The New 3DS has been something of an interesting experiment for Nintendo. Releasing a mildly upgraded version of the same hardware partly through a generation seemed like a cool idea, but it hasn't really been utilized much. Aside from a small handful of exclusives and some improved performance in select games, the extra power under the hood has gone mostly unused. Fortunately, a fan has figured out a way to use the advanced hardware in a way that Nintendo obviously never intended.
A Redditor by the name of Yangumasuta has developed some custom firmware for the 3DS that includes the option to wirelessly stream video to PC. Ordinarily, capturing footage from a 3DS requires a fairly unwieldy process of using other physical hardware, so it's nice to see that something like this can be implemented on the software level. Naturally, the firmware is in its earliest stages and has the potential to brick consoles that have it installed, but perhaps Nintendo might take note and improve video capture on the NX. Here's a video of it in action, where Fire Emblem Fates gets streamed:
What do you think? Would you like to see something like this implemented in an official capacity? Drop us a comment in the section below.
[source reddit.com, via destructoid.com]
Wished Nintendo would actually do or allow this...I'm not stupid, I'd like to keep my 3DS.
This should be standard anyway.People should share videos on their games it is free advertising.Prepare for update soon to block it.
This would probably be enough to actually make me get a New 3DS XL (just releasing a standard version would be enough, I'm not fond of the larger version). I doubt that Nintendo would support this though, considering their stance on Youtube. I'm also afraid that if they did implement it, they would essentially force you to be a part of their program to stream or upload videos. It would be an awesome feature though (and far better than sending it to someone to get it modded).
hopefully video capture on NX will be a thing, and if this is possible, maybe they can update the 3DS to have it. I've wanted to start a channel on YouTube and/or Twitch for a long time now
I didn't even realize this until now, but neither the Wii U nor 3DS has any sort of native game streaming. Seems so archaic when I can just tap the share button on my PS4.
I would totally do this if my 3DS was in no danger; I love mine a lot!
VERY interesting. At the very least if Nintendo opt to never make this official then once the 3DS's true successor comes along and they cease 3DS updates, then this should be okay to do.
What sounds good is that if it gets better and gets somewhere near perfect FPS, you could play your game on a bigger screen by connecting your PC to your HDTV.
Mildly upgraded hardware? The New 3DS is a whole lot more than just a "mild" upgrade. The 3D effect is significantly better, the new processor is like four times faster, and system memory has been doubled. There aren't many games exclusive to it that would fully justify its existence, but it's a big upgrade nonetheless. The improved 3D effect by itself was enough of an upgrade to convince me to buy it.
Oh, and... neat article
And this is why hacking your 3DS isn't the biggest sin in the galaxy unlike what most people on here thinks. I can see this being super helpful for people who don't want to buy a $100+ capture card just to show off some 3DS gameplay. Too bad it's kinda laggy, but I'm sure it'll get fixed up in the future.
@CHET_SWINGLINE Yeah, that's true. I guess I'm just not sold on its power until I see a game that takes full advantage of it. Xenoblade was impressive, but I don't consider that a sizable jump from what was possible on 3DS.
Wow, a feature like this would get me to finally make the upgrade. When I updated my PC to Windows 10, and I realized it came with the game DVR feature, I was hooked! Being able to go to the HOME menu and hitting a button to save the last few minutes of gameplay, and maybe even share it to Miiverse, would be amazing!
This is a sweet hack. How does it connect wirelessly? 3DS doesn't exactly have bluetooth, so, LAN I guess?
@CHET_SWINGLINE The improved 3D alone was also enough to get me to buy it.
@MintFox Likely WiFi, which means playing online would affect it even further, imo.
Now I wonder if this is using the OS portion of the 2nd core or using a different core. If the latter, then it could affect the n3DS-only and n3DS-enhanced games.
Yes! I have a nice big tv in my living room that I would love to stream my N3DS games to! I know the graphics might not look the best but I would definitely be willing to put up with that for the comfort of playing on a larger screen.
The framerate is pretty horrible by the looks of it. I hate to think about how much lag this would introduce. Really, this is neat but only as a novelty, not as something you'd want. Maybe their next portable will have significantly improved wireless and maybe then we can talk about this being an official thing.
Umm, no. The New 3DS isn't "4x" more powerful than the original. It just has twice the number of CPU cores which removes the CPU as a bottleneck for some titles. For a lot of other titles it's still the GPU that's holding it back which they didn't upgrade.
@MitchVogel No, I totally hear you on that. It's a shame that the system isn't being put to better use, but I think Nintendo has bigger things on their agenda right now.
@skywake Ummmmmm I never said it was "4x more powerful." I said the cpu is "like four times faster" which, even if I weren't exaggerating my point a little, is not the same as "the entire system is 4x more powerful."
The original 3DS cpu maxed out at around 400mhz, but that was its extreme limit, and it didn't hit that very often. The new 3DS has a quad-core processor that can easily reach over 800mhz. And with more than twice the ram of the original 3DS, it blows the old model out of the water. The gpu is pretty much the same, so it's not as great of an increase in raw power as it could be, but yeah, the New 3DS is just significantly faster and more powerful than the original 3DS. Sorry if that makes you feel bad in some way or offends you on some strange personal level, but I'm not inventing this information.
@MC808 I honestly think it makes a huge difference. The 3D effect just broke too easily on the old model, in my opinion. The slightest deviation from the ideal viewing angle and I'd lose it. It's an entirely different story for me on the new model.
@CHET_SWINGLINE Yeah absolutely. Words can't convey how much of an improvement it truly is. I literally NEVER turn the 3D off now. It's been an absolute revelation. lol
Now if only they'd release the smaller white version with the candy buttons here in NA.....
Just to clear some things up. The o3DS's CPU is a dual-core, clocked at 268Mhz. The n3DS's CPU is a quad-core, clocked at 804Mhz (3x the clock frequency of the o3DS). The OS on each utilizes ~188Mhz of the 2nd core (~70% on the o3DS, ~23.3% on n3DS). The 4th core on the n3DS is reserved for the super-stable 3D.
@CHET_SWINGLINE yeah what sold me was the processor. Also when I closed games like smash Bros and mh4U it would restart the system and it got rather annoying fast. But I find the newer version way better and a complete improvement!
I wasn't "offended" by what you said I was just laying out the facts. You were the one who got all worked up when the article said the New 3DS was a "mildly upgraded" 3DS. Which it is.
2x the system RAM, 60% more VRAM and a quad core 268Mhz arm chip rather than a dual core one. Same GPU, same screen resolution, same everything else. So I think the article is right to call it a "mild" upgrade.
It's really kinda like the GameBoy Color or DSi of this generation.
@skywake I'll just leave this here for you to read through. There's nothing I can say to prove to you that I'm anything other than a random nobody on the internet, but Eurogamer's technical prowess is beyond dispute, so if you don't trust them as a source then I just can't take you seriously.
All Nintendo had to do was release a 3DS Player for Wii U and we probably wouldn't even need this.
@MitchVogel Yeah, I agree with that. Personally though, as a kid that grew up with the original Game Boy, that brightly colored screen on the Color was a revelation!
@skywake Just in case you don't feel like reading the Eurogamer's article, here are a couple of key quotes:
Of course it comes down to semantics, but I'm inclined to agree with the opinion that the New 3DS is a significant upgrade.
Nothing they said I've disagreed with. As others have said it's more of a DSi or GBC level upgrade and the article you linked to says the same. It's not nothing but certainly not significant compared to a "real" upgrade. If they want to call it "significant" they can, I just don't agree with them.
The jump from the GB to the GBA was like going from the NES to the SNES. The jump from the GB to the GBC was pretty trivial by comparison. Ignoring the obvious improvements to the screen. Look at the port of DKC on the GBC, it's looks a lot more like DKL than it does the DKC port on the GBA. It's the same deal with the New 3DS.
@skywake No one is even remotely claiming that the differences between 3DS and New 3DS amount to an actual leap to next-generation hardware. This conversation isn't even about that. It's about whether or not the new 3DS is a significant same-generation hardware REVISION, not as a next-gen hardware REPLACEMENT.
The Game Boy to GBA leap felt like going from NES to SNES because that is precisely what it was. Game Boy Advance was no more a Game Boy than the SNES was an NES, or than the Wii U was a Wii. Those machines represented a jump to an entirely new generation, so of course the differences were more pronounced. New 3DS is not that. It's not an attempt to replace last-gen hardware with next-gen hardware, it's a hardware revision. And in that very specific context, it is a significant upgrade.
@CHET_SWINGLINE You forgot to say "and the same bad resolution".
I have both the original and New 3DS, and that always puts a frown on my face.
@andrew20 It's custom firmware. It can't be blocked (Unless the user updates the entrypoint in order to launch CFW)
Ok, lets just agree to that then. In the context of mid-generation upgrades the New 3DS is a significant upgrade. Outside of that context? It's a 3DS with less bottlenecks.
This actually makes a lot of sense for a hack. I'd actually welcome such a feature. All future handheld consoles, should have this as standard.
The PS Vita dev kits has the ability to play on the TV but it was oddly removed from the retail version. The original 3DS I believe can be modded at great expense to do it, so I see no reason why they don't allow it.
@retro_player_22 I'd be down for something like this, but it may need to be an eShop download that streams a local n3DS to the Wii U. But, as pointed out, that may muck with WiFi online play, but could the Wii U handle that side? And how would Miiverse be implemented?
I must be getting old because I never really gotten all this streaming and sharing it seems so redundant and pointless.
To people complaining about Nintendo not releasing this feature, what do you think the NX is? It's a handheld that streams to the console.
@FragRed @retro_player_22 If Nintendo added a chip to the new 3DS similar to the chip in the Gamepad, but in reverse, 3DS to Wii U to tv, they almost certainly would have sold both more New 3DS and Wii U. Sony should have added it to the New Vita as well since they saved money on the newer screen. Why did they even make PS TV to not support and drop, just give Vita TV out.
If NX doesn't support 3DS to tv then it should support 4DS to tv.
This streaming hack is NTR, it's current in a beta form, hopefully it will become more stable in the full release.
NTR also allows old 3DS games to run at 804mhz, of all the games I tested, the biggest boost is Code of Princess. It makes that game run at a solid 60 fps in 3D with absolutely no drop frames. Almost looks like a brand new game with fast response, it shows just how important SUSTAINED 60 fps is.
Connect your laptop to your HDTV through HDMI and you can stream 3DS games to your TV!
Nintendo will never allow this officially, it turns the handheld into a home console, diminishing the sales of Wii U even more.
I'll be the 1st to say this is why people hack their 3DS. Not for piracy or illegal stuff, but for things like this, as well as importing games.
(I won't go on about those who cheat in games by hacking, or disrupt services like the eShop etc. Shame on those guys for spoiling it for everyone else.)
I was hoping someone would figure out a way to do this, and i actually welcome this if they manage to implement a stable build. Thank you hackers for doing this.
This be pretty neat to have.
@Nintendian Does it get Snake Eater running any better? I love the original game and considered getting the 3DS version, since it's pretty cheap, but the framerate in the demo I played was godawful. Getting it running at even 30 fps on 3DS would be pretty incredible.
@Patriplexity Nah, smashing it with a hammer probably wouldn't work either. We all know how stable a 3DS is after all these updates.
By default, the New 3DS doesn't give you better performance with original 3DS games, However.... with hacks, and using a program called Hans, You're able to make use of the higher clock speeds of the N3DS when playing 3DS games.
I own a copy of MGS3 and have tried it with this hack. I can see an improvement in frame rate, but at the moment, i can't use the C-Stick. (Also, not all games work properly or run at all when using Hans)
(I'm not sure if this has been resolved yet)
I won't disclose where to find out about hacking, as that's up to you.
This would be fantastic as a supported feature. Sometimes Nintendo appears blind as to ways of making their brand prominant again. This would be a big step in the right direction.
@rjejr Will the 4DS blow hurricane winds at me and squirt water at my face to recreate what's happening in the games? If so I really want that now!!
@MC808 The smaller white New 3DS has been out in USA for a while now. I have the one that came with Happy Home Designer, I love it.
@Nintendian Wooooah, I didn't even think of that, I have to try that ASAP. Code of Princess is awesome, but that framerate, even in 2D mode, is pretty bad. I only checked a couple of titles on the Hans compatibility list, and none of them were supported, so I didn't skim the whole thing.
@FragRed I'm going to have to admit that joke went right over my head, whatever it was, I'm assuming there was a joke in there somewhere. I think from now on I'm just going to call it NXDS as I assume 4DS stands for something meteorological.
@andrew20 The hack that is used for this is unpatchable. Can't say much more than that due to community guidelines, so yeah.
@skywake each core of the N3DS over 3x as powerful as the old model, owing to the overclocked CPU to 804MHz and an L2 cache of 2MB among other upgrades.
Personally, doesn't matter to me. I have a PS4 with one button sharing, and I never use that feature other than accidentally hitting the button and it jumping me out of the game unexpectedly. For those who share, big deal, for those who don't not so much
I've taken all the necessary steps to do this on my N3DS XL (among many other things I can also do on my hacked out little buddy), and wow, it works fantastically, and this is just the preview build.
@skywake Stop talking tat. The 3DS CPU was always the bottleneck - not the GPU. There is only so much GPU power required for a 240p screen and after that you have diminishing returns.
The old 3DS features a Dual Core running at around 200mhz, with the OS taking up one core. The New3DS features a Quad Core @800mhz with more cache, a separate Single Core ARM for OS. Double the RAM and 4MB extra video memory...You know, even if it isn't 4X the power, the New3DS is actually a massive boost. Look at Hyrule Warriors, New 3DS has a 20FPS boost, with higher details and 5x the enemies on screen....
@skywake I mean, sure. I was never under the impression that we were framing this conversation in any other way than a hardware revision. The upgrades amount to a lot more than just "less bottlenecks," though. But since less bottlenecks means that the system is now significantly better at doing its main job of playing games, then that alone is a big improvement.
@AmazonianBeauty You can actually use the C-Stick while playing MGS3 if you use NTR (yes that is literally the app's name) to change the CPU clock rate to the New 3DS's (804MHz) while the game is opened and it's amazing. The New 3DS has so much Homebrew potential it's pretty much a selling point.
@japongt I suppose the resolution is "bad" but since it's a handheld and the screen is tiny, I don't personally care that much about it.
@MC808 I personally prefer the XL, but I honestly don't get why the XL can't have the colored buttons and swappable face plates like the smaller model. I would frickin' love it if it did. I mean, I already do love it, but I would love it EVEN MORE.
@-DEMISE- The screen is tiny? lolwut? The screen of the of the 3DS XL is bigger than most smartphone's screens son. And just about every smartphone these days is carrying 1080p or 1440p screens... iPhone's "retina display" was out in 2010, and that already had 3 times the resolution of the 3DS' which was released in 2011. The 3DS (and New 3DS) isn't even as powerful as my Windows Mobile Phone from 2008. So anyone who says the New 3DS is some sort of "significant leap in technology" seriously needs to get shot.
@japongt "Tiny" as in it's a handheld and not, like, you know... a television? That is and always has been the number one justification for the lower resolutions of smaller displays on devices ranging from handheld video game consoles to smartphones and tablets. Also, the 3DS is a VERY cheap device, and one of the ways they achieve that is with less expensive screens. Don't compare it to the screen of something like an iPhone or an iPad, which cost several times the price of a 3DS. And you do know that we're talking about raw processing power and not the display resolution, right? Because the resolution of the screen has nothing to do with actual capabilities of the system. And don't call me son. What are you, like, 12? You must be either very young or very stupid since you're telling people they should be shot for thinking a video game system is more powerful than some other video game system.
@-DEMISE- A good justification when? A decade ago? Back in the GameBoy era? The 3DS was out in 2011, not 2001. And what does my age have anything to do with anything? Man people these days...
@japongt Your age is relevant in that you're calling me "son" and yet your answer for people that express different opinions from your own is to shoot them. You seem immature and also just kind of dumb, and you should definitely avoid calling people "son" in light of those things.
"A good justification when? A decade ago? Back in the GameBoy era?"
Just google "screen resolution and viewing distance" or "screen resolution and screen size" and read about why things like resolution, viewing distance, and screen size are important. If you don't already know these things, then don't comment on them until you do.
Let this be remembered for all those people that say that people hacking and modding their consoles are only doing it for piracy reasons.
I wish all handheld systems had this option and am excited to hear more about it in the future
@-DEMISE- I'm sorry SON, but saying the 3ds is some sort of major leap in technology isn't an opinion, it's a false statement. Dig up your facts, then you may try calling other people dumb.
@japongt Oh my holy freaking f, are people serious with this crap? NO ONE is saying that the New 3DS is "some sort of major leap in technology". NO. ONE. IS. SAYING. THAT. Is there something in the user agreement for this site that says 9 out of 10 users must be incapable of processing abstract statements?
As I've already explained to another of this site's denizens, the New 3DS is a hardware revision. It is not a new generation of hardware. These are the clear and obvious facts that encapsulate this conversation. Not one single person is operating under the belief that New 3DS is an all-new generation of hardware. In this context, the New 3DS is a significant improvement over the old 3DS. That is the extremest extent of mine and anyone else's statements on the New 3DS' technological enhancements. How hard is it for you to get your head around that? Did you fall down some stairs or something? Man.
@japongt Wow, you really gotta learn better reading comprehension there boy.
Armloader9hax and gateway 9.2 firmware master race! And for those of you who are afraid of attempting to hacking their 3ds, don't be! So as long as you follow instructions carefully, everything will work out. I have a limited edition mh4u new 3ds xl and I downgraded it perfectly. Take a risk, Stop the paranoia of bricking and start the revolution of hacking.
Would be cool if Nintendo would do something like Chromecast or Apple TV for the 3ds. I would like to play some of the 3ds games streaming to my tv. I wouldn't be interested on my pc.
@Chaoz I WISH it were only a hundred bucks for a 3DS capture card! It's pretty pricey and you have to send your 3DS away to get the mod done.
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