Rumour: Online Survey Mentions NX's 4K Video Streaming, 900p Gameplay And Hybrid Hardware

GFK is a market survey firm.
They could very well be just doing a survey to see what people are interested in before Nintendo makes it's final decision on hardware.
Though the final decision needs to be done by June, so they can start mass production by August to meet a holiday launch.

Before anyone who lacks the proper knowledge chimes in all excited:

4K Streaming does NOT mean the games will be rendered and played in 4k resolution. Most PCs can't even do 4K right now, let alone a console.

As for the 900p bit, that's slightly worrying. It's 2016, we shouldn't even be having issues getting 1080p on a $400-500 USD machine. Though 60fps is good.

900p? Sounds bogus (unless it's referring to the resolution of an NX "Gamepad").

900p for the handheld portion will do just fine. At first I was thinking why stop at 900p.

@ZAZX I mean, it says video streaming, it has nothing to do with games.

It depends what was included in the rest of the survey. If for example they put up a list of specs for both a new Microsoft and Sony system aswell this is probably just them trying to find out where the market is heading. If the survey was completely linked to Nintendo throughout then they might actually be gauging interest in an actual product.

10/10. Would buy.

That list looks bogus. 900p limit and no power chord?

900p? That doesn't make sense for a home console or handheld. It should be cheaper to produce a 1080p handheld screen, because those are already being mass-produced.

@Wouwter The message was simply meant for those who think video streaming means the games will be 4K. Those people do exist, and the best way to combat misinformation is with information.

@ZAZX The way you said it made it seem like you thought it was about games as well. Could just be me.

SALT

That's a lotta salt. But if Liam tweeted it... we will have to wait and see.

Hope Nintendo would release official info soon.

I NEED SOME SALT! And some pepper. I'm getting hungry.

@Shiryu Well, they survey IS real. The question is whether the information in the survey is legit or not. It seems plausible, but I have no idea who GFK is or how they would be able to obtain that information.

I'm not sure what to make of this honestly, I really doubt its legitimacy of course but one thing I have to comment on.... "sensor bar" WTF if this is true - they're bringing back the stupid Wii motion controller sensor bar again!??!?!?!? That's if it's true which it probbaly isn't.

@NX

im just going wait and see at this point.

@Octane I've made my peace and wait for e3.

Has anyone, ever, done one if these surveys? I know no one that has. Could say the same fir newspaper and other surveys. Always found these things odd. I'm sure people are doing them but maybe the survey is a jumble of questions of many different products and things so people don't notice it could be a new console they are answering about.

4k gaming? What's that all about anyway? Higher resolution? Better download speed for higher resolution while playing? I'm kinda behind the the 4k realm. Is it important? For Mario?

Provided that they are referring to the handheld part of NX with the 900p HD, I think that this could be very cool if true.
One thing I've noticed is that the in-box content mentions there being a sensor bar and just a 'Game controller', alongside the actual thing and the HDMI cable. This raises some questions:
1) Does the sensor mean that we'll still have the option to use motion control? If so, will Wiimotes be compatible, or will they use a new-style controller?
2) If Wiimotes are usable, will this lead to Wii-Wii U backwards compatibility?
3) Will the handheld part of NX be its own thing, a controller for the home console NX, or both? If the latter, will it work like the Gamepad when connected to the home console?
4) Will amiibo still function with it? Given how they pretty much print money, I wouldn't be surprised
5) Will the handheld part of NX have its own games, share games with the home console or both?

Just my two cents on questions this raises.
Of course, it could just be fake. Not sure, really

Suuuuuuuuure...

If this was the case, I'd consider buying it... a year after release of course though I have my doubts that this is true but We'll see at E3.

Ready with the salt...

900p!? Sounds strange. Leave it to Nintendo to do something completely out of the box and still produce something awesome.

Sorry, all I hear is Adele's "Rumor has it" being sung by a salty Wii U.

Well, it raises in interesting question: What if the NX console and NX hand held are marketed separately? Would there be outcries that the combined costs is too much, or would folks think it is comparable to the present situation of buying a console + 3DS?

According to the survey, the NX has 900p graphics at 60 fps.
Either: This survey is for a different console nicknamed NX
This is for the gamepad-like attachment and not the normal vie (think Wii U gamepad)
Or Nintendo wants to make us be confused and they are sitting there laughing at our silly rumours
I prefer the last one

I'm ready to hear details already. Nintendo needs to have a Direct soon and start talking.

All of this information seems plausible and pretty cool to me. Streaming 4K content is neat (although I won't be getting a 4K TV until I'm out of college) and achievements are very welcome.

The 900p visuals probably refer to high end third party games being scaled back a bit to run at 60 frames per second. Nintendo has already achieved 1080p on the Wii U, and some PS4 and XBOX One titles (mainly the latter) have had to be scaled back to 900p, so I'm not too worried about that information.

The most intriguing details come from the wording when they mention what's in the box. There is no mention of an included "portable", however it is brought up above as a "Nintendo NX handheld device". It makes it seem like it will be sold separately and possibly not truly replace the 3DS. That's just speculation on my part.

The part that excites me the most, however, is the first bullet regarding the games! They mention Mario, Zelda, and Donkey Kong being in the NX game library. Now, they could just be assuming that games of those franchises will release at some point and they may not be confirmed yet. Regardless, I'd love a full 3D Mario and new Donkey Kong game, and I'm sure Zelda U will either get ported to NX or be backwards compatible with it (both digitally and physically... well, if the system has a disc drive).

I just wish we knew if this was 100% true or not.

900p sounds like the same compromise made on other "next gen" consoles.
Scale down resolution a bit to enable more graphical fidelity.
Either way, lets wait and see. At this point, we still dont know WHAT the NX actually is. For all its worth, it could still be the WiiUs "N64 DD"

So many people commenting on the weirdness of 900p, ti's what several Xbox One games run at, which is probably the baseline for 3rd party support.

http://wccftech.com/ps4-1080p-xbox-900p-graphical-leap1080p-console-war/

As for more rumours, AMD said yesterday it's shipping something in late 2016 that could possibly be in NX, though of ocurs t hey didn't say NX, Nitnod would have a kiniption fit.

"But she was upbeat about 2016. She said demand for game consoles looks good for 2016, and the company expects to ship a new semi-custom chip in the second half of 2016."

http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/19/amd-ceo-says-buzz-and-interest-in-vr-could-boost-pc-market-in-2016/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ydPNfN8PeI

@Stu13
100% with you.

@WebHead Handheld?

Gameplay graphics? Do those incluse gyroscopic audio pixels?

Hope this isn't what we can expect from it. If the new Nintendo console is just a power competitor to the Xbox and Playstation, then I probably won't be getting it for a good long while.

@KrakenSoup
Probably for sports games and backwards compatibility. Which is awesome!

Well, it's just a rumored survey.
But to be honest, 900p sounds realistic. I mean, the Xbox One can hardly do over 900p. I think most games are still in the 720p-900p ballpark. I would even be fine with 720p, but of course 1080p would be awesome.

If it ends up being a hybrid of sorts, 720p for the handheld screen is minimum! The 480p of the Wii U GamePad screen is okay, but a little fuzzy for some games, and the 240p of 3DS is just ancient. x)
As comparison, the PS Vita screen is good for the size and it's only a weird 960 × 544!

Pretty sure this will just be speculative nonsense, however 4k streaming for the likes of netflix seems entirely plausible. Also as others have mentioned a resolution of 900p is also entirely plausible as plenty of ps4 and xb1 games run at that however you wouldn't state it as your max resolution when it's far more likely 1080p will be. I doubt it's even the 'handheld' portions resolution either, but we'll see.

@ThomasBW84
More rumours!
http://gonintendo.com/stories/250449-rumor-nx-to-interact-with-smartphone-pc-even-ps4

My wallet is ready, but only as soon as you release the new animal crossing game ...

@Octane
GfK is an International market research company, they do surveys From consumer goods to politics. In the marketing field, they are one of the most well know players, so this isn't bogus. It could be that Nintendo hasn't defined the specs of the NX and they want to see how consumers react to it, or they want consumer feedback to adjust stuff before beginning production

Still, if those are the NX specs, then Ninty's going to make a comeback with third parties. Half the games on PS and Xbox don't run on 1080p to maintain 60 fps, so it looks perfect to me.

@rjejr - The Wii U is already capable of 1080p right now.

Also: I know video game sites like this feel compelled to report on stuff like this, but this is all just unconfirmed rumors based on a survey.

Grabs a lawn chair and bag of popcorn

@bluedogrulez I think that is highly likely given early comments about NX being a platform. Two separate devices that can work together or individually. Maybe something like iPhone/iPad where most games work on both in the same way, but then you have some iPad only games. Most games will work on both handheld/console (I would expect all of Nintendo's first party) and some will be console only (some of the more resource intense third party games).

@rjejr And that's a bad thing considering the Xbox One will be 3yrs old or so by that point and both the Xbone and PS4 have proven to be slightly too weak with games being scaled back to run on them.

if the NX (as a home console!) will have a maximum resolution for games at 900p then i will never get one. i highly doubt it will have lower resolution than 1080p.

1080p / 60fps should be the absolute standart

@Jazzer94
Actually it more has to do with developers pushing graphics over everything else.
Developers prefer to use all horse power for graphics at the expense of frame rate and resolution.

No amount of horse power will change that.

GFK is a company that does a lot of this kind of stuff for Nintendo from what I hear elsewhere so yes, this is entirely likely to be Nintendo figuring out what customers want from the next platform.

Saying all that, shouldn't this have taken place a year or two ago? Not so late into development?

Also if they did decide to include the sensor bar, to me that would go against the whole NX not bring the Wii or Wii U. So I hope it doesn't end up being included.

Another rumor. Fantastic and better yet people are taking it seriously. Great

@FragRed
It's more like Nintendo is fine tuning the product at the final stage of development.

They can keep compatibility with previous controllers without damaging the new brand going forward.
If they want to offer Wii software on the VC and/or BC, they need compatibility.
Though pointer controls shouldn't' be abandoned either.

Would be very nice but can't wait for Nintendo now too start revealing concrete info on the NX.

Seems like the 900p is the handheld portion, and a handheld that could give you similar experience to XB1 would be incredible. Especially if you can hook it up to your console, play on the big screen and upgrade the visuals

Sounds fake to me. 4K video streaming could be real, but that's already a possibility on the other two 8th gen consoles so it's more of an "of course" situation. 900p/60FPS is the stupidest thing you can use list off "features" of a system. They're just playing off the fact that NO ONE IN THE FREAKING COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THE FREAKING IMPLICATIONS NOR THE FREAKING FACTORS THAT DETERMINE WHY A SPECIFIC GAME WOULD RUN AT A SPECIFIC RESOLUTION AND FRAMERATE. Every generation we have something different to add to the idiotic flame wars. Last gen it was hardcore vs casual + graphics, this gen it's framerate and resolution. It's a subject that all fans and fanboys/girls on ALL sides (I'm especially looking at you loyal citizens of Nintendo) fight about without even knowing exactly what they're talking about.

Phew, I'm awake now. No need for coffee

@Xenocity Ah that would make sense if Nintendo used this to tweak the hardware before production began.

I want to see more of this survey. Want to know if it mentions anything to do with hard drive or optical drives etc. Nintendo need to allow for at least Blu Ray sized games going forward.

@AVahne
Great Post...

Though you should get the yummy coffee and a donut (well the donut for me).

Oh, please. I remember the rumours before Wii U and hardly any came to fruition.

Strictly speaking, literally all of that information is already true of the Wii U and 3DS to some degree. Wii U already has a host of titles boasting 60fps, 1080p, and a small number that are both, things like Nintendo Network and the Gamepad make putting the internet on a TV and video calls easily possible, things like Amiibo make it easily possible to move information and gameplay experiences across devices (especially with titles like MH3U and SSB4), and the My Nintendo account already discusses cloud saves.

I suppose what I'm really trying to say here is that this tells us almost nothing still, even as a rumor, and only reaffirms the already alleged-to-death notion of handheld and console games working across devices. Otherwise, all of this is already possible on the Wii U (maybe not 4K streaming, but that's for video, and how much 4K content is even out there right now? Answer: not enough that can be streamed by most folks for it to even matter).

I'll be intrigued once some leaks with some meaningful substance to them start popping up, and anxiously await the official reveal and anything else Nintendo wants to share with us. I'm hoping for a conceptual announcement sometime in March or April and maybe a software showcase and finalized specs/information about it at E3. I feel like announcements usually come at E3, but Nintendo has been doing E3 all kinds of weird for years now, so who knows what to expect with this announcement.

@FragRed
You know Wii U optical discs use the Blu-ray specifications.

The base Wii U single layer disc is 25GBs (same as Blu-ray)
You can add more layers to get higher capacity.

I hope Nintendo ditches optical drive and uses a variant of SD cards (they can match Blu-ray in size), so it can be usable on both handheld and console without the load times.

If this turns out to be true, the sensor bar could possibly be so we can continue to use Wii/WiiU controllers if for no other reason than backwards compatibility features. Nintendo has been mostly great about BC with it's more recent hardware. I for one hope this continues with NX.

@Xenocity I do think that the optical drive is holding people back when it comes to what games can do (installs to the hard drive illustrate that quite well), but I wonder if the cost of producing them might be prohibitive. Then again, the 3DS uses carts just fine still, but they appear to be about 4GB max as opposed to something more like 32 GB, which would likely be required, if not moreso.

I'd also like to add that it seems like the New 3DS is an example of what we can expect to see from the NX, and I suspect it may be their testbed for the idea. We have two consoles, running the same games, with the same carts, but with performance differences between them that included different features and framerates, not to mention exclusive titles for the more powerful hardware. Clearly Nintendo can make two systems with different internal specs play the same games, and developers are showing that they can also make those games scale to play differently across them (see Terraria and Hyrule Warriors Legends as examples of this... though they may not be the best because they show what happens when a game gets scaled down for weaker hardware, but nonetheless shows that it's possible). If games are designed with this in mind, shifts in model quality, textures, and framerate may be achieved with bigger games, I imagine. Games on PC can support a range of hardware setups from low-end machines to maxed-out rigs, so I think the NX could easily do the same, and I suspect that we're seeing the roots of this in the New Nintendo 3DS, as ridiculous as I think the device may be. We shall see.....

I'll just wait and see

@Shiryu 4k is huge in Japan right now. . . .I'm gonna believe the hype

I get why people are balking at 900p but of Nintendo can get a system to run all its games at a locked 900p/60FPS its all ready got a leg up on the other two which are all over the place. Seeing as Hard-line knocked even the PS4 version down to 900p. But it doesn't matter to me A) graphic quality vs resolution and B) my TV is old and 720p (shame)

Of cause that all if its not talking about gamepad/portable screen which I agree seems likely due to the wording

As a next generation console what should we expect from Nintendo?
Xbox or PS4 spec? Or maybe something more than that if so what.

Better spec than is currently on offer from Sony or Microsoft, of course otherwise in a year or two the NX would be playing catchup again.

So better spec. What is left, a controller. We have had a Wii remote and a Gamepad; and both times we have also had a 'normal' controller because neither the Wii remote nor the Gamepad was good for every game. So lets hope its just a good pro controller and nothing that would backfire on Nintendo.

What else do we want apart from good games? Games not Gimmicks.

.....and what was Nintendo meaning when they said a few months ago that the NX is not a replacement for the Wii U?

@cfgk24 All I want is quality Wii U games I can record at 720p and share with the world. Hope NX has some sort of low resolution output, I can't record or store 4K video output... is is e3 yet?

@MarioPhD agreed I had the same idea ever since the rumours first appeared. I do worry that if it could acare away devs if Nintendo hasn't built some form of support in the dev kits that lets the dev to simply load the high and low quality assets with out having to code for both formats

@MarioPhD NX = New Wii U confirmed!

@Grumblevolcano Sad thing is, I could see that happening. Nintendo's recent history in naming consoles has been nothing shy of tragic. I hope they move away from the Wii name, but who knows with them. NEW Nintendo 3DS...... ugh. I'll believe that they can sensibly name hardware once it finally happens again (assuming it does). They could have just as easily named the Wii U the New Wii as well..... and I think that may have been slightly less terrible even.

Maybe it'll just be called the New Nintendo, and they'll slap Handheld and Console on there for the two (edit: sarcasm and pessimism intended)

Id be ok with a 900p handheld, as long as I can play Animal Crossing, Zelda, Metroid and Pokemon on handheld AND console

I still don't understand why people want more pixels when devs haven't made the most of the ones available each generation. I want to see ray tracing in games.

I just love reading all the "technology experts" opinions that come out of the woodwork on articles like this. QUITE ENJOYABLE!!

Where did I put my salt?

@ZAZX I would agree with you about the 900p not were it not for the fact that even the ps4 and x1 can barely put out games that reach 1080p. It is a weird benchmark to go for though.

"But to be honest, 900p sounds realistic. I mean, the Xbox One can hardly do over 900p. I think most games are still in the 720p-900p ballpark. I would even be fine with 720p, but of course 1080p would be awesome."

900p sounds realistic...
We are in 2016 with 1080p TV resolution since quite some years, CPU/GPU systems capable rendering games in 1080p60 and people think it is enough because the competitors XBox One and PS4 can't handle more often enough.
Game developers already moan because they have to scale back their games because the power those two consoles offer is not what was expected in the beginning.
And there are really people out there who think it is enough to not offer more than MS and Sony offer since two years?
The NX would be outdated right from the beginning, even if it could handle 4k video streaming. Nice for video enthusiasts, nothing of importance for gamers.

@Splatburst If the NX did come with a sensor bar and was backwards compatibility with Wii and Wii U, that'd be cool. I personally wouldn't care. But it would be a nice addition. I just don't want them to still think that motion control is an acceptable control method for every single game.

This information about the Wii U, the way it's structured, isn't very informative, and posibly even misleading.

I'm not deeming the survey a fake, but it's possible whoever created it doesn't really know what they're talking about.

Aside from the other facts about the NX being rather vague, The Wii U is already fully capable of outputting 1080/60 providing the game is built the right way, as well as being able to output 720/30, or conceivable any arbitrary screen resolution and frame rate below 4K/120.

It simply makes no sense to state that "gameplay graphics" would be 900/60 as some form of standard. It's an empty statement altogether. Like stating what the sound volume of a game could be.

@KrakenSoup
As long as it's optional, then I don't see that as a problem. Gyro controls though, that is a must feature of the controller.

This is going to be one interesting iPad. lol

@rjejr That would be great. Might be spendy but the new chips coming out later this year are supposed to be alot more power efficient and just as powerful as the current chips yet only a fraction of the size. Which I guess means the new chips that are built to be the same size as current chips are going to be even more powerful.

Meh, nothing to take seriously at all. Just shows people's thirst for news.

I seriously stopped paying attention to specs when I saw Super Mario Galaxy on Wii, then Donkey Kong County Returns on 3DS and Super Mario 3D World on WiiU.

Those games are so good that I don't care

@MarioPhD Relax this isn't going to happen. Nintendo's new president has stated that the NX is npthing to do with Wii or Wii U.

@Luna_110 ''Still, if those are the NX specs, then Ninty's going to make a comeback with third parties. Half the games on PS and Xbox don't run on 1080p to maintain 60 fps, so it looks perfect to me.''

For the next two years maybe. You need more than that to last an entire generation.

Well, I don't see Metroid on that list so it's probably legit. If Metroid was on there it would have to be fake.

I can't speak to the validity of this specific survey, but I regularly complete surveys on Swagbucks to earn points for gift cards, and I've encountered and completed numerous GFK surveys in the past. I'm guessing it is a legitimate survey. I've previously completed other surveys for games that were announced shortly thereafter.

GFK has come out and said it was all speculation on their part.

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At this point there’s rumours of the NX working with smartphones, PCs, and even competing games consoles like the PS4—in my view, now possibly being a universal controller crossed with a handheld or something like that—as well as a recent patent that shows a controller with a touchscreen across it’s face, and there’s even talk of the console being a home/handheld hybrid system, among other things.

And if it turns out the NX actually is some kind of universal console/PC controller that’s also a self-contained portable then I’m calling it now that I thought of something just like that a long time ago, and it’s from the same two main designs that I’ve brought up time and time again recently:

http://www.inceptional.com/2016/01/20/ahead-of-the-nintendonx-curve-again/

Sea or Iodized?

@ZAZX

"Before anyone who lacks the proper knowledge chimes in all excited:

4K Streaming does NOT mean the games will be rendered and played in 4k resolution. Most PCs can't even do 4K right now, let alone a console."

No offense, but instead of making it more clear for the people that you want to address, you make it even more confusing by forgetting to mention it is video streaming (which is actually quite a decent hint in and of itself on what it is actually about) and then you compound that by adding stuff to it that isn't even relevant to what was being said in the article. Yup, much clearer...
@readyletsgo That's 4K video streaming, not gaming. So this means effectively nothing, since any piece of modern hardware coming out from 2016 onward should be able to stream digital content in Full HD and higher with no problem whatsoever.
@Kirk I thought your idea was more about a handheld that leans more towards being retro, with full backward compatibility with all Nintendo titles and what not, not a free form display handheld, so did you change it in between the first article you made about it?

And maybe beating one's chest about "being ahead of the Nintendo NX curve again" might be more than a tad too soon, since we still know next to nothing about what it really entails. Speculating is quite enjoyable, and I've done my fair (and quite extensive) share on it too, but none of us is right as of yet..

@ZAZX And even if it was 4k for games...wouldnt you also have to have a 4k compatible tv anyway?

Most high end PCs can't run 4K at 60 FPS, and we're talking about roughly the $3000 price range or more if you have a 4K monitor as well. There is no way the NX will be able to stream 4K unless Nintendo is willing to take a substantial loss per console, and in the past Nintendo has refused to even cut even on console sales, insisting on selling hardware they can make a profit on. And if you don't understand why that's strange, it's because many console companies have a strategy of trying to saturate the market with their consoles even if they don't make a profit off of them, so they can make their money off of the sales of software.

@Jazzer94 @Action51 "900p"

900p might not be much to shoot for on a TV, but if they want the same game to play on the Home and Away (parts of the) consoles then 900p may be the sweet spot. Gamepad is 480p (854x480), 900p would be quadruple that in pixels, a big step up. Though I only expect a 720p handheld, Nintendo hardware is always underwhelming.

@itzdanburton you covered alot of what i was thinking. Im glad if it will, come with a censer bar all of the wiiware & eShop game I like to play won't get lost when the Wii Dies. Side Note surprised face the Wii has not bin discontinued there still making Just Dance games for it!

@DarkKirby Heres a list of devices that stream UltraHD - aka 4k - from Netflix. I think NX will contain the hardware to be able to compete w/ a Roku.

The following devices support Ultra HD streaming when paired with an Ultra HD TV:

Nvidia Shield
Roku 4
TiVo Bolt
Amazon Fire TV (New Version)
British Telecom - BT DTRT-4000
Sagem 4K (Totalplay in Mexico)

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

@rjejr

I misread the article, I was talking about streaming games at 4k at 60 FPS.

@rjejr I am currently being overwhelmed by Nintendo Hardware. .

@evosteevo "yet only a fraction of the size"

Which might be perfect for fitting inside a portable.

@Shiryu I have ordered more fantastic Wii U games for E3 and also a Video output recording upgrade for yourself plus I spoke to my mates at Google and they said they'll allow Shiryu to post in 4k as soon as they've been round to his house and installed 64,000,000 meg broadband

When it talks about this 4k streaming stuff, are we talking like "Let's play" style "you can livestream your game play" streaming or "ooo look how high quality this video you're watching is!" streaming? One I care about, one I don't.

@cfgk24 I do video capture by hardware its a standalone unit that does not require a PC or software. But it only caps 1080p at 30 fps, so I choose the more size sensitive 720p at 60fps setting.

@rjejr "UltraHD - aka 4k" Actually, that is a misconception, since the two aren't one and the same, but unfortunately (like so many things) the general media have messed it all up and the public have taken over to a point that the mistake is already irreversible...
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/174221-no-tv-makers-4k-and-uhd-are-not-the-same-thing

@Garushi Good point and since only the term video streaming is used, it could probably mean either one, provided there is any truth to it to begin with. But let me guess: you're not interested in showing people your game videos...

900p does not fall in line with the "Industry leading chips" rumor... 900p is bare minimum what this machine should do. industry leading chips could handle mush higher than 900p.
The only thing I can think of is if both console and handheld have the same resolution... it would be a great way to cut resolution without losing too much... so the handheld doesnt have to render as many pixels... its a nice compromise so that both units could run the same resolution...
However that really doesnt matter... and I fully expect the handheld unit to be no more than a 720p 4" screen... maybe even less... like the 540p that the vita does.

I suppose there would be development benefits to having both units able to run games at the same resolution... but only if the power is the same... it seems either way you'll have to make different assets for a portable version of a game anyway... so screen resolution could be different so long as its the same aspect ratio.

@TheRealThanos Yeah, I'm probably miles off with me funky controller idea, but I'm calling it now just in case. Because, if the NX is somewhat similar, I can say that I was thinking of this stuff before it was even a brain fart for the guys at Nintendo.

I have two main ideas for NX, one is the hybrid GamePad thing that I've mentioned quite a few times and the other is a full VR headset/experience. The motion controllers would be part of the VR experience.

The VR one is actually the better all-round idea of the two I have, but it's far more complicated to go through all the details than the hybrid concept.

@Kirk Yeah, maybe I should also start to re-post my take on the NX just in case, although I don't have a fancy site like you do (enjoyed chapter 5 of your story, by the way) so I would have to post my walls of text on the subject right here, which might scare off some of the natives and newbies...

Maybe I'll mull it over a bit and wait until the next rumor that is more in line with my idea on what it is going to be...

900p? Sorry, but I call BS on that, unless it is referring to the rumored portable component of the system. It's 2016 now, 1080p barely even cuts it anymore! Not to mention the Wii U can frickin' run some 1080p games! It makes no sense that this new system would be LESS capable than the 4 year old Wii U... Earlier rumors said 3rd party developers were really impressed and the hardware was more powerful than the PS4's. Something isn't right here.

If this is true, well then the people running Nintendo truly have lost touch with reality and this will probably be the last piece of hardware Nintendo ever makes. By I am going to remain optimistic that this isn't true or it's just the handheld hardware that runs at 900p.

@wiggleronacid I mean, knowing Nintendo, there will always be a new Mario, Zelda, and Donkey Kong on their systems no matter what. Like, that's one thing to be absolutely sure of. The question is when and what does it look/play like?

Is it really necessary to point out how suspicious this list is?

• exclusive game franchises...
  (what does this have to do with the hardware?)
• connect with other...
  (old news, not relevant)
• GP flows between home and handheld
  (contradicted by the hardware list below that doesn't mention anything about 2 consoles or anything similar / this is just using the already existing rumors about an hybrid machine for hype)
• earn and share achievements...
  (old news)
• surf the web + video calls
  (old news, irrelevant, even if these features do exist, they are not important enough to be shown this early / before the core features)
• 4k60 streaming
  (too early to talk about this kind of things, we haven't even talked about the gaming aspect yet!)
• 900p60
  (does not make any sense, way too specific)

Hardware list:
1) no detail about the console
2) misses the power supply unit (!)
3) no word about storage
4) controller has no name, that is not the kind of things Nintendo usually do
5) nothing about other controllers compatibility and max nb of player
6) no documentation included in the list?

@readyletsgo "Has anyone, ever, done one if these surveys?"

I did one for DJ Hero long before that was announced and pretty much everything that was in the survey was in the finished product. I get the impression that the game must have a least been at the prototype stage and that the survey was more about how to pitch the game to the public and not whether to make it in the first place. Personally I wasn't interested, but clearly others were.

@MarioPhD The Wii U should have been called Super Wii. Just imagine Mario saying it.

As someone who enjoys the benefits of a home console, but far prefers the intimacy of handheld gaming, the NX is perhaps – on paper, at least – the most exciting system in generations!

Thanks to its GamePad, Wii U almost delivered as my super console, but was largely undone by its unfortunate loss of quality third-party support. Then I bought a PS4 specifically for the Remote Play feature with my Vita, but that turned out poor, at best.

I just hope NX turns out to be third time lucky!

@ZAZX True, but still, both the PS4 and Xbox ONE still have problems reaching NATIVE 1080p @60FPS. More so the Xbox ONE.

@TheRealThanos Funny, I think I've read that exact article before, maybe 6 months ago, my memory doesn't work like it used to.

But we both know as far as this bogus survey info goes it's really just semantics - the general public makes the reality. I am looking forward to my QUHD TV though. As long as it doesnt' drag my wife away into the sewers.

@rjejr Ah, C.H.U.D.... I forgot all about that movie. I've seen it a couple of times, though. Enjoyable in a cheesy kind of way, especially if you don't expect too much...

"the general public makes the reality"
Mankind's biggest nightmare, surely, and perhaps ultimately even our downfall...
Someone once told me that reality is just a shared narrative that we all agree to believe, which is something that I think comes pretty close to the actual truth.

But people just blindly taking over someone's brain fart and spreading that misinformation further like a disgusting oil stain, that is just my biggest gripe with it. And not just with this topic, but with a lot of other things as well (the term "tablet controller" comes to mind, and even a little old thing called "blast processing")

In general, the public is stupid or at least acts stupid (maybe partially out of indolence/laziness) and for the most part they simply gobble up everything that the media feeds them and run with it, whether it's correct or not. No one seems to care...
During the holidays I happened to have a discussion with my brother in law's brother in law (still following?) about him getting an OLED TV, which was even better than UHD, or so the store owner told him. You can probably guess how that went...

I'm probably fighting windmills here, but I'm an ardent defender of information as opposed to misinformation, because it truly bugs me a lot of the time (how much sometimes depends on the topic or my mood), so every chance I get I will try to inform people about what's actually what, whether they accept it or not.

I'm a bit of a grammar Nazi as well, so you can imagine that when I first registered an account here, some people, you amongst them, really did my head in, because apparently a lot of people think that being online doesn't require you to spell correctly, as long as people get the general idea of what you're trying to say. But I'm used to you now, and I'm starting to mellow out, so the older I get, the less it bothers me...

By the way, just out of curiosity and while I'm on that topic: what in the blazes were you trying to say in comment #35?
"Nitnod would have a kiniption fit."

EDIT:
What happened with the C.H.U.D. DVD cover?

@TheRealThanos Man, how do you read ANY of my stuff w/o your head exploding?

No way no how was I spelling conniption correctly, nor was my spellchecker able to fix it. But I predicted it would be Nintendo's reaction if AMD said "NX".

conniption fit
English[edit]
Noun[edit]
conniption fit ‎(plural conniption fits)

Anger or panic expressed verbally loudly and with overt bodily gestures.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conniption_fit

And I'm a sociologist, all I know is reality is socially generated. I know it's annoying, but it's easier that way. It's more important to get the really stupid incorrect stuff out of the way - streaming 4k does NOT mean games in 4k - than the difference between 4k and UHD in the context of the NX.

I think I saw a video of some spokesman at CES trying to explain how OLED tvs were better than 4k, I mean UHD tvs. Something to do w/ black levels I believe. So your BILBIL's story holds up. Here's an article from 4 years ago, so it's not a new topic.

http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-tv-vs-oled-tv/

OK, that's all I can cover now, the rest of your post is blurring my vision w/ Trump for President banners, and that's too scary for words of any kind. (Not insinuating you as a Trump support, just the whole shared reality brain fart stuff.)

@rjejr Okay, so you only messed up a little bit. Can't say that I've used the word conniption all that often, let alone heard others using it, but that may be due to me not being in English speaking territories anymore.
But yes, Nintendo might have one...

Why my head doesn't explode? (at least not so much anymore these days) Like I said: I mellowed out a bit, growing a bit soft in my old age. And I got to know you (as far as anyone can know another anonymous person on an internet forum) as a really sociable, decent person, so that goes a long way with me as far as being able to digest anything that might irk me...

As for OLED: sounds a bit like the old discussion of LCD vs plasma, since that too had the better black ratios, same as OLED has now. Resolution wise however, they are the same, hence NOT better than 4K TV's which is what the discussion was about, but my bad: I should have made that clear in the first place.

Donald Trump? Ouch, my aching heart... If there's one idiot in the States right now that "trumps" all idiots, it must be him. Having money certainly doesn't always equal having a good sense of logic. But hey, he rattles the cage and at least that makes the others move as well, although I'm not really that into politics, either American or European, even though I'm living there now.

The reality quote was just an "in the realms of the matrix" kind of thing. Blue pill, red pill and all of that. Nothing to be scared of, just walk to the phone booth and answer the call...

Sounds like what the Wii U was supposed to be

This is already a failure if those specs are correct. 4k streaming isn't the same as 4k gaming. That's why it mentions that it will do 900p gaming. The PS4 would be able to do 4k streaming if it supported the mandatory HDMI 2.0/ HDCP 2.2 DRM. Sony could release a new model with a new HDMI port to allow it. It wouldn't really drive up cost. But the PS4 is already 3 years old and Nintendo's newest system can't even match an outdated system? It is one thing to release an underpowered system before or along side the competition. It is something else to release an underpowered system well after your competition's hardware has aged. Nintendo never learns.