The Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash review embargo has passed, but we're yet to post our own despite having had plenty of access to the game for quite some time. Simply put we've opted out of going for the initial 'Score Pending' approach this time around while we wait for launch weekend online play on live servers.
We've used 'score pending' in the past when a title's online features have been potential score changers and there's been inadequate access to them prior to the embargo. It's case by case, and in the past couple of years Nintendo's also done a better job of ensuring review code has online features enabled along with testing opportunities. We judge whether the live retail code could be much different before deciding whether to score these games or apply a 'score pending' while we wait for the game to launch.
The fact is that with Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash online will be vitally important to our overall assessment, even the general tone of the review, and despite some online 'sessions' being arranged there's not been an adequate opportunity to test it out. Arranged play periods have had very limited numbers playing and have stuck to unrated matches, so we have no sense yet of how that balancing shapes up with rating matches, for example. We've also had a mix of smooth and fairly laggy matches despite our own connection being extremely fast; considering the limited numbers on the servers this concerns us, so we need to wait until the game launches on 20th November to truly see how the online's shaping up.
What we can say is that the online infrastructure feels lacking, and like its 3DS predecessor this game doesn't even let you go for an immediate rematch, never mind a Friend's match. It seems barebones, but the fun of Mario Tennis - including this entry - is always in multiplayer, so the servers holding up and providing smooth matches is vital to what we have to say.
It'll be important for the review's tone, as said above, as the single player offering simply isn't good enough; it's painfully lacking in content, even compared to this game's predecessors. Our extensive preview makes this point pretty clearly.
As it stands this writer expects to have the scored review ready on 22nd / 23rd November after a weekend of online play with early adopters. We're hoping that online multiplayer will join local matches as a saviour of what is, aside from those modes, a surprisingly bare offering.
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What I really want to know is this: In the 3DS version, online was basically ruined by equipment you could use against human opponents to make your character OP.
Is this problem still in Ultra Smash? Or is there at least a vanilla mode where equipment is not allowed?
@naut There's no variable equipment at all, so don't worry about that!
@ThomasBW84
Deuce!
@ThomasBW84 Oh, thank goodness. At least that horrific plague has been done away with.
@naut Online was also ruined for being region locked.
Not sure how much a review is needed honestly XD
Everything has being said in the preview, indeed the only thing missing is the test of the servers and a score.
Maybe I'll be between the early adopters you'll random meet and challange this weekend, but gotta admit, between Nintendo showing little to no hype for this release and Rodea (Wii) getting my game attention, maybe I'll get this later on.
I can't help but be a liiitttttttllle bit suspect about this review delay considering the amount of Ultra Smash advertising on/around/in/throughout the site.
Well, we have 2 days until release. That's more days than the number of courts!
@BlockPunch I was a bit suspicious until this article stated that only online could save this game. That doesn't sound very bought out.
@BlockPunch Advertisements and reviews are two completely different things, not to mention a lot of ads that you see appear because you have similar interests. I've been getting nothing but Fallout 4 and other non-Nintendo game ads for whatever reason.
@ThomasBW84 SEriously? No equipment to require? Dumb.
Based on what reviews I've seen, this game is very very bare bones all around. Doubt it will get any updates, but I hope Nintendo learns its lesson and doesn't rush a game out like this again. I would obviously rather have Zelda U and Star Fox delayed and polished over this, but don't publish a game not ready to go.
@BlockPunch Given how brutally honest this site has been on their opinions of this game up to now, I'd rest assured the integrity of this site hasn't been bought.
This game sucks. Nuff said. Online play is useless if there's no way to play with friends so you might as well give this game a score now.
Online may depend on how many people buy it. And so far Nintendo is doing their usual poor job of advertising it. It was only in 1 ad in the Sunday papers this week, Target, not Toys R Us or Best Buy. And I don't recall it being in that holiday Wii U commercial - US version - w/ Spaltoon, SSB and SMM. Which is really weird for a game w/ Mario as its star for 4 player family fun.
On the bright side - I did just play the demo at Target, and it was fun. I played 2v2, Mario and Bowser vs Toad and Waluigi. I played as Mario and as giant Mario I returned a hit right into Bowsers face even though he was on my team. It was hilarious and I almost decoded to buy the game for that. And the ice court was really shiny.
I have to admit I'm a little taken aback by al lthe negativity surrounding thi sgame - that's usually my job. It seems almost like a perfect holiday game for Ntinedo -
1. Mario - their biggest star and mascot
2. Holiday release - just before Black Friday
3. $50 - at least it isn't $60
4. online - yes it should be online, but at least it is
5. amiibo support - good amiibo support, you can play against your amiibo or on teams w/ your amiibo, and online against a friend and their amiibo
6. 4 player offline - that's how a family game works
I can see how from a 1 player game this would be a pass - I surely wouldn't even be looking at it - but for a fun family holiday game this seems like a clear winner. Better than Skylandrs, Disney Infinity or Lego Dimensions b/c they are all only 2 player couch. An dbetter than AC:aF b/c that still doenst look like a game to me.
It would be nice if they went the Mario Kart 8 route and had more amiibo compatibility though. Target had Ganandorf and Olimar and I thought about buying them - Ganadorf is the best looking amiibo released so far, Wolf Link might be better - but what do Ganandorf and Olimar do? Skins in SMM? amiibo Tap Greatest bits? Not neough to warrant a purchase. If Ganandorf and Olimar were in here I would have bought them today.
amiibo compatibility - Skylanders DK and Bowser are on the list, and my silver Mario, and yarn yoshi. that's half our collection. We also have Starfox, Link, Charizard and Peach.
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/compatibility
This may be our family gift under the tree. May buy my nephew 1 as well, if his dad ever gets their Wii U online. Have to work on that while I'm there for Thanksgiving.
This one smacks of a rush job to get something out for christmas. I don't know why they didn't just hold it back about 6 months, flesh the game out and make it a worthwhile purchase.
Reading other reviews this seems like an HD downgraded port of the 3ds version. Need more content? Buy Amiibos!
Mario Tennis: Ultra sMeh!
It would have been day one if it's 40€ on the eShop.
@Splatburst I had it pre-ordered for under 40 and still cancelled it. It's isn't worth more than 20 to me.
Welp, time to switch the old preorder. Was never really too confident in this one. Seems like they pushed this out real quick to have something other than Xenoblade to show for this holiday. Which, ironically makes me happy. For my back log is supreme.
@Morph You answered your own question. They rushed it to get it out for the Holidays. I think people should just be happy they didn't make the same compromises with games like Zelda and Star Fox.
I really don't mean to question the integrity of this website. Nintendo Life is a great site and even though it is solely a Nintendo-based I have always believed that the staff don't allow their love for Nintendo to cloud their judgements.
Unfortunately though, there's a darkside to video game reviews and advertising/sponsorship with is difficult to ignore...
Exhibit 1:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-paying-youtubers-for-positive-xbox-one-coverage/1100-6417235/
Exhibit 2:
http://kotaku.com/5893785/yes-a-games-writer-was-fired-over-review-scores
Exhibit 3:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/10/26/all-the-pretty-doritos-how-video-game-journalism-went-off-the-rails/
No online multiplayer with friends ... why?
Super Mario Shovelware
Where's Animal Crossing amiibo Festival review already? The readers need to know!!! Just kidding take your time with Nintendo's garbage ware and have fun with Xenoblade
Here's the review:
This doesn't bode well at all for the game. If online is so important that the review's being delayed, the single player must be nearly nonexistent. I'm guessing it'll score no higher than 6!
@XCWarrior I have a feeling this game was not rushed. I honestly think Nintendo and the development team knew what they wanted to make and did just that, and it didn't take them very long. I love Nintendo dearly, but this game is a cash grab through and through, something to have out for the holiday season with Mario's face on it. Because you know mommy isn't going to buy little Timmy a Wii U this Christmas for Xenoblade Chronicles X, much less even be able to pronounce its name.
Mario Power Tennis on the gamecube I LOVED I played the CRAP out of that game. It'd didn't have "power ups" or rather items that you'd collect. Instead it had the power shots which you'd get after a rally or particularly good shot. The offenseive/defensive versions of hte powershot were what made the entire experience. I hated the game boy/advance copies. Never bothered with the 3DS. This mega mushroom upgrade does relatively nothing as it is cumbersome, very annoyed by that.
As it stands I think I"ll stick with Wii Sports Tennis.
To be fair, the original N64 Mario Tennis had bare-bone features, but it was one of the best arcade Tennis games out there, which is the main reason why I'm getting this Wii U version, since Camalot have done an excellent job on their previous titles. Plus I liked the 3DS version and didn't really use the online features much.
Plus why does no-one complain about the lack of features in Mario Kart 8? You get Grand Prix, Time Trial and Battle Mode (which sucked in this version). That's pretty bare-bone to me. But what makes Mario Kart 8 so great is the course designs and the use of weapons. Plus it is a really good Kart racer.
So why the hate on Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash? True some like unique modes would have been nice, like Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed mission mode, but it's not like this game will be terrible like a lot of other Tennis video games out there.
Not convinced still.
I prefer the GCN one and the GBA one.
I fell this needs more characters. I mean, the GBA one had like over 30+ characters, even if they weren't mario related :v
@Coreyoli You might be right about Nintendo wanted this shallow experience, but come on, Xenoblade Chronicles X is not hard to say. It's phonetic.
@NoEasyBuckets my point is, if it means that less people will buy the game as a result then it is pointless, I hardly think Mario Tennis is going to be a christmas system seller
IGN and GameSpot killed this game in their reviews. It looked barebones but I was hoping it was not.
@andreoni79 This!
@rjejr Ganondorf gives you skins in Yoshi's Woolly World and Super Mario Maker, 4 and 5 star "Swords of Demise" in Hyrule Warriors (as well as 4 and 5 star trident next year from the looks of the Famistu scans for Legends), some unknown functionality in Twilight Princess HD and Zelda U. As for Olimar, the same for Woolly World and Mario Maker but instead of Zelda game support, there's an MK8 Mii costume.
@RadioShadow You forgot about VS Race in MK8. There's more than 1 race in MK8 so more variety than Ultra Smash (there's only 1 court in Ultra Smash), the online capabilities is significantly better and MK8 has 2 content packed DLC releases at an insanely low price whereas Nintendo is just leaving Ultra Smash to die.
Great graphics, poor single player experience and online rankings to justify everything. Sounds like the generic insult to Sony or Microsoft games...
BTW, who cares? Waiting for XCX I can play Fallout 4!
@RadioShadow If you want a Mario Kart 8 comparison, imagine it with only one track for one-lap races on self breaking karts.
I've enjoyed all of Nintendo's first party exclusives- even Game & Wario, Mario Party and Wii Party U offered some fun. But it looks like Mario Tennis and the latest release of Animal Crossing look really bad. IF I decide to pick them up, it will be at a discount.
@XCWarrior Regardless, the point remains the same.
Can't select immediate rematch or play with friends. Lol this is why nintendo get laughed at in the industry when it comes to online gaming.
Why are they so inconsistent. Mario golf was full of content with a fairly comprehensive online offering. Mario tennis the total opposite. This game is filler plain and simple. Just a title to put out before the NX launch. Very lazy!
@rjejr
Ganon will be compatible with Twilight Princess HD and possibly Zelda U.
Have Nintendo just given up? That's three games this year released that have needed updates to make it great.
I won't be touching this unless it goes very very cheap. On the bright side though, it isnt getting the worst review scores of Nintendo's late-2015 schedule. For a while it looks like Devils Third was winning he race to the bottom, but Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival is making a late bid.
Hopefully 2016 brings not only NX but a Nintendo behaving more like Nintendo in terms of the standard of their games.
@WaddleDeeWeegee Three courts, there are three courts, hard, clay, and grass as you start the game. Apparently there are a few more to unlock with coins as you progress in the game but like you said it's sad that the game doesn't offer much more. Hopefully it's like Splatoon in the sense that future free (or cheap) DLC will be available for it, but the fact that they didn't mention that in the Nintendo Direct makes me think that what's on the disc is it.
@Grumblevolcano "4 and 5 star "Swords of Demise" in Hyrule Warriors"
Had I known that I might have seriously considered it. Well actually I did seriously consider it, and I kind of regret not buying it now, but its been a big week of bills and I've only just started holiday shopping. The fact that Target even had 1, and 3 Olimar and several Tom Nook and Mabel, and a couple of Zero Suit Samus, and 3 blue yarn Yoshi, does make me feel like I could probably pick it up later. Maybe. they only had the AC amiibo there on Monday, Guess Tuesday was shipment day. I've still never seen a King Dedede in person though. At $50 he's by far the highest priced 3rd party amiibo on Amazon. Even Fit Trainer, Little Mac and Shulk are around $20.
@Splatburst Thanks. Knowing Nintendo he'll get a new re-skinned version. Yarn Ganandorf.
Do you have to have you Smash Bros/Mario Party 10 save deleted on your compatible Amiibo to use it in this game or can it stay in-tact?
I see no reason to remove single player tournament mode. Who was drunk at that meeting and decided that was a good idea?
"The single player offering simply isn't good enough"
All I needed to know.
@Whopper744 From the same drunkard who decided to forgo the wiimote.
As soon as I found out this didn't have motion plus controls it was dead to me. I hope Nintendo talk to EA and get 'decent' sports games for NX. Grand Slam Tennis is still the best Wiimote tennis game. Tiger is still the best Wiimote golf game
The online infrastructure for Nintendo games is always lacking in appropriate options (when they bother to include an online mode in the first place), and not just because they don't have a comprehensive account system. For example, can anyone name a single online Nintendo game; console or handheld; first party, second party, or third party; that lets you create public lobbies (and no, those pitiful excuses for custom Smash Bros. "tournaments" don't count)?
@Nintenjoe64
Couldn't agree more. I'm concerned that Nintendo will abandon motion controls with their next console. Which would be a shame; I felt that golf on the wiiu was an incredible experience using the gamepad to line your shot and gauge your power, the problem was that EA didn't make a game using those features which would have been a big hit.
@Angelic_Lapras_King It looks like it would be deleted according to the official amiibo compatibility website.
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/compatibility
So um. I was curious about all the negativity this game - which seemed great to me after playing the demo at Target this morning - was getting, so I went and read a few reviews, even IGN and I haven't been on there in years - and now I know what the issues are. I suppose this is the reason games need reviews.
My biggest off-putting discoveries:
1. No online Friends play.
Why even bother having online then? I guess this is their way of dealing w/ no voice chat between friends. But man, we all need NNID to have accounts and talk to each other, but we can't play family oriented games together? What gives?
2. amiibo are only used in the single player Challenge mode and online.
I had to read that in several places to believe it, but it looks like you can't do 2 v 2 w/ amiibo on the couch. So much for my siilver Mario and I playing against my wife and her Peach or my sons and Bowser and DK.
3. Only 1 court.
I really enjoyed the ice court on the demo this morning, but not nearly as much as I enjoyed that cruise ship in Super Mario Sluggers w/ the giant squid/krakken thing. And those windy fields in Charged. Gotta mix things up.
Now I'm not opposd to things getting added in later. Spaltoon had about 1/4 of it's current content at launch, but I bought it b/c they showed us most of it beforehand and told us abut the big update coming in August. Which surprisingly it actually did come out in August. And even the "50 New Things for SSBU" video had 3 or 4 of those things not come out until months later - Miiverse stage, tournaments, and something else. But I haven't read word 1 for this.
So when my family can play vs offline w/ amiibo and online w/ their cousin I'll pick this up. but rigth now they have nothing I want. And I'm shocked at that, b/c it all seemed like obvious things to have to me - on live friends, court variety, amiibo partner battles.
So now I get all the hate. This is basically a "beta". Picked up Spaltoon as a beta, no regrets, my most played Wii U game, but we'll wait on this one until they add in all the missing content. Peferabluy free like Spaltoon and not $100 like SSB.
@RadioShadow
I thought the n64 was fine for its time. 2 unlockable characters and a few courts (can't recall how many). Admittedly, there were no upgrades as such but being able to level up the characters, who came across via the gameboy adaptor thingy, was fun.
@iflywright @Nintenjoe64 I think motion is gone. Well not all motion, I think gyro motion - like Spaltoon and Starfox - stays, but Wiimote motion. How many of the amiibo games rely on motion? What seems to be Nintods biggest focus these days? If Nintendo makes NX sometype of portable home console, or tv out portable console, w/ all games running both on tv and in your pocket, it would be really difficult to do that w/ Wiimote peripherals. So they will probably do gyro controls, even things like putting out fires w/ a hose by pointing the portable component of the NX, but I don't see how baseball bats, tennis rackets or golf clubs are going to work.
I think NX will be looking forward to multiple Gamepads, ie 4DS, not all the way back to Wiimotes.
@Nintenjoe64 I hear ya. It's like some companies (including Nintendo themselves via Splatoon) have forgotten that the Wii U still supports the Wiimote. Heck, we haven't had a good hardcore baseball sim since "MVP Baseball 2005" on GameCube unless you count "Nicktoons MLB." At least "Wii Sports Club" finally allows us to use Wii MotionPlus Plus to swing a baseball bat, but it's still an unlicensed bare-bones tech demo.
Well, at least 2K Games's horrible exclusive contract ran out after several years of very lousy releases, but now the exclusive contract is in the hands of Sony, so now we get diddly squat (although at least they know how to make good baseball games if you do happen to own their console). Why MLBPA, why?
@BlockPunch This site has regularly delayed reviews/final scores for various other titles so it could properly review online functionality. The final score for Super Smash Bros last winter is a prime example. The preview (which was not so positive in the least) they posted a week ago reads practically like a full fledged review anyway.
You "don't mean to question the integrity of this site", but then you do exactly that.
@rjejr That still doesn't explain why they're phasing out the Wiimote in their Wii U games even though it's clearly the better motion control scheme in certain genres like the aforementioned sports games and first person shooters. Sure, they wouldn't work anymore on the NX if it's backwards compatible with Wii U games, but that just means you'd have to settle for the GamePad or traditional control schemes to play those games on the NX or just continue to play them on the Wii U, just as we had to give up GameCube controller functionality (save for one specific exception) to play our Wii games on the Wii U. Oh well, I'll just continue to dream about those wonderful long-lost days when I could play "Conduit 2" online.
Will you be doing a review for Amiibo Festival? For some reason next to no reviews have been published by news sites, and I have a sneaking suspicion Nintendo is stopping them on purpose...
@ThomasBW84 I think single player is very important too! Will the lacklustre single player mode affect the score even if you liked the online modes or will the online modes save the game in your opinion?
Certainly looks great & I like the new additions to the rooster but there's no hiding the fact it's pretty bare content wise given its price, not to mention the disappointment of no wacky introduction & mini games compared to previous Camelot entries.
I rather enjoyed Mario Tennis Open on the 3ds despite its repeativeness & heavy use of power shots - good fun in local multiplayer as well as having some cool mini games & unlockable gear/costumes. But if me & my brother need a tennis fix this festive season, we'll just stick to the gamecube version I picked up a few weeks back.
@3dsgeek333
Nintendo didn't stop Amiibo Festival, many sites have reviewed it.
They just sent the review copies out on Thursday or Friday depending on when each received theirs.
Many sites probably aren't going to review Amiibo Festival, because they don't think it's worth their time.
To be fair either you will enjoy Amiibo Festival or down right hate it.
I for one enjoy Amiibo Festival, primarily the board game and Quiz show.
Though I don't like Balloon Island game.
I haven't played the other mini games yet.
Also this version of Mario Tennis, is made by Camelot not Nintendo.
Camelot has made ever iteration of Mario Tennis and Golf starting with Gamecube.
Camelot has been hit and miss over the past decade.
Disappointed in Nintendo for considering this game "finished". It really is a cash grab, shovelware, whatever you want to call it. Its not a bunch of morons making these games. These are teams of highly skilled devs who knew from the bottom of their hearts that gamers would want online play with friends, genuine amiibo support, and at least a concerted effort on single player. We got none of those things, and I dont think we should be niave to the fact that they know what they put out. In fact, yes, they did it on purpose, because they needed a game for the holiday lineup, after Starfox got delayed. This is a worst case scenario for Nintendo. They're now knowingly releasing a shallow gaming experience for almost full price, with the intent of salvaging some of the money they would have made on Starfox this Holiday season. They're going to hurt their already wounded image with the hardcore fans, who are spending ridiculous amounts of money on amiibos and other software, who cant afford to have fifry dollars pulled out from under them for something like this.
I'm buying it regardless.
@DarthKlarc
To Nintendo's defense only the N64 version of Mario Tennis is highly rated.
All the other versions saw gamers and reviewers complain about different features and gameplay, which hurt the reception.
Mario Tennis and Golf have never sold well period, other than to diehard fans of those series.
Nintendo and Camelot really don't know what to do with Mario Tennis and Golf to please everyone.
IGN gave it a 4/10 Ouch.. I'll still get it though,just not on day 1.
@rjejr
I've observed that Nintendo refuses to advertise any game that's less than stellar. It's almost as if they feel guilty selling the public bad product.
Notice that with Devil's Third, Fatal Frame, Amiibo Festival and Mario Tennis, no ads or push of any kind. But Splatoon, Xenoblade X, Fire Emblem Fates... Lots of push.
Not to say games like Fatal Frame are bad- I actually love it- it just didn't sweep the floor with those classic Nintendo 9's
@Shy_Guy
Don't take too much stock in reviews.
Gamespot famously gave Mario Kart 64 a 6.8 because they claimed it was a lackluster rehash.
Wii Party and Wii Party U were widely trash in reviews but were good multiplayer games and digital board games.
Splatoon received a lot of negative reviews as well from mainstream publications.
It also received a lot of reviews in the mid 70s too.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/splatoon/critic-reviews?dist=neutral
My point is reviews are supposed to be "professional" opinion.
All reviews are subjective and shouldn't be taken as fact.
@JaxonH
Fatal Frame isn't bad game, it's just one that won't sell well.
All gaming companies only advertise games that have huge sales potential while giving other games with small sales lackluster marketing.
Just because a game doesn't review well and/or sell well, doesn't make it a bad game.
You should judge games based on your own opinions.
I've bought a lot of games with lackluster and bad reviews only to enjoy them over the years and different platforms.
It's time to drop Camelot as a whole, Nintendo. They clearly have no care in the world for the Mario sports games and are too disgruntled with the Golden Sun series after Dark Dawn's development hell to ever touch that series again.
Camelot just doesn't care anymore. Time to drop them.
I never listen to the reviews,as long the game is fun to me,that's all that matters
@Shy_Guy
Maybe you will enjoy this game.
I don't care for Mario Tennis myself never have.
@Xenocity
"Not to say games like Fatal Frame are bad- I actually love it- it just didn't sweep the floor with those classic Nintendo 9's"
That's what I just posted. So I just said I think it's a good game.
I NEVER judge by reviews. I judge by my own opinions. Always. But this is not "judging". This is an observation. It is a fact the game scored mediocre reviews. Observable fact. It is also a fact they made almost zero push to sell the game- another observable fact.
And yes, it has everything to do with how well the game is going to be received. Has nothing to do with sales. Mario Tennis has sales potential- HUGE sales potential. Like @rjejr said- it's got Mario, it's releasing during the holidays- everything is aligned for blockbuster success. So why are they shunning the game? Because of what I just explained- they know it's not a top-tier release so they don't push it. Regardless of sales potential.
@JaxonH
I didn't see that part, I apologize.
No Mario Tennis has never been a big seller, not even on N64 (the best selling version).
The Gamecube game and Wii port struggled in sales as did the GBA and 3DS Games.
Anyways there is no shortage of decent to great games on Wii U this year.
Most people only buy a game here and there, while many of us fans buy them as they come out.
If you are one of those people who regularly blow through a game ever week or two, then obviously you are out of games to play this year.
But I play many games repeatedly and love unlocking content.
Hell I'm playing Splatoon, Nintendo Land (when people are over), Smash Bros Wii U(still unlocking moves and equipment), Hyrule Warriors (I think this maybe the first time a game can qualify for having too much content), AC: Amiibo Festival (I love playing the board game and Quiz Show currently), Mario Maker, Omega Ruby, New Leaf, and a few other 3DS Games.
I still need to complete the bonus world in 3D World and 3D Land, I need to complete unlocking all the Red Ring stages in Lost World, I plan to replay Skyward Sword (Since I don't remember much about it), Bayonetta 1 (Don't remember much about it), and Metroid Prime 3.
Add in getting XCX and other games early next year, I have plenty to play.
It doesn't help that I am also still addicted to Cities Skylines,
So for the general populace, many are now getting around to playing other games that released earlier this year.
@JaxonH Reggie can only find so much loose change in his sofa cushion's, and that's NoA's marketing budget, so it makes sense they save what little they have for certain games. This holiday is all about the big 3 - SMM, Spaltoon and SSBU. I guess they figure if people buy the Smash Spalt bundle they'll only have enough money left for 1 other game, SMM, and nothing else. Well maybe a couple of amibo. You were correct about those being around more BTW. If Target had that many today TRU and Gamestop must be packed. My Walmart shut down so I don't go n those anymore.
I haven't seen any real marketing yet for XCX either but I know Nintendo only likes to advertise 1 week in advance so XCX won't get any coverage until after Thanksgiving. US could get XC on the eShop on the 25th when the 50% off sales start, that would be nice.
Nintnedo is trying though. Or at least Target is. Between Monday and today the Wii U kiosk add vids for XCX and AC:aF and a playable demo for Mario Tennis. And a few amiibo. I still have no idea where the AC:aF box is supposed to go though, there isn't a spot on a shelf for it anywhere. And I looked hard. Nothing.
@iflywright @BulbasaurusRex
Hopefully the Feds investigating the FIFA scandal will find some dirt on the way EA acquire licenses leading to a few other publishers making sports games!
@BulbasaurusRex "That still doesn't explain why they're phasing out the Wiimote in their Wii U games "
When Mario Tennis was announced I said it was Day 1 for my family. Then I realzied no motion support so I decided I wasnt getting it at all. Then somebody else pointed out to me that Mario Tennis games never have motion controls - except for the New Play Control port of Mario Tennis on GameCube. So my guess is they didn't drop motion for Ultra Smash, they are just used to not having motion in Mario tennis games.
I also think it's why there are no Mii skins in this game. Miis and motion go together in Sports Club, Mario is about traditional controls.
And I think it's less about Wii U games not having motion and more about Wii U just not having games. Wii had so many more games than Wii U. Paper Mario, Sluggers, Strikers Charged, Sports Mix, none of those series had follow ups on Wii U. Sports had Sports Resort, Wii Fit had Wii Fit Plus, Wii Music, nothing like those follow ups on Wii U. Its just empty.
@rjejr
XCX has been constantly streamed in multiple languages on Twitch and YouTube with a decent social media presence on Facebook and Twitter.
XCX has been streamed by IGN, GameXplain and a few others.
They've given the game a showing a few directs and it's the media's darling at the moment with many outlets doing write up and previews.
The review embargo is up on the 30th.
Gamestop and others have XCX displays up now.
It's better than the marketing Valve is doing for Steam Machines, Steam OS and Steam controller.
The game will easily get drowned by Halo 5, Call of Duty, GTAV, Fallout 4, EA Sports, Assassins Creed, Star Wars Battlefront and PS4 general ads, which are all I see on TV and in magazines currently.
Every holiday that is how it goes in the West.
It's kind of hard to compete when Microsoft, Sony, EA, Take Two, Activision and Bethesda each spend hundreds of millions of dollars just to market one game in the U.S. during the holiday period (ending in the first week in January).
Literally everything else is being drowned out by the Blockbuster AAA game mentality in the West during the holiday period.
Retailers get paid way more money to advertise and promote the big blockbuster AAA titles over all other games, which is why the promote those games.
If you literally release any game up against the big blockbuster AAA titles, your game will be quickly drowned out and forgotten unless it is on a newly launching system.
Because of how quickly the game will be drowned out, Nintendo isn't going to bother to compete for marketing space on titles of lesser potential. Other companies follow this route too.
There is no game Nintendo can produce to steal thunder from a Star Wars, Halo 5, Fall Out 4 year or in most years too.
Nintendo games just aren't made with Blockbuster AAA mentality in mind and aren't popular with "hardcore' and most core gamers who are put off by the kiddy and "casual" stigma the Nintendo brand traditionally holds.
'No immediate rematch option,' honestly, can anyone think of a reason for this? Even Street fighter IV, a 3ds launch title, had that option for heaven's sake. I was hoping Nintendo had included a full compliment of online options. That doesn't seem to be the case, from the sound of things this game does not deserve to sell well.
Well basically this turned out exactly like I imagined. Lackluster 1P mode and online is holding it up. That's what you can say about most of the online Nintendo games. Splatoon & Mario Kart come to mind. Smash is probably the exception there. Why do they do this? "Oh you wanted Online games? Okay" makes online but removes P1 mode's excitement. It always goes that way "Oh you wanted virtual reality at it's earliest stage?" gives motion controls takes away controls that make sense "Oh you want better handheld graphics from the future?" gives you 3D makes you loose your lunch
The only review which matters is Xenoblade X. This looks meh & always has. The mushroom power up cut scene looks like it would drive me nuts, constantly interuppting the flow of the game.
I'm not too interested in this game, but I find it interesting that the online mode is apparently vital to assessing the quality of the game. IGN's review didn't even mention the online at all. I guess this once again shows that you should always proceed with caution in IGN's reviews.
@IceClimbers
It's impossible for us to know who is responsible for this going out unfinished. Could be Camelot but then its Nintendo who will have funded it, they may have set the deadlines and the requirements.
@JaxonH "So why are they shunning the game?"
Amazing what a difference a few hours can make, huh? I was so up on this game after playing the demo this morning, and so down on it after reading the reviews. Well not the opinion aspect of the reviews, I don't care what people on IGN think, but facts are facts. I thought I was playing a demo, a tiny piece of a larger game, but it seems like that was a much larger part of the game than I thought. I can survive w/o voice chat, but come on, you have to make a "Friend" option. At least have an mini ND saying it will be updated in January like SSBU and Spaltoon were. I'm will to pay for a underdome under sea court w/ fish swimming around in the background, or in a glass dome in space w/ spaceships and shooting stars flying by. Maybe while wearing spacesuits. As is it doesn't seem worth $50.
@Xenocity "Gamestop and others have XCX displays up now."
Well if thats the case then that's great, I have't been in 1 this week. An dI've also said I think they'll get more adverting after BF, which I think they will. I know they don't do tv commercials much, but I woudl like to see this gain some traction i stores and online. The Prima $25 guide looks like the first guide I'll buy since Echo the Dolphin: Defender of the earth on the Dreamcast. I won't use it as a guide though, I just want to flip thru it, look at the pictures, then read it after I'm done playing to see what I've missed.
Garbage game will stay garbage.
I've been reading other reviews around the web....
Ouch. Really bad. And I'm not just talking about the heavy hitters like IGN and Gamespot. Even the other Nintendo Enthusiast sites are crushing it. NWR gave it a 3.5.
With both this and Amiibo Festival, it's been a rough November. Thankfully the shining light of Xenoblade arrives soon.
My favorite one was Power Tour for the GBA due to the story mode. It wasn't a story that was going to win a prize, but at least it had a good excuse for a single player mode. But both mario tennis for 3DS and Wii U seem to share the same problem - thay have too little content. I traded my copy of the 3DS version as credit for my XCX preorder.
The Mode where the ones that got me interest in Game. but after the review. I think I could wait for a discount. (if there is one.)
and, i sorta play games that has Negative Responds. and sadly this review confessed me that it should been push back to next year. (glad they did that for Star Fox Zero, it looks alot better IMO. )
i shall, continued on foot with Fallout 4!
I was going to buy this for playing online regardless of the bad reviews I knew it would get due to lack of modes but hearing it can suffer from lag is very concerning. I think I'll wait for the NL review now.Not being able to play friend matches is an unbelievable omission.
@luke88 simple, the reasoning is because nintendo and Camelot are both lazy. Nintendo still treats online gaming as some small afterthought.
Honestly when will they realise and admit that they are miles behind the competition.
And yes you will still see this happening on some titles on the NX.
@rjejr
It's a shame, but I think you're right. Although I feel that doesn't excuse them from abandoning motion controls from games like Mario Tennis, because the WiiU is still a wii to me.
Of course online is important, but it's far from being the core of this game. People aren't paying for a online-only experience, they're probably going for the full package, which is lackluster as far as I read. Can't wait for the review. This game received mixed scores so far, but none went above 8/10. Seems like Nintendo has ZERO to offer this holiday for people who aren't going for Xenoblade X.
Nintendo is so weird, you can't connect to your friends online? This has to be a mistake?
I enjoyed Mario Tennis Open, but this sounds like a rushed, cash grab experience that was put out so Nintendo could say they had more than Xenoblade to offer this holiday. Nintendo's 2016 seems pretty promising so far, so hopefully they're working to turn things around. 2015 has probably been their worst year so far, even more so than 2013.
Seems like nintendo didn't care to much about this titles and just wanted to add another game to their holiday line up. Sad Day.
@BakaKnight Your profile icon is awesome. Love the Klonoa games.
LOL Nintendo of Europe is now giving us Mario Tennis 64 for us digital buyers. Why not throw the GBA version as well so I'll buy it day one?
I was hoping that this game would be good and I don't have to play it so see that it's only a shameless cash grab, sorely lacking in features.
Would've gladly taken a remake of say Super Mario 64, for example, over something like this.
Not too much to ask since Zelda is on its 4th remake already in less than 5 years.
@Grumblevolcano
It was ruined because you could only play best of 3...beyond stupidity, honestly the stupidest thin ever, similar to Mario Kart 8 and Smash's lacking online.
The games aside from that are amazing, but that makes it the more frustrating.
@MIDP MK8 and Smash's online are great. As for only best of 3 that is another downfall of Mario Tennis Open's online, but I feel region locked online is the biggest problem. If you're not going to bother to put in worldwide online, then just don't bother putting any online at all. In European regions, region locked and no online are pretty much identical.
@Salnax @JeffreyG @mjharper @ericthecheese
You're right, my comments are a total contradiction and out of line. Nintendo Life does not deserve to be disrespected in such a manner. My apologies.
I guess I'm just really disappointed with the reviews for Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash as it appears that Nintendo has blatantly rushed the game out (to fill in for the lack of Star Fox and Zelda... obviously!) and put no effort whatsoever into making it the best game it can potential be.
And I really hope that Nintendo isn't putting any pressure on Nintendo Life to delay their review score for the sake of an additional star or two.
Lucky for Nintendo they have Xenoblade otherwise the quality of their games this year has been well below par imo.
I mean how could they release this without any tournaments or story mode? Also only having one stadium is very lazy...
You'd think the lack of releases would be made up with quality in their releases but this doesn't seem to be the case at the moment unfortunately...
@rjejr Well, they did give us Wii Fit U, but I agree that the Wii U definitely needs more sports games.
@Grumblevolcano "If you're not going to bother to put in worldwide online, then just don't bother putting any online at all."
That is just hyperbole right? I'm pretty sure most American families are just fine playing w/ only other American families. Now Mario Tennis Ultra Smash - where you can't even play w/ other friends or families, that they shouldn't even bother.
@BulbasaurusRex When I wrote that I knew I didn't explain it very well but I didn't know how to make it right.
My point was, Wii U hasn't had many (any?) follow up games.
Wii had pairings of Nintendo games:
Wii Sports then Wii Sports Resort
Wii Fit then Wii Fit Plus
Super Mario Galaxy then Super Mario Galaxy 2
Wii Play then Wii Play Motion
Zelda Twilight Princess then Zelda Skyward Sword
and Wii had parings of 3rd party games:
Boom Blox then Boom Blox 2
No More Heroes then No More Heroes 2
Endless Ocean then Endless Ocean Blue World
Wii U has:
Wii Sports Club
Wii Fit U
SM3DW
Zelda U
To be fair, Wii U has only been out 3 years - this is it's 4th holiday though, Wii was out about 5 w/ support from Ntinedo - it's still getting Just Dance. But we haven't heard of any follow-ups in the making. Pikmin 4 is supposedly almost complete, but they haven't announced it yet, probably meaning 3DS, mobile or NX.
I think by it's 4th holiday Wii U should be getting games like Nintendo Land 2 or Wii Sports Club 2 w/ more online games. They made the entire Sports Club out of recycled games from Wii Sports, didn't they? So where's Wii Sports Resort U? Or Wii Fit U 2? If they aren't giving us another Sluggers or Strikers or Sports Mix we should at least get basic sequels.
Wii also had some smaller games like Elebits and Zak and Wiki which really helped fill in the Wii roster, even if it wasn't getting all of the AAA HD games.
Sure, Wii had a lot of shovelware, and Wii Music, but it always seemed to have something worth writing about. Wii U seems to be missing a lot, and not just 3rd party AAA games either.
@Grumblevolcano Well, I kind of disagree.
Mario Kart 8, It's online is allright I guess, not great though.
What I really thought of was MK7 which is terrible in my opinion, well, OK at most maybe.
The problem is that it is so unnecessary complicated to start a community race with friends. You have to time it right and go in and out until you're in the same group, unnecessary annoying.
The other thing is that you can not customize your communities. 4 Race only, no CPU's.
I get that you might not want CPU's for some competitive reasons, but that's why it should be a choice. Whenever I play with my brother and girlfriend, it is just so stupid because we'll be only the 3 of us racing, which makes it so unbalanced.
Smash 4, I think is terrible too. The regular online is OK, but I've tried to join Tourneys like a 100 times, and only gotten to play once, against one guy.
So basically, I've been waiting around for people for hours.
That is probably the worst online ever.
They could've easily have made it like other games where you join a lobby and see who's online and what games are about to start etc.
I think there is no excuse for how bad it is, other than that it would've been good if it worked.
And for Mario Tennis 3DS, like I said, I agree that online is bad, but I would not rather be without it. I still play it online fairly often. If it was without the online, I'd probably not play it at all.
But like I said, it has that typical Nintendo failure to it, all they would've needed was to let you choose the rules like in local, is that really that much to ask for?
That would make it a pretty strong, or at least waaay stronger online mode.
I'm happy that you like MK8 and Smash online though, its good that they can satisfy some people.
What do you think about MK7 though?
Don't you find the things I mention annoying, or is it no biggie?
@MIDP I wasn't particularly impressed by MK7 in general. Didn't like the fact there was no VS Race mode in single player, would've been nice to for example be able to create a "Wii Cup" consisting of Mushroom Gorge, Coconut Mall, Koopa Cape and Maple Treeway. Also the spamming from MKWii returned, about 90% of random online races were either Toad Circuit or 3DS Rainbow Road.
As for Smash 4, you essentially missed your chance with tourneys, they were pretty active from their release late July to the major Splatoon update in August. The Wii U install base is not big enough to sustain several big titles to be active online. Splatoon will be active from its release back in May to the end of new content in January 2016, by Twilight Princess HD's release in March the Splatoon community will be very small. Smash 4 will become more active once more significant DLC is added like hopefully an E3 type content quantity straight after the December Direct.
Regarding Mario Tennis Open the general situation is whatever the game, if the online's region locked then said game essentially dies in Europe very quickly. I expect even a game like Tri Force Heroes to be inactive in Europe because of the region lock.
But I think they had some kind of VS where you could either go "random", "loser", "winner" etc. in MK7, if I'm not mistaken. The thing they didn't have in local was that you couldn't decide if you wanted to go 4-32 races which you have always been able to in the other titles. That is the biggest reason I love MK in general, you can get together locally with like 4 people you know, and do these really big tourneys with 12, 16 or sometimes even 32 races with a half time snack break.
So the absence of that kind of ruined it for me, not very much can happen within 4 races, either you win or you lose, no dramatic comebacks, no scrambling for points, no calculating on how many points you need the last X races in order to secure victory. Those are the things I enjoy with my friends.
On Smash, that is the weird thing, I specifically was online regularly when the updates had just come out, maybe like a week after they had been up. But still no activity. The problem wasn't no activity, the problem is the way they have set it up. It is set up so that in order to play, you have to randomly be inside and part of a tourney that happens to have someone in it at the moment, but that's nuts if you ask me. So now you can have 200 people online, all in separate tourneys all alone waiting for others, instead of having a system where all these could make 2-4 tourneys together. That is the problem.
Its funny, I bought Splatoon on launch but still haven't had time to play.
I've been really busy lately, but I have to check it out while its still active.
Is it possible to play Splatoon Game Pad only?
@MIDP They probably figured that if players wanted to do that kind of local Mario Kart multiplayer, they'd all sit in front of a TV screen playing a console version. If you're on the go with one or two other people and decide on some local handheld Mario Kart, you're not going to have the time for a marathon gaming session.
As for the Smash Bros. tourneys, didn't you try the predefined tourneys? Those tell you how many players are currently signed up for each one. Plus, they finally let you play stock matches online in some of them.
You are absolutely right that these games could use more online options, but the same could be said for ANY Nintendo game with online play ever made, even the third party ones. I don't know if there are some over-restrictive policies in place or what, but it has gotten very annoying with how Nintendo can't even keep up with 90's PC games in this area.
This seems more like a filler game to me like AC Amiibo Festival. They really want to give most of their attention to NX. But hey, onl two weeks till Xenoblade Chronicles X.
I used to be quite a huge fan of Mario Tennis. Me and my brother had the first four games (sorry, first four games after the Virtual Boy one) and I loved the RPG mode in the handheld titles. But in the end it's just tennis and after four titles I've had enough. It's not like Mario Kart where you get to race new tracks or Smash Bros with a battle system that never seems to get old. I've tried the Virtual Boy and 3DS games but I've already had my fix of Mario Tennis.
If other reviews from around the are any indication, this game is yet another total piece of garbage from Nintendo. No surprises there.
This game is fun, but THERE IS NO WAY TO PLAY WITH YOUR ONLINE FRIENDS. No lobbies or communities. I bought this game specifically for this reason and now Im stuck with a game I could have played on the gamecube.
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