We could see the end of dedicated games hardware in the near future, states Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter.
Speaking at DICE Europe last week, the outspoken industry expert tackled the issue of the end of the console era, and pointed out that in terms of pure sales figures, this generation is unlikely to beat the last one - indicating that the market has plateaued:
The console installed base is as big as it's ever going to get. [This] generation is not going to be bigger than the last generation. We're going to be about the same.
The Wii U is going to sell 20 million units compared to 100 million for the Wii. The PlayStation 4 is going to sell 120 million or 130 million - that's great. The Xbox One will sell 100 million to 110 million - that's great. Add it all together and it's 260 million units, maybe, and the last cycle was 270 million.
This is the last real console cycle. I don't mean that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo will go bankrupt and shut down - they will not. Each of them will make another console, some people will buy them, and the next console cycle will be to this console cycle what the 3DS is to the DS. The 3DS is selling about 15 million units a year, the DS had five consecutive years where it sold more than 26 million. So about half as big.
So when I say that this console cycle is the last console cycle, the reason is that console games shouldn't require a console. And I'm not talking about the cloud.
Pachter's outlook takes in the fact that the number of people in the world who play video games is now higher than ever thanks to the impact of smartphones and tablets, as well as the entry-points which were the Wii and DS. Gaming is a popular pastime that is indulged in by people of all ages and walks of life, making the industry bigger than ever. However, Pachter feels that the existing console market is limiting further growth by ensuring that all of the biggest and best titles require you to purchase an expensive gaming system.
Pachter argues that for the market is continue growing, it needs to abandon its fixation with dedicated home consoles in the same way that many game developers have turned their backs on consoles and made millions on smart devices which are used for many different activities, not just gaming. He feels that all that should be needed to play games at home is a CPU, a GPU, storage, a controller, and a screen.
Of course, we've already seen devices of this kind fail badly at retail. Android micro-consoles like the Ouya have failed to find an audience, and the reception given to the recent Apple TV refresh - which has a strong gaming focus - is curiously muted. In Pachter's eyes, we're not quite at the point of giving up consoles yet, but when these set-top boxes become powerful enough to faithfully reproduce a AAA console experience, then there will be no turning back:
What happens when you lower the entry so nobody has to buy a console? If Activision sells 20 million copies of Call of Duty to people with a console, how many people would buy it who don't have a console? I'm guessing 20 million more. To make it easier for the Europeans in the room, how many more people would play FIFA if a console wasn't required? Another 20 million.
How many people would play Grand Theft Auto if you didn't need a console? 100 million. It's crazy numbers. This just makes so much sense. It is going to happen.
There's plenty of 30 or 40-somethings who would like to play FIFA or Call of Duty, but they can't. They're not going to buy a console for one game, and I'd say that's true of every single [console] game made. There's a market of probably several million people who would never buy a console to play the game, but would absolutely buy the game.
I think the traditional gamer market - which has high standards - does broaden. But the only way you actually see a step function change in that is to pull the console out of the equation, and make it open to people who can't afford or won't buy a console.
I think this shift to full-game digital downloads, where everybody has the opportunity to play a game without having to invest $399 is a huge opportunity. It's an opportunity for everyone in the value chain, except the retailer and maybe the console manufacturer.
So where does this leave Nintendo, a company which Pachter has singled out in the past for criticism? Unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo has always taken pride in the fact that it is focused on games above everything else, and the Wii, DS, 3DS and Wii U have all demonstrated the firm's commitment to creating hardware which supports its software by coming up with unique control or visual elements which can only be appreciated by owning a dedicated system.
However, even Nintendo is moving with the times by developing games for smartphones - an unthinkable event only a few years ago - and this shows that the industry as a whole is changing.
What are your thoughts on these comments? Where do you think the games industry will be at the end of this current hardware generation, or in 10 years time? Let us know by posting a comment.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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"Michael Pachter"
i stopped reading at that point.
"Outspoken" in this case, I think, means "usually wrong".
If you make enough predictions you are bound to be right once in a while. For example I predict there will be a game releasing for Wii U in February, that Sony will sell the most home consoles this holiday, that Microsoft will buy out a competitor before the new year, Thomas will write an editorial about how much he loves donuts, and the Super Bowl 50 champion will be the Green Bay Packers.
I'm not reading any news about Patcher because he has nothing interesting to say, NOTHING AT ALL, and I know because there have been tons of stupid stuff I have already read. Just wanted to comment that. I don't understand why some websites still pay him SO MUCH attention.
Okay, let's give this a good read-nevermind, it's Pachter. Seriously, why are people even still listening to this guy?
I can go with Pachter in the first quote. In the second one, I think he is wrong. Most people that is fond of playing Call of Duty already have a console. If the game is available in generic systems, it will undoubtly attract new players. However, it will definitely not double the audience. Also, he doesn't address the emerging market as a potential grow to dedicated consoles. A box such as the new Apple TV is not as attractive as it doesn't have the full range of services of the American counterpart (I can rent and purchase movies but not TV shows in Brazil). In the other hand, last generation consoles are priced competively with it and can provide gam experiences nearly as fulfilling as the current generation machines.
Um... this was something that was said last year.... by a lot of people and analysists.... Though i am pretty sure Nintendo will continue with something, the others may move on but even still, that is questionable... very questionabe. I do find it interesting how he does claim it will be the last though when we know Nintendo will release another console and the others expect to sell more than last gen... so why would they stop?
Its Patcher. I think the guy already proved you can take him seriously.
I just realized Patcher is less analyst and more Roger-Ebert-of-video-games; he's only around to fill a void of proclaiming nonsense.
"I'm going to keep making these outlandish predictions, because one day, one of them will actually be somewhat correct, and I'll be able to tell the world I told you so!"
Seriously, I don't see the consoles going away just yet. They are still incredibly popular (see the very sales numbers he references in his first quote), and the consoles themselves have evolved in such a way that they continue to maintain their relevance in a household.
I can pull numbers out of my backside too
Michael Pachter, a complete assclown that thinks he knows what he's talking about. Oh the joyous celebration that's to be had when he's finally gone! He shall not be missed.
Shut up, Pachter.
The only thing he had correct was the DS - the 3DS is definitely selling far less units than the DSlite did. I love my DS to death, but my $40 Android can play higher resolution games than my $200 3DS XL, so i can certainly see a parents of 5 kids buying everyone an Android and loading them up on $1-5 apps, vs a single DS for the same price.
The ps4 numbers are way off it will sell 140-170 million units the Xbox one around 78-85 million. The Wii u around 15 million
'This will be the last real console cycle'
'They will make one more console'
So then, based on the same interview, the NEXT cycle is the last.
But not really.
It will be one of those notorious fake cycles.
That has real consoles.
But Pachter doesn't acknowledge.
Right.
He's an idiot.
And he's an idiot for one simple fact: those sorts of systems don't have any advantages or perks for devs. The current lot has copy protection. Infinitely better controllers. And the specs aren't even comparable.
The thing is, the next console cycle will be the last, because that's how long it will take for the Ouyas and the Fire TV HDs of the world to catch up to consoles.
The only thing they need is a support staff (in house or 3rd party) to legitimize the venture and as of now, THAT is what's missing.
When you compare DQ8 on PS2, mobile and the 3DS, there is no comparison. The PS2 version is still vastly superior and the mobile version is still vastly inferior. Until the EXPERIENCE is better, consoles and dedicated gaming devices will always have a market.
The end of console cycles may happen sometime, but it's not happening next gen, and cloud gaming isn't going to boot it out. I think it's more likely that we'll have a longer console cycle, when people grow tired of buying a new machine every 5 years, and companies just have to try to support their current console for longer. But people still buy iPhones every two years, so it's not happening any time soon.
What the fudge is he actually saying? There are plenty of games out there that you can buy without needing to purchase a console - they're called PC games.
As an analyst, he's not doing a bad job, but as a visionary, he absolutely and hilariously sucks. I think it's funny people look to analysts for vision. It's like asking an elephant for ballet techniques.
This is all based on the assumption that the status quo is never going to change and the concept of a game playing machine is not going to evolve. Which doesn't happen in any market, ever.
Fine analyst, bad visionary.
Can we hear from an ACTUAL analyst that knows why he's talking next time? It get's tiring listening to this monkey scrotum every time, honestly, surely you can find better than Pachter?
I'm fully aware of who he is and of his past interviews/articles, but I read through the article anyways. I think the one thing that these "experts" miss is that the dedicated gamers don't want to play smartphone games. Don't get me wrong, not all smartphone games are horrible but I think we can all agree that they are not typically the deepest gaming experiences. There's only so many "puzzle style, time killing games" that you can play before it get's repetitive.
This brings me to my next point, PC gaming. I don't do PC gaming, although I'm not against it either. I think the reason I've never got into it is simply because I've never owned a machine powerful enough to play the games I wanted to play. All I know, is that for me, consoles seem to be cheaper then buying a powerful enough PC for me to game on. I will personally buy a console in the next generation. Now the question will be which company will get my support. Also, when Nintendo's NX comes out, will it be considered current gen or next gen? Will it be on par or a slightly better then the Xbone & PS4 or will it be beyond those two systems? I guess we'll find out eventually....until then, I'll be enjoying the great games that are currently available.
Don't a lot of people here owe Pachter an apology for calling him "a moron" "always wrong" "doesn't know what he's talking about" etc. for predicting the failure of the Wii U years ago?
Nintendolife knows we hate him, that's why they put this up for us. More angry clicks, more comments, more add revenue.
That's why I use AdBlock. So I can hate Patcher and not have to give someone money for it.
@andrew20 no system has ever sold 180 million. The PS4 is only at 25,000,000 several years into its life.
@andrew20 no system has ever sold 180 million. The PS4 is only at 25,000,000 several years into its life.
@russellohh it had been 2 years and ps4 has not reach peak sells, the ps2 got up to 155 million in 14 years.
@BinaryFragger Thanks
Also I put 170 max not 180 but for ps4 and Xbox gen will last for 10+ years maybe even more before the next one comes out
Does someone pay this Pachter creature for his utter gibberish and nonsense, because they must be equally as mad if they do.
There are many things wrong with this latest rendition into the crazy world of Pachter, but the biggest one is to suggest that there are people out there who would want to play FIFA or COD and no other game...REALLY. How completely ignorant is that. And then to patronise Europeans be using FIFA as an example..."yeah sure Pachter I didn't get what you was saying when you highlighted COD, but now you mention FIFA I now get it - duh silly me".
So for the first time I somewhat agree with Patcher. Dedicated consoles are gone. Nintendo held out as long as they could but even they had to be drug kicking and screaming. Today's boxes are media centers and while that is great for those that want the most bang for their buck and use a lot of different services the dedicated game space is getting smaller and smaller. Many veteran game companies have either gone under or are sitting on franchises due to them not being viable sources of revenue. The golden era of tons of franchises is over...for now. I still feel that indies have the chance to become big enough to start seeding more franchises but I expect by then the landscape will be very different.
This needs to stop. You gaming sites need to stop posting about the crazy stuff Michael says. He is like Trump but he never goes away. I rather get gaming predictions from a bunny.
Michael Pachter is a really smart guy and is a good industry annalist.
Pachter, you old dog.
@andrew20 The PS2 was selling a few thousand a year by the end. The first 60,000,000 were in the first 2 years, and it hit 100 million in five. Overall, that's three times faster than the PS4. I doubt its suddenly going to hit a 400% increase in sales, and maintain it, for a decade.
I've been a Nintendo fan since the late 80's, but even I would never think that the Wii U will make 20 million, 15 tops. As for the XBone, the best Microsoft can hope for is matching the 360 numbers.
If you look at what he says, he's basically having another dig at Nintendo for not reaching the numbers they did last gen.
The guy is a moron.
Please stop reporting about this guy. Thank you.
"To make it easier for the Europeans in the room, how many more people would play FIFA if a console wasn't required? Another 20 million."
Thank god he mentioned FIFA there, I wasn't understanding such a complicated idea up until that point.
Just imagine how many people would have seen Jurassic World had we done away with cinemas. Think how many cars we'd have without money (for Europeans reading, when I say cars and money, I actually mean cars and money).
The big three will adapt anyway. I think my favourite was the MS estimation, and I'd also be over the moon if Wii U hit 20m.
Ignoring the fact that this is Michael Pachter and actually giving the article a fair read, I do think that eventually everyone will switch to digital downloads.
For now, it might be a bit far off.
He doesn't say anything here that hasn't been said a million times before, but putting "Proclaims" in the title rather that "Suggests" simply fuels the Pachter hate. Probably good for business though.
And I think his point of "real" is, it's all down hill from here. People still buy actual record albums, and CDs, and DVDs, and read actual books printed on paper, digital hasn't completley done away w/ physical yet - though admittedly I'd be hard pressed to purchase an 8 track, but physical media has improved upon other physical media, it still exists in some form. Dedicated game consoles will probably continue to exist in some form, but there heyday ended last gen, which is probably very accurate if you include DS and PSP sales in last gen and 3DS and Vita in this gen.
Here's the caveat though - how good can dedicated game consoles become? In case Pachter missed it, game consoles do other things. I purchased a PS3 last Christmas to stream video and play games, but the streaming was most important to me. HE implies that cheaper system swill replace gaming consoles, but what if Ntineod, Sony and Miscorosft make those cheaper systems, and they play games? Maybe they wouldn't be entirely dedicated gaming consoles, but gaming consoles have been streaming Netflix players, and DVD players, for 2 generations now, nothing changes, except "Gaming consoles" being called "home entertainment centers", which Microsoft at the outset tried very hard to do w/ XboxOne and it's fantasy football focus. I's practically just semantics at this point.
Pachter had the right headline, but dear god, is his article delusional.
I do agree that this will be the last actual gaming console cycle, but for entirely different reasons. And, without trying to sound too mean, convenience is going to be their end.
Basically, people don't want consoles to remain consoles. A game console is a device dedicated towards just one thing: playing games. However, people want more. They want music and video streaming, chat, media players, high-performance browsers, wheather forecasts, social media integration, and even more junk.
By including such things, a game console is turned into a multimedia device, which means the sole focus of gaming is lost to non-gaming aspects. And by looking at it that way, I fear that even Nintendo will not be able to resist this casual appeal for their next console.
So yeah, by definition, consoles are going to die because they're no longer made for gaming alone. Pachter is just letting his wet fantasies run wild there, proclaiming vague theories without any sort of actual direction or argumentation base
@OneBagTravel Close it's spelt ANALlyst. LOL.
Anyway joke fisihed. Being an analyst is a strange job, becasuse your trying to predict the future of something while infact if you are trusted your opions can shape the future. Because companies listen to these people and therefor work towards the future they predicted in cover the expected public needs.
Will he prediciton come try? maybe but that will only be if gamers using dedicated hardware declines or if PC gaming becomes more easy for everyone to enter (Lots of people keep clear as they don't want to mess about with installing cards etc), Where you don't need to worry about the box you have as it is guarenteed to run the game you put into/download onto it.
Like a console does.
Maybe it will be like the 80's again where companies make versions of the same box.
I do not think that dedicated consoles will go away, but they will decline in market share. More and more people will decide that they do not need a console to play good video games. They can do it on a tablet, or a PC or a even use a streaming service on their smart TV.
I'm pretty sure this guy was dead wrong or utter missed several Next Big Things in the industry. How many times does that get to happen in his career?
He's very likely right though. It probably will head that way eventually. When Nintendo first muttered NX and said it'll be a new "platform" but not a console as we know it, I was curious if it'd be something along the lines of a gaming software environment - platform independent, like Steam. It'd explain the new tied in rewards scheme. Imagine the Wii U O.S with it's integrated e-shop, miiverse and various other channels was available as a future PC/set-top box download on registration or subscription. I love Nintendo consoles and I am extremely impressed with the Wii U's dashboard presentation. if focussing only on that software meant future-proofing the lovely Nintendo experience, it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
It might be a fair few years yet, but we're probably heading that way. I can't argue with wotsisname's vision here.
Wow I couldn't bare to finish this article.
His "predictions" are the lamest joke I heard today.
How can you pull those numbers out of nowhere and stand by it?
What a ******
Unless we go to the cloud, which I think is unlikely for multiple reasons, I don't see how we could move to a world where you don't need to buy hardware. The hardware will get cheaper but it won't go away. A micro-console is still a console.
@BinaryFragger Pachter tells tons of generic stuff just to see if something turns out to be true. The only question is why websites still make articles about those predictions if most of them don't ever become a reality. The websites are to blame here.
I really hate how people like patcher compare the Wii U to the Wii or the 3DS to the DS. Those systems caught fire with a group who have long since gone to mobile gaming, unless something drastic happens like the NX is a full holodeck I doubt we'll ever see Wii numbers again.
Its not even limited to Nintendo I've seen people compare the X1 to the Wii sales. Think we all agree the Wii/DS was a blip not the norm in terms of sales
Patcher is right, but for the wrong reasons. Dedicated consoles will become less of a thing, but only because the next generation will expect something different. As was already pointed out, in other industries the media evolved and the older media is put out to pasture with the exception of those that love it.
Consoles will eventually fade away because something better will come along and deliver what we want in a better way, just as cartridges were replaced by CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray discs, and eventually digital downloads. Eventually someone will figure out how to deliver gaming as a whole without needing a dedicated box on the other end, but we are far away from that as the technology isn't good enough everywhere to deliver it.
It's been said enough but: nonsense. Though I'd be quite happy if the Wii U sales hit his prediction based on the current situation!
While I am not going to disagree with that gaming as we know it today with consoles will probably end soon or later, but I do think at least this generation of consoles and maybe the next generation will be consoles in front of the TV.
The reason why I think gaming with consoles in front of a TV like many of us do today will end is not directly because mobiles, but rather by that our technology in general are evolving and let us try new types of things and experiences.
I could see technologies like the Hololens and the Amusphere from Sword Art Online being the future of gaming, or other things we see in movies and Animes today :+). (No Nervegear please ;^^).
Right now I think the best thing is to not worry so much and just live our lives really .
and i really don't give a hoot what this guy said's all the time.
Found a link to this in the comments on the source article: http://www.wired.com/2009/06/pachter/
Pachter is repeating himself!
Games sell consoles.
If there's a reinvigoration of ideas soon and development costs can come down to a sensible level, I think consoles will continue. If costs spiral out of control and all were left with is annual repeats of COD and Assassin's Creed, people will grow tired of it and somewhere else will come open for people to game, if on a slightly lower budget spec.
And I don't think Microsoft will come close to those numbers, or PS4 either- because there isn't enough of a difference between the two consoles for everyone to own both any more. 85m XB360's, 85m PS3's, and 110m Wii's does not mean there are 280m gamers- probably more like 120m core gamers and 50m so that only bought a Wii last gen. There is overlap and I doubt there will be so much overlap this gen.
So instead of buying expensive consoles, they'll buy... what? Even more expensive computers? Or will the games be formed with the colors of the wind? I guess when you're a hack like Michael Pachter, you have to say whatever to keep yourself relevant. And there's an article about him, with all these comments, including this comment. I guess it worked.
The gaming world is now similar to the Philips CD-I. There are a bunch of different companies producing game streaming boxes all using the same OSes and the same games. PS4 and Xbox One are very much alike and offering mostly the same games and Apps.
No. He is wrong. As input methods evolve and become more complex they will require even more processing power and specialized hardware. Think beyond just graphics. Our living rooms are going to be home to some really impressive tech in the next 5 years.
All that being said... gamers will go where the games are so if they are on console that is where we will be.
@Dakt If you want sites like this to stop posting then maybe you should be working on the people commenting as that would imply people read it, giving them reason to report it then giving Mikey Boy a reason to keep spewing.
@mike_intv Ha! Brilliant! Maybe if he predicts every cycle will be the last he'll be correct eventually...
And the world, its population, and technology will never change, eh Michael?
He's right about one thing: "console games shouldn't require a console". I believe that Nintendo has figured this out. You don't need a console, but you do need something to tie all those devices together to. And that is what the NX will be, IMHO. A hub system that receives downloaded games and interfaces with a bunch of different devices . . . like having your own personal cloud in your game room. But time will tell.
He starts off talking sense and finishes off talking rubbish. I would wager the majority of ppl who want to play COD or GTA already do, the user base would not simply double if the 'console' was removed, they would still need to pay for whatever device would be necessary to play the game, be it a STB or whatever.
Now if he'd used Mario or Smash or Mario Kart as an example I could go along with that. Nintendo would be the biggest winner in such a situation, they make plenty of games console gamers would likely play but won't because they wont buy a nintendo console.
As with everything he says, there's probably an element of truth in there somewhere surrounded by all the nonsense
@Dakt Yes but what incentive is there to give no article when people comment even if it is hate?
It really depends upon whether or not console makers can do what Nintendo did with the Wii and create a new, unique gaming experience that cannot be replicated using generic hardware.
I am amazed that people seem so taken with the PS4 and XB1, which are nothing more than highly-customized, low-end PC's. There is literally nothing that can be done on one of those consoles that cannot also be done on a decent PC or, increasingly, even one of the newer STB's from Amazon, Apple, or Google. (The mobile chips, while not as powerful, are increasingly able to produce visuals that are "good enough" for most gamers on 1080p TV's.)
Pachter cannot possibly predict whether or not the gaming companies can create new interfaces or use existing technologies in unique ways. None of them want to go the SEGA route and become mere content producers for Apple, Google, and Microsoft. I expect that the next cycle will still come and that the companies will push themselves much harder to create consoles that do unique things. And gamers will benefit.
Blah blah blah
So did I miss something guys? ARE SMART PHONES FREE?
What a moron. People spend hundreds of dollars multiple times of year to upgrade their iphone6 to a iphone6s then to the iphone6z then the iphone6giveusyourmoneyagain only to fully ready to upgrade to iphone7sucka without a second thought.
Consoles aren't going anywhere anytime soon. It's just phones are the new main handheld, that's all.
Remember when phones were for talking to people? Those were the days!
@Dakt
Which is why I spend much more time on Nintendolife than Wiiudaily. The difference in the quality of the articles is substantial. If you want to see a site that simply generates hyperbole in return for clicks, go there. I'm glad the guys here have a bit more integrity.
problem isn't with the consoles though. Its with the cost of console games and the length of time and dedication it takes to play them .
How many more would play if they didn't need a dedicated console. Very very few I recon, unless they follow a free to play model.
No thanks
The last generation with consoles dedicated solely to gaming was the GameCube era. Now, consoles do so much more than that, and they probably won't go away any time soon
@AirElephant
I stopped with Wii U daily completely. Not only is everything late when it comes to reporting and most of it feels copy paste and it lacks a lot of content. Even more so that the userbase is just a toxic disease.
@6ch6ris6 Exactly, the guy is a joke.
@6ch6ris6 Done in one, who takes this guy seriously? I mean like a broken clock, I'm sure if he says enough BS eventually he'll be right, but come on.
as long as I have Nintendo games to play, I'm ok
How does this guy get paid for doing this? I want to be a game analyst too!
"In 2017 we'll see the peak of this generation, while new consoles may or may not be announced..."
You see? It's easy
I can really see changes like this happening; not sure how soon. A lot of these companies will just develope an a App that works like Steam or Uplay but be able to use it on all devices. Have the customer bring the hardware; either phone, tablet, computer or television and just work on the OS. The app with an updatable OS will be the new platform. Most people are use to upgrading their phones every 2 years or so and TVs and computers last at most a decade for modern gaming. As times change and more people buy digitally this would be cheaper in the long run with more profit coming from game sales.
I want to argue his point of GTA.
GTA V requires six discs if its on Steam whereas on Consoles, only one is needed.
But you know what? I get the impression that this guy may make consumers want to hate Nintendo so that they can port their games on PC's and what not.......which is odd honestly. Many games that Nintendo has made require substitutes. Why make profit for something to be ported when the games are not designed on PC to begin with?
@6ch6ris6 Could not agree more.
I get a kick out of how this guy gets paid to be a moron
I... actually don't disagree, at least not entirely. Dedicated home consoles do seem to be on the way out, but who really knows?
Consoles are a relic of a time when most people couldn't afford a PC for gaming, and they should have died out years ago. The only reason to own a console now is for its exclusives, which is an artificial way of injecting value into the machine.
"This is the last real console cycle. I don't mean that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo will go bankrupt and shut down - they will not. Each of them will make another console"
So basically, by saying this is the "last real console cycle" he meant this was in no way the last console cycle. Why do people still listen to this guy?
As for his point about switching to mobile platforms, even as tablets, and even android gaming boxes, get stronger, they still don't have the strength for big AAA gaming. They also don't have the consistent build (what works on one might be broken on another). Perhaps most importantly, the crowd he's talking about, the crowd who would buy CoD on their smartphone but not on a console, tends to be very cheap (hence not wanting to buy a console). Would CoD and FIFA really double their sales if they released at their console game price point on mobile devices? Almost certainly not. Even if they cut their prices in half, which probably still wouldn't be enough to get those sales, selling twice as many copies would yield the same amount of money, making it pointless. Realistically, to be competitive and attract those mobile users, they'd need cut prices to down to less than $15, maybe less than $10, at which point they'd need to sell not double, but quintuple the number of copies sold on consoles to make the same money.
Also, I'd like to point out that the PS3 was to the PS2 what the 3DS is to the DS, and yet the PS4 is moving towards PS2 numbers.
This is gonna fail hard as a prediction. The Wii accessed a crowd different than the usual gamer. To most of the industry, it's sucess didn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things. The fact that there would be 260M sales in consoles shows the core gaming market is growing, not declining. Those games wouldn't be as sucessful under those conditions either. If the next GTA was a smartphone or was a low-spec PC game, it would lose most of it's potential - it would no longer be a "console" game. Nobody would be as excited for it, it would never reach the same level of sales. The possible lower price would also lower profits. I don't hate the guy, but I feel like common sense sometimes leaves him.
The impression I'm getting with Pachter so far is, basically, the guy's an analyst the same way Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw is a "respectable gaming journalist", but I kind of figured that out back when NL troll @Pachterkid was still lurking this site.
That said... yeah, Pachter is pretty much like the average Nintendo hater, only using proper grammar, having some knowledge of how economy works, and getting paid for it. Seriously, I can bet my nuts (disclaimer: I have a chestnut tree around my house, so I'm being literal here) that sometime in 2005 or so, Pachter said the Wii would fail just because it's a Nintendo console: ironically, while he said "Nintendo fanboys would buy a box with Nintendo written on it", this analyst would bash anything with the Nintendo name on it. Someone just unearth the 2005 statement, I'm sure it's been a thing!
@Freeon-Leon
He doesn't really.
He gets paid to advise investors on which horses to bet their dough on in the race, and on what they should be expecting companies to do, based on where the money is. Which means he rarely gets Nintendo right.
@AlexSora89 Not really, but he did claim that the last console generation would be the last: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90443-Pachter-This-Is-The-Final-Generation Then this generation was the last, and now it's the next. It's hilarious if you actually look up the things he predicted in the past.
They say a broken clock is right twice a day, but that's still more often than Pachter. Sure he did predict that the Wii U wasn't going to hit its target of 9 million sales, but he made that statement after the Wii U's release, everybody could've told you that.
I skimmed the article, but it seems that this guy is just looking at the current state of what's mainstream, and basing his opinion on that.
That's like looking at One Piece and Naruto, criticize them for being bland because they were ongoing for too long, then claiming the entire anime and manga base will collapse on top of itself because of it. And yes, I've seen people do that.
As for moving to mobile platforms, I can see it happening with so many casuals in the world. It will probably be the dark age of gaming.
Hahaha... I really don't see them ending anytime soon. I also don't know how people can play games on an Android or iOS device. Using a touch screen for a fps or other types of games is absolute crap. Personally what I would love to see happen, but I know will never happen. Is for Microsoft, Sony, & Nintendo get together and make one super awesome powerful console. Then they could split any loss on the hardware between the three of them. This would stop splitting the fan base between systems. Would generate more game sales in general. Wouldn't have to deal with console exclusives and loss of sales as the other fan base doesn't have access to it. More people would be able to play the same game online. Since we wouldn't a fractured environment like we do now, with half the people playing the same game on one console and the other half playing the same game on a different console. I think it would be a win-win for everyone.
@Octane
I guess I owe you some chestnuts then.
Not surprised the article comes from the Escapist, though. It's home to the aforementioned Ben Croshaw's Zero Punctuation and fellow - but ten times more reasonable - Nintendo hater Jim Sterling's Jimquisition.
@Dr_Corndog
That's not entirely true. While I'm generally pro-PC for 3rd party games, there are reasons to go with consoles other than exclusive games. First, there's innovation. You'd never get something like the Wii, Wii U, or 3DS on PC, because a PC is just a rig with a keyboard, or a controller borrowed from a console. Then there's the consistency. My brother built a pretty great gaming rig a few years ago. From the beginning, it had issues running games, not because it couldn't, but because the games were optimized for different hardware or not optimized at all. As I understand it, that's not uncommon for PC's. Then there's price. His gaming rig cost about triple the price of a console, and while it can outdo the PS4, that's still a high price. And finally, there's the convenience. While you can do just about anything with a PC, it generally takes more effort and know-how than plugging in a console and starting a game. With consoles, you don't really have to do anything. With Steam boxes coming out, some of that could change, but I doubt all of it will.
He just wants so badly to be right that mobile is the future. And he's not.
@AmyGrrl Even just moving to a unified platform would help them all. That way you pick which system works best for you as a DVD-esque standard and get the ones with the services, bells, and whistles you like.
If 20 million are playing this game, how many would be playing if you didn't need a console?"
Erm..I got this. 0. Because games don't work on thin air!
@6ch6ris6 LOL what you said. I think he hates the game industry as many times as he predicted it's downfall.
Just put up any article mentioning Pachter in the headline, and you're guaranteed to attract 1000's of clicks. -_- I wish people would stop giving him so much attention... Does anybody honestly care about his opinion anyway, besides news websites looking for traffic?
Buffoonery of the highest order from everybody's favourite Nintendo hating analyst. Not only did he predict this in 2009 , he then contradicts himself during this interview a few seconds later. Also , a drop in 10 million units of hardware ( under 4% ) in total means the end of real conolse gaming ? One of my favourite predictions from him was about the PS4 having "processors capable of rendering games at 240 frames per second"
So there won't be any more consoles apparantly, but he doesn't say what device everyone will be playing on instead. It just seems silly to me. The console market might not grow, but it'll still be there. There's always going to be a market for people that want to play great games that cannot be run on a smartphone, but don't want to invest in an awesome computer.
I've been saying for years that consoles are on their way out. I duuno, seems to make sense to me. the integration of Windows and Xbox, the Steam box rolling out and who knows what Sony can do to integrate their games with any of their other industries. Nintendo will do what they want because they are in the same boat as Citizen Kane and can keep making their own waves in the ocean while they can afford it.
Back when I was starting college (2003) I had a professor who theorized that game design would be a big thing through 2016. I of course was in that program until I married and schools near me didn't offer the program so I switched majors. But in animating and designing character models and environments I always thought his industry insights were very good.
Seriously, were do these so-called Analysts come from? I doubt there is even any way of education to become an "industry analyst". To me it seems that all it takes is to hallucinate stuff and talk doodoo.
Some years ago, they said the PC (gaming) market is dead, now PC games sell more than any other platform. Now they want to make us believe consoles one day will no longer be required.
To be honest, it was many many years ago when I thought to myself: Why are there even consoles when a PC can do the same job? I still don't see an incentive to buy a PS4 or Xbox One, for example. If Nintendo games were on PC, I would only own a PC, I guess (unless Big N has a console with something special to offer).
But it's really easy to realize that this industry analyst doesn't know what he's talking about. He obviously isn't a gamer. Because for a gamer, smartphones and tablets just aren't an alternative. Those platforms are for non-gamers or what some people may call casual-gamers. Even if you ask those people if they play videogames, they surely will respond with "no". Because in their mind they're just playing some stupid app like Flappybirds. Sure, it may pass as a game, but calling it a full videogame is like calling a smart a sports car. Sure, both can bring you from A to B, but what they offer aside from that is very different.
If this Pachter guy knew what he was talking about, he'd also know that gamers will always need a dedicated gaming platform (whether it's a PC or a console, technically both are the same anyway).
@crimsontadpoles Well, smart TVs are getting more powerful all the time (On the computer-end, i think we have all but reached the maximum in visual quality that people can discern by now), at some point they'll reach that critical point where we won't be playing games not on a console connected to a TV, but on the TV itself...
I really hate this guy's guts. Someone who doesn't play video games has no business "predicting" what's going to happen in the industry. Especially someone who is proven wrong on a regular basis.
Same generic analysis every time.
And the whole thing about how we shouldn't have to buy consoles? He makes it sound a chore! I love buying a new console. I know full well if I buy a PC I can find most of the same multi platform games or a decent equivalent. I know I can play games on my phone and a few of them ain't half bad. Point is I don't care, I do partake in both those things but I LIKE having consoles. I enjoy having a machine dedicatedly solely to my games, designed 100% around that purpose (well, for Nintendo at least).
Kindles and other e-readers are super popular right? But you can do that on your phone too, or your PC or tablet. You shouldn't HAVe to carry a separate device around. But they're specialised, designed and optimised around that one single function and that makes them desirable over just using the thing you already have that can do it 'well enough'. Same applies to consoles.
3DS is selling far less because it's not selling to the casuals. Because it's not aimed at them. Because they're gone. They wanted a new fad, they got it, they got bored of it, they moved on. Nobody in their right mind expected the 3DS to outsell the DS. My Mum bought at DS, she'd never have bought a GB, GBC, GBA, PSP, Neo Geo, Vita or 3DS etc but she got caught in the DS fad of Brain Training and such.
The WiiU...well it's a real shame. It should have done better, again not Wii sales (again, my parents own that but would never consider any other system like a GC or PS3 for themselves), but better than it has. That comes down to Nintendo's brand image being far less "cool" and "now" than it's rivals. It's IPs are strong of course, but it's brand is still too family friendly to shift huge units - all consoles are family friendly thanks to the LEGO, Skylander and Disney Infinity games. So it's not even a consideration for most gamers with families now. By selling on that point it just makes it seem like they don't have the rest of the stuff, and then nobody buys that stuff, and then the support for it drops off and they actually don't have it and then people go where that stuff is.
@AlexSora89 I don't think they hate Nintendo, Ben Croshaw makes fun of every game, it's humour, not to be taken seriously. Jim Sterling is more serious, but he's in the same boat; they both give critique when necessary and credit where credit is due.
By the way, the link to Escapist Magazine wasn't on purpose, just the first link I found.
Didn't somewhere in the article technally describe a console? Anyway analysts always see stuff like this but they cant actually predict how people will respond e.g. the market does show that smarthones provide a "gaming platform" but if I had to play Fifa or COD on my smart device the experience would be terrible particularly as my device runs on batteries and we all know batteries suck, also anylasts generally also say people will stop manufacturing tvs and well all just watch on smart devices us that an easy way to make money yes is it a good experience no.
"I have an idea! Companies should give away free consoles so more people can buy games! I'm a genius!" -Michael Pachter
I really hate this guy.
I think consoles will become less important in the next console generation, but I don't think they'll stop selling, I think they'll just fit into a larger platform like what Nintendo is trying to do. And I think after that point the concept of a console generation would start to go away (or at least become less defined) because then there's not much need for upgrades unless you come up with a new hardware gimmick.
What if there was just one console, and it played all the games from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo? What a happy world that would be
I probably should have stopped reading after "Pachter", but kept going. While I do believe that smart phone/tablet games are cutting into the market, I don't see dedicated consoles dying. At this point in time most tablet/smart phone devices wouldn't have enough power to run higher end games. Some games (such as older games ported from previous platforms) also are not well-equipped for a touch screen.
While PCs are certainly a viable platform for a lot of larger games, not everyone has the financial means to buy or build a gaming PC. Also, as others mentioned above, consoles can give more specialized experiences that PCs cannot.
Personally, while I find nothing wrong with touch screen gaming and generally use such games as five-minute timewasters, I still prefer the feel of physical buttons on both consoles and handhelds, as well as the endless combinations possible from pressing multiple buttons at once.
My apologies if a lot of this was already there touched on above; I skimmed the comments, but didn't have time to read everything.
It is kinda dumb though, what's the point of having 2 consoles with similar specs, and the only reason you'd want to buy one over the other is the exclusives! (PC Masterrace)
@BinaryFragger Thank you for the chuckle. 😃
Yeah, I'm also stumped as to why people even listen to Pachter anymore.
I understand what he's saying, but a predicted sales decrease of about 4% is a little too small to make a fuss over. Yeah, I'd like it if I could play everything on one device, but, unlike Pachter, I don't see the console system companies use changing in the next five years.
@6ch6ris6
Could not put it better myself, who is............. there you go forgot his name already.
"BUNKUM"
It's happening the same with photography. Today in a single year people take more pictures than during the whole film photography era. But this is thanks to smartphones. Traditional cameras are dying. In a few years you will only see dedicated cameras in the hands of pros and serious amateurs and maybe some rich guy trying to get attention with an expensive Leica. I doubt companies like Nikon (heard of them millennials?) will be still selling cameras 10 years from now. It's the time of convergence. Music/MP3 players? Nope, smartphones. Radio? Smartphones. GPS? Smartphones. Video players? Smartphones. Consoles... ? You guess it. It's just a matter of time. Sure, of course, dedicated devices are still produced and they will provably always be. But not for the masses anymore. Heck, they still produce cassettes and vinyls and super 8 cinema film or slide photography film. How many of you use any of those?
In some years all most people will have is a smartphone. Not even tablets or computers. You'll connect your smartphone to a monitor or TV to work or edit files or watch a movie or, yes, play a game.
And I'm ok with this. I want my games to be system and media agnostic.
"Michael Pachter"
If that guy earns only a single penny by "analyzing" (lmfao) the video game industry, then I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
While smartphone games could eventually have a larger market share, it's not quite at that point yet. Dedicated consoles have many benefits: For one they are much more powerful. Another is that they have buttons (I love buttons), which make gaming so much easier. I'll finish this up with saying that they also are specifically designed for gaming. Though being a wide sentence, smartphones are designed to be a smartphone. They are not designed for beautiful graphics with an amazing frame rate. That would beat up the poor thing, especially without a proper fan. They are not designed with buttons (again, love buttons) for more accurate, easy-to-hold playing. Unless you get a smart-device designed for playing games (in which case you've basically just bought a handheld), it's just not as good. Convenience is pretty much the only thing going for it.
@mike_intv Ha! I guess that this guy is going to say this every generation. He might get it right sometime! I guess he needs to observe it more before claiming "Consoles are going to be obsolete, like, next gen."
@Haywired
Getting one thing right doesn't disqualify him from being a moron (although I think calling him a moron is being kind), being right about the Wii U being a "failure," doesn't mean his reasoning was right.
so he thinks all the consoles with keep consistent sells for their lifetimes? To the point of both the xbone and ps4 outselling the Wii?
Ha.
So he is saying that the Wii U will last forever....
That's soooo awesome!!!!
Go Wii U 😀
Pachter's predictions will likely come true...like 2 generations after he predicts it will happen. Consoles won't be going anywhere anytime soon. There will be a PS5/Xbox Two/NX generation and a PS6/Xbox Three/NX 2 gerneration. After that, I think Pachter's predictions of "the death of the consoles" will come to fruition.
"The Wii U is going to sell 20 million units compared to 100 million for the Wii. The PlayStation 4 is going to sell 120 million or 130 million - that's great. The Xbox One will sell 100 million to 110 million - that's great. Add it all together and it's 260 million units, maybe, and the last cycle was 270 million."
There is no way in the world Xbox One is going to sell 100 - 110 million units, unless it starts destroying PS4 in sales in North America and the UK. In fact, the Xbox One would probably have to outsell the DS and PS2 in North America and the UK in order to reach LTD of 100+ million, barring some hugely unexpected growth in mainland European sales. Wii U also probably won't sell 20 million unless its successor is pushed back to 2018. I can see PS4 selling 100 million, but 130 million?? No way. In terms of sales, Pachter's Xbox One prediction is 80-90% too high, his Wii U predictions is 30--40% too high, and his PS4 prediction is 20-30% too high..
I find it funny that Pachter believes two consoles this generation will become the 3rd and 5th best selling gaming devices of ALL TIME, but then the moment the PS5 and Xbox Two arrives, there is going to be some kind of massive contraction in the market. The cold reality is, this "contraction" has already happened will continue to happen. But consoles will not disappear in 4-5 years because of this "contraction."
I think that pc's are going to end consoles in ten years. Eventually google and apple are going to be able to bring quality games into the tablets and laptops of gamers because these devices are getting more and more robust and wifi is changing everything about home entertainment. I think that micro and sony will eventually back out of hardware and I think that nintendo will eventually be the remaining gaming console provider because as what Microsoft has recently said nintendo is more of a toy. Nintendo will be able to hold a solid consumer base of kids and families and dedicated gamers like us who love nintendo's culture of gaming.
Pachter? Since when has he been right?! Pfft!
I look forward to the time in the future when you won't an expensive console in order to play the games you want to play, all you'll need is some sort of expensive device on which to play the games that you want to play.
...what?
Good grief, not this clown and his "predictions" again.
The flaw in his logic is the power is needed to play some of the top selling games on other platforms and the WiiU games, while not as graphic intensive, have high production value.
Unless hardware, PC or dedicated console (which is a computer =P ) comes drastically down there will always be a demand for gaming machines.
At worst/best the span of time between console cycles will increase.
Partially true. Consoles will die off in Japan, and they pretty much already have. Consoles are niche in Japan.
On a side note, that gives credence to the idea that NX is an ecosystem.
He said the exact same thing before the Wii came out. Gimme a sec, I'll find the link.
@iflywright I agree with most of what you said. Gaming pc's are becoming increasingly more affordable. Why would someone pay about the same amount for a console that has inferior capabilities? It makes sense.
I don't see how Nintendo wouldn't be affected as well as MS and Sony. Nintendo doesn't have the following they once did. The Nintendo name alone was not enough to sell the Wii U. The company still has its loyal fan base but I don't think that's enough. Core gamers and children are not biting on the brand. I hope the NX can change that.
Can we please address these people correctly. "Soothsayer" not "Analyst".
Its not over till the fat lady sings. So far she hasn't sung her swan song.
It's like he said, the console market isn't done with, it's just going to start slowing down.
There are still music CD's, but how many people buy them in proportion to iTunes downloads?
On the other hand, I do miss the days of game systems that don't need constant firmware updates, and games that don't need patching to be playable.
I already miss the hay-day of physical media - and I don't think it will ever really go away - but when you look at the market I think you can see where it is going.
I get what he's saying in the first half, but I don't see how a 10mil. difference is an indication that "real" consoles are going away. If we're talking dedicated game device they haven't been "real" consoles for close to a decade now.
What I don't get is what he's talking about it the last section. "All you need is a CPU, GPU, storage, controller, and a screen", what the heck does he think is inside a console? Hamsters?
People who won't or can't afford to buy a $399 dedicated console can already play a lot of the same games on PC. A lot of people already do so for that exact same reason. Many of them also had ports on last gen consoles too, giving people 5 different options.
He also seems to miss the fact that the main reason many people can even afford to consistently upgrade their phones is they can basically rent to own it though their service provider. The higher-end phones cost just as much or more than said consoles, and their size and mobility requirement limits their power. It takes multiple cycles for mobile to keep up.
You're not going to get the same power cheaper, even for PC that's a pretty tricky task to pull off. Consoles have nothing to do with what he's talking about, you're not going to magically fit games like GTAV or Black Ops 3 on mobile if they disappear.
In Pachter's ideal world every developer develops big, fantastic games for smartphones in the future. But the sad truth is: Most developers will opt for very simple free-to-play games with microtransactions. Those bring the most money, easy money. I guess there will be many lay-offs in the industry. You already see many developers flocking to the smartphones, that isn't for nothing! Nintendo is the first console manufacturer that will embrace this, most likely with the NX. Everything download, everything of the Pokemon Shuffle/Rumble world variety. A horrifying thought!
I did bother reading the article and I still detest Mr. Pachter immensely. The whole idea of games being on consoles is something that won't simply just go away. Sure, it can evolve into something different but I highly doubt consoles will disappear entirely.
The mobile market is already a controversial subject that involves discussions about greed, micro-transactions or even just poor game design. However, while there are some well made games in that market I feel like the mobile gaming scene could use a clean up. While touchscreens have made mobile gaming feel a lot more advanced than any early black and white 2000s cellphone game ever will, I think that focusing on making better touchscreen mobile games over making people go bankrupt is something that should be seriously considered if mobile gaming is to be taken more seriously.
Also, people will want something that fills a want and consoles will fill that want nicely alongside mobile games. If they want something, they'll find the way to get it regardless of what some people like Mr. Pachter think. Not everyone likes the idea of mobile gaming or they just don't want to feel ripped off. Whether it be on the computer, console systems or mobile, there's a niche to be filled for any gamer and I think limiting it to just smartphones is a foolish idea that leaves people with less choices and more dumbing down of the gaming market as well as a rise on greed (micro-transactions) and gaming not being taken as seriously.
I think this should be taken highly into consideration.
To make his LONG argument short, he just want to play Mario games on PC.. The poor thing!
Geez dropping down from 270 million to 260 million consoles sold, he's right it's all over- the industry won't be able to sustain itself. I'm gonna have to go back to playing with marbles and yo-yo's again
If you look at the trends in the existing generation, you can see that all 3 are moving towards making their consoles more and more "invisible".
Sony has introduced PlayStation now and ideally wants you to be able to play PS games on the cloud through Sony TVs. Microsoft is letting anyone with Windows play Xbox games. Even Nintendo is building an ecosystem. Takeda designed the Wii U to be an invisible "stage hand"
The interesting difference is that while Sony and Microsoft are integrating their gaming systems into their other existing products, Nintendo faces the challenge of having to justify the purchase of their specialised hardware more and more (I think they can). Fascinating to see what they'll come up with.
The end of consoles means the end of Pachter. After that he'll just predict mobile games instead.
"What does this professional industry analyst that regularly gets sought out by the games media and industry for his opinions know that some blinkered internet fanboys don't?", well he predicted all the problems the Wii U would have and why. Perhaps Nintendo could have done with his input.
Completely forgot about this Pachter guy. Oh well, back to obscurity with him.
He could very well be right- but who knows what technology will come up with. Components and production prices seem to be dropping all the time. It's not outside the question that ten years from now we have something that's very, very cool and pretty inexpensive to produce.
Man I wish I could get paid to talk lol
oh "crachter". Call of duty would not suddenly double it's user base if people didn't have to buy a console.
YES more people are using mobile devices (which do more than play games) to play games, the majority of them probably never owned a console or never planned on owning a console, and the types of games they play are not COD. To remove the console from the equation would mean that mobile devices are 1) powerful enough to play AAA games, 2) function well enough to give the same experience as a console, errr NO.
There's one more aspect he's not thinking through, most mobile games are not processor heavy, they can be played on all/most mobile devices, once we move away from that and into AAA power hungry games, well they may be able to run on the newest mobile devices, but what about the 100's of millions of people who don't have the latest iPhone/Android device? or the games that come out the following year? the market would be soo disjointed that you'd have no clue which games you could actually play until you download them and realize you can't, which means people would need to upgrade almost yearly to reap the rewards of the most visually stunning mobile games. which in turn means spending more $ than your average 5+year lifecycle console no? I know I'm comparing mobile to stationary devices, but Damien already makes the point that set top box devices aren't very useful or hot sellers, so that conversation is basically moot. You kinda do need the cloud, Pachter smokes a little too much.
@Soren you're comment made my day
More Deja Vu
It should be considered criminal, dubious, misleading, and potential fraud that he thinks the Wii U will move 10,000,000 more units in what most people think the system is only around for two more years at best.
And I say this as a Nintendo fan.
I know I'm late to the party, but can SOMEBODY post the meme of Robert Downey Jr. rolling his eyes?
@Haywired He originally predicted the WiiU would sell 50 million systems. Is this guy supposed to be praised/apologised to for predicting both high and low sales and then getting one of them right?
I don't own a cell phone and never will...I hate them, therefore I would never play a game on them. For PC games, I find it difficult for myself to find the right controller and to actually getting into playing a game on a PC screen...for some reason, doesn't entice me. I love Nintendo and Sony, and will continue to get their consoles...even if they went to full digital (as long as you can play them without having to always be connected to the internet). I have many games downloaded on the PS3, PS4, Wii and Wii U, but I would love having them as an actual disc instead...call me old school, but I loved having a console with all of the games in a plastic or cardboard box.
What I'm saying, is that I don't see it ending for a while. I eventually see everything going to digital (games and movies), but how long would it last. You end up paying full price for a game or movie, to not like it, pay all that money, just to delete it. At least with retail games and movies, you can trade it or sell it for money if you don't like it.
@stipey
I dislike him too, but he seems pretty much spot on everything here.
If anything, Nintendo would benefit, maybe the most of this change, if only they could execute a little better.
Their games are simply amazing, yet most people don't even know of them.
A few days ago, I spoke to some people where I am from, who either own PS4 or XBone.
4 people who play a lot of games. Only 1 of them knew of the Metal Gear series.
So basically, what I'm saying is, and what Pachter is saying, for us who sit here and comment on games we love, its easy to forget that we are a small percentage of gamers out there.
We might be some of the more dedicated ones, some of us, not even me, to be honest, but you get my point.
So if now, 10 milion has a chance to play Mario Kart 8, how many more do you think would play it if they could get the experience without owning a console?
Honestly, I'd say about EVERY one, that I show Mario Kart, or any other great Nintendo title love it. They usually want to get a console, the thing is, like with everything sales, finishing that funnel on the other side is difficult if it means paying more than around 100 bucks.
If the risk gets smaller, more people take it.
Just look at microtransactions...
"Console games shouldn't require a console"
Boo! throws rotten tomato
@MIDP
No, that's not what he's saying at all.
First off, he seems to still think "console" means a device that only plays games and nothing else. Consoles haven't been that for a long time, and there's nothing stopping consoles from becoming as multifaceted as any smart device. Them going away is a moot point.
Finally, what he's getting at is more or less like with smart devices or Steam Machines, they all run on the same core architecture but can be scaled up or down and made by anybody. In other words, closed vs. open platform. He's suggesting making AAA "console games", many of which aren't console exclusive to begin with, scaled down to high-end smart devices or lower and low-end PCs.
Most games can and already do what he's suggesting, they just all can't scale like Minecraft. I like Pachter, but he's nuts if he thinks its realistic. If it were, wouldn't most multiplat games be scaled down even more than they already are on PC? GTA V for example asks for just a Core2Quad, an early 2006 CPU.
@6ch6ris6 Me too. This guy is a joke. I remember reading a 2 page article when the Wii, 360 and PS3 came out declaring that would be the last console cycle.
@KingofSaiyans what if the nx plays mobile games? think about it. a console that has it's own dedicated games, and can play any mobile app. thatwould be perfect for everyone
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