Pokémon may be child-friendly, but it isn't just played by kids - the series remains massively popular with players of all ages, even those who grew up with the Game Boy debut.
However, a fan-made version of the game is attempting to offer something a little more in tune with the daily lives of grown-up players. According to its developer, Pokémon Apex boasts adult dialogue, adult themes and increased difficulty, yet it retains the visual charm of the old-school Pokémon instalments and won't feature any sexual themes:
Pokémon Apex is developed with an adult Pokémon fan in mind. The game contains some adult dialogue (some swearing) and themes (death, abandonment), and some minor horror elements. Furthermore, the game is intended to be somewhat difficult, meaning that you will need to think about your strategies and make conscientious choices about your team in order to progress. Playing through the game haphazardly will get you into trouble.
Also, this game is for people who prefer to take their time in games to explore their environment and uncover hidden details. There are lots of small details hidden throughout the game, as well as secret areas and items that reward meticulous players.
The developer also sees Apex as a way of "solving" the problems they have with the core franchise, such as:
Low Difficulty: Most Pokémon games are geared towards younger audiences, meaning they are typically very easy to finish. Personally, I think Pokémon could benefit from a steeper difficulty curve. Apex will not be brutally difficult, but it will require players to make conscientious choices about their team and play style.
Poor balance: Core Pokémon games may seem well-balanced on the surface, but once you start digging into stats and movesets, it is clear that some Pokémon are way better than others. It is my belief that every Pokémon is entitled to a moveset that complements its stats and vice-versa. I intend to solve this problem by raising the base stat totals off all fully-evolved Pokémon to at least 400, as well as refining movesets to better reflect the play style of each Pokémon.
Characters are bland: Pokémon games always tend to follow the same tropes, and characters are very seldom interesting. I intend to solve this problem by giving the protagonist a voice and personality, as well as making characters seem as much like real people as possible instead of forcing each one into a character archetype. This includes the protagonist, rival, antagonists, and supporting characters. Characters will also experience development, showing their growth (or decline) over the course of the game.
Game structure is formulaic: Start in a small town, meet a tree-themed professor, get a fire/water/grass starter, get a PokéDex, defeat the eight gyms, defeat the bad guys, defeat the Elite Four, etc. You've done all this before. The same tired game structure is used in every core Pokémon game. I intend to solve this issue by introducing starters that do not fit the standard type wheel. Furthermore, progression through the game will revolve around opening up new areas. There will be no Gyms, nor Elite Four. Furthermore, instead of one singular storyline, there will be many sidequests and secret storylines to discover.
If that sounds interesting to you, then you can download and play Pokémon Apex on your PC here. Given that it has Pokémon in its title there's a good chance Nintendo will shut this project down in the future, so you if you're keen you might want to check it out sooner rather than later.
Making something mature doesn't instantly mean it's gonna be good but this looks interesting.
Why not make it its own thing? Putting Pokémon in the title just makes it feel forced and guarantees that it will be shut down.
Seriously, it has good ideas that would feel great in its own merit, but ultimately saying that it's a "mature" Pokémon sounds more like a bad April Fools.
I very much agree about low difficulty and unbalanced 'mons. I think there's no saving the characters and story of Pokemon games even with editing, though.
Ah. News is slow, I see.
I'll get it just in case Nintendo do shut this down! I'm not missing out on this interesting game!
Looks cool, I'll give it a try when I get the chance.
Yeah, it sounds like it's just going to be bad fanfic.
@allav866 We've always covered things like this - leftfield topics which relate directly to Nintendo.
We're not just a news site, I assumed that would be obvious to most by now, but perhaps not.
Oh God...I can see what they mean by formulaic and bland characters, but adult themes and dialogue...just no.
I personally thought Black and White did good at addressing some of the problem that the Apex team are annoyed about.
Complex themes (depending on what they are) and difficulty I get but why do things need to have swearing to be considered "adult"? If anything that is some what "childish" and a lack of or laziness to express your self in an intelligent manner.
"Adult" dialogue. Ha ha.
I intend to solve this issue by introducing starters that do not fit the standard type wheel.
Every damn time.
It's like people don't know why those types were picked. I bet the game features a Fighting-Psychic-Ghost triangle too. Or even worse, Psychic-Ghost-Dark.
Pokemon Edgy and Pokemon Mature.
A higher difficulty and more balanced Pokémon (although part of that issue is that Game Freak is more interested in movesets that make sense for the design rather than what is most balanced) sound good; but the repetative structure hasn't ever bothered me, while including adult dialogue and themes and horror elements is something I really don't want in the series.
Now I don't see any hope of it ever happening, but something I would like to see is a streamlined training experience by getting rid of unnecessary and complicated elements like Natures, EVs, trade evolutions, Pokémon Amie, and Super Training.
Erm, can we have this in GBA/DS ROM form pls, like the rest of the custom PKMN games so we can play it on our GBA/DS emulators.
He's so gonna get sued and it's so gonna get pulled for copyright infringement tho.
I gotta say they're pretty spot on at pin pointing some of the key 'problems' with the series. It's hard for me to say they're flat out problems all things considered but I definitely agree with them.
The adult themes and dialogue just seem unnecessary to me, because whilst they seem to be making this out as just a "mature" version of pokemon, people are missing the other changes they have made, which all sound fantastic. The games do need to be more difficult (maybe they should give us more difficulty options in the game), the characters and story are pretty bland, and the game has become VERY formulaic. So those changes are brilliant, and things that I think Gamefreak should actually consider. But the swearing and mild horror elements? Pointless
I've been wanting a darker toned more adult themed pokemon game.
I agree with the difficulty, but that can be solved by just giving us a hard mode.
As for the protaginist, s/he's supposed to be silent. The trainer is a representation of you in that world.
As for the story, I don't understand why people love story in pokémon. Really the less story, the better.
@BranJ0 Yeah, it's not something that appeals to me. But I guess if you're in charge of a fan game, you're going to want to sort of 'design it in your own image', and if that's what the designers are into then... well, I guess they're allowed their 'artistic licence'.
It'll certainly affect their audience, although who knows, perhaps there's significant demand for a Pokemon Edgy Version.
I am reminded of Pokémon Evoas... regarding the 'possible C&D' issue...
@Neon_Blues Less story, more lore if you ask me. That said, the lore has been pretty lacking for a while now. Everything feels like a distilled Johto. At least Kanto had the weird cloning experiments that helped distanced its tone from future installments.
I've never been a fan of adult reimaginings of things, as that always assumes the originals lack charm just for being accessible to kids. I mean, kids can enjoy UP but that doesn't mean adults can't do the same. Has anyone seen EarthBound's "Halloween Hack" by Toby Fox, the same mind behind Undertale? Look up its final boss and check out his dialogue. Now tell me if that sounds more like an adult or like a kid trying to sound like an adult. (I know Fox was later ashamed of those very lines of dialogue.) What points have been addressed?
Low Difficulty? The Battle Frontier and the Pokémon World Tournament say hi, wise guy.
Poor balance? Sure, there are Pokémon indeed weaker than others (sorry, Elite Four Karen), but the competitive scene isn't quite a "Fox only" kind of thing. There are plenty of pogeys to choose from. Not that I care about IV-centric stuff anyway.
Characters are bland? "Same tropes"? Crap, it's a deconstruction. (And I can already see, and fear, the day Tv Tropes finds out about this game, because the site loves deconstruction as a whole, despite the amount of unpleasant storylines deconstruction leads to.) Bottom-line, I sense the game exploring "real-life consequences" of storytelling devices (that is, tropes) showing a Pokémon accidentally killing his trainer "because those beasts would be weapons in real life, ooh!", or maybe a guy doing drugs when far from home because "ooh, a kid on his own would only break the rules, blah blah blah". Narutaru already ripped the "mon" formula a new one a few years ago. It's really hard to make something more adult without being either too mean-spirited or outright parodistic. Few works in fiction managed to figure out an adult-ification in a way that works. When you go too far, you either get Robot Chicken or Ren Seeks Help from Ren And Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon. When you do it right you get Rick & Morty, Satoshi Kon's Paprika or other similarly brilliant stuff. Besides, you can't adultify Pokémon more than Pokémon Colosseum and its sequel already kind of did. Want to go into mainline stuff? Sure, check out Ghecis from Pokémon Black And White or the villain (won't spoil) from Pokémon X and Y. Both know that Pokémon can be weapons and try to exploit it. Pokémon has a Nightmare Fuel tab on Tv Tropes and there's enough stuff to prove there's room for messed-up things. As long as those are not everything you're about. Besides... there are pretty bad fan games out there. I mean, Pokémon Snakewood. If you want a game that's close to casting a dark shadow on the series in an almost correct way, check out Pokémon False Red. That one had an interesting premise (although the final surprise, while functional to the plot, keeps the game from working on a practical level). And if you want a modern-day-themed JRPG that does a dark story while keeping a cutesy art style... and I can see other NLers nodding at the following sentence... just play MOTHER 3.
Game structure is formulaic? Now that's a complaint I can quite agree on. A Pokémon game without Gym Leaders and Pokémon League is an interesting idea on its own right. That said, it's not like that formula has never been broken. For instance, Pokémon Black And White's first ending credits don't follow the Pokémon League. In Pokémon X and Y, a town gets so messed up by the villainous team, it's never returned to its original state. We could go on and on.
Besides, while I can accept the noble intention of creating a Pokémon game for adult Pokémon fans, the idea of doing so in order to "fix" the series sounds an awful lot like entitlement to me. And I'm usually the guy who sounds entitled around here.
Or we could just go with @DiscoGentleman's comment and call it a day, as it sums up most of my thoughts in two words.
Although it's an interesting idea worth of being developed further (if allowed), i don't think that Pokèmon needs adult themes. About the gameplay/flow i can agree, it has become as formulaic as they get (to the point i, formerly a fan of the series, grew very tired of rethreading the same path over and over with minor changes).
But one thing i think Pokèmon needs to keep is what gave birth to it in the first place: the wonder of going out of town for a small adventure catching bugs as a child.
If i'm not mastaken, in the words of the creator himself, Pokèmon was his wish to go back to those countryside memories of his, not a single worry in the world.
So while i can relate to a desire to see a darker, more complex Pokèmon, i also think there are plenty of opportunities to find that feeling in other titles without having to take away the joyous simplicity of the original idea.
I wish people would spend less time making fan games, and take those ideas and coding/programming/art/level design abilities to make their own original games. There's no benefit from making a fan game - you cannot profit off of your hard work in any way, and it has a big chance of being shut down completely. Why risk that when you can make something original?
As far as bringing swearing and horror and mature themes into Pokemon, no. Just don't. There are games and worlds where that works. Pokemon is not one. They have some neat ideas for gameplay balance and the formula, but again - better to use that stuff in your own game, rather than a fan game. Fan games can be neat, but they are ultimately a completely waste of time and talent, and it's always disappointing to see potential game designers wasting away on them (especially when they almost never turn out even sniffing at the quality of the games they're based on)
Seems neat. I'll have to download this pronto.
"No Gyms or Elite Four"
Also giving it an adult theme and making it more difficult won't make it "better". That just raises the rating from " E for Everyone " to "T for Teens 15+".
I like the idea. The child like story always was a downside of playing Pokémon games in my opinion.
I dig the idea of this, and will be following it. Ive always enjoyed a well done rom hack of a Pokemon game. The best ive encountered is probably Pokemon Brown, which is a great hack of the Gen1 games.
I don't understand why people are getting mad about a more mature themed Pokemon game. It's just a different, unofficial take on a series that most of us know and love. Personally, I enjoy the chance at higher difficulty and different themes, especially since the series has somewhat weakened in recent years. Although X&Y were enjoyable.
But... Pokemon Reborn.
I highly disagree with with how they see Pokemon's problems. It's like they don't even know Pokemon to the core.
Characters? The game can do so much, the anime and manga does it for us. Balance? Is this a joke? You're making a fan version, it doesn't bloody matter. And by removing Gyms, and Elite Four's, you eliminate the reason why people train Pokemon, why character's venture and even have Pokemon, the importance of the battling entertainment.
Why live in this world?
Taken from the gif on kotaku's page:
"Whenever the class is ready, we will resume our coverage of the metaphor of death in Shakespeare's Hamlet."
Yawn, my interest has hit absolute zero. Oh and Pokemon are actually demons! Boredom on top of boredom. How about an original idea?
@flummerfelt I think people are eye-rolling because it's that it's not "mature." It's just edgy dark themes with swearing, which arguably makes it skew even YOUNGER than the main series.
Fan games are made as either an homage or an experiment. Even then, I find the creation of fan games for the sole purpose of restructuring the original series with all that time and effort absolutely wasteful and useless. Time is a precious resource after all.
They should just put all that creativity into making a profitable product rather than a doomed one.
Well I guess depending on your outlook original Pokemon dialogue such as: "I like feisty kids like you!" and "I came when I heard you beat the Elite Four." could be considered adult.
I'm watching a "first 25 minutes" video.
To clarify, it's made clear since the beginning your parents are divorced, you attend a class about Hamlet, your character talks about "how's it like to have both your parents around?" to your girl-next-door rival, the two of them sneak into an abandoned house where they find a Pokédex, the day later a cloaked figure is heard swearing like a sailor over the loss of the very same device, you follow him, he sics his Blaziken on you when cornered, another one outright sedates you with his Vileplume's sleep powder and THEN you're finally offered your starters by another villainous team member: a Cacnea, a Baltoy, and a Croagunk.
Yep, these fan projects meant to "fix" the metagame actually make me even more hyped about Sun and Moon, the actual, "formulaic" Pokémon game.
I oughta say that the first town's music does manage to unleash the one feeling of "older fans' nostalgia" the creator of the game is after, so credit where it's due.
It will be taken down in 3, 2, 1...
"Given that it has Pokémon in its title there's a good chance Nintendo will shut this project down in the future, so you if you're keen you might want to check it out sooner rather than later."
LOL, have you seen the amount of Pokemon fan sites that charge for various features and are still up and fine for YEARS now? Just because Youtube shut that one guy down doesn't mean that things like this get immediately taken down. In fact, Pokemon seems to not be affected by this as much as a lot of other Nintendo franchises, if you've looked closely enough...Even non-rom games like this one have had like no contesting by Nintendo whatsoever...
Why do people say Mature and adult when they mean juvenile and
High school is not the peak of maturity.
adding adult language would make me not want to play it.
but if game freak made it sadly I'd buy and play.
What's hilarious is that there's already a game that addresses some of these problems. It's called Pokemon Reborn.
@Uberchu Specially when "adult language" just means swear words
I was thinking the same thing. Pokemon Reborn has harder difficulty, better characters, more interesting story, and lots of other stuff like the field effects compared to the main games. I'm going to stick to playing Pokemon Reborn.
How about just design your new game instead of "fixing" someone elses that's just going to get a C&D order anyway.
I like your post, great points, but you REALLY need to insert some paragraphs, my friend.
Walls of text are never easier to read than a well-spaced story.
@WireWare The case will probably be they're using Pokemon Essentials in RPG Maker XP, meaning the framework is already up and running. There's a lot of Pokemon Essential fan projects out there because the fact that it uses RPG Maker means it can only play on Windows, which apparently means Nintendo doesn't care as much about it; on top of that you start off with a running game engine, you just need to tweak things around.
Aiming to be mature but still lookin' kiddy af
Yeah, I totally oughta work on that.
@Damo PokéMon mods/fangames are always made, like fanfictions on DeviantArt. I don't see what makes this one anymore special.
So basically every Pokemon rom hack ever.
Yeah, the last time I saw someone trying to make a game series more "mature", we got Shadow the Hedgehog. No thanks.
Wasn't 'mature' pokemon 'pokemon conquest'?
I tried giving it a go, but problems start (and there are many) with the fact that the game introduces itself with chapters and you begin in a friggin long and slow prologue.
It's boring and slow and uninteresting. Getting into the 'game' takes far too long. You can't go into other houses or buildings because you're given a specific goal, so you're unable to explore. I can see why GF don't do so heavily on dialog story and chapters, it would ruin their games.
Characters look boring so there's no charm to designs. Dialog is uncreative at times and the rudeness is unnecessary (some charming dialog here and there).
And finally, after finishing the prologue and getting into Chapter 1, I died (an overpowered critical hit from full health) and then I proceed to respawn and let the text go by, but instantly met a bug that prevented me from moving, pauses, anything, afterwards.
It's not hard to proof check a scenario where a player falls in the first area for bugs.
And I didn't save. I guess you can blame that on me, but I don't want to waste 1 hour again.
Nintendolife, why are you promoting, and linking to, an illegal game..? :/
While I understand and can appreciate the point the devs of this are trying to make, I cannot understand why they couldn't just do it with an original game of their own.
Actually, I can... Because that'd be actual honest effort, and it's easier to take advantage of (hugely popular) stuff that already exists. :/
Why don't they make it super mature, like forgetting where your car keys are, not remembering your Grand Pokémon's names, and using your Pokémon to chase kids off your lawn
I'm the only talkative loon around here, capeesh?
To those saying this isn't allowed, I am pretty sure pokemon hacks are allowed as long as they do not include the current gen, hence why stuff like Pixelmon has not been shut down.
@Maxz with their sequels Pokémon Grim and Pokémon Dark
well, it's not that it's special, or doing anything unique. anyone with rpg maker and a love of Pokemon can make a Pokemon game. but very few ever bother finishing their games or even going past the concept phase.
So websites like to report on works that show promise, or have been completed because not only can they be enjoyed and appreciated by other fans (opinions may vary) but compared to the unfinished projects, are actually kind of rare.
While we're plugging Pokemon fan projects, here's something I made earlier. It's really dark and edgy and contains adult themes and swearing and stuff, because Pokemon needs to remind us of the darkness and edginess in ourselves:
It's just bleeps and bloops. Demure bleeps and docile bloops. Nothing to worry about. It gets a rating of E for Everybody and Their Cat.
At first I was hesitant about the whole "Adult, Edgy" theme in regards to Pokemon. Then I saw how they want to improve certain aspects of the gameplay and mechanics of the Pokemon games and consider me intrigued. Pokemon inbalance is a big thing that put me off playing the game competitively or battling with friends as I couldn't use my favourite pokemon without being wiped out in one shot by Tyranitar, Garchomp, Legendaries etc. Might give this game a shot and see if they can deliver.
The problem with pokemon isn't necessarily the lack of a mature "tone" but rather just a lack of depth in general in regards to plot and characters. Tastes vary as to how much is really necessary in the first place though.
This is a bit extreme though. Part of the story is literally set in "hell".Pokemon are likened to demons and there's an angsty feel that feels weird because we've no reason to relate to it other than "this must be how teens talk nowadays". Having a silent MC at least doesn't force a perspective on you that you can't relate to. The issue is how much of yourself you can really put into a silent protag.
Also the choice in starter mons is .... disappointing to say the least. Interesting, yet disappointing. There's a reason these weren't heavily marketed, they aren't meant to fill the starter roll. Plus it feels like there's overlap in the choice because two of the three mon are found in the Hoenn desert...
It's certainly different and interesting to the point. However the approach being taken has problems too.
I'll keep an eye on it though until I feel its too edgy to go on.
@Utena-mobile Fair enough. This edgey PokéMon game may not be my style, but having an older protagonist is something I've wanted in PokéMon for a long time. It's bad enough that Ash is always ten, I'd like to have the in-game protagonist be older.
@Marce2240 Fighting-Flying-Rock would be the ideal triangle.
@Gerbwmu my kind of game
The download doesn't seem to work right. Just keeps resetting itself.
Tried it, didn't like it. Clearly too much swearing, and too much "edge" for me. The story sounds more like a SMT game at first than Pokémon. Just not for me, doesn't mean it's bad.
@Joenen There are two kinds of ways to make a kids franchise more 'edgy'.
First is to actually consider in depth what types of problems that can happen in said gaming world that is comparable with the real world, and try to adapt these themes in ways that makes sense with the game world's rules. This is what I like about the Pokemon Adventures manga and Pokemon Reborn Fangame. They're darker than the source material, but it's well thought out.
Then there's being dark and edgy for the sake of being dark and edgy, and from you description, that's what this is. Along with other games like Shadow the Hedgehog, Bomberman Zero, and while controversial, I feel the same towards the DC Cinematic Universe. They take something once aimed at children, and add a bunch of edgy things in today pop culture and market towards adult.
Sooo... They're taking away everything that differentiates pokemon from SMT? Yeeeeaah no. Pokemon doesn't need to be "Edgy" It's pokemon for Arceus' sake! I wish people would stop thinking tha "Enjoyable by Adults" means "Dark and Edgy with random Swearing."
They claim to be "Fixing" Pokemon, by taking away the very things that make it Pokemon. Just make up some new creatures and release it as a real game instead.
If a fan-game uses "mature themes" and "swearing" as it's main point, you can tell it won't be good. I suspect this will be no better than your average fanfic- unnecessary swearing in every sentence. The "horror" will most likely be akin to a Lavender Town creepypasta too. What exactly is wrong about current Pokémon's subtle horror themes? Do they HAVE to be more in-your-face about it?
This could be good. A more edgier game could work for a fan game or a spin-off, but I can't see a main series pokemon game being that great if it's full of mature content.
Still, I loved Pokemon Colosseum, Lavender Town and Cubone's Mother, and the story in Black and White. Anything more edgy than these could risk losing the sense of innocence the main games have.
Might be willing to give it a try. Not going to expect much simply based on how pretentious "adult dialogue" sounds.
I remember seeing this opinion expressed before on this site but I'd like to see Pokemon take the route of Fire Emblem Fates. Have one version for veterans who want a challenge and another for those who just want to enjoy the game without worrying about it being too difficult.
@Marakuto Nope. The types aren't NVE against themselves. Grass>Fire>Water is the only "complete" triangle.
Other than that, Fire>Rock>Steel is another one that works following your criteria. There's another one involving Rock>Ground>Ice, but this one is even more flawed due to the uneven resistances.
I fail to see how adding swearing makes something more "mature." A potty mouth is usually a sign of IMmaturity. I don't think a truly mature adult is going to complain because of tasteful dialogue.
They talk about tropes and whatever, and yet they did excatly what they are against - a trope. Of "mature". You can't get more generic with mature with things like horror and swearing. They even do topics that are already a dead horse in gaming ages ago.
That's what happens to franchises when tweens want to make them "betterer".
Imagine if companies were listening to twats like them. Craptastic games like Sanic 2006 would be major titles.
I hope Nintendo will slam it hard.
@Marce2240 What about Flying>Fighting>Rock?
"Pokémon games always tend to follow the same tropes, and characters are very seldom interesting. I intend to solve this problem by giving the protagonist a voice and personality"
See, that sucks. There's a reason protagonists in games like this often don't have voices or personalities - they're supposed to represent the player.
I know not everyone will agree with me, but I'd much rather play my RPGs as a Skyrim-like avatar than as a character who I may or may not sympathise with, such as, say, Geralt of Rivia.
"Poor balance: Core Pokémon games may seem well-balanced on the surface, but once you start digging into stats and movesets, it is clear that some Pokémon are way better than others. It is my belief that every Pokémon is entitled to a moveset that complements its stats and vice-versa. I intend to solve this problem by raising the base stat totals off all fully-evolved Pokémon to at least 400, as well as refining movesets to better reflect the play style of each Pokémon."
Yeah, he thinks he's "solving a problem" here, but by doing so he is violating some pretty important rules of collectible game design. A good read to understand why (relating specifically to another game, but with ideas that should be broadly true) is this: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-revisited-2012-10-22
Basically, by making every pokémon powerful, he's removing the player's ability to pay attention and discover which ones are actually good and which aren't. Again, bad game design.
On behalf of everyone under 12, and over 18 - no thanks 😉
Made a start on this and wow, it's great
@ricklongo I wouldn't chalk it up to bad game design so much as simply missing the point of Pokemon. The fact that "legendary Pokemon" have been emphasized since the inception of the series should tell people all they need to know.
That being said though, making some of the bottom of the barrel Pokemon more viable for use is still a pretty good endeavor. I have experience with messing around with Pokemon stats in rom hacks myself, and it is quite fun being able to say Pokemon like Seaking, Ledian, Raticate, etc. are actually good and fun to use.
@ricklongo I agree here, you have a point.
What separates Pokemon from other RPGs with silent protagonists is the multitude of ways you can play the game. Having a character to reflect yourself on AND having each playthrough of the game being slightly different is a good combo.
Giving the player a voice in Pokemon gives me a sour taste. It's not me beating up bad guys and becoming the very best anymore, it's the guy I'm playing as.
@GoomyLife It gives me a bad taste when fangames have 'more mature' as a feature. Not that I don't mind swearing in a Pokemon fangame, but if it's just a test to see how many swears you can make in a conversation, then no thanks.
If they wanted to show how mature their game is, they would do better by bringing up points an actual mature gamer would want rather than just calling it 'Mature'. Things like worldbuilding, suggestive themes that don't feel forced, and in-depth gameplay elements not found in the source material would be examples of things older gamers would want to their childhood franchise (Shameless Pokemon Reborn promotion). Not saying this game did the worst job of advertising that, but it could do better.
Yeah this doesn't appeal to me but more power to em.
Let me guess, Nintendo will get blame for shutting this too.
I tried it, and I found it ungodly slow-paced, the dialog felt forced, and I felt myself unbelievably bored after a short while.
yeah, I've always wondered, why people think that something mature, in this case, a video game, means violence, blood, strong / rude dialogues, etc .; if that is more immature, childish than mature?
For me, "Mature games" is just an idea, a nonsense word that it's very badly known and really this causes problems in discussions like this ... ; But, oh well...
Pro Tip: ("M" in ESRB mean that is for "Mature Public", "No" Mature Game)
This article just made me more nostalgic about the orre region games, they were different, you didn't go for the gyms or champion, your starter was an eevevolution, the games were harder on the premise that your only choice of pokemon were pokemon usually people don't use, the evil syndicate felt evil xD, and....well I played it when I was a teen so maybe I'm biased xD
First off, I rebuke anyone who claims that employing "cussing" (as I've called "swearing") represents immaturity to shove it up their @$$. Adults cuss, and especially adults caught up in situations that are most suitably consumed by a matured person, situations like domestic violence, or street-level organized crime, or you name the less-than-savory situation.
However, I do agree that conflating "mature dialogue" with "now featuring F-bombs!" does indicate, if not a lack of understanding the concept, then not relaying understanding of it. As basic as Pokeymans dialogue has been, there have been heavy situations or poignant concepts brought forth in the official games. "Mature dialogue", then, would be not tailoring it with kid gloves, but bringing across a more natural lexicon according to the characters, their backgrounds, their current situations, and the target audience's familiarities.
Like @SakuraHaruka put it, "'M' in ESRB mean that is for 'Mature Public'." I have downloaded this fangame, but have yet to figure how it holds as entertainment for a not-so-squeamish adult.
Reading the website the games villains are a dark cult who want to destroy the world(s) and Pokemon are demons...right off the bat I think they've completley bungled it.
A generic evil dark cult and the Pokemon being demons is the sign the game won't be mature. In a series where the villains have largely exploited what are treated as animals/friends/etc and the population. A "I want to destroy the world...because my cult says so" would be the most juvenile.
I think it's more thoughtful to have a story where the villains manipulate, exploit what in that world is considered good(Pokemon). A villain like Ghetsis who manipulates and plays with the feelings of the Unova region through the message he sends(liberating Pokemin) while deceptively exploiting people sympathetic with the message within his own team and the populace and ultimately planning to exploit even that to take over himself when he's the only one with Pokemon.
Playing the download a little bit it's pretty hamfisted, in the same room that the main character and their Father talk about the divorce there's a NPC talking about how another scientist went blind due to spilling Hydrochloric Acid in his eyes due to not wearing goggles. The cloaked badguy has atleast one swear word in every line of dialogue.
Not to mention fact the main character has dialogue and is a high school student honestly gives me a bigger disconnect between being an adult and the player character being a child than the standard Pokemon games do.
I think there's an irony here about it being "Pokemon for adults" when I think this would be the sort of thing I would have liked about 10/11 years ago when I was a young teenager.
So Black and White?
@Luffymcduck Yeah, The list of on the mark criticisms pointing to pokemons laundry lists of problems it refuses to adress is enough to interest anyone....
But pointing out a problem is not the same thing as adressing it. This is basically pokemon revamped by the worst generation, full of moronic story, cringeworthy dialog, bad design, and general "Gamer" garbage that has pretty much completely destroyed videogames over the past decade.
For anyone (Everyone) Who really wishes something like this could happen that isnt complete garbage like this, I suggest you guys find a way to check out the Game Boy Color game Magination. It already did happen, and although it obviously can't rip off the actual pokemon itself... Its pretty dang great.
Tons of monsters to capture and use, five at a time fights, plenty of exploration, adventure style design, great dungeons legendary monsters to find... Multiple endings... depending on actual player actions... Good stuff.
While I am in favor of adding difficulties to Pokemon games, almost everything else in this ROM hack kinda falls flat. So like almost all Poke ROM hacks, there's swearing and some creepy themes and stuff you would see from a Pokemon creepypasta. Most of the swearing and 'adult' themes you find in these hacks seem so forced and it fails for the most part. I do like some of the scary/horror elements, as long as it makes sense. Which, some ROM hackers have done well
As for Pokemon being demons, lol that just seems lazy and adapted right from SMT. The dark cult just sounds like if they combined the bad guys/Team whatever with the ghost trainers that you fight in the haunted areas.
I think this could've done more justice if it was something completely original and not just a Pokemon ROM hack. I myself love both Pokemon and SMT for the same and different reasons. However, trying to take too many elements from SMT and applying it to Pokemon just doesn't mesh. A new IP that borrows from both could work.
@Malakai See #83
shofu play this game
I was interested by the idea. The concept of tweaking the old formula to introduce new elements for the audience that's been playing since the original Red/Blue GB days (or Red/Green depending on your region I guess) including me is a bit different since I've never played a PokeRom hack before.
But the real problem for me is, Pokemon games are mobile. They're somewhat simplified RPGs because that suits the format, anything overly complex will lose a bit of that "pick up and play" appeal unless you're logging several hours a day every day, which as an adult isn't always possible. I was excited because if this had been a GBA/DS/3DS rom hack I could have grabbed it and run it on my softmodded 3DS (menuhax/rxtools with emuNAND) so it could have sat comfortably next to my other versions on the same SD cards, namely GBA FireRed/LeafGreen, DS HeartGold/SoulSilver and 3DS X/Y. But it can't, because it's a PC game, so I can't easily do that. This makes it too niche to be worth considering.
Normally I stick up for fangames, but this sounds like something I would have tried to make when I was twelve.
@Marce2240 Post uses an unnecessary and undescriptive term. What is the heck is NVE?
@Malakai Google is your friend.
@Marce2240 You are so lazy you can't even type "Not Very Effective" to clarify a point that you brought up?
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