might be you. Or one of the Suicide girls, I followed 1 of them and they all started following me.
@Syrek24 Interesting reply. I wish i was optimistic like you lol.And i will admit we do need some positivity around here especially on something like this which people blew out of proportion.
Oh and the reason i asked you that question. Cause i seen you attacked others for criticizing Nintendo while seeing you praise them ,which you already addressed in your last post.
Oh man...That kind of talk was cringeworthy in the 90's. Why do companies think that to appeal to "the kids" they have to talk like some caricature hip dude bro?
@DiscoGentleman "I am far from a suicide girl"
Yeah, just a tad, but you have a good sounding name for it. Not a good meaning name for it, but I didn't get around to searching Google until this morning. You are my 10th Miitomo friend, did that this morning too.
It will be interesting to see what some people will do when Persona 5 gets localized. Or "censored".
I have watched Did You Know Gaming? on Kingdom Hearts and they were going over localization changes, too. Like removing depictions of violence. I guess PS2 for kiddies confirmed, then?
And it's naive to think that you want the same, only translated. Even if you only translate it, it won't be the same anyway.
@clvr Thx, buddy This has been my avatar since time immemorial. I forget what lovely person made it for me, but their art has touched many souls and maybe caused a few seizures D:
@PlywoodStick but the problem is that it ruins the message it's trying to convey. I don't care how visually appealing it is. It's ruining what was supposed to be a social commentary on sexualisation of popular people especially if they're still in their teens.
@SamirMalik Ah, is that what it was about? Quite a topical discussion, and a bold one to take in a game. Then I guess the narrative also got censored... Because Nintendo is certainly not going to stir the proverbial pot by sending out such a societal critique in the celebrity obsessed USA. They don't have the guts to do that. It might even hit closer to home here than in Japan.
I think Wexter would also be interested in that info if it can be confirmed, since he himself said that narrative censorship is the point where he takes issue.
@DiscoGentleman
Yeah. Games also put additional limitations on you, like text has to fit into a box etc. If you're dubbing then there are even more limitations, because you have to synch the text with the lip movement.
What about jokes or wordplays? What about characters who speak in rhymes? You can't just translate those. Or are people going to tell me, that they would prefer it to just be translated, too, which means ruining the characterization?
If you want the game basically untouched, then there is no other option than playing the original.
@Xaessya They actually censored that in Japan as well.
"I'm an adult, I can do what I want, I'll just steal this game, I'm so edgy and grown up. Look at me". Sigh, I wonder how some people are able to operate a computer without hurting themselves.
The Wii U has exactly one JRPG so far, and that is XCX. This is the 2nd one we get and I sure won't pass on it because they removed some clothes during localisation. You wan't to see some real censorship? Look at the German version of Bulletstorm. They butchered the game with all the censoring. THAT is what affects gameplay, not some girls in bikinis. and that is coming from someone who always buys the summer clothes in the Tales of games.
Also, "I'll just play Persona 5 instead". Jokes on you, I'll play both, Persona 5 AND TMS, and laugh at you
I skipped the last chunk of comments so forgive me if this was already covered but I don't think not censoring stuff would lead to parents worrying more about nintendo. I mean how many parents of children who buy the more popular stuff even know about this game? It doesn't have a huge marketing campaign. All the same I'm not bothered because I don't get to see the swimsuits.
@DiscoGentleman Atlus is that kind of developer. They aren't SJWs. They like to challenge people's beliefs and thoughts. That's the kind of developer they are. They touched on idol culture before in Persona 4 when a idol character was forced to dawn multiple personalities to the point where that became her mental shield.
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