Update:
As many likely anticipated, there was no mention of Nintendo in the Apple TV segment of the Special Event stream. Some gaming was referenced, but it wasn't the prominent feature of the segment. For those of you opposed to the idea of Nintendo and Apple TV, breathe easy.
Original Article:
There's an Apple 'Special Event' today, which is a fairly regular occurrence in which the tech giant unveils its latest iterations on various products. There are the usual rumours about new iPhone models and more, yet this time there are mumblings it could be an important event for gamers; some are even speculating aloud whether Nintendo will be involved.
This is based on industry whispers that a new Apple TV set-top box will be unveiled, and circumstantial evidence that it'll have a greater focus on gaming. Sources apparently briefed on a new Apple TV refer to a remote that'll also function as a controller, and a price double that of current Apple TV systems but still much cheaper than current home consoles - about $150.
Android-based gaming systems have come and gone with little success, but it's been a long-held belief that if Apple were to step up its efforts in living room gaming it could change the industry. It's the worlds most powerful technology company, after all.
This talk of a games-focused Apple TV originated with anonymous sources talking to The New York Times, with Metro since referring to the controller having buttons and a touch screen, clearly tying it to a GamePad-style approach. It's notable that The New York Times doesn't include this description, though.
There are also references regarding Nintendo's resistance to confirming a platform for Pikmin 4, despite it being "very close to completion", as some evidence of a possible Nintendo tie-in with this Apple TV, along with the company's work with DeNA on moving into the smart device arena. Apple TV may not be a smart device in the typical sense, but is iOS based. There's also debate that Nintendo and Apple would be a good fit, as both target the more 'casual' end of the market, while the triple-A market typified by the PS4 and Xbox One is focused on experiences driven by more powerful technology.
It's all loose talk, ultimately, but is the basis for an interesting debate. This writer thinks it's too early for this to be a possibility, as a move like this would possibly come if Nintendo struggles with its next generation of hardware. There's also the valuable lesson, however, that we never truly know what's coming next from the big N.
In any case, the Apple event is today at 10am Pacific / 1pm Eastern / 6pm UK / 7pm CET, and will be streamed here.
Are these rumours and speculation related to Nintendo on Apple TV nonsense, or do you think it's possible? Speculate away until the event goes down later today!
[source nytimes.com, via metro.co.uk]
Comments 88
Not sure how I feel about this
Total nonsense.
I kinda hope the new Apple TV has gaming support for IOS titles, I have several that I'd like to play on a bigger screen (Zen Pinball and Pinball Arcade, Pac-Man Championship Edition DX + , Horizon Chase and a few more.
Nintendo will release specific games for smartphones, games that have nothing to do with homeconsole games or 3DS.
So... why not see those games come to Apple TV ? As games on iPhone and iPad will be compatible with Apple TV, this would make total sense.
Is it me or is there zero substance to this? I certainly couldn't find anything in the article that would remotely suggest such a team-up (which is more than fine by me).
There's no way we're getting a numbered title in a main Nintendo series on iOS. Forget about this scaremongering.
I will never touch apple even if it has Nintendo.
Makes 100% sense for Nintendo to do this. People will (already are) moan that it's "Apple " but then if it was on an Android device the same people would be moaning as people just love to moan.
It won't be happening though, makes too much sense for Nintendo.
The trouble with rumours is that anyone can make up something, stick it on a few forums then sit and watch as gullible people take it as fact and spread it across the internet.
Rumours also rarely give any real substantial evidence or sources as of course, how can they when it's made up? So to compensate they use things such as "an insider has informed me..." but again always so vague with exact details.
@ricklongo I also fail to see the substance here. This article sounds like the "Homer the Vigilante" episode of The Simpsons, where Chief Wiggum moves the dots around on the map to form an arrow pointing at the police station.
Very much possible. But consider the options with or without nintendo as a partner.
First, a new apple tv is very likely. It will have an app store ecosystem along with it as well. Even if it’s not tailored towards games, it will be in the gaming space and eat away market share from the known names now. If nintendo doesn’t partner, they risk being perceived as a simple alternative which can’t hold against a marketing powerhouse like apple.
Second, if nintendo does partner, they would not miss the boat on a new device category again. There are few things to lose for this partnership, and someone must have done the math, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be true.
I’m all in for the concept. All anecdotal evidence points towards apple embracing gaming as an activity within their ecosystem more. Nintendo on board would be a big plus for both of these companies. Waiting to see if your next hardware fails is like waiting to see when it fails - a partnership will be a catalyst for the next game devices, not an obstruction, precisely as nintendo has told us they were going to approach it.
The pikmin 4 one is more speculative than educated guesses though. I expect it to be a wii U thing unless nintendo tells me otherwise.
The only thing that can be considered proof for this is the GamePad-like described controller, and it won't be the first thing Apple copied. The iPhone 6 has the exact same outer design as a 3-4 year old HTC phone.
I personally don't like Apple. I admit our iPad is handy, but thank god we didn't have to pay for it (comes with my dads job), because, apart from Apple TV apparently, Apple is always very overpriced and limited in its functionality compared to its competition (Android, Windows, etc). I don't think this is true at all. Of course it's possible, but I don't believe it.
If it is true though, I'm going to be so dissapointed. My history with Apple isn't exactly positive, and I don't want to be required to buy Apple products for my Nintendo games.
This would be insane if it happened. Insane.
Doesn't match Nintendo except for the desperate nature of their console situation, but reliable rumors point to Apple pushing Apple TV as a strong gaming option. Very unlike Apple. It has been assumed it would be for casual gaming (and probably is) as it can't compete with the core gamer space, but some deal with Nintendo would certainly explain their confidence.
Still, I hold this at an extremely low (to almost zero) likelihood. Only my dream of its possibility make me give it a chance. Not much else holds it up to serious scrutiny.
@DarthNocturnal
Pretty sure Android will NOT be included in a situation involving Nintendo and Apple TV.
I'm hoping for nothing more than a reveal of the Nintendo/DeNA partnership being exclusive to Apple/iOS/Apple TV.
I don't want to see Virtual Console coming to Apple TV or, dread the thought, a merger of Wii U / Apple TV which is the far fetched end of this rumour.
@aaronsullivan - "This would be insane if it happened. Insane."
Which part is insane?
Apple will be unveiling a new Apple TV today, that is almost as given as given can get. It will be much more integrated w/ iOS than the previous "hobby" model. It will play games on TV. Nintnedo/GameFreak just pushed Pokemon Shuffle onto the "app" market. Apple TV will therefore likely play Pokemon Shuffle.
I'd say it's more likely a done deal than not that some Nintendo property will wind up being playable on Apple TV. I highly doubt it would be Pikmin 4, but it could very well be the 4th game in the Pikmin series called Pikmin Sim or something. I always wanted a Pikmin sim similar to Animal Crossing but w/ Pikmin only, no spacemen, just survive and multiply. Maybe more like Spore than AC. Skylanders has one, it's ok.
Well I thought Nintendo would go all android on us which would have been cool with me but if they go to Apple then that would be cool too.
I'm just gonna go with the games man , I'm don't really have loyalty to console manufacturers.
Give me good games on any system and I'll buy it.
Maybe the rumour is really just all about a partnership for an HD version of this TV:
@erv How would this be a good thing for Nintendo? A move to partner with Apple would surely hurt it's handheld console division in which Nintendo still remains strong in. Also this would also almost certainly kill the NX before it even gets announced.
Finally most people who play on mobile devices, which the Apple TV is in the same category as, don't actually care who makes the games. Nintendo's name wouldn't mean anything. If it's not free to play Angry Birds or Flappy Birds type games or what ever is the in thing at that precious moment in time, they don't care. Brand loyalty is none existent.
Not an Apple fan at all. I hope Nintendo stays far away from them.
It would be really smart of Nintendo to reveal their first smartphone game at this event. Apple would love to have it happen at their event, and the audience for this will be so much bigger than any Nintendo Direct ever, so Nintendo would benefit hugely too.
This is obviously false. I am not a big fan of Apple and the locked in ecosystem. Nintendo would partner with this slime vs. Sony back in the day. Ridiculous.
On the rumours of a Wiimote-like controller, or at least one that has motion control. If that's the case, it could mean lots of games made for one, could also work on the other (on a game design/conceptual level). I.e. lots of games "Coming to Apple TV and WiiU". Which may or may not be a good thing depending on how it pans out and your views on motion control.
Whilst it makes sense for Nintendo to put their games on it, Apple TV could be a direct competitor to NX in the scenario where NX is a FireTV-like set top box console. So I'm very much skeptical that this is more than just the guys at Nintendo Life wanting to write about Apple and needing an excuse
Pure speculation...
I think if Nintendo backed this before NX it will cut sales of the NX. People will see it as Nintendo wanting to abandon the console biz.
With the NX Nintendo has to woo the lapsed Nintendo gamer that the Wii scared off, NX needs a Wii less name and clear support/dedication from nintendo
@FragRed unless you missed it, nintendo is developing for smart devices already. But apple tv, by no means, equals mobile. Far from it - developers with ios experience could approach it with a mindset of ios development and fail miserably on the big screen. Nintendo doesn’t fail on the big screen.
It definitely would not hurt their handheld business. Not getting involved would hurt a lot for general business though. And being perceived as a primary parter, as a “better than the rest of them” partner, in an ecosystem such as apple’s, that is a win.
I'm not an Apple Fan - I hope Nintendo stays well away from them. . .
I've always dreamed about a cooperation between Nintendo and Apple
Love Apple, love Nintendo. They both march to their own drummer and seem to value innovation over the straight profit motive. I did hear on NPR yesterday that the new Apple TV was going to roll in gaming (or more so than the current version). I think a Nintendo/Apple collaboration, though not likely, would be really exciting.
Really doubt for this one to be true. Not a huge Apple fan outside of my 6 year old ipod, so this would not be great news. My wife's iPhone normally is asking for me to throw it into the wall to be quiet and can't hold a charge to save its life.
IOS game, yeah, it's certain with DeNA partnership. Apple TV? I doubt it. I know Apple TV can already stream game from iOS devices, but for Apple TV to work standalone like game console means Apple need to offer various storage option for their Apple TV, which could increase the price significantly, not to mention that it won't support external storage if it used iOS.
With Nintendo jumping into mobile gaming and Apple wanting to beef up their gaming division as well, it makes complete sense. Would help both companies immensely. I'm not against a partnership at all, even if I'm not a fan of Apple.
Nintendo simply better not be working for a potential competitor.
Anyway, good for Apple if they're putting more effort toward gaming. Though, I think I would still prefer the Shield Console since NVIDIA has been making actual efforts to get AAA games on Android.
@Gauchorino Haha, I found that far funnier than I should have. Nice.
@ricklongo Its not just you. The fact that this article even exists is pretty laughable.
@AVahne potential competitor? Apple is dominating the mobile gaming market. If you can't beat them, join them.
Short and sweet: no. Not going to happen now (or ever) because Apple and Nintendo have diametrically opposing interests and business models
Well, excuuuse me—while I call bush*t on this rumour.
@Mk_II How so? Nintendo games on Apple devices are going to happen. We know that.
Pikmin 4? No. I just can't see Nintendo doing that especially since it flies in the face of their core games not being on non-Nintendo hardware. However, I could see Nintendo revealing their first DeNA game at Apple's event. More than likely a timed exclusive to all iOS devices (you know, since they're revealing more than just the Apple TV today) the hook to sell the Apple TV is you get the game free if you buy an Apple TV unit. I'm not into Apple products, sans my Mac that I use for work, and I surely don't need another device taking up more HDMI space, but it would be a smart move, given the popularity of Apple and it's built-in, extremely loyal audience.
I love Apple and an Apple/Nintendo partnership would be a dream but I just dont think its very likely, both companies are very similar in a lot of ways (which is what draws me to them). They both like making money on their hardware and they both like to have a lot more control over their 'ecosystem' than is maybe healthy albeit for different reasons.
LOL, the Apple hate in this comment section is ridiculous.... and we moan about the console wars nonsense. Laughable.
We obviously won't be seeing big Nintendo games on any other device. I wonder what this mysterious partnership will hold for Nintendo, though... that is, if the rumor is true. As long as I don't have play full-fledged Nintendo games on phones, I'm good.
Yes, I'm well aware of Apples overpriced devices, so don't attack me
@ manu0 : Nintendo is a creator of original content - a rare breed in today's marketplace! - and for various reasons, both technical and financial, their output is firmly tied to their own dedicated hardware. This also results in a relatively high margin on the games they sell. They have no interest in sharing that revenue stream with a third-party app store. Never mind the negative impact it would have on their hardware sales.
Apple just wants a finger in everyone's pie by delivering any content thru their devices. See iTunes - it makes millions selling music but it has never produced an album or launched an artist.
Please no. Stay away from Apple, Nintendo!
What??
@Mk_II What are you trying to tell me? We KNOW Nintendo games on Apple devices WILL happen THIS FALL.
Besides, I would consider Apple's technical masterpieces "original content". It's takes a lot of creativity and ideas to create those.
Nintendo has many, many software masterpieces, but hardware masterpieces? I can't think of any.
If it is true, I hope it's not exclusive or at least only a timed exclusive. I like apple and Android bit find Android to be more flexible and the accessories to be less expensive
@ikki5
You and me both!
Same goes for Android!
More concerned about watchOS 2.
@Byuu I agree
The concept of an Apple microconsole really interests me. I have an OUYA, which I have a good bit of fun with, but it hardly swayed rhe masses, which is disappointing. Hopefully the power of Apple would being more people to microconsoles. Because they're Apple and people don't need a reason to buy them.
Apple did patented a home button/analog stick a while back.So itt could be a ipod that is for games could happen also a iphone.
My idea is apple tv , ipod touch, iphone, ipad cross buy and play system where they all play the same games
Also, an anonymous source told me that Nintendo just sold the rights to Mario to Microsoft, and that Pokémon will henceforth be a Playstation exclusive.
Hate Apple, overpriced sheeple devices (except their computers, loads of my graphic designer buddies swear by them) but tbh, this would be a dream come through for both companies at this big event.
But I doubt it.
@rjejr The ability to play an iPhone app on Apple TV isn't insane but what is being suggested by this and the rumors is much more.
I actually think Nintendo content on Apple devices would be a good match up and would love to see their engineers get together on hardware as they have different strengths. It's just that they aren't in sync with strategies at all, IMO.
Sounds more like stuff someone pulled out of their arse.
@aaronsullivan Thanks for the reminder, though none of my browsers support the live stream. I'll be back after I catch up w/ the news.
@rjejr
iPad Pro right now. Go to macrumors.com for live updates just not video.
@DarthNocturnal
Probably an hour and a half.
If you are an artist get out your wallet.
@aaronsullivan iPad Surface Pro. I'm watching the bloggers on Verge, they're all a bunch of immature mockers and I don't drink the Kool Aid. Lots of funny comments about Jobs rolling over in his grave when the stylus was announced. No sandpaper comments though.
@DarthNocturnal I think it's over after "one more thing". I'll let you know if Nintendo gets mentioned, though I highly doubt it, unless they want to come out and surrender like MS and Adobe. .
@aaronsullivan "If you are an artist get out your wallet."
The price of the pencil makes me feel good about maybe getting Lego Dimensions.
@rjejr
The problem with the comparison is the apps. After all this time with stylus on Surface and Samsung phablets. The drawing apps on iPad have had the most interest. Surface apps generally are just the desktop versions which can be awesome. The apps shown already show a bunch of fresh approaches with huge attention to the actual product it's running on. Why? Well, it's on an iPad and that's still where the exciting new app development remains. When you get into some categories (medical, art, music) it's really apparent.
I would like to say this would never happen, but after the passing of Mr Iwata, anything is possible. I still say this is unlikely, but perhaps Nintendo's first iOS game could be revealed as part of this Apple TV thing?
@rjejr
lol about dimensions. I've been waiting a long time for this almost jumping on a few other products so I think I'm going for it. Apple TV is about to be revealed, btw.
Guess it was lies
@rjejr
@readyletsgo
Well, Rayman Adventures will be interesting to see in a minute hopefully
@DarthNocturnal FYI - touchscreen on the controller to play games like PS4 controller, not Gamepad.
If Nintendo would cooperate with Aple in making a gaming platform together I would most likely ..... stop using Nintendo Products which were made together with Aple ....
I really don't like Aple and how they do business. Their products are always extremely overpriced while not really anything better than the competition.
@aaronsullivan I'm going to let you make a joke about Beat Sports, too low hanging fruit for me.
Nothing to see here.... Apple too exclusive for the stream to be viewable
@rjejr
It's fascinating to me that Harmonix was probably asked to make a launch title of sorts. (Obviously "Wii Sports" plus rock band). Also games syncing across your phone and Apple TV if developers want is nice. Word that gaming would be the BIG thing about Apple TV was overblown and, yeah, no Nintendo... yet.
It's worth noting for those not seeing it yet that the remote does have accelerometer and gyroscope features and has some physical buttons along with sliding touch surface. No gamepad and I don't know how accessible the physical buttons are for games as they are important buttons for other features.
However, I saw that some games might require a bluetooth controller if the developer wants. Transistor for instance says a controller is optional. So, the potential is there to support a great deal of games with a traditional experience.
It's an also feature, though. Not a primary one.
Not interested in the phone, though if Nintneod wants to learn anything that 32GB Apple TV - same GB as Wii U - is $149, 64GB - twice what Wii U has - is $199. I'd be ok w/ a $199 Wii U, maybe somebody would buy them.
One thing I really hope Nitnedo learns - don't make more OS w/ NX, Apple now has 4 ecosystems - let handheld and home play nice together.
@rjejr
I can't wait to hear about Minecraft availability on Apple TV. What will Microsoft do with that? Worth noting that Microsoft was all over supporting Office on the iPad Pro and the stylus, but Apple TV is very competitive with XBox One in terms of features for some people (not at core gaming really).
@aaronsullivan I say Fire TV 2 comes out soon and betters this. Not in Apple land, but in reality for people who want to causally game on their tvs. Fire Phone is no more, that opens up resources for Fire TV 2 game and hardware development.
I did see a lot of screen shots of Game of Thrones - can't advertise HBO w/o GoT, which Wii U still doesn't have - but now that you mention it no Minecraft. That has always been front and center on the Fire TV page. Strange omission.
http://smile.amazon.com/Amazon-Gamers-Bundle-Controller-cable/dp/B00WTHMUXW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441824323&sr=8-1&keywords=fire+tv+gamer
If it comes to Apple tv it will also come to Android TV. The Apple TV won't be able to do what the Nvidia Shield TV can already do, and that is stream pc games to the device and play on TV.
Well one thing is for sure. If this happens we will never see a physical game release again. I will start hoarding my 3DS games and accessories
I just wish Nintendo would do this streaming TV thing on their own.
@FragRed I'm not so sure how much longer handheld gaming will remain Nintendo's bread&butter. Handheld gaming isn't what it used to be for obvious reason's. 3ds will probably never reach the install base that the DS had. With smartphone/ tablet gaming continuing to pull in younger gamers, all that's left is the generations of older gamers that grew up playing the GB,GG,GBA, and the DS. It's a shrinking market for dedicated handheld systems. I wouldn't be surprised if nintendo's next handheld is their last. It pains me to think that though.
@rjejr
apple really only has 2 ecosystems... devices that run OSX and devices that run iOS.... Thats why they can do what they do so seamlessly... I hope Nintendo can somewhat replicate the environment that apple has facilitated for developers. It would be great if the next handheld was supported for 5 years upon iterations... meaning... apple's iOS still runs on iphone 4s. that was years ago... many apps work across multiple iterations of the same hardware...
How great would it be if developers could just make games and release it across all devices (3DS and n3DS and NX handheld just as an example... ) without splitting the install base with new hardware... xenoblade is only on n3DS... but imagine a new Nintendo ecosystem that would be like apple's ... new and old devices running the same OS and using the same development tools... games could be beckwards compatible rather than the device.
Damn I didn't realise about the AirPlay streaming for games. Gotta try playing Pinball Arcade on my partners AppleTV tomorrow. Even though I'm already having a Mac Mini connected to my TV for films the game streaming thing is tempting considering how cheap the low-end AppleTV is. I have a Horipad already which works great with RYPE 1&2 and the new Geometry Wars game. Just have to see how the streaming works.
Having tried streaming it leaves a lot to be desired. For classic arcade games and stuff like Pinball Arcade it's just as bad as connecting using an HDMI adapter. Unless the content is optimised for external displays the split-second lag on the external display is very noticeable. Geometry Wars3 was playable, but I expect the only game in town will be apps that run natively on tvOS or have been tweaked for external output rather than iOS mirroring.
@Maggots pretty sure that will be a big focus with NX, it has to be.
I don't see why Nintendo would really need to pair up with Apple to do this.. they could just make their own 3DS TV or something..
@Grez
I sure hope so...
@Platina
Actually if both handheld NX and NX home console both had the same wii U wifi streaming chips ... there shouldn't be any reason why either device couldn't stream to the other. Stream handheld to TV and TV to handheld with ZERO latency... it's still something that hasn't been perfected yet.
The new Apple TV remote handles like a wii mote. There was a demo of them playing a wifi sports style title with it.
Jesus mother of God, all these years the same stupid rumors over and over again but worse that there are people that are actually believed something that stupid will be true?!
what the hell is wrong with you?! really? aren't you guys tired of these "NINTENDOAPPLEKAZUAL" BS?! It has been almost 10 years!!! for christ's sake STOP POSTING EVERY STUPID RUMOR WITHOUT LOGIC AS NEWS!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Some people want so desperately to see Nintendo losing all dignity by jumping in the Apple/Facebook/Google bed, its just laughable!
Well if Nintendo was going to transition away from making consoles this would be a neat solution. After all their existing controllers are all Bluetooth, so all they'd need to do is port games from Wii/Wii U to tvOS; might not even need any mods to the controllers.
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